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These flash surpressors are fine right?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    moron

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. They do not reduce sound, nor can they be easily converted into a suppressor, so they are fine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They do not reduce sound
      They absolutely do lol but the ATF says they aren't suppressors and this shit is completely arbitrary anyway so who gives a shit.

      They're great.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well first off I've got 3 or 4 piece MDs on several AK. They're nowhere near as effective as my actual can but they definitely do make the gun quieter. And it makes sense: it's literally a single baffle suppressor with no end cap, so there's only one expansion chamber.
          Go compare strela's ukrainian product page to the english one. The only difference is that the ukrainian one advertises decibel reduction lol. They do this because they know it's a fine line they're riding with these being kosher in the states so they omit that from the english ad copy.
          >Convenient when used together with night sights (does not cause flare), also reduces the sound of a shot by 5-10%.

          These and every other similar design like the bulgy 4 piece, armacon volk, noveske flaming pig all come with a decibel reduction, and it's a noticeable one if you're behind or next to the gun. It's not a huge one certainly, but it absolutely is there.

          You're not gonna catch me complaining that the ATF made an arbitrary decision that benefits people though. Apparently in their minds the lack of an end cap is the deciding factor.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it absolutely is there
            it isn't, though. all they (along with linear comps) do is affect *where* the sound goes, so more of the noise goes downrange and less goes to the side and back towards the shooter. you get even more of that type of "sound reduction" simply by switching from a muzzle brake to a standard birbcage.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/wIwtd6x.jpg

              >

              They have a sealed chamber forward of the muzzle in which expanding combustion gases expend energy, it's thermodynamically impossible for them NOT to contain some of that noise.
              The ATF just swallows the line about "intent" regarding these single-chamber devices like the Strela or noveske flaming pig because the primary effect is flash reduction, but they can change their mind whenever they notice that they're displaying one ounce of mercy toward the people their master despises.

              https://i.imgur.com/dq5kldF.jpg

              Witt Machine claims their baffleless flash can can reduce sound so Imagine what real flash can with a single cone/baffle could do

              Yeah, that would be sick, until someone makes a long one, and then someone else makes a long one with the baffle placed further forwards.
              It's probably a good idea to wait until a few million are sold before testing the theory. If a company selling cheap bolt action hunting rifles started including them from the factory, and everyone shut their mouths for a few years, that would help lay the groundwork for "common use".
              But the more likely outcome is some moron like Kendall Grey will post a thumbnail with his inbred face gawking at a "LEGAL SILENCER?!?!?!?!" and the ATF will nip the legal question in the bud before anyone has enough skin in the game to fight them on it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Out of all the youtubers you choose Kendall Grey? Not this moron or all the other clickbait morons? Anon, I...give me those fricking quads.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Out of all the youtubers you choose Kendall Grey?
                Yes, I chose Kendall "hehe I just wounded an animal isn't that crazy senpai" Grey. But Matt Hoover is another if hating him is more to your taste.
                Oinkoink scholar sensationalizes every single action in court cases, but he doesn't release videos saying "hey ATF look at this".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How is the flash signature? Particularly on the Noveske?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're all about the same, which is to say excellent. IMO in terms of dollars:headache one of the best things you can put on the end of your gun, and I'd guess I'm probably the only non-nocanz ITT

              >it absolutely is there
              it isn't, though. all they (along with linear comps) do is affect *where* the sound goes, so more of the noise goes downrange and less goes to the side and back towards the shooter. you get even more of that type of "sound reduction" simply by switching from a muzzle brake to a standard birbcage.

              Sure and how much decibel reduction a given silencer gets you also changes dramatically depending on where you hold the sound meter lol.

              >you get even more of that type of "sound reduction" simply by switching from a muzzle brake to a standard birbcage.
              Except for the part where these devices have a blast chamber and a baffle that contains expanding and burning gases. Not as well as a device that has has 5-7 chambers, but the principal is literally the same lol. It's not just redirecting and explosion in one direction like a brake or linear comp does.

              >ATF says they aren't suppressors
              Because they tested them and they don't reduce the sound.

              Cool, link those tests for me real quick, because manufacturers in markets that aren't subject to the extremely specific wording of American law say that it does.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >he believed the marketing spin
                ngmi chud

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The "marketing spin" of the non-english description of a device that currently isn't even being sold outside of ukraine, that isn't included in the english description?

                Anon, I think "it doesn't make it quieter it makes it sound less loud" is more likely marketing spin to dodge the extremely specific legal definition of a suppressor in the US lol.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What does any of this have to do with the ATF's testing with a decibel meter?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ATF testing with a decibel meter
                May we see it?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              FYI - the strela is marginally more effective in this regard; the noveske forcing cone bore is slightly oversized (actually 9mm) for 5.56, I assume for legal purposes that the ATF wouldn't frick with them. The strela's bore is much tighter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >ATF says they aren't suppressors
        Because they tested them and they don't reduce the sound.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          a decibel meter is not equivalent to a human ear

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Witt Machine claims their baffleless flash can can reduce sound so Imagine what real flash can with a single cone/baffle could do

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      never seen one of these in person and every "review" of them on youtube is from somebody who received it from the company for free. makes me think it's bs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These are significantly louder and worse at signature reduction than strela style flash cans with a baffle in them.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m partial to my tabuk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sexo

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they're legal. They're also great and would recommend one if you've never used one before.
    They don't reduce sound but they redirect it downrange.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. they are technically a booster for gas guns
    2. they do reduce flash quite a bit
    3. they do direct sound downrange
    4. they do reduce sound levels for the shooter
    5. the sound levels down range are about the same due to the fact that cones amplify sound

    for me, its one of these or a thread protector
    also, make sure its tight to avoid damage, there are some versions without that little wire (use loctite)

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think these legal definitions are going to matter for much longer. Have fun and keep your family safe.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't think these legal definitions are going to matter for much longer.
      Correct. The ATF is objectively an unconstitutional organization and will be disbanded.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Right, right; the same government that is violating its own immigration laws on an industrial scale and sponsoring a foreign invasion will disband an agency designed to regulate firearms, because *some* of the government still plays by the rules. You fricking child.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well not with that attitude.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >im so blackpilled i believe the best course of action is violence
          Cool, the first thing we will do is remove the ATF
          >no, the government wont choose to play by the rules but for some reason you have to play by the rules AND despite me believing in complete social collapse I also dont think a government institution (the ATF) can be removed through any means
          you doomerfricks are moronic. You believe the government is going to collapse but they're also too powerful to overtake by force even during the collapse so dont even try.
          Frick you. Curl up and die at the hands of your oppressors like how you fantasize

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate the ATF so much

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's only fair, since they hate you too.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone know a store carrying those in Yurop?
    >Not sure the Ukrainian's exports are reliable right now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the only similar thing I saw were BT blast deflectors. BUt just buy a suppressor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but I want a bulgy trashcan for looks, not for performance

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoy mine, I kind of want to get one for an ar15 but I’m always confused about what these are actually for. Obviously they suppress flash very well but they are using a booster design so is the main function not to increase back pressure? If so why do they market the 5.56 one as 16” barrel and longer only?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Obviously they suppress flash very well but they are using a booster design so is the main function not to increase back pressure?
      No, the main function is signature reduction. They DO increase backpressure and get used in that capacity occasionally but devices that exclusively increase backpressure really haven't been a thing since the days of AKS-74Us which were spotty under full auto, and those krink boosters create a massive fireball from a short barrel gun. The bulgy 4-pieces were originally designed to retain the function of a krink booster without a 4 foot fireball every shot (and they accomplished that), but nobody is putting these on any AK with a barrel over 10" for increased backpressure.

      >If so why do they market the 5.56 one as 16” barrel and longer only?
      So again, as a function of the design, they DO increase backpressure. Short barrel carbine-gassed ARs are pretty hard on their gas systems and components like the bolt. Drastically lower bolt life for instance is just to be expected from a 10.3" AR vs a 16" even with the same length gas system simply because to mitigate the lack of dwell time you need to gape out the gas port. So something like these or a suppressor which drastically increases the backpressure is also concurrently going to drastically reduce the lifespan of high wear parts, and the people selling these don't want anyone crying to them when their bolt lugs shear after 3k shots, hence the warning. A smaller gas port or adjustable gas block just like you would use on a gun built for a suppressor solve the issue but sombody throwing a strela or flaming pig onto their gaped out PSA 10.5 is going to beat the absolute shit out of the gun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >why do they market the 5.56 one as 16” barrel
      They don't, it's for 14.5" (which is a common barrel length for a wide range of 5.56 service rifles, the M4 in particular). I find it funny that noveske advertises there explicitly for short barrels and the strela for longer barrels when they have they exact same design.
      From what I can tell on their website, I think they simply mean that it's the minimum barrel length in order to achieve the advertised "90% flash reduction". Shorter barrels make a larger flash.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was just looking at the CNC Warrior 4pc, Noveske, and Strela devices for a 16” 7.62x51mm. Out of these choices (and others) what is the best?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The noveske is the lightest, the strela works the best but is fricking huge (which is why it works the best, more volume in the blast chamber).

      The CNCWarrior works just as well as the noveske but is heavier duty. It's also the cheapest one by a pretty big margin.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it literally says so on it

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does Strela make one for the kp9?
    Given it’s blowback I don’t want to bother with a suppressor but I want something better than the stock brake.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i have a noveske on my brn180s in 5.56. it does a good job at redirecting the sound away from me and makes it a lot more pleasant to shoot. it throws massive fireballs with regular loadings though. i have some hornady black hdsbr ammo that is supposed to achieve full powder burn out of a 10" barrel, but i haven't tried it out yet.

    i am considering replacing it with a surefire brake + warden combo though. if it's true that they increase pressure to help with cycling, then i might not want it on mine since it's already gassed just fine and i don't want to put any extra wear and tear on the system. having a brake to help with recoil, and then a warden to redirect all that pressure might be a better option. still weighing my options.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tbh w a 10" 5.56, nothing is gonna get you what you're looking for except a suppressor.

      A warden over a 3 prong or whatever isn't going to work better than a noveske.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, suppressor really is the best option, but i don't want to give the feds a raid-me-whenever pass

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're missing out tbh, the 180s is an excellent suppressor host.

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