Soviet Reconnaisance Doctrine

> Staffed by best trained highly motivated manpower.
> Screen mechanized maneuver by becoming 20th century equivalent of velites.
> Main methord of recconoitering an entrenched enemy is by baiting themselves.
> conduct said mission in picrel junk
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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviet Reconnaisance Doctrine
    Send single use soldiers to draw enemy fire and obtain their position

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >picrel junk
    its a decent 4x4 that can float
    as for protection... don't get spotted is probably maximum safe level it can handle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >reconnoitre by baiting the enemy
      >don't be seen
      Hm.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      for le commando mission involving a couple vehicle sure. But in a divison level engagement where their main role is to screen the movement of the armored brigades?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Soviets assumed WW3 was going to go rapidly nuclear and that caring about human resources in military operations wasn't worth the effort. If your BRDM is destroyed but you reveal the enemy, you've done your job. The rest of the division will keep moving over your corpse.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Soviets assumed WW3 was going to go rapidly nuclear and that caring about human resources in military operations wasn't worth the effort.
      I've never understood this mentality. Military facilities are near the top of the first strike list, surely after a nuclear exchange you'd be wanting to preserve what little remaining (and organised) manpower you have left? Or is this just the usual Russian mindset that conserving human lives is too difficult and too much effort so it gets thrown in the too-hard basket?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's because the Soviet and Russian military doctrine regarding WMDs was that it was just another regular normal weapon like artillery.

        The communists assumed WW3 was going to be immediately nuclear because they would be dumping nukes everywhere, there would be motorized infantry battalions calling in nuke strikes on radios against US Army cavalry within hours of invading Germany and such.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          soviet on-paper doctrine was second strike only

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pre-emptive second strike anon, they absolutely planned to launch first but only once they were certain the capitalists were attacking.
            They did this because communist doctrine holds that it is literally impossible for a socialist country to start a war (only capitalists/imperalists/fascists can do that) and therefore it was simply neccesary for them to wait until they were certain war was afoot before striking

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Implying "socialist doctrine" has any bearing on how the Russians might wage war
              R e t a r d

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but nearly every Soviet armored vehicle came with NBC protection/detection system.
        I guess the idea is to basically use a tactical nuke and hope your vehicles don't get spotted by survivors and shot at while you traverse an irradiated battlefield.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is great misconceptions about Soviet Reconnaissance Doctrine.
    Soviet Reconnaissance troops DON'T CONDUCT OBSERVATION.
    Their main mission is taking prisoners for interrogation. Observation is conducted by usual troops.
    There is Soviet book about Soviet WWII recon (BTW all WWII Soveit archives regarding recon units are still classified in Russia). It provides statistics about number of missions Soviet combat recon executed and it's like 10% observation and 90% taking prisoners (also you can imagine that taking prisoners is mission taking massively more recources and support so it makes 99% of recon recources assigned to taking prisoners,). Aslo book goes on long rant how much Soveit command put importance on such source of information as prisoners, there were expamples provided that offensives were delayed until recon troops snatched prisoners in the planned offensive area (to estimate enemies strength).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's uh, quite the meaning of recon they were using...

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the police versions of these bathtubs.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the BRDM-2 isnt junk, its a very capable vehicle for its role

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP is a moron on top of being a homosexual

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i hate armaBlack person

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      brdm-2 is shittiest shitbox there is
      as a small offroad afv in the 60s?
      yeah ok it can do it although it would be better in police service.
      a a recon vehicle? they could at least bother to give some practical optics. its job is simply to die in screening. there is no shittier job

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >its job is simply to die in screening. there is no shittier job
        Again Soviet Reconnaissance doesn't do screening.

        There is great misconceptions about Soviet Reconnaissance Doctrine.
        Soviet Reconnaissance troops DON'T CONDUCT OBSERVATION.
        Their main mission is taking prisoners for interrogation. Observation is conducted by usual troops.
        There is Soviet book about Soviet WWII recon (BTW all WWII Soveit archives regarding recon units are still classified in Russia). It provides statistics about number of missions Soviet combat recon executed and it's like 10% observation and 90% taking prisoners (also you can imagine that taking prisoners is mission taking massively more recources and support so it makes 99% of recon recources assigned to taking prisoners,). Aslo book goes on long rant how much Soveit command put importance on such source of information as prisoners, there were expamples provided that offensives were delayed until recon troops snatched prisoners in the planned offensive area (to estimate enemies strength).

        Soviet mechanized infantry regiment (2000 men, about half size of the US brigade combat team) had recon "company" (actually more like platoon in strength, just 10 vehicles). It's absolutely not enough to conduct screening for regiment. Their role is sit attached to the regiment HQ, and then when needed advance to contact and grab prisoners and deliver them back to HQ.
        You can't compare them to NATO scouts, Soveits recon is more akin to NATO SoF platoon attached to the Brigade HQ to conduct special missions (taking POWs)

        Already mentioned Soviet book on Soviet recon describes "textbook" Soveit Recon frontline mission: it's "faked" assault, when standard units and recon unit together conduct limited assault (with artillery support too, artillery bombardment is great way to create confusion) against preferably isolated point in enemy defense, and mission is enter this point and then recons grab several prisoners and materials of interests (maps, records, weapons) and everyone fall back.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope, Soviet recon is supposed to drive forward until they get shot at to mark targets for enemy artillery

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again it's misconception.
            Screening was responsibility of standard units, its battalions and regiment commanders appointed their infantry or armor (depending what forces type were talking g a out) platoons and companies to conduct screening and observation.
            Recon missions were close to special forces missions.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              ESL detected, did your dad drown in a BRDM during an exercise or why are you this obsessed

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what exactly is this soviet book?

          because any assessment of soviet force structure like above or Field Manual 100-2-1 mentions that all soviet battlegroups had their own recce units for screening and a reinforced platoon sized Combat Recce Patrols being used for all normal recon roles ahead of a larger force with a focus on recon by fire (and they did actually perform normal mech recon not whatever GRU snatch team larp you have in mind). The CRP wasn't the entire recce force for an entire brigade just the part that wasn't subordinated to the main body of the brigade.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that all soviet battlegroups had their own recce units for screening and a reinforced platoon sized Combat Recce Patrols
            These patrols were formed from your usual infantry/armor units, not Recon units. Recon units were conducting special missions. Recon units could advance together with combat patrols, but again their mission would be Recon specific mission of taking POWs if contact with enemy happens, they are free to come and go executing this mission, they don't form screening line.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              do you have any sources on that claim?
              for me it just sounds like you try to justify that shitty design of a shitty recon afv with no proper optics

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Source is that Soveit book about WWII recon operations. If I found it in records again Ill post title.
                It doesn't state all SOP directly but you can derive Soviet Recon tactics from this text. It talks nothing but about taking POWs, just goes and goes about that business.
                Also fun fact: Soviets as cover doesn't call taking POWs mission as "taking POWs". It has neutral cover term "search".

                BTW this why Soviet Recon troops receive such special gear as silent rifles and pistols. Who the frick needs silent pocket pistol in combat? But it is very handy if you dress in enemy unform and roleplay as fake road checkpoint, come close for "ID check" then execute enemies point-blank with silenced pistols and grab surviving officer. In WWII it was notorious NKVD knife.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >These patrols were formed from your usual infantry/armor units, not Recon units

              CRPs and screening units aren't just ad hoc units each soviet unit had an organic recon force used for that role. Per FM-100-2-1

              >The organic reconnaissance battalion precedes its division on the march. Scout elements of the reconnaissance battalion may operate 50 kilometers forward of the division. A regiment is preceded by its organic reconnaissance company, whose scouts may operate 25 kilometers forward.

              Recon units are specialist units organic to the force they are scouting for because surprise its not 1920 and combined arms warfare exists. All the roles of the recon units are screening and scouting of enemy disposition. THE LITERAL ONLY MENTION of snatching prisoners is sayings its one of (but not the main) the missions of a separate recce patrol an ad hoc patrol subunit that could be formed for a specific recce task that's mentioned right before the larger CRP whose entire role is recon by fire.

              Why don't you post a source my Black person? Even if your fabled specialist recon units who totally don't do screening and scouting are real it would seem to be more of an autistico argument about names than a doctrinal difference since the soviet army had the traditional specialist recce units mentioned above baked to their force structure at ever level who deserve the title of soviet recon more than some mythical snatchgays who spend their time attached to Brigade HQ acting as foxhole femboys.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As for GRU speznaz they have same mission only at strategic depth. They would be inserted via air or prewar deployment (civilian undercover). During war they would be conducting abduction operation preferably targeting high ranked officers deep behind enemy lines.
            Same tactics they had during WWII.

            Aslo fun fact: Soviets had list of the things prohibited to publish, it was delivers to all newspapers and publishers editors. It's specifically mentions that prohibited to publish that Soviet Recon uses enemy uniforms to confusion, but it's allowed to print that Soviet partisans used such tactics. Soviet history publications had many mentions that "brave partisans captured enemy officers here and there behind enemies lines". Guess what? Partisanen were nothing more than smoke cover for for NKVD and GRU operations.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as opposed to what? this is what the average recon AFV looked like in most cold war militaries. small arms fire + shrapnel protection is as good as you can get.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It make more sense using BMPs or just outright MBTs to carry out their mission profile.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviet Reconnaisance Doctrine
    when the recon don't come back that means there is enemy in that area.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What tactics did the soviets use to make their prisoners talk the truth

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      forcing them to wear cat ears and skirts then sodomising them. I read it in an unnamed soviet book.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov
      In his "Speznaz" book he mentioned they filed teeth with the file.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s really mean

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