> spent 4 years learning about some mid 50s schizo ramblings about modern "art"
> you are qualified to lead men with 10 years of experience of combat work in battle.
I really don't understand this, and this is not a US practice either; pretty much everyone does it be it Iran or Russia withthe latter is especially prove how shit this idea is. The US is obviously better in developing their officers but it still doesn't justify treating college graduates pretty much the same with west point graduates. If they does indeed end up pretty much performing at the same level; then whats the point? Its not like military science is being developed in unis like civvie research is.
And what I don't understand is going into the modern era this practice is pretty much expanded and become established rather than the opposite, which contradict people that say this practice is an artifact of the social class divide. Which is retarded considering how complex and sophisticated modern warfare has become. Anyone smarter than me can explain this? And I'd rather not have someone talk about "college shapes the mind" BS as I'm a stemcel myself.
It filters the impulsive giga-retards and those with zero work ethic, same reason most jobs require degrees. If you've completed a 3 year degree, you can presumably be trusted to complete assigned tasks without constant supervision and not to get drunk and impulsively go out and rape a Japanese schoolgirl one night. Its not about headhunting the best and brightest or those best equipped to lead; its simply enforcing a minimum standard of intelligence and self-control in the COC.
Obtaining a degree means you can function in an organization and be made to adhere to its rules. This is the bare minimum you need to be an effective officer and leader and it's not as obvious as you would expect - MANY people especially from the lower socio-economic strata are completely incapable of being an effective moving part of an organization but still can function within it when coerced with discipline - these are the enlisted.
It's an effective filter to get rid of the worst retards and the rest can be made into good officer material
as a recent college graduate i am DEBUNKING and PREBUNKING the idea that you cant just jerk off through 4 years of it
>It filters the impulsive giga-retards and those with zero work ethic, same reason most jobs require degrees.
>I really don't understand this
of course you dont, you never made it past highschool
Copy and pasting shitty threads day after day because your opinion is either so completely debased from reality not even PrepHole will take the bait, or because it is in fact your a genuine retard not worth anyones time, fuck off ruskie nig
I take it back PrepHole is I guess truly a board of hungry fish looking for anything to bite on
>And I'd rather not have someone talk about "college shapes the mind" BS as I'm a stemcel myself.
And first reply :
>If you've completed a 3 year degree, you can presumably be trusted to complete assigned tasks without constant supervision
The second anon isn't wrong, mind you.
>undersized anemic twink
>infectious disease doctorate and career would mean direct commission as captain
>insta top 1% of importance despite total incompetence at anything soldiering
Maybe it’s a hold over from England’s class system. Not as blatant as buying a captaincy but same idea
>undersized anemic twink
post thighs or fake
Being trained as an officer qualifies you to lead men in battle.
Two things. First, it filters out the illiterates and the people that can't speak in complete sentences. You might be surprised how low the baseline can be in military recruitment. There is reading, writing and public speaking associated with the job. Second, leadership is a role. The CO is not "more important" than a senior NCO and nobody else thinks that either incidentally. At least here it pays less and has fewer ancillary benefits too. What they have is a different job to do that they have had different training for that a lot of other people frankly don't want to do.
You might as well complain that medical school qualifies you to operate people that have been hurt fighting, shouldn't it be a first aider with more years experience?
No anon, he is talking about people who get a Bachelors in Gender Studies if drafted would get commissioned as Lieutenants
>spent 4 years learning about some mid 50s schizo ramblings about modern "art"
>you are qualified to lead men with 10 years of experience of combat work in battle.
They don't make you an officer just because you went to college. You still have to complete either OCS, ROTC, or a military academy. And for college grads OCS still has a 30% dropout rate, so it's not a given. Lieutenants are really the only officers that could be entirely replaced (and regularly are) by NCOs. At company level and above the formations begin to get so large that you need the specialized training that officers recieve in management.
This basically. And its not like officers aren't being monitored constantly for competence. Shitloads get filtered before becoming Majors, and I'd say Brigadier General, but that's way too political for now.
Also, the enlisted ranks have higher than the national average of college degree-holders, and I once asked a SNCO I worked for why he didn't become an officer. Its largely because officers have 3 jobs really, a command, a staff, or they're in school. Do you want to be a sniper? You really have to be enlisted for that. Same goes for most of the cool shjt.
If you’re sufficiently credentialed they offer direct commissions as in automatically go in as a bigwig who ranks as high as the company commanders most soldiers interact with
I get it’s because they need experts but it’s still weird how it’s more likely and easier for a doctor to make a jump to leadership than an enlisted with tons of experience running things.
Direct Commissions don't have the ability to hold command outside of their specialty. They may rate a salute, but they're not real officers and everybody including themselves knows it.
The medical service corps (think their scientists and lab workers) don’t have that restriction and have general command authority
So someone with zero experience could legitimately end up leading a hundred grizzled veterans
Having a rank doesn't mean being a part of a command, dumbass.
If you're a colonel because you ran a hospital department or a law firm or some shit, you're going to be doing the same job in the military. The military is literally never going to put somebody in combat arms unless they went to a service academy or otherwise specifically trained to do that.
They constantly did that during World War 2, they also bumped people out of combat arms when they were not competent.
Okay, but medical service corps aren't direct commission officers. They go through regular commission sources.
Doctors, Dentists and a few other professions DC. Some officers get assigned to medical units, but aren't medical professionals. There are different leadership paths for doctors. Some doctors end up doing more admin stuff as they promote, and might end up in hospital leadership, some continue practicing medicine, with slightly more responsibility, Some end up doing research.
Medical Service Corps and Medical Corps are two different things.
In my OCS class we had a former 68W go into the MS branch. He did not direct commission because he wasn't a doctor. Please read next time.
Their doctorates (microbiology, chemistry, PT) and clinical laboratory scientists are almost exclusively direct commission https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2022/04/07/0d7ba86e/20220223-medical-service-corps.pdf so it happens
Supposedly they get sent to command school
Medical Service Corps are another staff officer corps. They are not line officers. The veterinarians, entomologists, physician assistants, medical scientists, and podiatrists do not have command authority.
they do in a true SHTF situation but otherwise if you ever reach a point that the base MD has to pull rank you have officially fucked up beyond all reality and should consider immediate polite suicide
Maybe we are talking past each other. In the US Navy you are either an unrestricted line officer (and therefore in succession for command at sea), or you are not. Staff corps officers and restricted line officers are examples of officers who are not in line for command if "SHTF" for a ship. I believe this is also true of other combat units. Perhaps you are talking about inheriting command outside of combat.
I believe it really depends on service branch of which nation. On one side of the spectrum you have germs where staff/specialist officers would adhere to "line" NCOs in a combat situation. Then you have russians that put rocket engineering (albeit from a military uni) graduate straight into position of command of a reconnaisance unit in ukraine.
Well, the USA/USN/USAF/USMC all have the same concept of "line officers." The purpose of being a line officer (or not) is to delineate succession to command authority. I do not doubt other countries have different approaches, but for the US it does not depend on the service branch.
My point is that if literally everyone else is dead and all that's left is Major Dr. MD Rectal Exam, he is el jefe but otherwise, you are correct
the Ft Hood dentist does not give orders to Pvt Snuffy or SGT Asshole
>they do in a true SHTF situation but otherwise if you ever reach a point that the base MD has to pull rank you have officially fucked up beyond all reality and should consider immediate polite suicide
They literally do not. Doctors, Chaplains, and Lawyers do not have command authority outside their specialty in any branch. Command will pass to the lowest Private before a doctor. In fact there are many instances of this occuring in the Vietnam War.
>Command will pass to the lowest Private before a doctor. In fact there are
And here I thought the guy and or gal with the bird on his shirt was running your local MEDDAC but if you say PFC Butt Policer outranks him I guess thats that
huh, I remember reading some account of a FAC during Just Cause, where he is approached by a group of paratroops for orders since they can't find their officer. Weird I know, but I remember that right.
They don’t have combat command authority, they have that rank so Pvt Retard has to actually listen to them or they’ll be written up for insubordination.
Pattern/ method competence. Kinda the opposite of deep Impact movie.
You get people that have proven that they as a bare minimum can read, write, work, analyse, extrapolate, understand structure and rules/discipline etc.
It's a holdover from a time when only smart people went to university.
It's just class-based credentialism. They don't want officers who are likely part of an outgroup of theirs, like pro-white working class men, to take charge of their leader structures.
Same reason why big institutions do it, and even hard-ceiling non-graduates, even when we know that uni grads are often no different in practice.
for one officer is supposed to both be able to read and write
I see that most posters ITT come from educated part of the society and have no experience dealing with real proles.
This. Even just 30 years ago, an artillery officer had to use calculus and trigonometry to correct or presight his battery using nothing but binoculars and pen + paper.
The west is so weak and degenerate, how can we hope to win..... .t sally yeehaw (trans) from orange oblast
>spent 4 years learning about some mid 50s schizo ramblings about modern "art"
If you can wrap your head around this stuff then you should be very well suited to problem solving in unexpected ways on the battlefield. Most of this art was encouraged by the CIA anyway.
Israel famously used Situationism and Deleuze and Guattari to inform their apprach to urban combat in Gaza.
Engineering students may be adept at problem solving using conventional tools at their disposal, but you also need a few schizo rhizome philosopher Lawrence of Arabia types for all the unconventional warfare.
Snake oil, it didn't inform shit. It was a social club for morons who got high off their own farts and regurgitated philosophical nonsense at each other only to declare they "discovered" basics like mouseholing and the benefits of avoiding hanging around in open spaces waiting to get shot like retards. Somehow all that flowery drivel about critical deconstruction of the manifest spatial substance projected into the real by socio-architectonic urbane substructure described within a defined space-time operational frame of reference *rips bong* didn't save them from getting their shit clapped in Lebanon.
The communist manifesto was written by a fart sniffing elitist philosoper and it has single handedly killed more people than any invention by any engineer.
Officers are higher class, socially and mentally superior individuals and a well roynded education always improved the man. It is simply a sign of better breeding
With NCOs increasingly becoming better educated and with American universities becoming dysgenic hell-holes to psyop young females, this hasn't been the case for a while. It's more about indoctrinating young officers to toe the line and be docile enough to withstand four years of slow, sterile, brainwashing. Who cares if LT is constantly getting his platoon lost during land nav. As long as he doesn't throw a fit when the new Battalion Commander goes through transition surgery, like SFC Travis Crawford will.
99.99999% of all the trannies in the mail are enlisted tho, they have to sign up to afford the treatments
kek, probably true. I had mtf LT work at battalion before i got out, but there are certainly more 'outstanding' individuals in the enlisted ranks. Most of the less put-together troops don't end up making it past SGT though.
I've noticed that usually when people have this mindset, they are not really advocating replacing Majors with Master Sergeants. Because a Major and a MSgt may have similar time in service, but very different skill sets. They generally are advocating replacing lieutenants with Staff sergeants. But if you want good majors, they need to be developed as lieutenants first.
Junior officers are paired with a more experienced NCO. Most junior officers quickly realize that the NCO may be below them in rank, but is also friends with senior officers who can make their life miserable. The junior officer is also also going to be kept busy with all kinds of paperwork while the NCO will be busy keeping the enlisted soldiers in line and up to standard.
To be fair, West Point shit the bed hard over the past couple decades.