Stg44

What was good about it? What was bad about it? Will HMG ever produce them?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what was good about it?
    It was the first assault rifle, it worked
    >what was bad about it
    Pointless venture. Germany had lost after 1941.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He was asking about the rifle itself not the German war effort.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >good
    A gun
    >bad
    Over engineered
    >HMG
    Lol no

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What was good about it?
      First assault rifle, best primary firearm of infantry of the war.
      >What was bad about it?
      Recoil spring hole had to be bored out a bit since in the original configuration it sometimes got stuck when the rifle got wet for too long and the wood swelled.
      Also the ammo was sub-obtimal just like the Russian standard ammo has been ever since but I think they're finally planning to change it now.

      >Over engineered
      Retard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good
      >Probably the best individual small arm for it's time being the first mass issued and practical assault rifle
      > Can still be fielded today if ammo is available as it has many modern features like the threaded muzzle, pistol grip, and 30 round mags and select fire
      > easy to produce and disassemble
      Bad
      Adopted into mass production too late. 1944 was when they started really producing them when they had the mkb-42 in 1942 already and mp43s which were pretty much the same as mp44s aside from some small changes in small parts for product or mounting Ststuff on the barrel were made in 1943

      The only over engineered part is the trigger group as was on most German semi autos as well, but the gun itself is fairly simple and easy to field strip for cleaning and use

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pros:
    >cheaper to produce than the Kar98k
    >combined capability of smg and rifle streamlining supplies
    >better for sub 300 yard fighting
    >soldiers can create own suppression fire

    Cons:
    >uses tons of ammo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd also add that introducing new type of ammo for cons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to produce than the Kar98k
      really?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stamping sheet steel is fast and cheap af especially compared to machining parts from solid steel.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would also add another con.
      >Even when these rifles were brand new, soldiers would usually only load 28 rounds per mag instead of 30, because they were hard to seat on a closed bolt.
      The manual bolt hold open notch is one of the things that they should have kept from the MKB-42(H).

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What was good about it?
    World's first true assault rifle. Lots of lessons learned from its creation.
    >What was bad about it?
    Too little too late for Germany.
    >Will HMG ever produce them?
    The same day that politicians stop lying and taking bribes.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >coming soon
    No refunds.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HMG
    Over build abortion

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Motherfuckin Nachtjagers motherfuka!!!

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't HMG being sued? Also it was really retarded that they tried to make like 5 different variants of it. Should of just made it 5.56 or 7.62x39

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would a company run by smart people and not dumb rednecks actually be able to produce and market an STG? I’m a rich chad who works in finance (btw) and I’ve toyed with the idea of trying but get the feeling that sales would be disappointing. The company that makes those semi-auto BARs comes to mind.
    Price would need to be reasonable, definitely under $2k. Which means multiple calibers are out at first, and you can’t just chamber it meme kurz. So you either go with 7.62x39 to keep something similarish to kurz or you just say fuck it and chamber it in 5.56.
    I would also bet that any company making them would run into the exact same issues that American AK builders ran into for years and there is far more institutional collected knowledge around AK building.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      German companies produce the MP40 in 9mm and the STG44 in 22. Best bet would probably be 7.62x39 and just making it look like an STG. I imagine trying to reproduce the entire rifle would be expensive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      German companies produce the MP40 in 9mm and the STG44 in 22. Best bet would probably be 7.62x39 and just making it look like an STG. I imagine trying to reproduce the entire rifle would be expensive

      There already is a good STG repro. It's called the BD44. Made by SSD in Germany. Extremely high quality. It's said that they are still using original ww2 tooling. Unfortunately, it trickles in extremely low numbers to the US in the form of parts kits and receiver flats.
      DKproduction was selling the parts kits + receiver flat for $4k (barrel is extra). But since that dried up, the parts kits sometimes wash up on the garden gnomebroker for around $6k. Completed rifles sell for around $9k.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Could a private citizen export them into the US?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One guy is importing parts from them and plans to make them here, but no clue on that status

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >good
    re uses some 8 mm Mauser bits .eg casings, bullets, barrel jigs
    more effective range than an smg, recoil and weight not too much
    disassembly method is farely modern
    >bad
    trigger group is a bit complex
    multiple stampings, has some benefit for small scale production but may hinder mass production

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >multiple stampings, has some benefit for small scale production but may hinder mass production
      On the contrary, stamping makes mass production easier. Look at how soviets handled their automatic guns. First, they produced PPD, which was made of milled steel, then changed to steel pipe. Then they introduced PPSH and PPS, both manufactured with stamped steel details, making them cheaper and easier to produce. Yet partisan workshops behind german lines were mostly making PPD clones when they had to, because it was easier to get a steel tube or mill necessary details than bringing a steel press to the dugout. And after WWII they wanted to make their AKs with stamped recievers.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >good
    slow controllable rpm
    reloads are done entirely with the offhand
    overall good ergos
    >bad
    cant find any anymore. literally no reason to get one for any reason outside collecting
    >HMG repros
    yeah they’re never coming out at this point, same with the six12

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pros: Controllable, long enough range for all practical infanty fighting distances while maintaining lethality to said distances, magazine capacity of 30 rounds standard, short and manuverable, relatively low muzzle blast, stampings allowed for cheaper/more abundant materials, significantly lighter ammo than other service rifles', 8mm bore and case maintained to simplify manufacturing logistics.

    Cons: New, uncommon manufacture. Relatively weak reciever. Introduced too late (this was more political than anything). Ammunition was fat and tapered because it used 8mm Mauser as a parent case, leading to magazines that were overly long and somewhat curved, compromising ergonomics and complicating magazine manufacture. Unreliable magazines that could not be made fast enough. Proprietary (last ditch and/or prototypes aside) ammunition and magazines. Too expensive for late war manufacture. (see: StG45). Heavy. Recoil spring contained in buttstock, making it easy to disable by destroying said stock. Folding stocks require major redesign if even possible. Ill suited to longer range engagements, suboptimal for CQB.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What was good about it?
    It was two steps up from having a bolt action.
    >What was bad about it?
    Adolf didn't jump on it instantly, and Germans have to complicate things like the FCG.
    >Will HMG ever produce them?
    They're dead, more or less.

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