So why are Russians bad at war?

They have had experience from Chechen, Georgia and Syria.
Their equipments aren't "meta" optimal but also not subpar.
They do not lack manpower nor critical resources.
Sanctions have been going on since 2014 and I doubt if the economy is playing a factor in their general incompetence.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Decades of institutional corruption.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doctrine and logistics rule warfare. Asiatic hordes have always seen the zerg rush as the only thing that matters, excepting the actual Mongols.

      And this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Centuries.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey bro check out this cool yacht I just bought.
    I was supposed to buy weapons for army but I guess nobody will miss them anyways

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These yachts are going to cause so much trouble for future archeologists.

      if you have to study a boat like that, but most of it has been looted or otherwise lost (Like the dect-chairs below the pool), you start to ask questions like "what was this tiny dec-area at the back of the boat meant for?" Surely they did not deliberately just "sun-bathe" in skin-cancer-inducing UV radiaton? Maybe it was used for games? Was it the place where the hired orchestra played? Was there a weapon battery there meant to ward off pirates chasing them?

      Seriously, trying to figure out what was practical and what was just cultural meta "it was the hanging-around area for concubines to show themselves" can be really difficult later on, when you have lost connection to the said cultural mind-set.

      I mean, what was the purpose of all those thousands of plastic triangle cases?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        reddit post

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh reddit
          have a nice day

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a sun deck makes no sense on a vessel made for living weeks at sea aboard
            >Skin cancer!!!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ritualistic purposes, obviously. Anything you can't immediately explain with an obvious practical purpose was used in a ritual. Alternatively, it was used in a "ritual", which is archeologist code-speak for fancy dildo.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It'll be really funny when they find the skeleton of an oligarch with a hole in the back of his head and come to the conclusion that wherever his body happens to have landed must have been where the Putinista priest class sacrificed their Mobik slaves in exchange for prosperity and wealth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you have brain damage

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Very impressive! Very nice! Now lets see Ivans new yacht.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hey bro check out this cool yacht I just bought
      In a way these yachts are a perfect comparison to the vaporware the Russians make, because these yachts are all vaporware as well. I’ve worked on these things during the design process and they look flashy but the interior walls are mostly shitty plywood, the electronics and cable management are a fucking mess and all they’re good for is being paraded around jet set coasts, because putting them into any bad weather is uncomfortable or even dangerous (and there’s a high likelihood you’re going to break a lot of shit provided nothing catastrophic happens).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's insane to think all these oligarch superyachts could have been Russian Navy frigates or a new tank division. Peak treason.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They have had experience from Chechen, Georgia and Syria.
    Experience is absolutely worthless if you never learn from it. Every single one of those conflicts when Russian forces hit an obstacle they never once thought of a better way, but simply kept bullheading forward until resistance gave in. This works when you're fighting countries that are as small and poor as a single of your oblasts, not so much for anything larger

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no kidding, I think they don't value the individual and thus life enough. So since forever you see this kamikaze army model, where they push even though they shouldn't at an enormous cost of life. If they don't care about Ivan, how about of piece of machinery, hence they selling it away or not maintaining it properly.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They don't value low to middle rank officers, anything below Colonel might as well just be Private, First Class. They don't train for leadership and do not expect or allow initiative. Those officers are there to communicate the orders they receive from above and discipline/assrape an increasingly large number of soldiers. That's why so many generals were on the front lines where the Ukrainians could touch them, they were directing individual squads because nobody else could and their long distance c&c infrastructure isn't good enough to handle complicated movements from a distance. The people who learned anything in previous wars have no authority and wouldn't know what to do with authority if they had it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The people who learned anything in previous wars have no authority and wouldn't know what to do with authority if they had it.

      also should note, the veterans of afghan war and chechnya wars are mostly dead from alcoholism, the rest gtfo out of russia or work for mafia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people who learned anything in previous wars have no authority and wouldn't know what to do with authority if they had it.
      People who were lieutenants in Chechen wars are now staff officers. People that were lieutenants in Soviet war in Afghanistan that haven't retired are now generals. That might be why Russians have been losing colonels and generals directing shit at very front part of front lines.

      Even bigger issue for Russians is lack of staff NCO's or junior officers in equivalent positions with similar authority to do shit on their own initiative.

      I live in a country that effectively abolished staff NCO's in 70's because minister of defense got butthurt over his ministry payroll being less educated than other parts of the government. Solution, make every staff NCO lieutenant for career, give them higher pension by promoting them to captain when they retire and invent bachelors degree in hazing and admin bullshit. As result pretty much all staff NCO's that remained were technical specialists like navy engine room personnel, air force mechanics and all kinds of random stuff in army like gunsmiths.

      I wonder if Putin feels threatened by Rutskoi.
      Guy is an Air Force general and the legitimate President under the Soviet era constitution.

      Putin was nobody in 1993. Yeltsin illegally got rid of Rutskoi when duma tried to impeach him, that is when Russians collectively decided that any attempt of having state with rule of law is futile. 1993 is when short lived democracy in Russia ended, unfortunately western world didn't notice what really happened. When it comes to former KGB vs military power struggle, death of Alexander Lebed in helicopter crash in 2002 might be when Putin and his buddies cemented their position on the top and military leadership got castrated and started to be gradually replaced with Putin's incompetent yes men.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason why every other army has gotten its ass kicked by Western militaries
    >corruption
    >20th century top-down command structure meets the modern battlefield
    >no functional NCO corps

    That’s pretty much it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. They're also all caused by Authoritarianism.
      >corruption
      Can't remove your superior when you realize he's been stealing your pay.
      >20th century top-down command structure meets the modern battlefield
      Old method of keeping control of the army. Anybody who shows disloyalty gets their supplies cut.
      >no functional NCO corps
      Same as above. You don't want Lieutenant Psycho to run off and kill the Fuhrer because he suddenly realized the party line is a lie.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Can't remove your superior when you realize he's been stealing your pay.
        just throw a bag of hand grenades into the tent at night, must've been an unlucky accident, who can tell?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They have had experience from Chechen, Georgia and Syria.
    Dude, after the 1995 Grozny fiasco their excuse was that they just historically didn't have experience in urban combat.
    >Stalingrad
    >Berlin
    >Budapest
    >no experience

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could Ukraine push Russia out if given Dopps and Magellas?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >XAXAXAX foolish westoid, I can into Pugachev's Kobra!
      >*pulls 9 Gs*
      >*neck snaps*

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >threatens to drop colonies
      >never does

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has a solid track record of winning though
      Most famously, the USSR did ~80-90% of the work when defeating Nazi Germany, so Russia probably did at least 50-60%
      https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

      If we’re being generous, we could say that the other allies contributed 10% with lend-lease and another 10% when they won (or lost but at least inflicted casualties) on the smaller fronts (The Stroll into France, the North African Campaign, the Battle of Britain, etc)

      https://i.imgur.com/rQJJ7ge.jpg

      >So why are Russians bad at war?
      Russia fucking destroyed nato, blasted out ukraines ass, and torched $200billion worth of US/EU support in 11 months, and all it cost was ~40k multiple-felon Wagnerites
      >pic related, a cannibal-RUmobik

      >NATO is laughing on the sidelines, pajeet. B8 better.
      LMFAO, imagine China invading the USA, using their prison population, they BTFO the US military, surround the capital, depose the US President, then balkanize the US nation.
      >this is what is happening to 'the ukraine'

      [__][_[][__]

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The last time the Soviet/Russian armed forced learned anything was during the reforms following the Winter war and the German invasion showed the flaws in the leadership following Stalin's purge.
    What they learned was to have company commanders micromanage everything down to the squad level, which absolutely kills initiative in the field.
    "Throwing more soldiers, artillery and CAS at the problem until it goes away" is a oversimplification but essentially what it boils down to at the front line perspective of a brigade commander.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chechnya 1 was a prelude to what we saw in Ukraine.
    Georgia is a small country so the bum rush worked, but we also saw some problems on Russia's side.
    Syria was described by analysis like Michael Kofman as the war you wanted to deploy in to get medals. You bomb some ragheads, get metal pinned to your chest, "RUSSIA STRONK". Repeat until the vatniks at home think you have a first class military.
    >They do not lack manpower nor critical resources
    They have manpower, but it's not skilled or motivated. Conscript training is bad even for conscript standards, and contract soldiers are not much better.
    Regarding critical resources, Russia does not lack them, but it's a 50-50 gamble if they know where they are. Stuff got stolen or stored in states of disrepair.
    >Sanctions have been going on since 2014
    Pretty much everyone describes the 2014 sanctions as a slap on the wrist. There were European suppliers still doing business and selling them optics for the tanks. The Molino base that was built for exercises had the tech made and installed by G*erman companies.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even in concept art the turret is being tossed, and you still have to ask?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Much as I fucking hate the Ziggers being compared to Zeon, there's more than a few valid comparisons, at least as far as the higher ups are concerned.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ziggers love WH40K, they probably don't see anything wrong with the Imperium. They look at the unquestionable totalitarianism, they look at a whole empire built on scraps of forgotten tech from a bygone age, they look at the Imperial Guard sending mountains of you men to the slaughter in needless and endless human wave attacks, and think "these guys are literally us!".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imperial guardsmen look remarkably competent and well-equipped compared to the morbidly comical way russia conducts its military operations

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they look at a whole empire built on scraps of forgotten tech from a bygone age, they look at the Imperial Guard sending mountains of you men to the slaughter in needless and endless human wave attacks, and think "these guys are literally us!".
        reminds me of Asimovs Foundation/Galactic Empire novel series

        >Bel Riose was the last great general of the Galactic Empire, serving under Cleon II. He dreamed of glory and often expressed a negative opinion towards the Empire's cultural and technological decline.

        >Riose learns of the Foundation from Ducem Barr, a noble of the planet Siwenna. Correctly interpreting Barr's tales of "magicians" as the remnants of science in the Periphery, and witnessing some scientific advances made by the Foundation itself in the form of a personal force-shield, he decides to conquer the Foundation and utilize its scientific resources to revitalize the dying Empire. En route to the Foundation, he captures one of its Traders, Lathan Devers, and holds him hostage alongside Barr in an attempt to gain intelligence over the Foundation.

        >Although Devers and Barr escape Riose and make their way to Trantor in an attempt to gain an audience with the Emperor, the forces of history make their efforts meaningless. Fearing Riose's power, Cleon II orders him back to Trantor and has him executed for treason, as per Hari Seldon's prediction that by the end of the Empire, any military officer who was to gain enough power to threaten the Foundation would be prevented from causing harm by the central government's own fear of rebellion.

        Bel Riose == Belisarius

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the resident strongman in the Kremlin is an ex-KGB glowie who is afraid of the military. There used to be a balance of power in the Soviet Union between the Red Army, the KGB and the Party. The KGB and the Army weren't friends but the glowies had to thread carefully around generals. Now the Party is gone and Putin had made sure the military couldn't threaten him with a coup by having anyone competent retired, jailed or killed. Each of the war you mentioned was followed by a slew of weird but deadly accidents and suicides among high ranking officers, so they never learned anything from their mistakes (they just made poor attempts at reforms that went nowhere because anyone actually caring about that shit was kicked out for rocking the boat). The people he put in charge of the RFU only care about money, grift, embezzlement...
    From time to time they will show off some retarded, useless superweapon project to impress the mass but the military as a whole has rotten from the top all the way down, because that's how Putin wanted it. Defanged. Worthless, but scaring the average moron. He just expected it to be enough to brutalize Ukraine like it did Georgia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if Putin feels threatened by Rutskoi.
      Guy is an Air Force general and the legitimate President under the Soviet era constitution.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In the eye of the Russian public no institution besides Putin is legitimate

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am sure thats what Lavrenti Beria thought right before he had a gun pointed to his face

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So why are Russians bad at war?
    bardak - one word that explains everything

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No technologies - no war.
    It's 2023 now.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So why are Russians bad at war?
    I guess big part of it is if you teach your slaves how to wage war you have armed slaves who know how to wage wars..

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're bad at it because they're horrible students. You can have centuries of experience but if you never rocking learn from it, it'll never do you any good.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia has a solid track record of winning though
    Most famously, the USSR did ~80-90% of the work when defeating Nazi Germany, so Russia probably did at least 50-60%
    https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the USSR did ~80-90% of the work when defeating Nazi Germany
      b8

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If we’re being generous, we could say that the other allies contributed 10% with lend-lease and another 10% when they won (or lost but at least inflicted casualties) on the smaller fronts (The Stroll into France, the North African Campaign, the Battle of Britain, etc)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Really though the figure for lend-lease should be less than 10% when you take into account the fact that it provided no manpower and the equipment was poorly-suited for the eastern front

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            much obliged

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia didn't *need* that 50%+ of their total wartime HE and propellant!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >brits tying up 80% of luftwaffe
          >naval blockades and bombing of german industry
          >western front
          >Soviets admitting they wouldn't have won without lend lease.
          I can't believe tankies like you still exist. The Soviets would not have survived the war without the western powers.

          Really though the figure for lend-lease should be less than 10% when you take into account the fact that it provided no manpower and the equipment was poorly-suited for the eastern front

          >naked bodies are all you need to win a war material doesn't matter at all

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i stopped arguing with retards that think that russia was some kind of magic powerhouse that could have supported itself logistically

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s also cute how PrepHole pretends western sanctions are a big deal even though China doesn’t participate in them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China is irrelevant.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China doesn't produce machine tools that russian MIC uses(used?).

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Experience against towel heads when you’re mainly dropping bombs on them doesn’t translate well to a war where you can’t establish air superiority over the enemy. As for Georgia and the other wars the strategy was blow everything up then march into the ruins which is fine against an enemy that can only hit you from a visual range but against an enemy that can outrange you and has constant optics there’s little you can do.
    Also doesn’t help that any attempt to reform the military goes against the flow from the lowest ranks all the way to the top so it’s pretty much in everyones best interest in the institution to just lie and pretend everything is fine which works great when you aren’t at war against a nation being bankrolled by the largest and most advance military alliance on the planet.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they lack the ability of logical thinking

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All of the bad parts of totalitarianism- the brittleness of the structure, the self-deceit and bad intel, with none of the good parts- the faith of the masses and clarity of ideals. Putin is a glowie larping the glory days of the USSR

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's simple really. If they're not
    >a neoliberal
    >centerist
    >"democracy"
    they will always fail at war! wahahaha this is a law of the hunger games! Eagle beats bear cause we FLY and have HIMARS

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's been explained so many times that this video should just be obligatory watching.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Russian elite are all ex-KGB and hand-picked goons that spend more on their yachts than the entire Russian Navy annual budget. Modern Russia is what you get after around 70 years of socialist domination: a broken society that is so corrupt they distrust an honest man more than the gopniks shaking them down for their last rubles.

    And before someone says "but China" the same rot has gripped China. It's taking longer to fall apart, but if you get away from the tourist traps in the major cities and see rural China you find Fallout 3 wasteland dotted with skin-melting ecological disasters and people who make less than a dollar a day living in literal caves.

    And here's the worst part: the same thing is going to happen in western countries. We're heading in the same direction, just slower.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Simply put, they're not doing as bad as the war propaganda says. They went in with inferior numbers and according to the Pentagon at least they've killed about as many as they've lost. In the long run they're pretty much guaranteed to win unless NATO just rolls in and starts WWIII. They should've mobilized before even entering the country, this would already be over if they had.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So why are Russians bad at war?
    Russia fucking destroyed nato, blasted out ukraines ass, and torched $200billion worth of US/EU support in 11 months, and all it cost was ~40k multiple-felon Wagnerites
    >pic related, a cannibal-RUmobik

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia fucking destroyed nato,

      NATO is laughing on the sidelines, pajeet. B8 better.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NATO is laughing on the sidelines, pajeet. B8 better.
        LMFAO, imagine China invading the USA, using their prison population, they BTFO the US military, surround the capital, depose the US President, then balkanize the US nation.
        >this is what is happening to 'the ukraine'

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >some gay on the internet imagining it being defeated
          yup, that's what's happening to ukraine

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their government is non democratic, which locks them out of using the organisational structures and culture that enable combat effectiveness in modern war.
    In particular, they consistently struggle to generate accurate battlefield reports due to this phenomenon, which fucks their entire descision making process from the ground up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that why the americans are so terrible at war?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is why the Americans field the most powerful military ever seen in human history, yes

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have built that kit. the treads are a nightmare

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh institution
    >muh authoritharian
    import reddit become reddit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you dont need a functioning military organisational structure to win a war, competence and honesty are reddit!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hello George soros and open society inc

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kys

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