>spears are better than swords >well swords are better but only big swords >well small swords are better too but only due to tactical superiority!
Want to keep backpedaling?
Romans were throwing spears before grabbing their swords
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Romans were throwing spears before grabbing their swords
Yeah, they threw the trash away before fighting with the superior weapon.
Spearfags are fags.
There's a reason late antiquity/early middle ages ended up with armies with more sword and shields than spears and shields
And late medieval dropped the shield completely and went full pike/spear (never understood the difference)
Pike is a 2 handed spear, maybe?
A lance is a spear that can be thrown (at least originaly, even if later ones were too long & heavy while keeping the name by tradition), maybe?
And a spear is a spear.
I may be wrong, but i’m satisfied with it. And no weapon classification has ever been ”perfect”.
Spear is a footman's stick
Pike is a long footman's stick which restricts cavalry charges but only in a proper formation
Lance is a horseman's weapon used to perform couched attacks (when the lance is held under the shoulder and the horseman does hot push it but uses horse's speed instead). But it can be used as a spear from horseback, although it would be unwieldy
https://i.imgur.com/4SWs7tp.jpg
>Destroys your shitty spear and beheads you
Spearfags blown the fuck out
I'm sorry but all the zweihander stuff is a gay duelist larp
Just once on this board, I would like to see someone spell landsknecht correctly. Just once. It's not like it's even very hard. A lands-knecht is a servant of (or from) the land, the english equivalent would be lands-knight. That's two letters different from the proper german spelling. Two (2) letters. Get your shit together you fucks.
Welch eynen verschissenen Unfug schicktest du dich zur Hölle nochmal an, über das heilige römische Reych in die Welt herauszuthragen, du Lustknabe? Seyd drumb in Kennthnisz gesetzet, dass min threue Sünderseele meynes Gewalthauvns besther Landsknecht gewesen und an Schwerthzügen gegen holländische Rebellen meynen Theil trug, derer nicht nur zahlreych, sondern auch occulter Natura waren. Dem Herrgotth gefihl es, dreimalhunderth Feynde durch das Werk meyner Hände umbkommen zu lassen. Geschuhlth im Kleynkrieg sowie als ersther Arkebusier des Exercitus Imperii bist du nichts denn einer weytheren Ordre. Mit einer von Christenouge ungeschauter Genauigkeyth, wird das von mir für dich zugedachte Ende seyn, so wahrhafftig mir der allmächtige Herrgotth beysteht. Gibst Du dich wahrlich dem Irrglauben hin, sondergleychen Deppeschen an das Publikum richten zu vermögen imstande zu seyn? Bedenk deynen Irrtum, Dirnenbock! Just als du dieser Zeylen lesend ansichtig wirst, fand meine congregatio occulta von Ränkeschmieden in allen Reichslanden bereyths die Lage deyner Scholle, also erwahrthe den Sturm, du Schweinehund. Du bist verschiszen toth, Bursche. Ich vermag dich immer und überall in hundert Weysen zu erschlagen und das nur Kraft meyner blanken Hände. Nicht genug, als der Christenheyth besther Schwertfürer geboren zu seyn, auch das gesammelte Arsenal des teutschen Keysers Heer seynd mir zu Händen gereycht; dies dargeboten wird es meynem Anschickem nützlich seyn, das dir von Gott zugetheilte ärschlich anmuthend Antlitz aus Evropa zu thilgen. Wärest du im Wissen um die unheiligen Consequencia deiner Publicatio gewesen, vielleicht hätte deiner listig Zunge Kunde keyne zukünftig Damnatio geborgen. Doch sie ward verwerflich und dieser Schuld gilt es nun Buße zu thragen, du von Gott verdammter Narr. Gerechter Zorn soll bis zu deynem Ersticken über dir ausgeschissen seyn. Du bist beim Teuffel nochmal toth, Kindt.
OP has never trained. Never held a spear. Never held a sword. Never held a mace.
Spears and pikes are okay in formation, but with a single-handed arming sword, and no shield or other weapon, I regularly demolish insufferable spearfags 1-on-1. > Feint or bait an attack > Grab spear with off hand > Strike to the arm/shoulder/neck
It's almost too easy, especially as most spearfags are poorly trained and unathletic, looking for "the meta" or whatever the fuck.
That pointy bit at the end and the overall less mass of the spear does not lend itself to being used like a quarter staff against a quartestaff.
Pretty much every blow with a quarterstaff in the hands of someone with practice in it results in skeletal damage.
spear around
Ahhh, drop anything in my hands grab the shaft or your spear and run the now pointed at you pointy bit right through you while yelling check out this fucking retard and pissing on your corpse.
spear around
Ahhh, drop anything in my hands grab the shaft or your spear and run the now pointed at you pointy bit right through you while yelling check out this fucking retard and pissing on your corpse.
Tell me retards, when you hold a spear do you have the shaft pointed directly at you? Think carefully.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
bit towards enemy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Aww, you couldn't figure it out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>what if I turnt mah Speer around with the pointy sharp end near me instead of you?
you couldn't figure it out
Based retard poster
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You still don't get it. You're a fucking retard. There's no point in even trying to explain anything to you because you lack the ability to comprehend anything I might say. I'm amazed you're even able to use the Internet.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm amazed you don't realize that you don't turn a spear around and use it like a quarterstaff due to the insane amount of times the head of the spear would potentially cross and hit your legs torso and arms while doing so.
Even the Greeks with the lizard killer used a North South motion when using it to dispatch the wounded.
But I'll go into it anyway. The quarter staff is talked about in four even sections. Basically you can hold it by the last two sections in a high, or low gaurd. Both would put the spear head in a nasty position for your legs and potentially brushing your arms. Holding the mid quarters one would be in SEVERE danger in several positions of literally pulling the spearhead into yourself. Finally but definitely not covering it all fully extended on a thrust the spear head would be completely lined up with your torso center mass. As happens often with staff fighting if your opponent had his hand clipped and had lost positive control of his staff and managed to slip your jab, he could simply grab your spear and run it the fuck through your absolutely retarded ass. >>You are a larping homosexual, eat shit and die.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Kek how did they found the North without a compass? North South East West weren’t invented yet, retard!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
North South refers to up and down when striking. One should know that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>South is down
That’s not how North and South work.
OMG you’re made of stupid.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imagine being this big of a samefag on every thread. >>says something retarded, gets proven wrong, runs with goalposts
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>fat closeted fag sits in shitty apartment with sweaty brown shirt on while ignoring his kids and immigrant while longing for one more night with the ladyboys
Koping and resorting to insults when your idiotic stupidity is exposed.
You’re still wrong anyway.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>fat closeted fag sits in shitty apartment with sweaty brown shirt on while ignoring his kids and immigrant while longing for one more night with the ladyboys
>I'll just grab the spear
is the pre modern equivalent of those krav maga gun disarm larps.
not that it couldn't happen but you're counting on your opponent to be really slow/sloppy
I'm not the one who brought up fighting with a spear backwards. I'm just the guy pointing out that the suggestion is retarded.
For the record we had to as part of out training use the quarterstaff
>not the one who brought up fighting with a spear backwards.
neither am I you immense fucking retard? you replied to me, not the other way around. i only brought it up because multiple people had.
I'm not the one who brought up fighting with a spear backwards. I'm just the guy pointing out that the suggestion is retarded.
For the record we had to as part of out training use the quarterstaff
>Oh nooo, you can’t use your weapon backward! >The pointy end will kill you!
Morons.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
first of all, i had nothing to say about it, i just didn't pretend to be some other anon.
second, the reasons to half-sword don't apply to a spear. you could strike with it, but there's no particular reason to invert it.
Compensating for small peepee?
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sounds of your pained wails after being impaled on the CHAD spear
toothpick*
It's not a tooth pick, it's a spear and they're god tier.
Compensating for being a midger?
I Was Reincarnated In Another World With A Spear And A Small Peepee But Now I’m A Gay Greek
Achilles would fucking destroy you
>gets fucked by arrows
OP says melee not ranged dipshit
>gets fucked by dagger at close range because pikes are worthless against heavily armoured men
No they aren't.
Much more than a simple bo staff
>sword>spear
Only it's a 180 cm zweihander
The Romans btfo the Macedonians using short swords THOUGH
Anyway spears > swords indeed but only when you are mounted
Roman's had ranged weapon and tactical superiority.
That's like saying Patton beat people with his colt revolver. Sure, that and the tanks.
>spears are better than swords
>well swords are better but only big swords
>well small swords are better too but only due to tactical superiority!
Want to keep backpedaling?
Do you think this entire thread is just (you) and one other person?
Romans could use small swords because they carried a small door around as well. They also had spear roles and used them as the last line of defence.
>they carried a small door
To where did the door open to?
death
Romans were throwing spears before grabbing their swords
>Romans were throwing spears before grabbing their swords
Yeah, they threw the trash away before fighting with the superior weapon.
Spearfags are fags.
Patton was an avid fencer thoughbeit therefore fencers with swords beat Germany
Sword>tanks>guns>spears
Swords + shields.
A fucking stick
There's a reason late antiquity/early middle ages ended up with armies with more sword and shields than spears and shields
And late medieval dropped the shield completely and went full pike/spear (never understood the difference)
Pike is a 2 handed spear, maybe?
A lance is a spear that can be thrown (at least originaly, even if later ones were too long & heavy while keeping the name by tradition), maybe?
And a spear is a spear.
I may be wrong, but i’m satisfied with it. And no weapon classification has ever been ”perfect”.
They lost to romans with swords*~~
Spear is a footman's stick
Pike is a long footman's stick which restricts cavalry charges but only in a proper formation
Lance is a horseman's weapon used to perform couched attacks (when the lance is held under the shoulder and the horseman does hot push it but uses horse's speed instead). But it can be used as a spear from horseback, although it would be unwieldy
I'm sorry but all the zweihander stuff is a gay duelist larp
But the Roman used sword
>Destroys your shitty spear and beheads you
Spearfags blown the fuck out
A zweihander is a sword shaped spear.
Swordfag kope.
>a sword shaped spear
Cope levels off the charts.
Just once on this board, I would like to see someone spell landsknecht correctly. Just once. It's not like it's even very hard. A lands-knecht is a servant of (or from) the land, the english equivalent would be lands-knight. That's two letters different from the proper german spelling. Two (2) letters. Get your shit together you fucks.
Lansquenet.
Welch eynen verschissenen Unfug schicktest du dich zur Hölle nochmal an, über das heilige römische Reych in die Welt herauszuthragen, du Lustknabe? Seyd drumb in Kennthnisz gesetzet, dass min threue Sünderseele meynes Gewalthauvns besther Landsknecht gewesen und an Schwerthzügen gegen holländische Rebellen meynen Theil trug, derer nicht nur zahlreych, sondern auch occulter Natura waren. Dem Herrgotth gefihl es, dreimalhunderth Feynde durch das Werk meyner Hände umbkommen zu lassen. Geschuhlth im Kleynkrieg sowie als ersther Arkebusier des Exercitus Imperii bist du nichts denn einer weytheren Ordre. Mit einer von Christenouge ungeschauter Genauigkeyth, wird das von mir für dich zugedachte Ende seyn, so wahrhafftig mir der allmächtige Herrgotth beysteht. Gibst Du dich wahrlich dem Irrglauben hin, sondergleychen Deppeschen an das Publikum richten zu vermögen imstande zu seyn? Bedenk deynen Irrtum, Dirnenbock! Just als du dieser Zeylen lesend ansichtig wirst, fand meine congregatio occulta von Ränkeschmieden in allen Reichslanden bereyths die Lage deyner Scholle, also erwahrthe den Sturm, du Schweinehund. Du bist verschiszen toth, Bursche. Ich vermag dich immer und überall in hundert Weysen zu erschlagen und das nur Kraft meyner blanken Hände. Nicht genug, als der Christenheyth besther Schwertfürer geboren zu seyn, auch das gesammelte Arsenal des teutschen Keysers Heer seynd mir zu Händen gereycht; dies dargeboten wird es meynem Anschickem nützlich seyn, das dir von Gott zugetheilte ärschlich anmuthend Antlitz aus Evropa zu thilgen. Wärest du im Wissen um die unheiligen Consequencia deiner Publicatio gewesen, vielleicht hätte deiner listig Zunge Kunde keyne zukünftig Damnatio geborgen. Doch sie ward verwerflich und dieser Schuld gilt es nun Buße zu thragen, du von Gott verdammter Narr. Gerechter Zorn soll bis zu deynem Ersticken über dir ausgeschissen seyn. Du bist beim Teuffel nochmal toth, Kindt.
I'll take both. Plus a bow, mace, and shield.
>armed with the sword
>image KILLS the sword fag
What did he mean by this?
Go ahead, tell them they're homosexual for using swords and not spears. I'm sure it will work well.
OP has never trained. Never held a spear. Never held a sword. Never held a mace.
Spears and pikes are okay in formation, but with a single-handed arming sword, and no shield or other weapon, I regularly demolish insufferable spearfags 1-on-1.
> Feint or bait an attack
> Grab spear with off hand
> Strike to the arm/shoulder/neck
It's almost too easy, especially as most spearfags are poorly trained and unathletic, looking for "the meta" or whatever the fuck.
No you don't, and if you do, you're either using a shit system, or are fighting total retards.
Quarterstaff beats spear in single combat
What if I hit you with a spear same way you hit me with a quarterstaff?
That pointy bit at the end and the overall less mass of the spear does not lend itself to being used like a quarter staff against a quartestaff.
Pretty much every blow with a quarterstaff in the hands of someone with practice in it results in skeletal damage.
>flip spear around
>beat you with the shaft
Now what fag?
spear around
Ahhh, drop anything in my hands grab the shaft or your spear and run the now pointed at you pointy bit right through you while yelling check out this fucking retard and pissing on your corpse.
>>what if I point the dangerous end at myself
Did you think this was a legitimate gotcha?
Tell me retards, when you hold a spear do you have the shaft pointed directly at you? Think carefully.
bit towards enemy
Aww, you couldn't figure it out.
>>what if I turnt mah Speer around with the pointy sharp end near me instead of you?
you couldn't figure it out
Based retard poster
You still don't get it. You're a fucking retard. There's no point in even trying to explain anything to you because you lack the ability to comprehend anything I might say. I'm amazed you're even able to use the Internet.
I'm amazed you don't realize that you don't turn a spear around and use it like a quarterstaff due to the insane amount of times the head of the spear would potentially cross and hit your legs torso and arms while doing so.
Even the Greeks with the lizard killer used a North South motion when using it to dispatch the wounded.
But I'll go into it anyway. The quarter staff is talked about in four even sections. Basically you can hold it by the last two sections in a high, or low gaurd. Both would put the spear head in a nasty position for your legs and potentially brushing your arms. Holding the mid quarters one would be in SEVERE danger in several positions of literally pulling the spearhead into yourself. Finally but definitely not covering it all fully extended on a thrust the spear head would be completely lined up with your torso center mass. As happens often with staff fighting if your opponent had his hand clipped and had lost positive control of his staff and managed to slip your jab, he could simply grab your spear and run it the fuck through your absolutely retarded ass.
>>You are a larping homosexual, eat shit and die.
Kek how did they found the North without a compass? North South East West weren’t invented yet, retard!
North South refers to up and down when striking. One should know that.
>South is down
That’s not how North and South work.
OMG you’re made of stupid.
Imagine being this big of a samefag on every thread.
>>says something retarded, gets proven wrong, runs with goalposts
Koping and resorting to insults when your idiotic stupidity is exposed.
You’re still wrong anyway.
>>fat closeted fag sits in shitty apartment with sweaty brown shirt on while ignoring his kids and immigrant while longing for one more night with the ladyboys
>Not Using spears/javelins, a shield and a sword.
They are complementary weapons.
Guns were shit until they became spears.
But he has both a sword and a spear? I don't see how that image kills anyone
>SPEARS are better than ACK!
>not having both + sling + axe + mace
Poorfags, all of you.
Sorry bro, but slings mog both.
Based and Davidpilled
There is no need to use such hateful slave merchant language.
It is hateful and dehumanizing to my people in Jesus Christ.
>I'll just grab the spear
is the pre modern equivalent of those krav maga gun disarm larps.
not that it couldn't happen but you're counting on your opponent to be really slow/sloppy
You have never been in a parry and thrust situation with staffs and it shows larper
have you considered that fighting with sticks is for children and a staff is not a spear?
I'm not the one who brought up fighting with a spear backwards. I'm just the guy pointing out that the suggestion is retarded.
For the record we had to as part of out training use the quarterstaff
>not the one who brought up fighting with a spear backwards.
neither am I you immense fucking retard? you replied to me, not the other way around. i only brought it up because multiple people had.
>Oh nooo, you can’t use your weapon backward! >The pointy end will kill you!
Morons.
first of all, i had nothing to say about it, i just didn't pretend to be some other anon.
second, the reasons to half-sword don't apply to a spear. you could strike with it, but there's no particular reason to invert it.
Swords were often sidearms in ancient times, while spears were primary arms.
Both are useful. The spear was like the rifle and the sword was like the pistol.
The sling was deadly beyond the effective range of both, yet requires skill.
Just as today, long range precision shooting is a trained skill, takes work.