So why is keyholing bad?

What is important is for the bullet to get there and have enough force.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is my bullet tumbling and pissing energy bad

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    smaller area to larger force
    its the same reason you want to hit a nail with the head of a hammer, not the side
    end of thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      heres diagram i made to further prove this point
      if you can't understand this, God help you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You need to stop posting here and go get a job at the DOD

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/0G2UCGZ.jpeg

          I know exactly what you’re trying to illustrate yet I cannot understand this diagram.

          please seek help

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I know exactly what you’re trying to illustrate yet I cannot understand this diagram.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is a meaningless image and you're trolling

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It would be good if there were a scale to the arrows for example the rectangle could represent a cannon ball but with a much larger arrow indicating more energy than the sideways triangle which clearly indicates a keyholing bullet. Unfortunately in this graph it seems as though a cannon ball & a keyholing bullet at the same velocity have the same amount of effect on target which is of course nonsense.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I’m having a frickin laugh. Thank you poster of triangles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I’m having a frickin laugh. Thank you poster of triangles

        He can't even triforce.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/0G2UCGZ.jpeg

        I know exactly what you’re trying to illustrate yet I cannot understand this diagram.

        This is a meaningless image and you're trolling

        the bottom pane shows the force is concentrated when the bullet hits tip first
        the top pane shows the same thing but is the more general case. it's confusing because the top pane is redundant and the relation between the two is unclear when you first look at the image.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pic makes perfect sense to the point you're trying to make -

        ignore the other posters they're either foreigners or dumb brown people (note I specifically said >dumb< brown people)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't tell who is moronic, you or me.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bullets have a spike on the end which causes more damage.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if we put spikes on the sides?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who has the webm of the chinese shooting their fancy rifles and keyholing like crazy?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Get ready for Chang cope like rubber bullets, old training ammo, bad crowns, using plastic ammo, worn out barrels, etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You firthy wsterners onry say keyhore bad because its against geneva convention. Keyprostitute is superiour stopping power

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The freeze frame at 0:08 might make for a new avatar . . .

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Here's one i made earlier

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Looks like Jomon physiognomy. Training the boys to shoot the Japs?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Put two keyholes on the face and it'll be perfect

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly tho, that has to be rubber bullets right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Non Americans are famous for coping with their lack of budget by using substitute rounds for training. The fact is at the end of the day there's no substitute for training with what you'll use. We've found frickers using plastic bullets, bullets with nylon cores but real jackets, wooden bullets, you name it. It's fricking pathetic.

          So even the cope explanation suggests they suck.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, its DBF07 a rubber bullet about half the length of an fmjbt and with a sort of hollowed out center. It really is amazing the lack of critical thinking people have these days. Like for real, do you actually believe that china forgot how to make barrels over the last 20 years? The most basic part of making firearms in the modern day?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/Ga3OMoo.jpeg

            It's not "chang cope" on the old training rounds, that's pure misinformation to what it actually is.

            It's old ammo (DBP10) meant for the previous generation of guns that they stopped manufacturing because even in the correct gun, it was shit for accuracy. The new rifle uses a different twist rate in the barrels.

            In short, shit ammo being used up in a gun that wasn't optimized for the twist rate. China being China can't admit anything was shit/a mistake and claimed rubber bullets after they realized how fricking stupid they looked to train this way and release the video.

            The very fact that they have to use cope rounds (and not only cope rounds, cope rounds that don't even fly straight) for training illustrates their inferiority.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A practice round that at short range cannot be trusted to deliver even remotely similar accuracy to the service load(s) is the acme of bullshit.
            So in effect, what is being proposed is not that the Chicoms forgot how to make barrels, they forgot how to make ammunition that works in said barrels.
            Something that is pretty fricking hilarious in it's own right.
            (Image Unrelated)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Please observe at 0:07-0:08 as the bullets fly sporadically and inaccurately at the piece of paper the Changs are shooting at from 10 feet away. Now scale that up to 100 meters and tell me anyone downrange would even remotely be in danger.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You foreign devils don't understand communism. The bullet hast to travel sideways so all of the bullet hits something not just a few rich pointy points in top.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >chink in China’s armour
          This hurts the feelings of the Chinese people.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          of course anon, also dont forget to fire the whole bullet, that's 65% more bullet per bullet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't forgot "those holes are the bullets bouncing against the wall and coming back out"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Weird, when Ive shoot at my targets with a wall behind them, they still don't keyhole or "bounce back." This poster feels of yellow fever

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon he was giving an example of something the chinks have said in the past, he wasn't claiming it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >1ft CEP
        >at 10yd
        Is this the quantum keyholing technology?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I remember some anon saying that they used training barrels of some shit for stuff like this and would obviously use real honed in barrels for combat. Is that a real thing or bullshit?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not "chang cope" on the old training rounds, that's pure misinformation to what it actually is.

        It's old ammo (DBP10) meant for the previous generation of guns that they stopped manufacturing because even in the correct gun, it was shit for accuracy. The new rifle uses a different twist rate in the barrels.

        In short, shit ammo being used up in a gun that wasn't optimized for the twist rate. China being China can't admit anything was shit/a mistake and claimed rubber bullets after they realized how fricking stupid they looked to train this way and release the video.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Jxljm9y.jpeg

          yes, its DBF07 a rubber bullet about half the length of an fmjbt and with a sort of hollowed out center. It really is amazing the lack of critical thinking people have these days. Like for real, do you actually believe that china forgot how to make barrels over the last 20 years? The most basic part of making firearms in the modern day?

          So will you lads explain to me, the official Chinese state party twitter account that posted that infamous video deleted it afterwards. Why?

          And what fricking good is training rounds that keyhole into the shadow realm at less than 10 meters. Being le rubber bullets doesn't make it any less embarrassing and stupid.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They deleted it because it still makes them look bad. The average normie is not one that can comprehend rubber rounds. And like many people here, folks think its the real deal and china cant make barrels anymore. The average chinese citizen who doesnt know any better would be affected by that propaganda more negatively than positive, so they removed it.

            But you guys might be right. Its probably more realistic to assume that china has forgotten how to rifle barrels.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The mechanicus started in China?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/Jxljm9y.jpeg

              yes, its DBF07 a rubber bullet about half the length of an fmjbt and with a sort of hollowed out center. It really is amazing the lack of critical thinking people have these days. Like for real, do you actually believe that china forgot how to make barrels over the last 20 years? The most basic part of making firearms in the modern day?

              This is the real chang cope. You can literally see in the video the bullet outline in the lower-right neck of the target. Longer and with the boat tail evident. The shape and length are not that of the rubber rounds.

              [...]
              So will you lads explain to me, the official Chinese state party twitter account that posted that infamous video deleted it afterwards. Why?

              And what fricking good is training rounds that keyhole into the shadow realm at less than 10 meters. Being le rubber bullets doesn't make it any less embarrassing and stupid.

              It's not rubber. That's the bug cope suggestion. They used shitty old rounds that went bang because they needed a video montage and it backfired on them and China's face can't contain the ridicule, that's all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't disagree with you, because the alternatives (both the rubber bullet nonsense, and the idea that they're accepting guns that keyhole with the correct ammo) make even less sense.
                But it still makes no sense to me -- assuming the cutaway in

                https://i.imgur.com/Jxljm9y.jpeg

                yes, its DBF07 a rubber bullet about half the length of an fmjbt and with a sort of hollowed out center. It really is amazing the lack of critical thinking people have these days. Like for real, do you actually believe that china forgot how to make barrels over the last 20 years? The most basic part of making firearms in the modern day?

                is accurate, the DBP10 is a little longer than DBP95, sure, but it doesn't seem like an outlier, especially compared to tracers like the DVX12.
                DBP191 isn't shown there (and I haven't seen it anywhere else either), but it seems like it would have to be surprisingly short for its tracer equivalent to still be shorter/more stable than DBP10.

                And more abstractly, I don't understand why you'd loosen the twist rate on a new rifle, even if you're introducing new, shorter ammo. If you're changing to less stable ammo (like the change to M855/M856 in US service, and the corresponding M16A2 7" twist rate), of course you tighten the twist to work with the new, but then it still works okay with the old. If, on the other hand, you're moving to a more easily stabilized projectile, why wouldn't you keep the same twist, so it still works okay with the old ammo, as well as if you ever want to introduce longer projectiles in the future?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Supposedly they redesigned the barrels with more grooves (and larger lands) which prompted them to back off on the twist rate itself. That's the googled quote on it anyway.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chinese bullets go side ways like their pee pees

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought their pee pee went in your coke

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only when they make joke

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Catching a falling knife by the handle and the blade can result in very different outcomes despite the similar kinetic energy.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fricking warcrime

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no they're not, stop spreading misinformation
      you're as bad as the fricks that say exploding ammo is a warcrime, which, again, it is not
      you're either under or over, the inbetween in "illegal"

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In the off chance you're not kidding:
    >for the bullet to get there
    The bullet won't go where you want if it's not stabilized. See: smoothbore
    >have enough force
    Bullet bleeds a lot of energy when it's moving sideways.

    Your statement is correct. Keyholing is bad BECAUSE it won't "get there" or "have enought force". You got the right answer but didn't show your math and confused yourself.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a problem if you design a magazine in the shape of the infinity symbol. This gives you unlimited ammo. At close ranges, the tumbling can cause more damage as a whole.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      More damage?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just wear a bandana.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the tumbling can cause more damage as a whole.
      It's spelled hole.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No. moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >autism speaks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tumbling bullets yaw and lose velocity much quicker. But yeah, in principle they could cause nastier wounds on flesh at close range (though it compromises other factors in lethality, a regular bullet hitting bone can shatter it while a tumbling bullet could just roll off it and exit out the back); its just that few people would be willing to have their gun throw boomerangs at significantly lower accuracy in exchange for the unpredictable possibility of maybe causing a wider wound cavity.

      We clearly need CQB guns that keyhole on purpose.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its accuracy queens getting their monthlies, but daily. Keyholing is a natural part of firearm ownership. If your firearm has never keyholed, you're not shooting enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if someone writes a full version of the ND copypasta with different keyholing stories then I'll send them a free autism diagnosis

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Keyholing is a natural part of firearm ownership. If your firearm has never keyholed, you're not shooting enough.

        >be me
        >start a youtube channel talking about how to use a refrigerator as cover during a gun fight
        >develop a strong following among autistic heavily armed shut ins.
        >make video after video of high fuel, pure uncut 'Tism
        >eventually run out of shit to talk about but that scrilla is nice, yo.
        >take my Colt A1 rifle with A2 handguards (that I used to blow away some degenerate for eye fricking my wife property).
        >This colt has a one in twelve twist barrel."
        >like the absolute Stallion I am, shoot M855 through it
        >bullet keyholes, hit a rock, and ricochets into the upper thigh of one of my crew.
        >knowing full well that any disruption during filming means instant death, my chubby brother silently writhes in agony as I continue with my monologue.
        >I finish in one take.
        >my brother kept his leg.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Okay anon. Think that instead of a bullet, we have a football. Proper technique puts a spin on it, so as it travels through the air it is stable. Since it's stable a quarterback can throw pretty fricking accurately, and far.
    Now try to lob it by grabbing one end twisting your wrist so it tumbles end-over end. You can't get the distance and you can't really judge where it ends up.
    People ITT will bring up how keyholing hurts terminal ballistics (and it does) but if your initial ballistics are fricked I don't see why bringing up terminal even matters. You're probably not hitting anyway.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait so how is that fort scott munitions "TUI" ammo any different than whats being shown in the China webm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1. TUI means it tumbles upon impact, not before.
      2. TUI doesnt tumble at all, that's just a made up feature because they wanted to sell 9mm rounds that could punch through level IIIA kevlar out of a pistol length barrel.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tumbling bullets yaw and lose velocity much quicker. But yeah, in principle they could cause nastier wounds on flesh at close range (though it compromises other factors in lethality, a regular bullet hitting bone can shatter it while a tumbling bullet could just roll off it and exit out the back); its just that few people would be willing to have their gun throw boomerangs at significantly lower accuracy in exchange for the unpredictable possibility of maybe causing a wider wound cavity.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You won't hit anything further than 50ft because the bullet doesn't fly a predictable path. The bullet has excessive drag so it has more bullet drop and won't fly as far. Finally your penetration vs any armor goes to shit and soft kevlar will stop what's supposed to be a rifle round.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Finally your penetration vs any armor goes to shit and soft kevlar will stop what's supposed to be a rifle round.
      Right, and that level of protection is so light it's relatively trivial and comfy to wear full near body, very much unlike plate. Putting some numbers on using 7.62 ammo, hitting straight on the point is going to be maybe 1-2mm across, and stays thinner as it impacts. So all the force behind it is concentrated in that area. Meanwhile a typical bullet is something like 32mm long, with a good 15 of that at least being the flattish side. If it belly flops, effectively the force is spread out such that it's as if it was like at least 8-16x weaker depending on exactly how it hits. And at anything over point blank the force will be way less on top due to far more velocity loss.

      Basically it'd turn even 7.62 into 22lr as far as concentrated energy on armor. So it'd be like all of your opponents turned into magical power armor super soldiers who could shrug off your bullets except they only need polymer to do it.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why is keyholing bad?
    What is important is for the bullet to get there and have enough force.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bullet no fly straight

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bigger hole = bigger ow

    Anon may be on to something here

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Damn this is a pretty good troll post I seriously hope you're not actually this fricking stupid.

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