they no longer use the original 70s-era TOW
the TOW-2B is a much newer weapon, having been developed in the 2000s
its now a wireless weapon that uses a radio uplink, allowing it to be fired over water or vegetation that could tangle the wires
and has a fly-over mode to attack thinner top armor
Not bad, but not a USAF level of gap. The big limiter is not being able to fire on the move, which is an issue pretty much everyone has. If they could get that working reliably, it would be a big shift upwards in the Bradley's capability, alongside the HMMVW mounts we've seen Ukraine using.
>its now a wireless weapon that uses a radio uplink, allowing it to be fired over water or vegetation that could tangle the wires
Do you know if the new TOW missile fixed the problem with firing from a slope?
I have wondered why the Luftwaffe didn't take a fuckhuge rocket like a double payload buzzbomb and launch it from a bomber with wire guidance into the allied bomber boxes. Seems like they would have had the technology for it
Old =/= bad
I know the DoD is hankering to give Raytheon another trillion for a new ATGM but there is nothing wrong with the TOW. The biggest drawbacks is has is it's not fire & forget and the wires can be an issue for choppers when fired across valleys . The biggest pro is because it's wire guided and human aimed countermeasures are mostly ineffective, even if you pop smoke the operator has a pretty good idea where you are and it can't be jammed.
Next gen ATGMs will all be fire and forget and likely have pop-up search modes where you don't need LOS to engage, this will be better but the TOW still works fine.
>can't be jammed.
The original TOW (and variants up to -D, AKA “TOW2”) can be misdirected by IR dazzlers (Shtora-1, the “evil red eyes” on either side of the gun on Russian tanks). That said such countermeasure systems are not perfect at triggering and since later versions of the TOW missile use a pattern that can’t be known by the defending tank, they’re much less useful if not useless right now.
>play Warthunder >first cruise control speed is 5 km/h, can shoot TOW >second cruise control speed is just too fast to keep the launcher raised >reverse speed allows you to keep the TOW raised
I fucking hate gaijin for "balancing" the Bradley like this. But their BMP-2M wunderwaffe is fine with fire on the move 1200mm pen tandem atgms
https://i.imgur.com/kzVd3w3.png
Does anyone have more pictures of the Bradley without the side plates? Those are the rarest pictures and you can really look at the shape of it without them.
that's because it's the M2/M2A1 Bradley
M2A2 and on have the side plates and front plate for extra protection vs 30mm
>I fucking hate gaijin for "balancing" the Bradley like this. But their BMP-2M wunderwaffe is fine with fire on the move 1200mm pen tandem atgms
Chill. Warthunder is the only place where Russian equipment performs as advertised. Let them have it.
>No
Interesting, I mean look at the M2A1 Bradley in this one
https://i.imgur.com/XZI3R9N.jpg
Is there a difference between the chassis of the Bradley between the M2 and M2A1? Seems one is smaller at the top than the other.
and the one here
https://i.imgur.com/kzVd3w3.png
Does anyone have more pictures of the Bradley without the side plates? Those are the rarest pictures and you can really look at the shape of it without them.
and the A1 one looks more sloped at the sides on top.
Dude there's nothing else if you want a semi-realistic PvP tank game rn >Steel Beasts: Dead, full of elitist 40 year olds >WoT: Don't make me laugh >Armored Warfare: Dead, Russian P2W turbo wank >GHPC: Not multiplayer, still in pre-alpha
Be glad you never played back in like the 2012-2013 beta days when yak3-5s flew like literal UFOs and didn’t trigger cannon rounds hitting the wood sections of the airframe
When I finally got the LAV-AD it's the most fun I've had in War Thunder in a while. Bigger BRRRRTTTT that can actually kill most tanks from the side and stingers that sometimes work.
they opened the flood gates to late cold war equipment
i played war thunder from the beginning and remember the developers constantly saying they would not add equipment made after the korean war
war thunder went from comfy to retarded
Does anyone have more pictures of the Bradley without the side plates? Those are the rarest pictures and you can really look at the shape of it without them.
the TOW was actually an afterthought that was hastily bolted on when they realized they wouldn't get funded unless the brad could fire missiles too. that's why it's in that retarded pod and the reload sequence looks like some serious dogfuck nonsense. still, one of the few american-made vehicles of that era that can actually fired ATGM's and hit something. bizarre, tragic, sad, and yet...just effective enough to be worth the money. the story of the USA MIC in a nutshell
I actually have read several books about the Bradley's development, you watched an insane man's schizoid rantings and accepted it unquestioningly like a midwit.
I assume you're talking about Desert Storm, and I've only ever found evidence of Bradleys having the most kills of armored vehicles in general, as opposed to tanks specifically
I think we should put ATGMs on more things >Take Falcon style unmanned turret >Fill up all that lost turret width with ATGMs >Tank with 10 ATGMs in addition to its main gun
Probably wouldn’t carry reloads but I doubt you need reloads when you have ten ATGMs and a 120mm gun.
Looking more at it it seems without the armor plates on the sides the Bradley has two different looking sides. The left and right side of the Bradley look different from each other. Is that because of the firing ports?
Yeah I only found that out now about the Bradley since its usually covered with the side plates. I wonder if the turretless Bradley APC is the same like this.
Literally the second line in the M2 link anon posted earlier is "Its two-man turret was offset to the right to maximize the room in the passenger compartment, which held six dismounts."
is this some armatard crap?
Pls take your meds
Isn't the TOW kinda old for a ATGM
they no longer use the original 70s-era TOW
the TOW-2B is a much newer weapon, having been developed in the 2000s
its now a wireless weapon that uses a radio uplink, allowing it to be fired over water or vegetation that could tangle the wires
and has a fly-over mode to attack thinner top armor
Ah I see thats much better. How does it compare to the other 2000s+ ATGMs
Not bad, but not a USAF level of gap. The big limiter is not being able to fire on the move, which is an issue pretty much everyone has. If they could get that working reliably, it would be a big shift upwards in the Bradley's capability, alongside the HMMVW mounts we've seen Ukraine using.
>its now a wireless weapon that uses a radio uplink, allowing it to be fired over water or vegetation that could tangle the wires
Do you know if the new TOW missile fixed the problem with firing from a slope?
I have wondered why the Luftwaffe didn't take a fuckhuge rocket like a double payload buzzbomb and launch it from a bomber with wire guidance into the allied bomber boxes. Seems like they would have had the technology for it
Old =/= bad
I know the DoD is hankering to give Raytheon another trillion for a new ATGM but there is nothing wrong with the TOW. The biggest drawbacks is has is it's not fire & forget and the wires can be an issue for choppers when fired across valleys . The biggest pro is because it's wire guided and human aimed countermeasures are mostly ineffective, even if you pop smoke the operator has a pretty good idea where you are and it can't be jammed.
Next gen ATGMs will all be fire and forget and likely have pop-up search modes where you don't need LOS to engage, this will be better but the TOW still works fine.
>can't be jammed.
The original TOW (and variants up to -D, AKA “TOW2”) can be misdirected by IR dazzlers (Shtora-1, the “evil red eyes” on either side of the gun on Russian tanks). That said such countermeasure systems are not perfect at triggering and since later versions of the TOW missile use a pattern that can’t be known by the defending tank, they’re much less useful if not useless right now.
Shtora is arguably worse than useless because it's replacing two cheek ERA blocks. T-90S doesn't have Shtora and is better off for it.
I think they pretty much sent all the older TOWs to Syria where they've been very effective.
>Isn't the TOW kinda old for a ATGM
it has enough HE to blow a hole through any tank in the world
I have pissed on the tracks of that exact vehicle.
Kek my bro, are you a Warthunder player?
That shit makes me seethe
>play Warthunder
>first cruise control speed is 5 km/h, can shoot TOW
>second cruise control speed is just too fast to keep the launcher raised
>reverse speed allows you to keep the TOW raised
I fucking hate gaijin for "balancing" the Bradley like this. But their BMP-2M wunderwaffe is fine with fire on the move 1200mm pen tandem atgms
that's because it's the M2/M2A1 Bradley
M2A2 and on have the side plates and front plate for extra protection vs 30mm
>I fucking hate gaijin for "balancing" the Bradley like this. But their BMP-2M wunderwaffe is fine with fire on the move 1200mm pen tandem atgms
Chill. Warthunder is the only place where Russian equipment performs as advertised. Let them have it.
>russian equipment works as advertised
>Vikhrs have an airburst mode and are one of the deadliest a2a missiles in the game
correction: WT is the game where russians get to pretend their military isnt a joke
No, AFAIK.
>No
Interesting, I mean look at the M2A1 Bradley in this one
and the one here
and the A1 one looks more sloped at the sides on top.
Is there a difference between the chassis of the Bradley between the M2 and M2A1? Seems one is smaller at the top than the other.
nope: http://afvdatabase.com/usa/m2bradley.html
http://afvdatabase.com/usa/m3bradley.html
imagine playing warthunder
the entire game is just zigger cope
Dude there's nothing else if you want a semi-realistic PvP tank game rn
>Steel Beasts: Dead, full of elitist 40 year olds
>WoT: Don't make me laugh
>Armored Warfare: Dead, Russian P2W turbo wank
>GHPC: Not multiplayer, still in pre-alpha
It's going to be GHPC when they finally fucking finish it. But agreed
I hate germany mains and want them to suffer terribly. Land sea or air, they all get the 120mm SAP.
Be glad you never played back in like the 2012-2013 beta days when yak3-5s flew like literal UFOs and didn’t trigger cannon rounds hitting the wood sections of the airframe
>playing war thunder post-2016
lol
lmao even
what happened in 2016?
I really want to like the m163 but the fire control is ass until you get used to it
When I finally got the LAV-AD it's the most fun I've had in War Thunder in a while. Bigger BRRRRTTTT that can actually kill most tanks from the side and stingers that sometimes work.
they opened the flood gates to late cold war equipment
i played war thunder from the beginning and remember the developers constantly saying they would not add equipment made after the korean war
war thunder went from comfy to retarded
Does anyone have more pictures of the Bradley without the side plates? Those are the rarest pictures and you can really look at the shape of it without them.
Once eyebrow has risen, they undestand everything.
the TOW was actually an afterthought that was hastily bolted on when they realized they wouldn't get funded unless the brad could fire missiles too. that's why it's in that retarded pod and the reload sequence looks like some serious dogfuck nonsense. still, one of the few american-made vehicles of that era that can actually fired ATGM's and hit something. bizarre, tragic, sad, and yet...just effective enough to be worth the money. the story of the USA MIC in a nutshell
>I get all of my information from Pentagon Wars
sit down and shut up dumbass
might be an optical illusion
Read a book you stupid fuck.
I actually have read several books about the Bradley's development, you watched an insane man's schizoid rantings and accepted it unquestioningly like a midwit.
>just effective enough to be worth the money
Meanwhile Bradley was the platform with the most tank kills...
I assume you're talking about Desert Storm, and I've only ever found evidence of Bradleys having the most kills of armored vehicles in general, as opposed to tanks specifically
Even if this is true (it isn’t) it’s inclusion has been proven as worthwhile
Will Russia understand?
but I'm not trying to be a superhero on PrepHole, I'm already a superhero in real life, chump
You're both gays
I think we should put ATGMs on more things
>Take Falcon style unmanned turret
>Fill up all that lost turret width with ATGMs
>Tank with 10 ATGMs in addition to its main gun
Probably wouldn’t carry reloads but I doubt you need reloads when you have ten ATGMs and a 120mm gun.
There's cannon fired ATGMs made in Israel.
Looking more at it it seems without the armor plates on the sides the Bradley has two different looking sides. The left and right side of the Bradley look different from each other. Is that because of the firing ports?
wait until you learn the abraps turret isn't centered, isn't symmetrical, and the road wheels don't line up
Yeah I only found that out now about the Bradley since its usually covered with the side plates. I wonder if the turretless Bradley APC is the same like this.
Literally the second line in the M2 link anon posted earlier is "Its two-man turret was offset to the right to maximize the room in the passenger compartment, which held six dismounts."
it'd because the turret is off-center
Where's that clip of the Russian commentator talking about raising their eyebrow?
How did an APC end up with a turret and all that shit bolted onto it?
Wished we still had M163 VADS for drones and helicopters.
Moving coffin.
you're right, what Ukraine needs is more Gavins