someone explain to me why, in 2022 anno Domini, the second most powerful army in the world doesnt have basic SEAD capabilities?

someone explain to me why, in 2022 anno Domini, the second most powerful army in the world doesnt have basic SEAD capabilities?

  1. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    are you really expecting to hear new thoughts and insights by now?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      i genuinely dont know, dont they have anti-radiation missiles?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They do. Hard set to specific NATO radars in the factory, which is incredibly inefficient but it at least exists. However, they don't have any capability to SEAD their own systems, because "lmao why would the Soviet Union ever need to take out Soviet anti-air?".

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          The blunder of the century, really

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >However, they don't have any capability to SEAD their own systems
          If that's true that's amazing, seeing how the only place they would EVER need to fight a conventional war is against those countries who buy russian weapons in russia's own sphere of influence. If there ever was a war with the west it would just be nukes for everyone anyway. Or do you mean russians are running soviet programming to this day and can't change it?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Or do you mean russians are running soviet programming to this day and can't change it?
            If you mean hardware, yes, there have been photos of electronics taken from different Russian missile wreckages, and they're Soviet-era circuit boards. Either they were made before 1991, or the Russians are still making electronics with forty year old production lines, because they are literally incapable of innovating.

            Russia literally suffers from the same problems the Imperium does, having to rely on ancient salvaged tech, because they lost the knowledge to build anything new.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They have the Kh-31 and I think they might still have the Kh-58 still around as well. I think they might have used a couple early in the war going after stuff but there's basically fuck all info on what they got used against or when. I mean by late March they had Su-30's doing dumb-bomb runs on stuff like comms repeaters and stuff which is sort of the really fast and shit way of doing things, but as for the how many missiles and why they're not being used I just dunno.

        Got to remember SEAD isn't necessarily a 100% using anti-rad missiles either. They can have ground troops shoot up radars, spotting and killing by some types of drones, calling in artillery if its located etc. But Russia has been full of surprises in just what it doesn't have, used badly or just doesn't do in the last 7months so anyone's guess is as good as any

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They do. Hard set to specific NATO radars in the factory, which is incredibly inefficient but it at least exists. However, they don't have any capability to SEAD their own systems, because "lmao why would the Soviet Union ever need to take out Soviet anti-air?".

        They have nothing that even compares to the AGM-88. HARM's can be programmed mid-flight for specific emitters, slavshit, like anon said have to be set at the hardware level.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Now that the dust has settled

  2. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    my personal theory is Putin can't afford to take the losses, as a lost aircraft is essentially irreplaceable for him, so he holds what he has left in reserve for time being

  3. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Soviet Missiles cant physically target Soviet Radars or Jets and russia didnt think of fixing this issue like every other post soviet country

  4. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Because SEAD isn't easy. It needs to be learned the hard way and neither Russia nor the USSR ever fought an air campaign against an enemy with a large amount of true SAMs

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Even to just have the resources to allow your pilots to run up decent flight hours is an issue in Russia. So when you're not even able to supply your combat units with significant amounts of guided munitions, SEAD goes down to very low priority.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I was just looking at it from a foundational standpoint.
        Without hands-on experience, or in the case of our allies, America telling them how scary SAMs are and how they learned to fight them, everything from weapon design, electronics to doctrine is fumbling in the dark for Russia. At best they can try to copy the chinese whispers they can gleam of the western method.
        Add to that what you said and it's clear why they're so fundamentally flat-footed

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I was just looking at it from a foundational standpoint.
        Without hands-on experience, or in the case of our allies, America telling them how scary SAMs are and how they learned to fight them, everything from weapon design, electronics to doctrine is fumbling in the dark for Russia. At best they can try to copy the chinese whispers they can gleam of the western method.
        Add to that what you said and it's clear why they're so fundamentally flat-footed

        Thing is, there's some kind of generational disconnect in the Russian Military- even in the Georgia war they used Anti-Rad missiles on the Georgian defences so its not like its a completely out of the box concept. Plus theres been plenty of watching of what the US does, if nothing else they should have people picking apart everything in theatre thats happened since Vietnam and Korea.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >what is North Vietnam
      The bar for PrepHole has been set really low since February.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Did American SAMs even get a single kill in Vietnam?
        Or what are you driving at?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus, you're a retard. Not even gonna explain it.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, never mind I'm completely blind and dyslexic. Read USSR as USA.

          Sorry about that.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Happens to the best of us, no worries.
            I'd get pretty irate if I saw someone saying that the US has never fought true SAMs.
            We've had more experience in that by a factor of ten.
            America is the undisputed wizard of SEAD

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Press F to thank Thuds for their service.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                F
                At least some thuds got to avenge their fallen comrades as the first not totally suicidal wild weasel aircraft.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      WILD WEASEL
      YWNBW

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Kek, gonna found a DCS virtual squadron with this patch immediately.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      They have nothing that even compares to the AGM-88. HARM's can be programmed mid-flight for specific emitters, slavshit, like anon said have to be set at the hardware level.

      Kek, gonna found a DCS virtual squadron with this patch immediately.

  5. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Be Russia
    >lose

  6. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    So they get their expensive shit invested into this, to what end? It will either get shot down or stolen and using it in the first place means they have to go all in on an enemy they constantly bill as incompetent. It's a black eye for Russia either way.

  7. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    they technichally have the capability with anti-radiation missiles but they dont have any pilots who can do it, hell they barely even have pilots with actual experience engaging other aircraft or doing anything thats not bombing people who cant shoot back

  8. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    If the khokhol nazi chudmutants are such hot shit, how come they only have air superiority and not supremacy?
    HATO glowmongs gettin real quiet after readin this.

  9. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Call me a vatnik or a shill but this guy makes a good analysis

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Second try or youtube has it blocked, video by
      Military History not Visualized, title "The Russian Victory missed by everyone"

  10. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Sortie rate, Russians did do some mildly impressive ops in the first days of the war but then they became unable to launch massed airstrikes for some reason. Performing SEAD against a decent SAM network requires a lot of planes and planning, and judging from footage Russians can just about manage pair of Su-25s lobbing rockets at max range.

    And then of course the fact that they are facing an untouchable NATO ELINT system, can't go shooting down AWACS over NATO countries

  11. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    because it never was "the second most powerful army in the world" - just the naive westoids bought their posturing, like the cucks they are.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Well they did manage to be the 2nd most powerful army, its just that they narrowed the plan down to being the 2nd most powerful army in Ukraine
      Trust the plan!

  12. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ivan set himself up with the expectation of facing down Western air defence doctrine, which is to say it's dominated by fighters. Massive SAM networks is Russia's style, creeping their bubble forwards as they advance on the ground. They didn't really consider what would happen if they ran into someone with just as much of a comprehensive network as their own, let alone one using their own radars. Stupid fuckers can't into IFF, so they made their few anti-radar missiles blind to Soviet radar.

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous
  14. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >someone explain to me why, in 2022 anno Domini, the second most powerful army in the world doesnt have basic SEAD capabilities?
    THE OFFICIAL SONG OF THE RUSSIAN MILITARY

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