So with all the donated western small arms in circulation, will Ukraine ever move to a standard rifle or is it going to be a mix of AK74s and M4s and whatever else is laying around?
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So with all the donated western small arms in circulation, will Ukraine ever move to a standard rifle or is it going to be a mix of AK74s and M4s and whatever else is laying around?
I can easily see them switching rapidly to a 5.56 NATO standard platform eventually, after the war 'ends' or whatever. But really not a priority right now.
bullpup AK, nanii?
Look up the IPI Malyuk or Vulcan/Vulcan-M.
Ukrainian home grown bulpup AK. They look pretty decent and their SF dudes use them so they might actually be good.
Pretty sure that's not a Malyuk but one of those Blackstorm conversion kit. Ukrainians really love their bullpups.
>Ukrainians really love their bullpups
they ride around in BMPs and other troop carriers a lot, where size is at a premium. they also have a lot of old-stock AK74's without the folding trunnion. bullpup is the solution for them.
i just dont like it bros. but i can see why they use it.
>i just dont like it bros.
I'm sorry, buy you have stage 1 slavboo. This is going by symptoms alone so it is AT LEAST stage 1. Further diagnostics required.
How does bakelite make you feel?
What is the first thing you think of when you see this image?
Reported for gore and war crime!
i like slavshit, i dont like shitty bullpup conversions of said slavshit
once ukraine fully ~~*transitions*~~ to western shit all these garbage copepups will disappear
>i dont like shitty bullpup conversions of said slavshit
Really? I couldn't disagree more. There is just something very charming to these funky slapdash conversion. Like a madman attaining the drive to forge a AK out of his shovel after imbibing enough vodka.
We have Malyuk at home
I remember these being used by supersoldiers in a film. Maybe it was that awesome Kurt Russel soldier film
this is a Ukrainian made black storm AK bullpop kit.
the kit is non destructive and cheap. but its otherwise pretty shifty.
huh, cool. Figured it was just an aftermarket handguard on a Malyuk, but having it in 5.45 must be nice.
Ukraine is and will be an Africa tier nation
After 100,000 or 200,000 more of them die within the next year or two, Russia will be exhausted and NATO will forget about Ukraine as Ukraine will serve no more purpose
The Women will all be sucking cock in Europe and whatever Men are left in Ukraine will be in various militias riding around in technicals and whatever APCs/Tanks are still able to run. The Ukrainian army will be like your typical shitty third world army where everyone has mismatched uniforms, guns, etc
>two more years
>Ukraine is and will be an Africa tier nation
What does that say of the guys who can't beat the conventional army of an african tier nation, anon?
russia is and will be an Africa tier nation, vatmoron. I'll fuck your women for pennies on the dollar.
>I'll fuck your women for pennies on the dollar.
The only women being massively fucked right now are the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians refugees selling themselves on tinder since the first day they arrived in Europe.
>is and will be an Africa tier nation
Even by very "nihilistic", "contrarian" or whatever you call them, standards, Ukraine is middle east tier at worst. But in civilized world we generally call such failed states "Eastern Europe".
>he doesn’t think the US will rebuild Ukraine just like Japan and SK and use them as pawns as well
bros how long until there's a Ramstein-sized US/NATO base in Ukraine I can contract at and impress pretty girls with my money? I'm excited.
Do the Russian women without AIDS cost extra?
>bros how long until there's a Ramstein-sized US/NATO base in Ukraine
Ukraine is a US/NATO base anon
Why are there no NATO troops there then?
>Why are there no NATO troops there then?
lol they just caught a Polish tank team in a Leopard
literally thousands of uniformed NATO have already died
tens of thousand of NATO soldiers that took off their uniforms and signed contracts have died and are counted as "foreign volunteers" too.
smells like shit you face every day
>we'll use racism to make PrepHole agree with us
you guys are never going to learn are you?
there's a reason why you've retreated into your controlled boards
PrepHole is not your board, pajeet.
>PrepHole is not your board
yeah I'm not a furry or glowmoron
If you are a nato soldier and you leave to enlist in a foreign army, you are no longer a nato soldier.
>If you are a nato soldier and you leave to enlist in a foreign army, you are no longer a nato soldier.
this is the pilpul I expect from NATO propaganda
If a Russian defects to Ukraine and joins their army, is he a Russian soldier, retard?
but NATO soldiers aren't "defecting" they're being told to join the Ukrainian military as "foreign volunteers" as part of their military contracts. They'd get bonuses if they didn't all get murked
It was revealed to him by RT
what do you want proof for?
I'm sorry, but the gibbering of schizophrenics does not constitute evidence.
You know what? Fine, there are NATO soldiers in Ukraine, they are giving them intelligence, they are fighting in Bakhmut, they were the ones to sink the Moskva and blow up the Nordstream-1.
Now, what the fuck are you going to do about it pussy?
>You know what? Fine, there are NATO soldiers in Ukraine, they are giving them intelligence, they are fighting in Bakhmut, they were the ones to sink the Moskva and blow up the Nordstream-1.
>Now, what the fuck are you going to do about it pussy?
laugh as they fail
Wow, you're really butthurt about losing to the poorest country in Europe lol.
Guess this finally proves russians where never european to begin with.
>Wow, you're really butthurt about losing to the poorest country in Europe lol.
pic rel is ever green
Bomb Poland then. Or the Blatics. Or any other NATO country for the matter. If there is proff of them being at war with Russia, surely only a retard wouldn't attack their logistical and tactical centers around Ukraine to win the war sooner and save the life or so many men?
>Bomb Poland then.
nah NATO deserves a cowards death from collapse not a heroic death in combat
let them wither and die
>Haha you stupid westener you will die old and surrounded by your loved ones instead of some field in eastern europe
I know I shouldn't but in reality I truly feel sorry for you. I hope one day you'll be able to live in an actual country instead of your glorified mafia state.
Post destroyed HIMARS
First tweet is not evidence. Even his second post says there is no photo or video to prove any of the claims.
Second tweet is not proof either. Its some dude making a claim with no proof.
There are certainly soldiers from NATO countries in Ukraine but they are not members of NATO militaries anymore. You claim in a later post they actually have contracts with their home countries to get bonuses for volunteering. Surely you could provide an example of these contract since apparently thousands exist.
>You claim in a later post they actually have contracts with their home countries to get bonuses for volunteering.
Funny this claim, I remember nato governments begging their soldiers NOT to do this
the state of NATO cope
follow your bud,
who the fuck cares anyway?
no one is buying your bullshit might as well own
Why would anybody, a little bit caring of his credibility, post casualty figures lower than oryx?
Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia could say 1 mil kia watnigs would still claim 20k casualties. Vranyo at it's finest.
>post casualty figures lower than oryx?
oryx is a garbage propagandist and should be dismissed out of hand
see e.g. PrepHoleopers pretending he's legit
anything that's pushed on PrepHole is fake and gay
totally captured board
>oryx is a garbage propagandist and should be dismissed out of hand
they just take photos and confirm that they aren't duplicates, don't they? how is this garbage propaganda?
reposted by NAFO
'visually confirmed losses' as a concept is retarded
you're dependent on people taking photos and asking us to trust you that you reviewed thousands of photos and were able to properly distinguish duplicates and assign them to the right category
>and asking us to trust you that you reviewed thousands of photos and were able to properly distinguish duplicates and assign them to the right category
Yes, they regularly make corrections.
>you're dependent on people taking photos
This is the shortcoming of the technique, but its still the best we have. Also its 2023 and every retard has an HD camera and takes pictures of their dog's breakfast, this isn't THAT much of an ask.
>Yes, they regularly make corrections.
so they're wrong a lot and tell you sometimes?
"trust me bro"
>This is the shortcoming of the technique, but its still the best we have.
no its just a vector for globohomo propaganda
>Also its 2023 and every retard has an HD camera and takes pictures of their dog's breakfast, this isn't THAT much of an ask.
no due to opsec almost no one uses cell phones on the battlefield
except the reddit batallion
how'd they turn out?
Russia doesn't enforce that shit
>Russia doesn't enforce that shit
are you suggesting that oryx uses photos from Russians? lel
Nope. I'm not that anon but saying that Russia gives a shit about opsec is a joke. Russia is barely competent to keep their troops fed. Tons of mobiks have their phones.
we know anon
Da joos. Amirite?
>muh white race
wtf I support globohomo now
It's all a conspiracy.
>It's all a conspiracy.
>re you suggesting that oryx uses photos from Russians
Lmao the cope is so hard. Yes the secret Nafo cabal cares about your sub 80iq take.
>This gay thinks Nafo is anything more than slacktivists clinging onto the current thing
L M A O
>>This gay thinks Nafo is anything more than slacktivists clinging onto the current thing
no that's what they are
chuds and furfags simping for the Cabal
>Russian women without AIDS
no such thing
Unironically, visiting Ukraine after this war will be amazing. If you've been to Kuwait you'll know what it's like to be appreciated for your nationality. The kuwaiti are extremely appreciative of us pulling their asses out of the fire and treat Americans extremely well. Also the dollar will go a mile and they'll be happy to have the spending.
Are you saying there will be cheap pussy and snacks?
>Russian women without AIDS
That's like a garden without flowers, or a bird without feathers.
All the long nosed people that fled on busses at the start of the war will come back and rebuild. The military veterans will be disarmed and hooked on fentanyl to wipe them out, except for an elite few who will serve as their bodyguards. Ukraine will receive an enormous amount of aid to rebuild.
>garden gnomes flood into destroyed country to seek massive profits
>military veterans are mistreated and neglected
Why does this sort of sound familiar?
because it's russia it's fucking projection everyday all day and i'm tired of it.
It must be weird living in the alternative universe where the master race of garden gnomes can just build or destroy entire nations on a total whim
Let him dream anon.
300% pure, unadulterated projection
>After the dissolution of the Russian Federation, the United States should pursue a set of achievable goals that narrowly focus on the American national interest. Specifically, the US will need to:
>Be realistic about Russia’s democratic and free market prospects. The 1990s showed that geopolitical change (e.g., the legal dissolution of the Soviet Union) did not automatically transform Russian society as many had hoped. The US and its partners should learn the failed lessons of the 1990s and not waste resources trying to transform Russian society, economy, or government into a Western-style democracy. Attempts failed in the 1990s and would likely fail again. Policymakers should instead humbly acknowledge the limits of Western influence to create a democratized Russia
>Contain any spillover from internal Russian fighting. Revolution, insurgency, and civil war—at both a national and regional level—could occur after the dissolution of the Russian Federation. Containing any internal fighting inside Russia’s current internationally recognized borders should be a top priority for the US and its partners
>Spread stability on Europe’s periphery by expanding Euro-Atlantic integration and deepening bilateral relationships. Euro-Atlantic integration has been one of the greatest drivers of stability in Europe since 1949. When the Russian Federation dissolves, NATO and the European Union should take advantage of Moscow’s weakness and push for a “big bang” enlargement for remaining candidate and aspirant countries
>When possible, hold those in Russia accountable for atrocities committed in Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made an interesting proposal,2 supported by various Western parliamentary bodies,3 to create a Special Tribunal for the Punishment of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine.
The fate of the post-USSR doesn't follow any particular logic.
East Germany and Poland and the Baltics recovered fairly well
Places like Albania and Bulgaria and Romania are shitty but still saw genuine, marked improvement
It's basically like Russia, maybe Moldova and Belarus just willfully chose to fucking rot forever when it was their big opportunity
To put it simply, not a particularly high bar, if Russia were as developed as Poland it'd be breathing down Japan's neck to be the 3rd largest economy on earth, a genuine superpower, not wrestling with Brazil to be the 12th. Surely they must have some dim awareness of this crippling of themselves, ESPECIALLY given how obsessed they are with "power and influence"?
Eastern European countries, despite being occupied by kremlin, were nation states and had independence in the inter-war era.
With exception of Baltic states, that's not true for ex-soviet countries.
culture and mentality. Turns out nations are the face of their host population. estonians, lithuanians, latvians and poles had centuries worth of german and scandinavian influence augmenting their own baseline
Romania and Bulgaria were massively held back by vatnik remnants and still managed to take off the moment the Soviets stopped sucking them dry. Now imagine how much better they could have done if every single communist had been dealth with in the early 90s instead of allowing them to control up to 50% of the GDP in both countries even to this day.
i dont think so. I think europe will send a shitload of farmers to Ukraine and make it an agricultural hub which can supply Europe with produce.
Ukraine already has farmers and if west wants they can also buy farmland
Basically this, kek its so funny to see the board that hated "gun control bootlikers" getting psyd oped into cheering on for a bunch of retards half across the globe dying for their capitalist oligarchs.
vatmoron this is the board that cheered on the clankening.
>As of 2013 Russian citizens over 18 years of age can obtain a firearms license after attending gun-safety classes and passing a federal test and background check. Firearms may be acquired for self-defense, hunting, or sports activities, as well as for collection purposes. Carrying permits may be issued for hunting firearms licensed for hunting purposes. Initially, purchases are limited to long smooth-bore firearms and pneumatic weapons with a muzzle energy of up to 25 joules (18 ft⋅lbf). After five years of shotgun ownership, rifles may be purchased. Handguns are generally not allowed, but with the growing popularity of practical shooting events and competitions in Russia in recent years (e.g., IPSC), handgun ownership has now been allowed and the handguns have to be stored at a shooting club. Rifles and shotguns with barrels less than 500 mm (20 in) long are prohibited, as are firearms which shoot in bursts or have more than a 10-cartridge capacity. Suppressors are prohibited. An individual cannot possess more than ten guns (up to five shotguns and up to five rifles) unless they are part of a registered gun collection.
go fuck yourself with your retarded russian gun control as well.
>Africa tier nation
that's still a tier higher than R*ssia
Russian projection at its finest.
Nice projection vlad
let's be real, the worst case outcome for Ukraine now is an armistice. Westerners would continue to invest in ukraine as a bulwark against russian aggression and in another 10-20 years it'll turn into another south korea. Meanwhile the occupied territories will be depopulated and abandoned because even if russia could afford to invest in the region they won't because they wouldn't be able to turn a profit exploiting the area's resources.
they have one, don't they?
My best guess is the Malyuk or Tavor because both are made in the country.
However, like you said the massive amount of foreign rifles currently in the country could easily change that and I can’t say with certainty what will happen
>because both are made in the country.
Ukraine makes a shitton of designs locally, even if most of them are just localized copies. They generally don't have a problem manufacturing anything, unless it requires big investments, because first – no one was ever willing to give them investments, and second – anything involving large sums of money will quickly attract post-soviet bureaucrats that will quickly drain anything dry with bribery through mindshattering brainfuckery bureaucratic bullshit.
anon the country of Ukraine is not going to exist anymore.
>the country of Ukraine
Get your narrative straight Ivan. You're not supposed to call Ukraine a country. Also there is no war and Russia never lost a war- er, special military operation ever in its entire history.
>You're not supposed to call Ukraine a country.
its a country it won't be for long
but its a country
>Russia never lost a war- er, special military operation ever in its entire history.
nah US garden gnomes helped the japs to beat Russia
And they lost the most important war to their own garden gnomes during WW1
2 more years
You vatniggs really can't go a single day without humiliating yourself huh?
If you are constantly winning slower and slower you eventually start winning backwards
>you eventually start winning backwards
Russia already did that in Kherson
Malyuk I hope, but realistically M4
Why would they make any move to establish their own standard rifle in the middle of a war? For the timebeing they have easy access from their allies to both the AK and AR platforms and to near endless supplies of 5.56 and 5.45, both the most widely produced and available small arms and ammo in the 21st century.
Given the nature of the war and how heavily centred it currently is around artillery I'd imagine the bigger concern is gradually winding down reliance on legacy 152mm-based Soviet artillery and getting the UAF switched over to 155mm NATO compatible systems.
even back in the unconventional insurgent wars of iraq/afghanistan on platoon-squad levels small arms like pistols and automatic rifles were effectively self defense auxiliraries. Offensive heavy hitters were squad machine guns and grenade launchers with the occasional sharpshooter if the organization and equipment allowed it.
Point is there is not really that much of a difference what you use in that role. It can be a old AK and it can be a newer pimped out AR. Its the big guns that will do most of the killing anyway. More so in conventional war as artillery and mortar strikes are the big guns now when the air space is contested
>donated western small arms
did I miss something? I thought there'd been very few donated rifles
There have been tens of thousands or more donated, former warsaw pact emptying their armories of AKs, AUGs, G3s and FALs, C7s, F2000s.
The Americans haven't donated many, but everyone else has been.
that's a ukrainian
AK-74's are fine rifles for their role. The big question long term is 5.45 ammunition availability. Ukraine has some limited capacity to produce, and most countries that used to make it haven't in at least a decade. Azerbaijan might make some soon though but it won't be enough. Ukraine is going to inevitably switch over full to 5.56 if this war keeps up but that's not a big deal, the bigger deal is where all the 5.56 small arms will come from. Now if we hadn't left 200k+ M16's and M4's in Afghanistan and Iraq, that'd be a non-issue... flip side of that though is the US has a massive cottage industry for the AR platform, Ukraine has multiple factories/companies making/assembling AR's, there are like a dozen Euro piston AR based rifles, etc... it's just a matter of money and politics.
I'll say that most soldiers are likely not going through high enough round counts for the shorter life and more armorer heavy side of the AR family of rifles to matter and even if they do, complete replacement of a rifle is more likely than armorer level bullshit. If I were a Ukie soldier though with an old M16 or M4, I'd definitely keep spare small parts on me if I could though.
They'll likely switch over to a NATO platform since they're gunning for NATO membership anyway. AKs will definitely stay in reserve though, this war shows having a large stockpile of things that go bang is never a bad idea.
From what I've heard the CZ BREN-2 has been exceedingly popular amongst those who get to use it, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the contenders for a post-war service rifle.
Based, I loved the Bounty Hunter game
I can't wait for Russia to collapse after this is all said and done. Either the oligarchs get fed up and kill Putin or the people do. It'll be glorious and then Russia will become an even bigger shit hole than it already is.
>I can't wait for Russia to collapse after this is all said and done
2 more weeks
Since when is 2 more weeks a cope for Russia collapsing? It could take years but chances are pretty high that they don't make it out of this. Win or lose. 🙂
they'll probably use those AK mag converted tavors
so uhhh what happens to those small arms after ukraine wins?
are 1990's garage sales back on the menu boys?