South Korea's BMP3 evaluation.

There's a toilet inside but they don't actually use it and use it as a space to load ammo.
Infantrymen on board right next to the engine suffer from the heat in the summer.
However, it has a stove-like effect in winter.
The exhaust of the engine flows into the room.
Machine guns in the red circle were not actually used, for ineffective reasons
There is a fuel tank in front of the driver's seat, which is very dangerous.
The infantry getting out of the armored vehicle had to push the heavy cover with their backs.
In reality, the crew came down from the turret and opened the cover.
Conclusion: Very poor environment for humans. High levels of soldiers fatigue.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When did South Korea get a bmp-3?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have like 40. Russians paid some debt in vehicles years ago.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1995

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They also have T-80.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soviets were very eager to pay their debts with products, but everything they did were of dogshit quality so people took military gear.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is said that they felt like heaven when they boarded k200 from BMP3.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen ziggers unironically assert that constant discomfort makes men better soldiers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every fricking military does that, never heard a "get comfortable being uncomfortable"?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No matter how you try to erase them or how blurred they get, the lines between hard and stupid, or common sense and lazy still exist.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know some officers from Finland who complained about getting the CV90 as replacements for their BMP's because
        >the BMP is horrible and all you want to do is t go outside and kill someone, but the CV90 is comfy and the guys want to stay inside

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't have nuance on "discomfort" versus miserable design hostile to humans. For them the concept of an Iron Maiden would be "discomfort" as much as eating buckets of shit while they burn in hell would be heavenly as they would be fed and warm.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's moronic because combat/soldiering is bad enough, no matter what you do to make it better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Constant discomfort?
        Good.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't have nuance on "discomfort" versus miserable design hostile to humans. For them the concept of an Iron Maiden would be "discomfort" as much as eating buckets of shit while they burn in hell would be heavenly as they would be fed and warm.

        that's moronic because combat/soldiering is bad enough, no matter what you do to make it better.

        >I've seen ziggers unironically assert that constant discomfort makes men better soldiers
        common eastern philosophy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean when your job relies on you being miserable in trenches, crawling on your belly to not get perforated during an attack, getting shot at constantly and possibly dying slowly and painfully because of your injuries, I can see someone accustomed to discomfort fairing better than your average joe.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if your enemies are well fed, you win
          Come on comrades, if you don't chip your teeth on frozen potatoes you won't be basass enough to join the next "human" wave!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nta
            You are missing the point or being disingenuous on purpose.
            People with low standard of living can tolerate harsher contitions of war or in general, than people with better living standards.
            After all. humans are also a by product of thein environment, some guy living in the frozen tundra in Siberia will naturally be different than a Muscovite. Its why Germans refused to surrender and fought to the death against asiatic siberians. Since the siberians were brutal to captured Germans.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you can't learn how to survive in adverse conditions during your training then your training has failed to prepare you. Armies march on their stomachs and asiatic siberians fed diets of American spam and beef will beat superior Aryan warriors fed with sawdust and sawdust bullion cubes every time.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >stating the obvious and using exaggerated false dichotomies to deny subtler, harder to quantify facts which are clear to the experienced or honest
                It's all so tiresome. Rope yourself with a OR manual and join McNamara in hell, troon. Or failing that, read the WW2 AARs written by the US military drooling over the virtues of farmboys' fieldcraft compared to urbanites, paying special attention to the 1946 report on the Soviets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >paying special attention to the 1946 report on the Soviets.
                linky-poo for our benefit?

                t. different anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >constant discomfort makes men better soldiers
        So why have they not taken London yet?
        Is the anal rape of conscripts not constant enough or are they enjoying it?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >There's a toilet inside but they don't actually use it
    This sounds like an Indian BMP.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now we know why India rejected it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where is this, in relation to everyone else in the vehicle?
        It looks like there's a seat opposite it and to the side.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, your homies are sitting right next to you while taking a dump.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Conclusion: Very poor environment for humans.
    A very common Soviet/Russian issue, their equipment is either foolproof or not designed to actually be used by humans at all.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Infantrymen on board right next to the engine suffer from the heat in the summer.
    >However, it has a stove-like effect in winter.
    This is a moot point for me. This is like a basic ICE vehiche side effect.I've worked as a garbo on a large block L6 diesel and yes, I also felt intense radiating heat during summer times and a nice warm wave during winters. This is not a specific BMP-3 con. Not that I'm defending this steel coffin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. Proper design would include a firewall or heat insulation.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt the ROK Army uses them outside of OpFor exercises.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the best part about it is that + zero armor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's actually the BMD-4(M) turret which stores the ammo vertically like that. Given BMDs are 7.62x51/54 bait it only makes knowing that turret configuration much worse

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of, when will russia deploy the hordes of BMP-3's, Kurganets and T-14's that they have? Wasnt there plans for like 2200 armatas by 2025?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lel I remember back when Russia defaulted on a debt to Mexico back in the 90s they tried to offer these to Mexico as a substitute for cash payments but the Mexican army straight up said they were dangerous for troops to operate in combat and that just upgunning their old VCI or proto-Marders would be better. They also tried to pass off rotten caviar and helos with missing parts on Mexico too. Stupidly Mexico accepted the helos.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mexico is generally weirdly competent when it comes to knowing what it is realistically going to NEED as opposed to whatever bs is on the market people pitch at them. Most of their military choices in terms of kit are pretty logical and oriented towards their mechanized infantry focused military.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        True. They planned for mechanized infantry not rocket launched hamburger meat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They also tried to pass off rotten caviar and helos with missing parts on Mexico too. Stupidly Mexico accepted the helos.
      I might be remembering wrong but wasn't the deal made during the very last dying days of the USSR? And then a few years later when Mexico requested technical assistance with maintenance (at Russia's expense, as per the terms of their contract), Russia refused to help because the deal wasn't with the Russian Federation, it was with the USSR, so therefore they had no obligation to help.

      And that's after they caused an environmental disaster by dumping several shiploads of rotten fish just outside of Mexican territorial waters.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel a lot of this is nitpicking various faults/tradeoffs you will get with any ifv but the two side machine guns have always struck me as so fricking weird , im not surprised they are useless

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So if the Sorks have some, I guess that means that the Americans have a completely detailed analysis of it down to every last bolt.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, and? It's a metal box with guns. It's not an advanced radar system of fighter aircraft.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, but knowing exact vehicle capabilities (not the fake ones online) is extremely useful when planning to fight against an enemy.

        If you know equipment's exact capabilities, you can take steps to mitigate it.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of this reminds me of a post by a Finnish anon who wrote similar things, in particular about the engine and exhaust.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The exhaust of the engine flows into the room.
    exhaust is actually good for you

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    China hasn’t fought a war in 50 years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So how are they supposed to remedy this if its an issue? just invade random countries to get experience?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, Russia is currently in a very poor state and Manchuria, which is rightful Chinese clay, is right there, ripe for the taking. Just saying.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, obviously
        People who argue about muh oil are morons, we have to stay blooded is the true motivation behind our global 'peacekeeping'

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >blooded
          Heaven forbid we go more than 10 years without losing another war, commoners might develop a sense of pride and start demanding more from their government. Winning WW2 cost the elite a lot, the string of failure since cost a pittance & lowered expectations.
          >vatnig
          Correct, wanting America to be less shit is what the FSB taught/pays me for.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean the one with Vietnam where they got in a stand-up fight and lost?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, the one where Vietnam was preoccupied with fighting the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Machine guns in the red circle were not actually used, for ineffective reasons

    Those are some of the most pointless machinegun positions I have ever seen.
    How the frick are you supposed to aim them?
    Get the commander to lie on the track cover and hold on for dear life as the hull-locked gun is spun around in jerks and starts?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aim?
      No, they would be used in a mass Zergrush style assault. Massed MG fire in the general direction of the objective. It might suppress ATGM positions etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It makes more sense if you think of them as forward facing firing ports, a passenger sits behind each one.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yet, it is still better than the K-21, much like how the T-80 was better than the K1

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      T80 is no better than k1, except for the big gun..

      The Korean military will choose k1 not t80.

      K21 is trash, but it's better than bmp3 in every way

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think k1 is superior to t80 with an excellent shooting system even if has a small gun.

      If it's a night battle, t80 will never win.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is the T-80 better than the K1?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a consequence of the asiaticshill/armatard/assorted shill poisoning discussion by annoying posters enough to over compensate and claim their equipment is actually terrible and worse than Russian equivalents

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically the chinks ZBD-04 Is a way better BMP-3. It's more like the Warrior + BMP-3 turret: https://youtu.be/9kH7yAko6Qk?si=XP6L9pz8uUQlZ8b2

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >There is a fuel tank in front of the driver's seat, which is very dangerous.
    most mbts use fueltanks as driver armor, see the abrams for an example. diesel is not flammable like that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >diesel is not flammable like that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what is this supposed to prove?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ziggers can't into...

          >STOP, DROP, AND ROLL!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what is this supposed to prove?
          That diesel is flammable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It depends on the type of diesel fuel they're using. Kerosene for instance will combust. Though not as readily as gasoline

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BMP-3 looks like something a dumb video game dev created.

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