>starve billions of Indians to pay Russians for a refurbished Soviet cruiser. >docked in port for years

>starve billions of Indians to pay Russians for a refurbished Soviet cruiser
>docked in port for years
>sail 1 mile off coast to show world India is indeed powerful and strong
>catch fire
>docked in port for years again
>sail 1 mile off coast to show world India is indeed powerful and strong again
>catch fire again

indianexpress.com/article/india/fire-incident-aircraft-carrier-ins-vikramaditya-8042182/

Whats is even the point if its not for prestige?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good morning sirs please the reedem india super power 2020

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You gotta pay the price if you want to play the game. It makes sense for India to invest in a navy with carriers, and you have to train the crews somehow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      India gains nothing from force projection since they have a massive bleeding land border with both countries that hate them and need force distribution to protect their enormous coastline, owning each carrier ties up 10-20 destroyers, submarines, and other support vessels that could be patrolling/harassing convoys/etc.
      Ignoring the massive cost of carrier group upkeep, the money for the purchase would have been better served investing in domestic port improvement, land base resilience, and not pissing off the United States, one of the few countries that could casually ruin India's day because of the reasonably positive relationship with hurka durka Pakistan.

      A mutually beneficial alternative would be cooperation with Taiwan to transfer and produce additional Tuo Chiang. Because this would subsidize one of China's primary enemies, it means every dollar buys twice as much naval protection for India, compared to potentially funding a Chinese ally. If India bought and armed 12 Tuo Chiangs with BrahMos (+16-35 more for the wasted money on Vikrant and efficiency from increased Tou Chiang production), China would be shitting bricks, since that translates into Taiwan doubling its purchases too. India transforms into one of the most well equipped navies overnight. In the absolute best case, Taiwan conducts tech transfer, the US allows it, and India can produce cheap Tuo Chaings for both countries, massive return on investment.

      If Taiwan is too far off limits, bootlegging La Fayettes from Singapore's modernized version would be a fair alternative for similar reasons, the ships are a bit larger but the price efficiency would be much worse. As a bonus France would probably be involved since it's a downstream tech trade.
      Of course, a mixed navy with submarines would be superior... coincidentally, India's total inability to get access to submarine technology from the US might have something to do with buying junk from Russia as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're just categorically incapable of making good decisions. Like a kid playing chess who hasn't figured out you're supposed to plan ahead.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >of the reasonably positive relationship with hurka durka Pakistan
        I'm sorry, what?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sirs please do not the redeem

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > India transforms into one of the most well equipped navies overnight. In the absolute best case, Taiwan conducts tech transfer, the US allows it, and India can produce cheap Tuo Chaings for both countries, massive return on investment.
        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "one of the most well equipped" isn't very difficult, the US is pretty much the only competitor, but ~40 stealth corvettes with modern missiles and capability for running baby Aegis would make India vastly more capable for defensive action than every European navy barring France, and I wouldn't bet France's bluewater navy against that

          >Tuo chiangs
          >2000 ton class corvette
          You are retarded.

          >2000 ton class corvette
          You are retarded, it's ~700 tons, not 2k.
          Why would you need big useless hunks of metal when interdiction is the goal?
          India buys outdated junk when there are modern options built specifically to blow up Chinese warships, capable of bluewater use in one of the most turbulent oceans on the planet, and to simulate a very budget version of Aegis, a capability that India's larger, more vulnerable vessels desperately need.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > "one of the most well equipped" isn't very difficult, the US is pretty much the only competitor
            PLAN can park the entire IN on the ocean floor without missing a beat.
            Hell, the poos will probably do half of that themselves

          • 3 weeks ago
            Indian Shill

            You are clueless and need to shut the fuck up we have missile boats of that size. We are not a tiny shithole like Taiwan.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're a big shithole

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think I understand why India's navy is useless lmao

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >We are not a tiny shithole like Taiwan
              Taiwan in terms of living standards and technology is light-years ahead of India’s impoverished, filthy, seething brown hordes m8

      • 3 weeks ago
        Indian Shill

        >Tuo chiangs
        >2000 ton class corvette
        You are retarded.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you have to train the crews somehow.
      Except your training only happens on Twitter and Quora fanctions, not on your meme carrier that spends most of its time moored in some brown water port or the repair dock.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >buy aircraft carrier from Russia. A corrupt nation that can not build shit,
    >aircraft carrier seen as the most shit of all the shit Russia builds.
    > Still buys shit
    Almost like Indians like shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indians shit in their holy river, shit is an intergal part of their culture

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do they shit in "Mother Ganges"?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian aircraft carriers are designed to proactively catch fire in port for easier firefighting instead of catching fire at sea. C.f. Admiral Kuznetsov. It's actually big brain strategy, US only recently catching up with Bonhomme Richard.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >US only recently catching up with Bonhomme Richard.
      lmao

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >posting QE instead of actual INS vikramaditya
    But overall, yeah should've bought Voyage from Ukraine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s The Viraat, an ex centaur class, you fucking clueless moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >One cope ramp and another cope ramp
        What difference does it make?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The difference is you think you know wtf you’re talking about but you don’t.
          The Viraat was the ex HMS Hermes and laid down in 19 fucking 59.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good morning sir

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just know it smells wild in there.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good morning sirs

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In 2018, despite the US’ threat of sanctions, India correctly chose Russia’s S-400 over the American Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC-3) and THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) missiles. A predictably outrageous outburst from President Donald Trump against India’s decision followed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >In 2018, despite the US’ threat of sanctions, India correctly chose Russia’s S-400 over the American Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC-3) and THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) missiles. A predictably outrageous outburst from President Donald Trump against India’s decision followed.
      https://theprint.in/opinion/why-russia-really-stopped-its-s-400-supply-to-china/542583/

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This article has aged poorly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably still good enough to dunk on Pakistan if used properly, as long as the US doesn't come screaming to their defence. Hard to say against China though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Indian Shill

      Patriot is a ameriturd piece of shit that can't even handle Iranian drones. Lmao stop coping

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lel. Drones is another matter that an appropriate weapons are needed. I mean, we need to look at the cumulative numbers of interception which Patriot have shown is fine.

        Re drones. You really need a different weapons. Luckily, the US have demonstrated cUAS from Class 1 to Class 3.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          speak english jesus christ

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >speak english
            This is an American board gay.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        didn't some American system stop some iranian suicide drone attack at an airport?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good morning sirs

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Russia totally collapsed what does India do to buy superficially effective weaponry to counter China particularly? They're too poor and strategically suspect besides to buy anything American, European, Korean...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They're too poor and strategically suspect besides to buy anything American, European, Korean...
      They literally bought 36 Rafale from France just a few years ago you colossal twat.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pooperpower by 2030.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's when the Shit Hits The Fan

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's for bragging rights only.
    No matter how bad it is the most important thing is to have it exist.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the US has ten of them and we're better than them, carriers can't be that difficult

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >starve billions of Indians
    Based

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indeed

      honestly the sufferings of other people is the only thing that keeps me going

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people
        We're talking about indians here

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The average indian is more human then you will ever be hohol.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    An occasional controlled burn on a Russian carrier reduces the fuel load from leaking oil and improperly stored ammunition and prevents larger fires during combat. It may seem counterintuitive but fires have a healthy cleaning function in the Russian military ecosystem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds scientific enough. I believe in you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It also has the side benefit of removing maintenance hogs and crewmen you hate, truly the Russian system for carrier operations is leagues ahead of what America can do. India was incredibly smart to buy Russian

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    goodmorning sir

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when every deck is the poop deck

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they should buy this beauty off the rooskies.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Indians would starve regardless of foreign economic trade.
    >buying russian ships
    You get what you pay for. How about buying from an actual naval power thats got a history and experience of pioneering ship design and don't regularly humiliate themselves like its a sexual fetish in anything maritime related. Seriously its like India wants the pakis to laugh at them.
    >Bongs
    >Burger
    >Frogs
    >Dutch
    >Italy
    >Japan
    >Korea
    All good options, some better than others.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that India had a mostly Russian-supplied military for a long time. The logistics of that kind of setup are immense and not easily changed without great economic difficulty.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Britain still send millions in aid to these people every year, again?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A chronic terminal case of white guilt. Seems to be very common affliction amongst the Anglosphere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Corrupt government parties who shall remain nameless.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >third world oligarch sends $100,000 to western politician
      >western politician sends $100,000,000 taxpayer dollars to third world oligarch
      western taxpayers get fucked and third world peasants get nothing but the people involved in making the decision are doing well

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        culturally inclusive despots

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don’t. Haven’t sent anything in aid over a decade. UK has already sent more to Ukraine than it ever did to India, or in fact all aid sent to all countries combined since WW2. Not it appears to be making any difference, since it is probably all swallowed up by corruption.

      To where would India project power overseas?
      Land based air and frigate navy is fine for them.

      Where is any country supposed to project power? The same arguments could be make for UK and France.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Not it appears to be making any difference, since it is probably all swallowed up by corruption.

        Ukraine is the turd-shaped shithole of europe. What did you expect? All their woman have run off to be whores in germany. The “””men””” are busy selling western arms for vodka.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >All their woman have run off to be whores in germany.
          This is untrue. Many of them also went to Denmark, Norway and Finland be whores.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because America is doing that too. Unironically.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we do not speak 1,400 different langage

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To where would India project power overseas?
    Land based air and frigate navy is fine for them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >To where would India project power overseas?
      India has maintained hostilities and inherited territorial conflicts with every single neighbouring country.

      40% of its border is on the sea. If you blockade India by the sea its cut off from the world.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure they need a good navy to circumvent blockades. But that is destroyers. Carriers are just mobile airfields and they don't need it for Pakistan or whatever. I guess they could park one off the coast of Taiwan when relations with China deteriorate.

        Why bother with carriers when you could get an X amount of destroyers for the same money.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    ProudSupporterOfRussiaZ

    Indians are based. Fuck HATO gays seething

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      incorrect,

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Indians are about to learn the hard way that playing both sides only works, until one side dies.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does everyone buy russian carriers?
    Do other countries ie USA not sell their used warships?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're crappy but cheap. The cheapness of Russian equipment is what draws a lot of poor third world countries towards it. However it comes with the drawback of sucking in quality.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Britain sells it's older carriers if it's forced to redirect cashflow between maintenance to new surface combatants.

      For example the Ocean was sold to Brazil, had some work to it (updating/removing systems) and is now their new flagship - replacing their old flagship which was a used French carrier.

      I believe the Chakri Nubet (for all intents and purposes the govt's private yacht) was also an ex Spanish ship.

      Any country that wants to operate a carrier and has the facilities to develop/maintain them can usually build them from scratch.

      Russia and India are edge cases as they have allusions of grandeur but are basically shitholes.

      It's more economical for western-allied countries to build LPD/LHD's and use F-35's or helicopters. A an aircraft carrier is a massive undertaking only viable for first rate powers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do other countries ie USA not sell their used warships?
      They do, but America unironically attaches conditions to legalize and open up your country to American globohomo culture, American government globohomo activism and globohomo NGOs used as a cover subvert your youth, media and government, susbsidized American state owned enterprise junk produce like Monsanto and American real estate garden gnomes like Black Rock, to every arms offer worth a shit unless your country is called Israel, Saudi Arabia or any other name of a terrorist organization that ruins humanity.

      And under pressure of America unfree countries like France and fellow Angloids like Britbongoloidland demand the same on behalf of the American regime.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        meds

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sometimes I wish America was actually as powerful as schizoids believe it was. Wouldn't that be something

          honestly yeah, and then i do i get in on that power.
          i legit believe people see US as the empire in star wars.

          >maybe people will forgive the U.S.A. and ignore the truth if I keep denying it and talk to myself how things the U.S. regime openely declares and preaches are totally not real in my mind

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sometimes I wish America was actually as powerful as schizoids believe it was. Wouldn't that be something

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          honestly yeah, and then i do i get in on that power.
          i legit believe people see US as the empire in star wars.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Spreading gayry is official American foreign policy. That's not a conspiracy theory.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its kind of funny how Amerimutts have it literally embedded hundred of times into their law and official policy papers to ruin humanity with gayry and yet Amerimutts to this day are still trying to deny it and pass it off as a conspiracy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, this little thing called the fall of the Soviet Union meant Russia had to have something of national estate sale and carriers are fucking expensive to upkeep

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based pajeets will turn this museum piece into a rowing boat.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good morning sirs

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Naval air launched pooing operations.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >billions of indians
    I bet you thing 30% of Americans live in NYC

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Whats is even the point if its not for prestige?
    Arguably it gives India experience in using and maintaining a carrier, but that is the ultimate cope. The fact is not every single country needs power projection, especially when both of India's biggest enemies are right next door.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hello I have aircraft carrier what is solution the fire problem

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sir have you redeemed da booty?

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sir, have you tried going back to port on your own power?

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NO SIR! DO NOT REDEEM THE GIFT VOUCHER!!

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watches all of the Russian equipment they're currently buying get fucking destroyed in Ukraine by superior western technology
    >goes balls deep on buying more

    Why are poo-in-loos so dumb?

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