'splain how this arty shit works IRL.

'splain how this arty shit works IRL.
Not sure if this is legit combat pic, but I see all these meat bags hanging out all exposed like just one little small hand grenade sized COUNTER fire shell would wipe them all out.

Seems like fairly easy to detect where artillery fire is coming from, due to noise and FLASH.

Ditto with mortars, even when in a pit, seems VERY exposed and would get instant counter fire, and they'd know where your pit is.

Too me this seems about one step removed from guys lining up to trade volley fire.

Why don't artillery guys have a horrific KIA rate from farting around in the open?

I'd think this would be undoable unless you were surrounded by those big square sand cubes, and even then you'd need to have guys hiding in little cubby holes and only popping out to do their bit and hedgehogging back in.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don’t hang around. After a fire mission of a few rounds they book it. They take down those guns and move them in a few minutes. Ukies using them will also just run to cover and sacrifice the gun to counter fire if it comes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP, but I find it curious we never seen a shoot and scoot action being filmed. I meant to say by the adversary of course, like you never really see ukkies artillery blowing up russians artillery in the process of scooting or vice versa. Survivorship bias?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you show the enemy how fast and where you move? That would be really dumb.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My autism has been compelling me to try to see how exactly artillery is towed around and deployed (I've been working around trucks for too long I think), and it's frustratingly hard to find any examples, this one doesn't have the deploying and shooting, but it's still neat.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/x26jwm/shoot_and_scoot_in_76_seconds/

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For example. Ukies in training breaking down a gun for movement. https://youtu.be/kRdQKpdMIZQ?si=VcrGXwJOXDxohZjg

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      better than I figured, still an ass load of meat bags out in open.

      Seems like it could/should be done with a few cables/chains maybe run off compressed air or even clock-work spring, or power take-off (air, electrical or mechanical) from tow buggy, with current multi-meat-bag method as manual back up, and in reverse to deploy.

      One guy should be able to drive the truck, place the gun, throw a lever and have it deploy, and MAYBE insert a few lock-pins, and disconnect from truck. Then again ONE guy should be able to back up truck with aid of correctly placed mirror, and maybe guide-lead from gun barrel, pull pins, connect to truck and flip lever and drive off.

      If large crew is still needed to actually fire the gun, I'm sure they could find things to do during placing and picking the gun.

      I'd also want units various aux trucks, maybe with supplies and water doubling as frag absorbers, parked around the gun when it was placed. Figure its gonna take incoming there is good chance the shells land on other side of aux truck and save crew, and aux trucks would be a target but a low value one, and might shield the gun and crew from visual detection.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >anon talking shit about artillery when he doesn't even know what types of artillery exist or how they're used
        BEHOLD, UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          also
          GREETINGS FROM 1963.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think you understand how significant of a feat it is to tear down a large caliber howitzer in barely a minute. The point is to fire and pickup before the enemy starts shooting at you. With a good crew, this is do able.
        You're just proposing more complexity to the operation. The men are needed to move and haul ammo. And guess what, people get tired and sometimes need to take a break. A small crew means every man is going to have to work extra hard.
        And with all the mechanization you're suggesting, maybe we should just mount the gun on a tracked chassis and add an auto loader. Voila you have an entirely different system with a different role.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm just saying a few cables, chains, etc (very well sorted, cheap and reliable tech) could replace the meat bags and greatly speed up deployment AND free up the crew to do all the other shit, like policing up their gear, loading the ammo they didn't expend, etc.

          Even RVs got semi-automatic powered crank-down levelers these days, and RV users aren't in that big a hurry.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Towed arty still has some advantages over self-propelled, namely it is cheaper, allowing for greater number of barrels pointing downrange, and has little to no signature until it fires.

        There are towed guns with auxiliary power unit that can move under own power to firing position and have hydraulics to assist in emplacing and loading the gun. FH-70 or Denel G5 spur to mind. It comes with increased bulk, weight, complexity, cost and signature penalties, though.
        The thing is that something like an M109 self-propelled gun is highly mobile and, to a certain degree, protected against counterbattery fire. But it is also a big heavy expensive metal box that radiates heat and needs significant logistic support, and a welcome target. Towed gun in position, on the other hand, has a visual and thermal signature equal to a log trailer...

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Towed arty still has some advantages over self-propelled
          why not compromise and field CAESARs?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's cheaper and you don't need to maintain a specific truck/gun combination. M119s you can literally just throw a truck/humvee at the crew and you're done.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            ceasar is self propelled you moron

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My dad used to do field gun competitions when he was my age. Different era, different equipment, but you'd be surprised how quickly a trained crew of half a dozen guys or more can tear down a piece of artillery and pack it up to move.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Seems like fairly easy to detect where artillery fire is coming from, due to noise and FLASH.

    If someone is close enough to your artillery to hear or see them, you've done fricked up. Actual counter battery is done by radar watching incoming shell's trajectories and back calculating the launch sites.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean you can in some cases roughly figure out where they are by literally listening or watching for the flash (bouncing off clouds at night etc) but yeah holy frick everything is done by radar/drone/elint now noise/flash location was a ww1/ww2 thing. Is this guy 90 or did he pick up how artillery works from some moronic ww1 autist?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        these days I'm thinking high flying drones (in the olden days they had guys in balloon baskets) would detect flashes, and it would be easy to program filters of exactly what various artillery flashes look like, then you be facing counter-fire within a couple minutes from a gun that was deployed but still quiet and undetected.

        Tactically, you would be both "naked" until someone fires at a 3rd party, then the guy that shot first would be naked and "painted".

        I've also heard that with even simple electronic mics and parabolic reflectors you can detect which direction sound is coming from quite well, even at ground level, if you have a few mics.

        And those could be forward scout "listening posts" or more likely unmanned with a 100yd of wire to a transmitter in a tree.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          or you just literally use a counterbattery radar, holy frick.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You would need a lot of drones to cover an entire frontline.
            As [...] said, you do that. The radars work, and they work very well.
            You could use the rough coordinates spit out by the radar to send drones to the location to try and scout for the battery as well as other associated equipment to try and arrange for a more precise strike instead of just lobbing shells roughly where it should be. But that takes time, and with a good crew that gun won't be where it was.

            Radar is the universal standard for thus but their not perfect — they will emit an electronic signature as all radars will. Unless it’s a LPI (Low Probability of Intercept) which are advanced AESAs so not applicable here. In a battlefield saturated with drones and possible ELINT it may pose a threat to the forward observation team (and the radar itself).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just giving you 1950s Turd World tech method.

            I'm thinking the probs with counter batt radar is:

            Costs money.

            Has to emit radar pulse and thus become target itself.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You would need a lot of drones to cover an entire frontline.
          As

          or you just literally use a counterbattery radar, holy frick.

          said, you do that. The radars work, and they work very well.
          You could use the rough coordinates spit out by the radar to send drones to the location to try and scout for the battery as well as other associated equipment to try and arrange for a more precise strike instead of just lobbing shells roughly where it should be. But that takes time, and with a good crew that gun won't be where it was.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit, you think artillery only involves direct line of sight fire. Also why do you capitalize RANDOM shit like a schizo 78 year old

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      At least he didn't pollute the world with a søyjak

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even smaller guns are chucking shit 10-15km away, most of the bigger is 30-40 out turning dreams into complete hell. The only real 'close' artillery to a front line will be heavy mortars and the odd SPG driver who's drunk enough to have bumblefricked their way into range
    On average there will also be a platoon or two kicking around with the gun company that acts as a reserve and makes sure no one just randomly stumbles into small arms range, but that can vary from organisation to another. Sometimes they just roll up, do some maths, send a few shells and carry out the Frickoffski manoeuvre somewhere else.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the M119 on max charge with base bleed shells can do like 20 km. You aren't seeing shit if one of those is firing on you.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Black Hearts. Strike.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Seems like fairly easy to detect where artillery fire is coming from, due to noise and FLASH.
    you will not see this ever because they are far out. Counter-battery fire is calculated and can be directed with radars bouncing echos off ordnance but is generally difficult. They also shift their stops fairly often not to get bonked.

    This is why self propelled artillery will generally be closer to your lines too, easier for them to just scoot away after a salvo.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      meanwhile in reality

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Seems like fairly easy to detect where artillery fire is coming from, due to noise and FLASH.

    what range do you think the typical artillery barrage happens at?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    From some footage I've seen, the meat parts have a dugout somewhere nearby, they do some shooting and then go underground for the night.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're far the frick away from the fighting, you dumbass.

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