Soledar situation explains exactly why they need F-16s

>Russian assault first with armor and troops up the main roads, first signs of combined arms
>see how far they get, then proceed to drop mortars on the resisting defenders.
>a lighter force of specialized infantry then creep up and CQB into the defenders from surrounding buildings

Ukranian artillery is tied up trying to fend off the company sized infantry groups but each shell even if useful only gets a few of the onrushing russians at a time, as the directions of assault are all built up and urban.

4 thousand pounders from each F-16 on call however will pretty much kill an entire company or stop it cold

Ukraine does not have enough heavy weapons - 155mm and ATGMs wont stop a combined arms assault that easily

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it takes time

    https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2022/07/15/house-authorizes-training-for-ukrainian-pilots-to-use-us-aircraft/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2022/07/15
      >almost 6 months ago
      soon™

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How long did it take you to become proficient on the F-16?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Ghosts of Queef can learn it on a lunch break. Slava propaganda!

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which explains why abandoning Soledar perhaps 3 or 4 days ago should have been the move. They had done well with attrition and had made Russia pay dearly. Looks like they got greedy for Orc blood and it will cost them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cheer up. The Ukrainians will study this battle, and adjust accordingly.

      The Russians are STILL dependent on absurd amount of ammo to get anywhere, which means they still need working logistics to advance.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like a competent strategy, shame if the CO gets himarsed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's competent, there is a high chance it was devised by the NCOs after they got told to "assault those coordinates" yet again.
      Of course, and that's bad news for Ukraine, maybe Russians really lucked into a competent CO after all the previous ones were killed. At least a few high-ranking officers died during the fabulous New Years' celebration.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon… Russia does not have NCOs

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cluster munitions would help. Will donbass ever be useful or even habitable afterwards, though? They have done a good job of keeping the fighting away from most of Ukraine but donbass seems permanently fucked with the chemical residue from explosives and UXOs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It will probably be a DMZ.
      If anomalies exist irl there, it would be perfect though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It will become a sanctuary for flora and fauna.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the west is desperately trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >4 thousand pounders from each F-16

    You must be 18 to post, not 12. Wat do Mark 84s weigh?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ukraine cant sead. they could have 1000 f16s and it wouldnt matter

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were running a surprising number of air strikes in Kherson. They just got a bunch of JDAMs so obviously the Pentagon thinks they can still use what they have, I think they just have to use it very situationally, only after degrading AA with rocket strikes and an interdiction campaign.

      This is why they need the F-35, not the F-16, even if only a few.
      >Hard to detect and lock
      >Much better chance to avoid anything coming for it
      >Incredibly long sensory range and stand off weapons, can ID AA and blast it from far off, then when that is done start providing CAS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia couldn't defeat 50 Su-25 and mig-29. How the fuck they are supposed to defeat F15?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any non-propaganda source on the conduct of ground operations by russia during this war? Not terribly interested in war footage snapsnots

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >any non-propaganda source
      Nope, there isn't a single non-biased source right now, your choices are either Russian propaganda or Ukrainian propaganda

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'll have to wait unfortunately.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This us what we have about fagner and Soledar.
      (sorry, forgot to crop the image first)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing too exotic then, Russia is still using huge amounts of infantry to blunt force their way in these assaults, I would love to know their true casualty rates.
        Like the Donbass in the early summer, they are pouring everything into these assaults on one point to try and break though. Remains to be seen if it exhausts them and they pay the price in the long run. The whole campaign has run on short term planning and goals for them.
        Even if Zelensky leaves and a Pro Russian government takes over, the entire population will keep resisting now, what even is the long term win condition now.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/e9U3C3Q.jpg

          This us what we have about fagner and Soledar.
          (sorry, forgot to crop the image first)

          >infantry squad advanced to known/suspected enemy position and does recon by fire
          >once enemy reveals itself spot him and relay info to fire support
          >suppress enemy trench with mortars
          >get close
          >first squad breaks in and gets a foothold
          >clear trench with small arms and frags, Mark already cleared positions for next squads who’ll be coming
          >once one squad is wiped out send another in to keep clearing

          That’s my understanding of it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And as for the Ukrainian response stated there
            >keep light armor (ifv, apc, armored car) in reserve in defilade close behind the trench
            >when the infantry attack begins pop out and start blasting them with autocannon/hmgs
            >start indirect fires on them to kill them/suppress them for the afv/create a wall

            The guy then criticizes their use of indirect fire saying it should be used for counter battery instead of on the attackers inf so that they would stop suppressing the trench and then the defenders in the trench would kill the attackers

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They seem to be using upto 3 waves of men on a single position is my point, the first and second waves seem expected to die. They might make progress, but the casualties are unsustainable.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Ted talk

              The post said it was 8 man waves so basically a squad, hence 3 squads are platoon per position, but how big a position are we talking?

              Anyway yes that’s pure attrition warfare, at least it’s not the meme front charge but it uses suppression (assuming the meme ever happened irl idk maybe it did in ww1)

              Well if you have men and materiel to spare maybe you can do it if there’s no better options, or if you have numerical advantage such that even with an unfavorable wasteful casualty ratio you can win without losing any significant % of your forces since the enemy is much smaller (not this case even tho the Russian have way more manpower), plus they’re the attackers so they’re already at a disadvantage

              The force multipliers are various and some are dependent on others, such as good equipment, good training, good ncos that make the squads and fireteams behave, good officers to apply force effectively and efficiently, technology for an infinite amount of reasons, ill name few: intel, pgm, comms, fire control systems on armor, atgms, air superiority, AA, basically the effectiveness of everything is augmented if it has “better tech”, by that I don’t mean electronics just that the guys designing and producing it have figured out a way to make that thing do whatever that it does better

              Then there’s attrition factors that are basically size, how much of x item you have (tanks, ifvs, arty etc), how many men factories etc

              Then soft factors like political popularity of the war effort among the population, morale, the choice of goon go to war being non retarded in the first place etc

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Girkin and UK intelligence reports is the closest to impartial you'll get

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Perun does good analysis on yiutube

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >M30 GMLRS DPICM
    >Doesn't need any new training
    >Ukraine has all the M270 and HIMARS chassis to fire them
    >You can rapidly reload and fire them like current MLRS pods

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soledar situation explains exactly why they need F-16s
    the ukraine got btfo'd so bad they probably lost he whole war in a single day
    thats why they cant
    >"Post Soledar?"
    and why so many shill swarm so fast to every post
    they even "same-fag" and have no idea how "unique-ID's" work on the underwater zanzibarian calligraphy board

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You’re posting from a script, PrepHole doesn’t have ID’s you retarded gay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"same-fag"
      >"unique-ID's"
      "you're a gay"

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the soledar situation
    What situation? The situation where we have downgraded the offensive from the irrelevant Bakhmut to the even more irrelevant Soledar and despite that the Russians are still measuring gains in meters per day?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukranians executed an epic trap where they hid in the mines then BTFO vatniks. How does this prove that F16s are needed?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know this is shitpost.
      But it would be funny if they did rigged the salt mine with explosives. Since apparently Wagner wants to use the mine for cover against arty.
      Also it being a salt mine is really asking for it.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now look at cost per flight hour and cost per shell fired and ask yourself if your reasoning is sound.
    Bonus points for including training times of artillerymen vs pilots and the support staff needed to keep the respective system in the fight.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But Ukrainian pilots already received F-15/16 training

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this isnt afghanistan fighting goat herders moron, you dont just get to call in ''4 thousand pounders'' and have them delivered neatly on target. you have to establish complete air supremacy for that and ukraine doesnt have a hope in hell of that any time soon

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suggest you call Valdimir up and aks him to put the special military operation on hold for 6 months so the Ukrainian pilots and mechanics to get trained up on the F-16, and the necessary spares, tools and maintenance equipment are shipped to the ukraine, eh?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's OK, the f16 training started 6 months ago and Vlad has already kindly been putting his victory on hold since then to allow them time to finish up and arrive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine has spent the past 6 months t era inning on F-16s
      >while obliterating Russian forces and launching counter offensives.
      Realistically we should call Zelensky and ask him to let the Russians live a little longer, so Lockheed can get more marketing done

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, but an f16 could be shot down by Russian AA.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    America will never give you airplanes stop whining. They know this is a red line Russia will never tolerate and accept as direct declaration of war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's what they said about 155mm aritlery, MLRS and recently light armor tanks so yhe fuck ye mudda

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a war yet? wow

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just like when Sweden and Finland crossed the red line and applied for NATO membership? Or when Ukraine bombed Belgorod? Or when America and UK sent MLRS to Ukraine?

      >this time it's for real!!
      gay. All of you are gays

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >soledar
    >a town nobody talked about until vatnigs decided to shill it

    i bet if i google maps it, it's going to be a village of 8 houses and a corner store. a decisive advantage that will turn the tide of the war

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    based ruskis finally fixed their shit. damn. slava russia. zog should be defeated at ukraine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ukraine and russia is basically just an arena between two competitors and we get to watch, it's retarded to have an bias unless you're Ukrainian or Russian (not talking about you)

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    soledar has fallen, by the way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      May we see it?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        see wut

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will Ukraine learn to use F-16 in time? Not even Canada has got this yet (gonna in 2026), wouldn't it be better to give them more soviet aircraft (and give the newer aircraft to the countries that give them the soviet aircraft.

    ...but I wonder how much of a difference there is between what they are using now and F-16, if some pilots can start training on simulators while the west debate over whether to give them F-16 or nt.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If a Ukrainian forward observer can call in artillery fire or for whatever reason can not call in accurate artillery fire what would adding F-16's to the mix accomplish ?
    If you were a Ukrainian FO tasked with supporting a defensive position such as a trench line around this town why is artillery not the tool of choice ?
    I understand if you do not have artillery available it would be great to have CAS but it seems like arty is the better weapon in this fight.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just landmines as a stop-gap? Halt the Russian advance with some wholesome explosions.

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