Space Weapons

What weapons would be utilized in space warfare? If me and the boys had to assault a moon base or a big rotating space colony, what are we bringing with us? How about fighting in zero g, like lets say you figured out a way to catch a ship with a big space net or something.

What weapons are you going to use to board it? Do regular guns even work in space?

I think pellet guns and crossbows make a lot of sense since they aren't going to spin you around and shit with recoil and they aren't going to punch holes in your ships and some delicate equipment as easily.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    M2 Browning, M1911

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Missiles and railguns
      for the space muhreens, something along the lines of

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hyper velocity long rods

    Lasers are a meme.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well hold up, isn't there a good argument for lasers in space because there wouldn't be anything to disrupt or break up their photons and such? It's just the vacuum of space- literally nothing. So if someone was on a moon walk and you wanted to melt their head off then maybe you'd have your assault shuttle equipped with some shoulder mounted laser cannons you could have power cords tethered to where you use your space propulsion pack to push yourself towards the mission objective but your shoulder mounted laser bazooka is tethered to your shuttle.

      It makes sense anyways because you would be tethered to your shuttle so you don't accidentally float away from the battlefield and to your certain death into the vacuum of space.

      I figure using the assault shuttle engine as a power source for your anti personnel laser makes sense and it would need to be pretty big and have a large power source connected to actually kill someone in a reasonable amount of time.

      There's nothing to break up your photons, the energy transfer is light speed and its basically the best environment to use a laser AND it has absolutely no recoil to it whatsoever so you can just use it without having to correct your movement with your booster pack.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Damn you wrote a whole novel of midwit garbage. The real issue with lasers is focal length, you'd need a massive diode to have a laser capable of space combat. Pretty much the whole ship would be a diode and the power supply

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not in the circumstance where you've already made it close enough to actually assault and board a ship/space colony/asteroid base in that situation you're in killing range with laser technology we currently have today.

          After watching styropyro's videos and a couple other people who have fooled around with making the biggest lasers they can- you can absolutely put a power plant big enough for a laser which could be used for anti personnel on a tank or infantry fighting vehicle. It's just not that practical yet because there aren't enough drones or loitering munitions the vast majority of what the vehicle is even capable of carrying in the first place is going to be the battery, it would have to be stripped down and remade. We're talking about a brand new vehicle where the vast majority of the weight is going to be battery and other shit and all its going to be able to do is what an LMG can already do but slightly better and slightly faster.

          It's very much so going to be a thing when battlefields are absolutely swarmed and flooded with drones, they have already deemed it necessary to put giant ass anti UAV lasers on ships.

          But space it does make sense because you dont have to course correct yourself in the slightest. There is no weight to it, no recoil. You are free of recoil with a laser. You point it at your target and you switch it on like a flashlight, the end. If it's a powerful enough laser it fucking melts whatever it is you're trying to melt and it is 100% accurate as long as you are 100% accurate. It is light speed death with no atmosphere whatsoever that it must travel through before it reaches its target, no oxygen, no h2o, no carbon, no nothing. Nothing is breaking up the photons or the beam unless you are surrounded by space dust or something.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >not in this scenario that's completely impossible because you were detected and intercepted 10000 miles away from the station
            Another waterfall of midwit drivel.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nah you're just narrow minded and lack any ability to think strategically. It's really funny that you're quick to call people midwits when you're actually the midwit. Please keep doing that, it's entertaining.

              Why not build decoys which mimic the heat signature of your ship? You identify the characteristics by which you can be seen from far away, you confuse the person looking at you buy building decoys which mimic these characteristics. Maybe you build as many of them as you have the resources to build and that's the way you confuse the enemy?

              If you have a large number of decoys which travel with your ship in a defensive network then why wouldn't you do that if you have the resources for it. Sure you'll lose a lot of them but then you'll just have to build more before you attack something else.

              Maybe you position your ship in the defensive decoy network in a particular location within it, meaning they'll have to destroy all of the decoys before they can properly identify and target your ship. Maybe you have the space equivalent of patriot batteries on your decoys so they can also shoot down some enemy munitions before they get shot down.

              Use your imagination for one cotton picking second, you'll realize eventually what you have yet to consider as an option for attack. Have you even read anything on military strategy at all? Do you know anything about deception and misdirection?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i have no understanding of the velocities involved in space travel and think i can apply video game logic to real life
                You're right, i was wrong for calling you a midwit, you're a full blown mongaloid reward.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I mean if we're just going to call each other names then you're just a troll and a homosexual.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, you're an uneducated fool talking out of his ass about a subject he has no understanding of. Go back to watching star wars and finish rotting your infantile brain.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Pretty much the whole ship would be a diode and the power supply
          is that supposed to be an issue?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Where do you fit the boarding party retard? Where do you fit the fuel to make the incredible delta v costly maneuvers to intercept and board an enemy traveling the opposite direction from you in space? Do you even understand how an orbit works or how to transfer out of it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Inverse Square Law and kinetics can just ignore them of built right.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "You and the boys" aren't going to assault anything. It's like assaulting a fortress in the middle of a 100 miles square completely flat field with retired boomer length grass and bedrock 10 cm below the roots. You're also mandated to carry a reflective vest and have 15 head lamps on. The other fortress boomers are in a league of lawn owners and constantly radio everyone's whereabouts be it suHispanicious or not. You could try to bullshit your way in but not even your anal cavity is safe from their search(which occurs 4 miles away from their fortress). You could go in unarmed but they most likely are somewhat suHispanicious and force you to wear a portable lie detector with you.
      Point being: you cannot assault any semi isolated space structures traditionally. Of course you could come with greater firepower and just force them to surrender but normal assaults carry little to no effect. Hostage situations might make a decent reason for assault though but if they have any controls of the surveillance and armaments it's doomed. Humans can't survive +10gs for any significant time so you go in slow, and thus perceivable or you go in as a mush of meat.

      This if you want to blow shit up. Preferably you have some tungsten rods constantly flying around the local space at semi relativistic speeds so you only have to burn fuel for course corrections and not acceleration. Throwing stuff fast is kind of visible with at least conventional means, but couple degrees of correction light hours away might fly under the radar. Lasers aren't a meme at "close range" which is propably in the couple hundredths of a light second. And propably will be the dominant armamen't in close vacuum combat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Do regular guns even work in space?
        Yes, though you'd ideally use vacuum rated lubricants.
        Propellants and primers are self-contained re: oxidizers and the case contains the gas well enough to allow heat transfer to the other grains. Try to ignite loose powder in a vacuum and you do is push the unlit grains away.
        Cold welding is technically possible but honestly unlikely to actually matter except in terms of total service lifetime of the rifle.
        >I think pellet guns and crossbows make a lot of sense since they aren't going to spin you around and shit with recoil and they aren't going to punch holes in your ships and some delicate equipment as easily.
        Pellet guns are mediocre - limited power, limited capacity, usually crappy self-loading.
        Crosbows rely on aerodynamics, are temperature sensitive, and you're screwed if you need follow up shots.
        Basically both get you killed if the other side have guns.

        >Humans can't survive +10gs
        You can go significantly faster if you're willing to do water immersion. Pic related assumes air breathing, if you can figure out a way to do liquid breathing (and get them combat ready afterwards in a reasonable time) then you can get to truly ridiculous g loads.
        Your conclusion is probably still right outside of false flags and terrorism though. The potential gains are just interesting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Damn I'm about to educate you homie.
          >Pellet guns are mediocre - limited power, limited capacity, usually crappy self-loading.
          That's this then? https://youtu.be/bu0ak_Cf-eg This is only one example of many, but even DIY air guns have been built to specifications that completely debunk everything you just said about pellet guns. And yes, they are still pellet guns, they still shoot pellets. They are just larger diameter pellets.

          Even nitro piston break action pellet guns have variations that easily reach 1200 FPS and have magazines which feed into the chamber when you pump the gun by using the break action. Not even really small magazines either, creating a weapon that is more similar to a repeater. That's even with what you're talking about.

          The limited power you criticize is still perfectly lethal with proper shot placement, kind of like saying 22lr isn't lethal with proper shot placement. It absolutely is, and also completely depends on the pellet you use. All of this is kind of irrelevant and would mostly be a budget option, because things like PCP air guns exist, like the Hatsan Blitz.

          >and you're screwed if you need follow up shots
          Well then just use a Joerg Sprave repeating crossbow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drQnaLXkifo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >That's this then? https://youtu.be/bu0ak_Cf-eg
            Ah yes, 1/3 the energy of 22lr and rotary magazines that make helicals look perfectly reliable when you put them in any adverse conditions, or when you use them to much, or sometimes just because they don't want to today. That's a viable combat weapon in an environment where even the civilians are wearing several layers of aramid.
            >The limited power you criticize is still perfectly lethal with proper shot placement, kind of like saying 22lr isn't lethal with proper shot placement. It absolutely is, and also completely depends on the pellet you use.
            Ah fuck, you almost had me. I legitimately thought you were serious until this. You earned this (you)

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That depends on how savage you want to be. In a universe where all of humanity lives in big space balloons it's probably not cricket to pop one, lest you get your own popped. In that case you're looking at infiltrators with weapons that won't blow a hole in the colony bigger than the auto-repair mechanisms can handle, OR some kind of ritualized combat like in Robot Jox. You could also give warning to the colony that you're about to ruin their lives, give them time to get into airtight shelters, and then fuck a giant hole in the wall where there didn't used to be one and laugh while all their air blows out into the vaccuum. Then you could just float in and take whatever the fuck it is you wanted to take or do whatever it is you wanted to do, and you will still be a Bad Guy but not a genocidal nutcase.
    ONeil type colonies have three vectors. The walls that people live on will be a metal skin with meters of concrete and maybe several internal layers for utilities to move through. The walls that let in light will be made of some space age bullshit that has yet to be invented, so who fucking knows. The end caps of the cylinder are probably your best bet for infiltration as there will probably exist airlocks to exploit and maybe hangars to punch into to establish a beachhead. A specialized module that attaches to a bulkhead, creates a seal, and then creates a hole through the bulkhead to establish a new airlock would probably be something that needs to exist for forced entry if you don't want to bottleneck your forces at structural airlocks that you might damage trying to break through them anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What would you do for an enemy ship that you've managed to catch while its in dock or conducting mining operations- maybe if you've built a trap in a place you already know their going to be to catch them mid-flight? How would you conduct a boarding action in that scenario?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What this dude says is pertinent

        "You and the boys" aren't going to assault anything. It's like assaulting a fortress in the middle of a 100 miles square completely flat field with retired boomer length grass and bedrock 10 cm below the roots. You're also mandated to carry a reflective vest and have 15 head lamps on. The other fortress boomers are in a league of lawn owners and constantly radio everyone's whereabouts be it suHispanicious or not. You could try to bullshit your way in but not even your anal cavity is safe from their search(which occurs 4 miles away from their fortress). You could go in unarmed but they most likely are somewhat suHispanicious and force you to wear a portable lie detector with you.
        Point being: you cannot assault any semi isolated space structures traditionally. Of course you could come with greater firepower and just force them to surrender but normal assaults carry little to no effect. Hostage situations might make a decent reason for assault though but if they have any controls of the surveillance and armaments it's doomed. Humans can't survive +10gs for any significant time so you go in slow, and thus perceivable or you go in as a mush of meat.

        This if you want to blow shit up. Preferably you have some tungsten rods constantly flying around the local space at semi relativistic speeds so you only have to burn fuel for course corrections and not acceleration. Throwing stuff fast is kind of visible with at least conventional means, but couple degrees of correction light hours away might fly under the radar. Lasers aren't a meme at "close range" which is propably in the couple hundredths of a light second. And propably will be the dominant armamen't in close vacuum combat.

        There is no "sneaking around" in space. It's one of the reasons I suggest ritualized warfare replacing earthbound notions of maneuver warfare. Simple telescopes and a spreadsheet would be everything you'd need to keep tabs on other colonies. Military buildup would be telegraphed FAR in advance of deployment. You would need ridiculous overmartch to ignore this fact, and at that point why are you fucking with some shit poor colony of redneck algae farmers anyway?
        The real threat is the Jovians. Untrustworthy gas huffers have always been a problem.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If there was an object in the way (most the time there wouldn't be, I admit) you would obviously travel from behind it towards your target after already identifying it. Of course that means it would have seen you when you saw it, that doesn't mean it knows for sure where you are after you've gone behind what you're now behind. Also there might be means to confuse sensors and telescopes as to what exactly you are, you could try to make your ship look like something else to confuse your target. Hell maybe some day we will come up with ship camouflage that means that if you looked at it through a telescope or camera or what have you- you're not going to see anything. What's a stealth bomber or stealth fighter in modern warfare terms?

          Why do certain planes have a radar cross section of a golf ball and some have the radar cross section of a beach ball? Why do people use these terms if there wasn't a way to confuse or disrupt sensors and equipment used for enemy identifications.

          Not only that, but what if you came in fast. Old school ramming strategy where you rammed their vessel or outpost with your ship and your ship was made for it and then you came out of your ship and you fucking gatted homies down.

          Think about it, you're not being creative enough or thinking outside of the box enough. You're trapped in a linear close minded head space.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you're not being creative enough
            and you're just making shit up and wondering about non-sequiters.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              None of the shit I'm mentioning is a non-sequitur. I'm am literally presenting solutions to the issue that you present with the scenario that you're referring to. The issues you lay out in assaulting a ship or space outpost or space colony or what have you, these exact issues. I am proposing possible solutions. I am then asking you to break them down and scrutinize them so we can possibly have a conversation about these theoretical concepts. Instead you decide to claim that they are non-sequitur and I've prematurely come to my conclusions. You're not even interested in having the conversation, instead you'd just like to call someone a midwit instead of engaging in scrutinizing the ideas presented.

              You realize this is an imageboard where we discuss weapons and military equipment. This particular thread is about theoretical strategies and weapons that a military or military group might use.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pocket moondust

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based on what I know about the lunar regolith, it would probably be a fucking nightmare to deal with in the wrong places.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also some people in this thread are going to say things like "why not just blow them up" well you probably want to steal their stuff, so you're not trying to blow it all up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you are capable of interstellar travel or sustainable offworld colonies you don't need anyone else's resources.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ships were valuable enough to capture instead of sink basically until modern industrial steel production took off in the pre-Dreadnought era

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >space is just like da ocean
          There's that midwit brain kicking in. If you can travel between stars, you have absolutely no need of anyone else's vessel because you can create one at will through nanofabrication. If you are envisioning some near future scenario where we use the current tech, then you don't even bother boarding another vessel because you would burn every bit of your fuel trying to intercept and match their velocity and vector.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ships are valuable, expensive, and require specialized workforces to build. You might as well disable it compel it to surrender, repair it, and use it yourself, even if it's just a decoy or an ice cream barge or whatever.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Again, how to you plan on even getting to it? The delta v required to intercept and dock with a ship completely negates the whole concept. You would have to send a large combat vessel with SAR, refining, and foundry capabilities on an explicit mission to intercept and capture an enemy vessel. For the cost involved you may as well send them out to an asteroid and mine it instead. There's no value in space combat unless you need to destroy an aggressor or a rival, the costs and effort involved in recovery render it completely pointless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You just intercept it on whatever your patrol was, like for the vast majority of naval warfare.
                > You would have to send a large combat vessel with SAR, refining, and foundry capabilities on an explicit mission to intercept and capture an enemy vessel.
                Why would you need all of this? You just need to make it work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you probably have very good recycling and salvaging tech already built into your space society so making your enemies into a debris field is probably ok from a resource perspective. The real deterrent is probably mutual annihilation because your society handles enormous energies in various forms on the daily which can all be weaponised

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Space is fake

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >collapses you into two dimensions with an escape velocity of light speed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >evacuates the whole planets population onto an interstellar party cruise with drugs and (homo)sex
      >hyperspaces behind you
      >asks you to act nicer or the next time the suppraluminal effector does worse things than beam goattse to your visual cortex
      >sends depressed art hoe equivalent on espionage mission to your barbaric civ
      >backed by >tfw to smart to not act like deus ex machinas ships
      >overthrows your chink ayyolmaology civilization
      Nothing personnel forestcel, see you in the sublime, if you make it that far that is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >GSV Reply Or Your Mother Dies In Her Sleep Tonight

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >GSV Reply Or Your Mother Dies In Her Sleep Tonight

        Been re-reading the whole 13-14 book collection. Damn but Banks was either a fucking psycho or the booze was really fucking his mind up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Culture really is shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ball is so op
        strong interaction materials need nerf

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mortars and howitzers. Your cylinder colony is going to have atmospheric regions with very consistent:
    >temperatures
    >winds (direction and speed)
    >humidity levels
    And the elephant in the room: from a significant portion of the battleground, your opponent is above you. And because of how gravity is generated in these structures, within certain trajectories your projectiles don't go up and down- they go down and down, greatly increasing your range because you can eventually win the fight with gravity. It's math any competently educated engineer could do in their junior year, tops.
    >muh structural strength
    There are a variety of payloads that wouldn't damage a structure strong enough to support the loads involved in an orbital habitat but would still kill the hell out of you.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    War in space would arguably be pointless so I don't see it developing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well so is most war on earth. Only differences might be that ethnic wars aren't fought about land but overall dominance or out of chains of suspisions rising from exponentially dangerous tech. Humanity has been close to but never quite achieved absolute military dominance between factions where you didn't need to sacrifice almost anything to totally wipe out your enemy. That might not always be the case and especially the feared potential for such thing isn't going to be the case. If space muslims start to develop some superintelligence/militarizable megastructures etc you can be sure every israelite inside the oort cloud starts screeching for first strike and vice versa. Not even light hours of distance between is enough to quench the genocidal thirst and the assumption that the other side has similar thoughts drives a man to Total X Death button.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No, there could be incredibly rare resources on certain planets- there could be large swathes of territory claimed by a particular faction or entity for the purposes of asteroid mining. There's valuable H2O, heavy metals, potentially things that could be processed via chemistry into usable fuel sources. If you found uranium or gold that's highly valuable for several hundred reasons. If someone has landed next to or is attempting to wrangle an asteroid in some way that you can clearly see has a huge abundance of a highly valuable materials and/or frozen water that you desperately need for your people on your vessel then you're going to pull some crazy ass shit.

      Not only that but what would be even better than just icing them is icing them and stealing their shit so the art form we're talking about would involve not blowing everything to smithereens and being able to take over their operation with their tools, supplies, equipment, etc.

      It sounds nuts considering how big space is but not when you understand just how slow light speed travel is. No one is going to bother traveling light years, to safely speed up and slow down while going any significant % the speed of light requires slow acceleration and deceleration and for you to have mapped out where you're going ahead of time to be aware of all potential pitfalls or issues that might take you off course or into a dangerous area of space.

      So space faring civilizations are in fact going to be traveling fairly slow and their coveted territories are going to most likely be in or near the solar system at the very least. If we're talking about any realistic scenario involving near future technology.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    tiny wasps in spacesuits to he unleashed upon unsuspecting enemy astronauts

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How would ground force fighting work inside O'neill cylinder? If you wanted to hide you would have to get close to the enemy lol.

    >Look up
    >See the opposite side of the habitat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not really that different from the modern surveilled battlefield tbh. Hitting something across that distance would be hard without computers.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If i had to choose anything from current weaponary It would be necked down/saboed calibers going at 4500 ft/s. Faster velocities, better penetration and lower imparted momentum on the shooter for the same damage in zero g. Pellet guns is an interesting idea since most hyper velocity guns(used for satellite protection studies) are light gas guns operating in a vacuum. You could maybe reach +10 machs in space with hand held stuff since the vacuum is free and drag doesn't affect your couple grain bullet. Maybe some stupidly pressurized hydrogen is enough or a hybrid with gun powder piston -> pressurized hydrogen is the way to go. https://youtu.be/k6g9Yv8LwOU?feature=shared&t=167

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pop a hole in it from an AU away with an UREB. Or just give everyone cancer by irradiating it for a while and mop up what's left of the inhabitants.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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