So who has the world's 2nd strongest airforce now that Russia has been proven to be a complete farce?

So who has the world's 2nd strongest airforce now that Russia has been proven to be a complete farce?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The USN.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the us navy

      United states navy. The third is the US marines.

      Usn then usmc. Next country would probably be the UK

      yeah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      United states navy. The third is the US marines.

      Usn then usmc. Next country would probably be the UK

      > Navy is second most powerful airforce
      > Marines are third most powerful airforce
      > Army is fourth most powerful airforce
      > Coast Guard is fifth most powerful airforce
      > LAPD is sixth most powerful airforce
      > local boomer model plane club is seventh most powerful airforce
      > UK is a distant eight

      Holy shit I fucking love being America

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US is cucked as fuck because they have to baby all of europe. Just take a look at the eu "militaries" and then you see why the US forces are so bloated.
        Literally trump was right to force euros to pull their weight but the US got cucked by lefties yet again.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, but you are absolutely right.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the us navy

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    United states navy. The third is the US marines.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Usn then usmc. Next country would probably be the UK

      https://i.imgur.com/vzrdbeT.jpg

      eight
      hundred
      billion
      (annually)

      Its even better if your frame as
      >The USMC has more Stealth Fighters than the Russian Air Force
      personally.

      Genuinely what reason is there to give F35s to the USMC rather than just having them rely on the USAF/USN? I'm not really that familiar with US force structure, but surely that would just make it more complicated for ground forces calling in air strikes if they had to be in contact with three different forces rather than one. Obviously mogging every other airforce in the world by having three separate US branches be bigger (maybe four, can't remember how many crafts your army actually has) is funny, but is it actually efficient?

      [...]
      Does the 24/27 for UK include those present in the Fleet Air Arm or is it just RAF

      If I remember correctly. there's some sort of weird force sharing agreement between the Navy and the RAF at the moment, although whether that will continue when the full order of F35s is delivered is anyone's guess.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but surely that would just make it more complicated for ground forces calling in air strikes if they had to be in contact with three different forces rather than one.
        That's the point. They give the USMC their own planes so that the dickhead on the ground will have a radio directly to the dickhead in the air because they both came off the same boat.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Genuinely what reason is there to give F35s to the USMC rather than just having them rely on the USAF/USN?
          So no one else is stuck dealing with the fucking Muhrines of course.

          I mean fair enough if you don't want to pull tard rangling duty on a strategic scale, but what about the Army and US allies? Is the Marine AF expected to deal with Marine shit first and leave everything else to other aviation assets or does the US just have another airforce in theatre to flex?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >or does the US just have another airforce in theatre to flex?
            Generally yes. We'll fly from wherever we have to, we invented mid-air refuelling for a reason. Also, the army has it's own rotary aviation, and when it has to, JTACs also have their own radios directly to flying dickheads.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is the Marine AF expected to deal with Marine shit first and leave everything else to other aviation assets
            I'm not sure what your asking. Every branch is tasked with their objectives until given new objectives. If those objectives are to assist other US military or allied military assets then that's what they do. The idea of the USMC having their own aircraft is that they are reaponsible for taking and securing beachheads, they're the first wave. To do that requires airpower and specialized ships. The Air Force doesn't have time to fly halfway across the world to drop cluster bombs on some chinks holed up in a pillbox on a random island somewhere and the USN needs their aircraft for CAP and interception of dangers to the fleet itself. If the Marines are going to be on that island anyway they might as well be operating aircraft on that island as it makes it easier for them to secure it. There's a reason most of their F-35s are the STOVL version: short, hastily constructed runways on islands and their amphibious assault ships.

            Also the US Army does not operate armed, fixed wing, aircraft. They aren't traines in amphibious assault either.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Also the US Army does not operate armed, fixed wing, aircraft. They aren't traines in amphibious assault either.

              I think this is what's getting me anon. Like, I understand that the USMC has a long history behind it and a lot of esprit de corps, the Royal Marines have the same thing, but ultimately nowadays amphibious assault is a very limited discipline. Apart from China I genuinely can't think of a country that could resist amphibious assault even from relatively untrained forces. Russia has a handful of dogshit coastlines and little naval presence to speak of that couldn't be wiped out in the first hour or so of an invasion. Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela are all memes that could have their pitiful naval defense wiped out easily. Even China is unlikely to be able to resist a massive influx of invasion troops after a few beachheads are established.

              So why send so many assets to the USMC versus the other branches? I'm sure there are perfectly sensible reasons for giving them their own fixed wing force, but then why not supply the army with one as well?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but ultimately nowadays amphibious assault is a very limited discipline
                it is until it isn't
                also, do not think of the american military as directly countering or built for a specific purpose
                the US military is budgeted and intended to be dominant, overwhelming and without peer in every sense and in every possible scenario now and in the future

                don't try to make sense of it, just know that taxpayers pay into an endless void, and somewhere along the way to lockmart someone buys a few billion dollars worth of whatever they feel like that day

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So why send so many assets to the USMC versus the other branches?
                Because they don't? They Marines don't get much money relative to the other three. The US has a big economy and a lot of people. What seems like a lot of money to you is not necessarily a lot to us.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but then why not supply the army with one as well?
                Because the Air Force threw a shit fit. The Army is allowed to have helicopters but agreed to not fly armed fixed wing aircraft during spats with the AF post WW2. The Air Force is fine with the Marines having them because the Marines are officially part of the Navy and "the Navy shouldn't have fixed wing planes" is an argument that would be dead on arrival. The Navy is fine with the Marinea having fixed wing aircraft because, even though the Marines are part of the Navy, they don't want to babysit them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but ultimately nowadays amphibious assault is a very limited discipline
                Not for a country on the other side of the planet from almost all of its potential enemies and the vast majority of its allies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America's largest threats are China and North Korea. Both might require amphibious assaults, particularly the later.

                I guess Russia is next on the list followed by Iran. Russia at least might require landings off the Black Sea or in the north, or in the east.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >particularly the later.
                Hell it did last time the US fought there. The Inchon landings were fantastically executed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fantastically lucky. The enemy being retarded and not mining the harbor or even defending it, plus having absolutely zero humint, aerial recon, or naval recon is what made that possible. It would have been a disaster if it was mined and contested, since it was a difficult landing just due to the geography and tides.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Fantastically lucky.
                Well yeah but commies are retarded.
                >since it was a difficult landing just due to the geography and tides
                This is mostly what I was reffering to. The plan wasn't good, just the execution.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They are a global quick reaction force. We always have one or two Marine Expeditionary Forces floating around in case shit pops off.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Genuinely what reason is there to give F35s to the USMC rather than just having them rely on the USAF/USN?
        So no one else is stuck dealing with the fucking Muhrines of course.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It literally comes down to a time in WW2 where the marines repeatedly asked for air support while taking an island and the Navy basically told them to cope and deal with it because they were too busy fighting japanese Zero fighters to spare dive-bomb missions on japanese positions. So the marines took some heavy losses and REEEE'd really, really hard until they got their own planes and helos for their marine carriers, where before the Navy had basically promised to support them. The Marines felt that the Navy betrayed that promise, and so they decided the rational response was to demand their own airforce.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The USMC had its own aviation section in the 1920s

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The bigger question what exactly is the point of the USMC?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The bigger question what exactly is the point of the USMC?
          VDV but American.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          First in, last out. They're meant to be the ones making the amphibious landings with the toughest resistance, and hold the line until the cavalry arrives.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's been said more than once that the USMC only exists because it's good at self-promotion. The fact someone took a picture of the Iwo Jima flag raising probably kept most of its functions from being absorbed by the other service branches after WW2.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Marines have managed to keep themselves around as having a fairly unique role of being a self contained, mini Airforce, Navy, and Army all in one command structure which allows them to be deployed anywhere in the world within... 48 hours, I think for a MEU? This level of rapid response and flexibility is handy, and them all being under a single command structure prevents a lot of slap fights over who's in charge, who's funding it, and so on that would arise if we actually let the Airforce, Navy, and Army just have joint operations in such a way. There's also just the inertia of Marines exist, so they get to keep on existing.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Usn then usmc. Next country would probably be the UK

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China potentially based on spending and numbers, but depending on how good their AA stuff is and new birds, it is going to be ROK or Japan.

      Japan and South Korea have a large numerical advantage and quality fighters. Both have quite large air forces as well as a lot of good US and indigenous AA and missile defense.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China actually has a stealth fighters in service
        >INB4 "muh chinesium"
        Although they have issues sourcing engines powerful enough they have solved that simple issue by using 2 engines

        >China
        You mean the same air force that consists of shitty old Soviet aircraft and shittier copies of said Soviet aircraft? LMAOOOOO!!!!!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          chinese version of mig21 has better armor

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >armor

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ROFL

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so.. in other words.. their version of supersonic fighter which main advantage is its high speed, is heavier, therefore, slower

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Retard

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It now has shitty copies of US jets, which makes them better than everyone but the US

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I question Chinese quality. And do Korea or Japan have anything to rival the brit f35s?
        Numerical advantage and aa systems are good and all but don't mean much if you can't detect the enemy

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And do Korea or Japan have anything to rival the brit f35s?
          Yeah, their own F-35s.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel like China has the same problem as Russia, where they're largely cut off from international arms development. For example, development of the F35 required engineers from UK and Aus, which likely meant a certain amount of shared info. Maybe the memes about stolen tech can carry them through, but I don't think a single country can out-engineer the entire first world.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mainland China now produces more engineers and technicians than "the entire first world" combined, and they no longer lose all of their best-and-brightest to brain drain (many of whom return anyway). They've pretty much closed the talent gap with the West, now they just need to keep stealing IP and/or independently developing their own equivalents until they reach direct parity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they no longer lose all of their best-and-brightest to brain drain (many of whom return anyway)
            "Since 1978, only 275,000 students out of 1,060,000 overseas Chinese students returned home."
            >Hong Kong political crackdown sparks scholar exodus
            >Next China: The Covid Exodus
            You live in a world of imagination and China cheerleaders.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the USMC literally have more F-35 than many western allies
      WTF?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        eight
        hundred
        billion
        (annually)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its even better if your frame as
        >The USMC has more Stealth Fighters than the Russian Air Force
        personally.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >353 planned
          Motherfucking crayon eaters are going to end up with more stealth fighters than every airforce outside of NATO combined

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        other countries are busy not letting their citizens die over a bill.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are yuropoors not aware that you don't actually have to pay medical debt, like at all? Like the debt literally just goes away after 7 years and you never have to pay it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Holy mother of copes...

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's also true. It's also illegal to deny medical care to someone that can't, or refuses, to pay. Unfortunately this also applies to illegals which pisses me off.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's not exactly true
          the US federal government (va, mc, ma) spends more per capita on healthcare than the NHS does.

          so it isn't really true that we need more health spending. we could have a NHS-like service and our defense spending. but 'healthcare' has their own complex too and our political system is retarded bipolar shit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Because the US has been funding their defense for 80 years dumb ass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >be useless
          >die
          Not my problem.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But doesn't Japan have more F-35s than the UK?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dont underestimate the poos. India has modern planes. And they have a ton of them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If we've learned anything its that the only country worse than russia is china and the only country worse than china is india, I can smell the shit from here

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    USN. But for countries the JASDF has some pretty impressive kit.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China actually has a stealth fighters in service
    >INB4 "muh chinesium"
    Although they have issues sourcing engines powerful enough they have solved that simple issue by using 2 engines

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean their cargo cult copies of US fighters?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the US Navy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      naw man look at that rust

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wow you mean a baby that actually does things might have rust on it’s ships? Wooow

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F35s operational by country:
    US: 440
    Australia: 50
    SK: 40
    Israel: 33
    Norway: 31
    UK: 27
    Netherlands: 24
    Japan: 23
    Italy: 13
    Denmark: 6

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And do Korea or Japan have anything to rival the brit f35s?
      Yeah, their own F-35s.

      How sad is it that how many F35's you have is now the literally measure of an airforces strength. That such a fucking failure of a program purely by the technological distance to its opponents capabilities has created the current dominant weapon of airwar. Even the US's failures outpace our enemies.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Such a failure"
        Care to explain, retard? Is it the cost? Or that it is better than the other fighters on US service?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's saying that even though the program is a fucking failure of a boondogle
          The F-35 is still the penultimate multirole aircraft
          Because that's just how fucking good we are

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but guessing he means that it was a failure compared to what it could be, but technologically outclassed everything else enough to dominate completely. Not many examples to go off of in history, but it would be like giving people who had small trebuchets a mortar piece. Yes, a large mortar is better than a trebuchet but a small cannon or long barreled cannon would be much more useful. Dedicated platforms will always out perform multi-tools like the F-35, which was tasked with being able to do so many things it is a miracle that someone was even able to get it to fly, while a not failure would be making a dedicated stealth fighter, deep penetration stealth bomber (the current main role given to it), stealth interceptor, Stealth STOL and VTOL craft. Problem with that is while it would be far better for the roles to go with dedicated platforms, it is logistically and economically infeasible for peacetime militarys.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Care to explain, retard?
          Ironic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >F35s operational by country:
      >US: 440
      >Australia: 50
      Holy shit anon I finally have a reason to be proud to be Australian. Literally never happens

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You guys also got the nuclear subs from us too. 3rd nation I think after UK. DC decided that Aussies are the vanguard force against a chinese attack on nato allies.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Japs are the other vanguard but the last time we gave them nukes they were ungrateful about it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Japan is a vanguard but needs to be on a tight leash due to trust issues lingering from WW2 (the redpill is that the US is the country that stopped Japan from becoming a world power and everybody implicitly knows this even if its not talked about in proper company)

            SK is the other vanguard but also needs to be on a leash for different reasons, memes aside SK is far more militaristic than Japan and they are more likely to trigger a large scale war than most other western nations even more than the US, but for this reason SK is perceived as the "stronger" asset in a combat scenario if they are fully aligned with the US

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Japan was never going to be a world power. Plaza Accord or no, their bubble economy was going to burst sooner or later, the US just decided to flex a little. What's to stop America from cucking Korea the same way, should they get to rabid toward north korea or cozy with china, since it seems to swing one way or the other with each new president. Honestly South Korea was a more reliable "partner" when they were a tinpot dictatorship with an american muzzle on them, their global position since fully democratizing seems to swing uncomfortably close to China way too often.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                be honest, how high are your medical bills and student loans right now?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't Japan have to pay for most medical procedures over the mundane?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol retards thinking people in the US really care about medical bills and student loans, last 10 years medical bills = $0, last 10 years student loan bills = $0, post-grad and could have gone for doctoral for free if I cared enough

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have ANY fucking clue how much China/Korea/Japan hate each other? What sort of video game designed fantasy world do you exist in?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                South Korea definitely "likes" the US better than China on a grassroots level, there's always a minority but the vast majority of SK people have favorable opinions on the US and unfavorable opinions on the China, in fact some international surveys indicate that SK "hates" China more than any other country does in the world, its usually either SK or Japan that "wins" the hate China polls

                But they are also hyper-capitalists even more so than the US so will try to play Switzerland where they were technically neutral but did business with both the Allies and Nazis

                But more to your point the real risk in SK today is that if NK did attack to include with nukes the US may not necessarily get militarily involved which is placing enormous pressure from the SK people to arm up with nukes as well

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for being the only one to recognize that I was talking about political maneuvering and policies instead of how much your average korean or japanese likes each other. For what it's worth when I spent some time living in both countries the overwhelming majority of people I interacted with felt very positively about each other's countries and had either visited or hoped to visit them. Any angst between the two seems to be the result of a rapidly dying off handful of elderly as well as intentional pot stirring by certain politicians for points/distracting from their own shortcomings. While I understand Korea having to walk a fine line due to their proximity physically and economically to China, as you've said the Koreans have gone so hypercapitalist that I worry every time their administration changes; however I'm cautiously optimistic that Yoon and Kishida might be able to finally bury the hatchet and get Korea and Japan solidly back into trilateral cooperation with America.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The redpill is that Korea, and SK in particular, are genetically almost the same as Japan, and in particular Honshu/Kyushu/Shikoku, NK is genetically closer to Manchus/Mongols/Siberians, both SK and NK share a language and there is substantial genetic overlap as well, but other than a handful of families historically from the border regions, are essentially two different ethnic groups

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The redpill is that Korea, and SK in particular, are genetically almost the same as Japan,
                The redpill is that even "Japanese" is a meaningless term when you're talking about east asian politics. I understand that this is almost impossible to understand coming from a country that uses terms like "White" and "Black", but if you want to understand the actual thoughts that drive east asians, and east asian policy, you need to be able to break down sentences like this.
                >We are not going to let someone from the buraku become the prime minister, are we?

                The idea that Koreans and Japanese are similar enough genetically to be socially relevant is laughable everywhere other than America and the parts of Europe that follow American politics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The redpill is that Korea, and SK in particular, are genetically almost the same as Japan
                some of Japan, don't besmirch the based JOMON BVLLS

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lmfao, the jomon are literally hobbit sized dwarfs and the yayoi were like the elves, average jomon male was around 4'6" to 4'9", even back then yayoi were the size of europeans, around 5'6", its why the colonization of japan by yayoi who originated from the korean peninsula was completely one-sided, you may not realize it but to japanese to be even implied that a japanese has jomon heritage is infinitely worse than if a kkk redneck from the deep south is told they have a few drops of [email protected] blood, dead fn srs

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                of course the low T filthy-korean-descended Japanese would be jealous of the high T JOMON BVLL descended ones that can actually grow facial hair like real men

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Koreans have higher testosterone levels than Japanese, comparing yayoi to jomon is like comparing dolph lundgren to danny devito

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The world generally knows hos mongols mogged the world, this is basically what the yayoi did to the jomon except with more brutality

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is what the japs think they look like. Literally the right.
                You fell for a hiki meme, retard.
                There is a reason that BTS wins every award in japan. Its because nip women think that even a Korean fag is more manly than jap "men".

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its far more complex than that, Australia is borderline compromised with Chinese influence, far more than any other western nation, there is a proxy cold war occurring in Australia which will likely determine which side prevails long-term, an Australia that is a Chinese client state in 50, 100+ years will have as many Chinese in Australia as there are people in the US at some point, the whole narrative about amount of "liveable" space in Australia is fakenews, NSW and Victoria alone are the size of Japan and SK and probably has more available natural resources too, Japan and SK together have 175 million people, let that sink in

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        RAAF actually has a pretty solid military/airforce.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tier 1:
      US: 186 F22s, 433 F35s, 460 F15s, 668 F18s, 948 F16s

      Tier 2:
      SK: 40 F35s, 59 F15s, 167 F16s, 60 FA50s
      Japan: 23 F35s, 155 F15s, 62 F2s (F16s)
      Israel: 33 F35s, 58 F15s, 175 F16s
      UK: 24 F35s, 101 Typhoons
      Italy: 19 F35s, 92 Typhoons, 50 Tornados
      Australia: 54 F35s, 24 F18s

      Tier 3:
      Saudi Arabia: 232 F15s, 72 Typhoons, 81 Tornados
      Netherlands: 21 F35s, 40 F16s
      France: 96 Rafales, 108 Mirages
      Germany: 141 Typhoons, 68 Tornados
      Spain: 68 Typhoons, 72 F18s

      Does the 24/27 for UK include those present in the Fleet Air Arm or is it just RAF

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        UK purchased 27 units that had been delivered and operational

        23 are operational in the UK
        3 are in the US for training by UK pilots
        1 was lost when a UK pilot crashed it into the Mediterranean

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that one they lost the one that looked like it rolled off the end of the ramp? What the hell actually happened with that?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why does norway have so many f-35s?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is one of the richest oil countries in the world that also neighbors russia buying so many of the most advanced fighter jet on the market?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, why?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            pilots want a good ride

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norwegian air force is 27 F35s, nothing else, per capita its by far the highest quality air force 100% 5th gen, close US ally, near arctic circle/Russia, and very wealthy, also just lol that they never bought the gripen really says something about the quality of the gripen when Norway, Finland and Denmark all take a pass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norway is what happens when you take a generic oil moron state and give it leadership that isn't retarded.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norway is in NATO, but they don't have a large population or border any hostile states. So it makes sense for them to invest their money in aircraft that can easily be deployed anywhere NATO needs it.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tier 1:
    US: 186 F22s, 433 F35s, 460 F15s, 668 F18s, 948 F16s

    Tier 2:
    SK: 40 F35s, 59 F15s, 167 F16s, 60 FA50s
    Japan: 23 F35s, 155 F15s, 62 F2s (F16s)
    Israel: 33 F35s, 58 F15s, 175 F16s
    UK: 24 F35s, 101 Typhoons
    Italy: 19 F35s, 92 Typhoons, 50 Tornados
    Australia: 54 F35s, 24 F18s

    Tier 3:
    Saudi Arabia: 232 F15s, 72 Typhoons, 81 Tornados
    Netherlands: 21 F35s, 40 F16s
    France: 96 Rafales, 108 Mirages
    Germany: 141 Typhoons, 68 Tornados
    Spain: 68 Typhoons, 72 F18s

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is Israel, which is the size of a single city, fielding a better air force than almost any country? Their pilots seem top tier too historically.

      How is it that they have a third of the Russian defense budget, and a tiny fraction of the population, but they can actually mobilize a larger army and their soldiers actually have optics, armor, and working vehicles?

      Like, where did all the roubles go? Is having God tier gnomish accountants to make sure your countries MIC doesn't steal/waste all the defense money actually more important than most other defense things?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        when my father was a conscript in hungarian peoples army in 80s, they did the same shit rooster soldiers do now: do bare minimum of work, steal and sell fuel and any tools, and having lot of their time forced to spend doing pointless, timewasting, punitive activities.

        as for higher up stuff, its petty corruption and general slavic incompetence. don't get me wrong, Russians have(well, had) genius engineers and scientists, but unless pressured like in WW2, they just can't see through such a complex project like building and maintaining thousands of T-14s.

        As for Soviet stuff, they may have huge stockpiles but how useful most of that is after 30 years of questionable storage, anyone can see its results.

        A Hungarian milblogger said it sarcastically: "Yeah, maybe thew latest 9k3593JT1 Komplexum "Nuzajec" is awesome on paper, too bad there's not enough O rings and DOT3 fluid to make it actually go".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They take what they do very seriously.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is Russia wants to kill all of it's neighbors, while all of Israel's neighbors want to kill it. Motivation is a little different as you can see.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          israel neighbors wouldnt want to kill them if garden gnomes did not take every opportunity to steal and occupy the surrounding natives lands. israel and garden gnomes have always been a good puppet of the west and starting wars to fit western agenda and have gotten so many reparations and handouts from the west that its no wonder, of course now they are more independent after these years handouts and reparations.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The first thing Israel's neighbours did upon the declaration of it's independence was to illegally occupy Palestine (The Egyptians in Gaza, the Jordanians in the West Bank) then attempt to do the same against Israel. By 1967 the calculus was that those shitty neighbors could get fucked, and the Palestinian independence can be sorted out after. But then Israel's ultra-nationalists murdered Yitzchak Rabin, and won the propaganda war within Israel thanks to the intifadas.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        holocaust reparations and gibs from usa.

        why didn't garden gnomes ever fight back in europe? wonder what made them so strong they barely lifted a finger during holocaust

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nice bait

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're not going to beat them for accountants, that's true. Every penny will be accounted for.

        holocaust reparations and gibs from usa.

        why didn't garden gnomes ever fight back in europe? wonder what made them so strong they barely lifted a finger during holocaust

        Yeah, but the Russian defense budget is that much bigger with all the US aid included.

        garden gnomes did fight in WWII. They fought in the Soviet military in large numbers, in the Polish military, for the UK, USA, etc. The Germans began killing gnomish civilians after those militaries had been defeated and driven from the areas in question.

        Even then, there were camp uprisings, as a prolonged uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto. However, it's hard to beat a 20thv century military without weapons.

        Same with WWI and the pogroms. garden gnomes backed the Black Army because it banned pogroms.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is having God tier gnomish accountants to make sure your countries
        Most of Israel is white european ethnicity. Although they casually pretend otherwise.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You got to remember that the Israeli airforce is up against Arab countries, so their opposition isnt up to much.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US with the infinite money cheat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tier 2:
      >SK
      For fucks sake, the person pushing South Korea so hard is even more obnoxious than vatniks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anybody that does not consider the third largest F35 fleet in the world qualifies for the next level down the US is a fakenews troll, if anything I was being generous including the other countries in tier 2, this is not even factoring the pipeline of committed combat jet fighters for SK

        If anything the purely objective tiers are:
        Tier 1: US
        Tier 2: SK
        Tier 3: Israel
        Tier 4: Australia
        Tier 5: UK/Japan
        Tier 6: Italy/Saudi Asrabia
        Tier 7: Netherlands/France/Germany/Spain

        Seriously, list a single country that is even close

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The KF-21 is going to be a significant boon for their combat capability.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, SK already committed to purchase more F35s and KF21s, the gap between SK and the other countries below SK is going to widen, the gap between the US and SK will close but its still an enormous gap, in reality US could probably take rest of world at the same time when factoring in command/control, maintenance/repairs, logistics, etc.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > For fucks sake, the person pushing South Korea so hard is even more obnoxious than vatniks

        > Delusional brainlet thinks that despite being the <0.1% of the world that does not know considers the other 99%+ of the world that knows as common knowledge that SK is the second most powerful military in the world "pushing" a narrative

        Cope, seethe, and for you most importantly don't forget to dilate, you get uppity when you forget to dilate daily you fucking chud

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Plebbit spacing
          >Parroting "chud/dilate"
          Nice projection gay, you can go back to your asylum now

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon but
            >ignores actual facts
            >gets called out
            >massively butthurt over being called a chud
            >"R-r-reddit! It must be redditors!!"
            Unironically at this point, the brainlets screaming "Korea shill" are the fucking annoying ones. Always so desperate for whatever reason to shut down a discussion about one of the strongest and fastest growing militaries and MIC in the world that is also in one of the volatile regions in the world.
            Actually kys so that the quality of PrepHole can improve.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Jesus fucking christ Kim kook poo. Maybe take more than 50 years to win your stupid civil war before you go around shilling your flying coffin to countries with actual threats

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Listen to the anons, anon and go dilate. You seem to be in desperate need of it.
                YWNBAW

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                chud you usually feel better after dilating but you are still uppity so you need to increase the size of your dildo next time ok gay? lol, now get off my board

                This anon writes like a chud

                One Won has been deposited into your account. Thank you for your service.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So do you seethe for free, chud?
                Or do you get paid in yuan to seethe?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Two Won has been deposited into your account. Thank you for your service.
                (And by the way, they're paying me in CHF, since you're asking)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So that explains it, swiss are notorious trannies, I've visited zurich several times for business and the amount of swiss trannies at night is disturbing, there are also a lot of swiss cucks with migrants banging all the local women (and sometimes men lol)

                Anyways what is a swiss-miss doing on /k, here is switzerlands deadly air force inventory:

                25 F18s
                27 F5s
                24 Eurocopter AS532s
                18 Eurocopter EC635s

                Lol, such shame lmfao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This /k anon is a confirmed chud, please go to /lgbt you will be welcomed there unlike here

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                chud you usually feel better after dilating but you are still uppity so you need to increase the size of your dildo next time ok gay? lol, now get off my board

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This anon writes like a chud

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For a supposedly pacifist nation, Japan certainly armed to the teeth.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They have a bad history with Russia (who still owes islands that Japan claims is theirs) and China. Frankly our war with Japan is an anomaly in the greater historical context between the two of us, and it's one we have largely moved past. They may not like us, and we may not always get along politically, but they like us a hell of a lot more than those two

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Frankly our war with Japan is an anomaly in the greater historical context between the two of us, and it's one we have largely moved past.

          What kind of cringe statement is this? Any foreign war Japan fights is a fucking anomaly by your standards since the Japs didn't fight a lot of those until they went empire mode in the 1800s.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The US had good relations with Japan from the 1850s to the 1930s and again since WW2. Contrast that with Russia where they fucking intervened against the British to keep them out of the US Civil War but everything since 1917 has been shit aside from FDR's machinations. One off anomaly vs. permanent collapse.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bro, the only country that has consistently had higher approval ratings for the US then Japan is South Korea. Japan fucking loves America, and not just it's military envelope but it's culture both past and present. Fucking Japanese brands make better reproductions of classic Americana clothing then US brands do because of a combination of general Japan autism and their passion for imitating the US.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Si vis pacem para bellum

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, does not inspire confidence in bong combat pilots

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      missing USN and USMC

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anybody that does not consider the third largest F35 fleet in the world qualifies for the next level down the US is a fakenews troll, if anything I was being generous including the other countries in tier 2, this is not even factoring the pipeline of committed combat jet fighters for SK

      If anything the purely objective tiers are:
      Tier 1: US
      Tier 2: SK
      Tier 3: Israel
      Tier 4: Australia
      Tier 5: UK/Japan
      Tier 6: Italy/Saudi Asrabia
      Tier 7: Netherlands/France/Germany/Spain

      Seriously, list a single country that is even close

      The numbers for Japan are wrong. According to the Defense White Paper 2022, the JASDF operates 27 F-35A, 200 F-15J/DJ, and 91 F-2A/B as of March 2022, and Japan has ordered 147 F-35A/B so far, which makes it the largest F-35 operator other than the US very soon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Something like 2/3 of total F-35 production is being focused on China containment. No wonder they're desperate for a breakout in hypersonics or space - sea and slow flight are closed to the PLA if war happens.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How to tell the f3 will be a fucking nothingburger: japs decide to buy over a hundred units of a better plane.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, the F-35s are replacements for retired F-4s and early model F-15s not upgradable to JSI (Japanese equivalent of EX) while F-3s replace F-2s. The big order for F-35 was placed in 2018, and the F-X program started in 2020, so it's clear they are going to procure both, and having both 6th generation air dominance fighters and 5th generation strike fighters is reasonable.
          Also, the fighter fleet wouldn't be an exception to the massive buildup they are planning, I reckon the JASDF fighter fleet from the mid 30s will be 150-200 F-3s, 150-200 F-35s, and 100-ish F-15JSI which will most likely be replaced by F-3s eventually.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The weeb cope is real.
            F-2 is a worse F-16 even though they worked with lockheed to make it. Also one of the most overpriced jets of all time.
            X-2 was so shitty that even the japs didnt want it.
            Mediocre 4th gen and nonexistant 5th gen and yet they are supposed to pull a 6th gen out of their asses in 8 years? I swear, nips and weebs have vatnik levels of cope.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It'll be like the FA-50 where Lockheed does 80% of the work but they still sell it to the voters as a domestic jet.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Doesn't the F-2 as a bad F-16 still make it better than everything it might have to fly against from China?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason F-16 is favored over better jets is because it is so economical. And economy, not specs, is king in war. This is the biggest reason why the axis lost ww2. They just couldnt keep up with superior allies production despite most of their shit being better on paper.
                In a theoretical chink vs nip air assets only battle, the japs would win but it would be due to the superiority of F-15 and F-35, not the f2. If anything, the f2 would be a huge liability as it is so expensive to replace so that once it is damaged or shot down, it is either down for good or a bigger drain to the country than other jets.
                The f2 is entirely a showpiece for jap nationalists to drool over. Even as countries around the world are scouring the world for more F-16s, literally nobody, not even the japs mention the f2 because of how much of a failure it is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The F-16 is also a good fighter though. Is the F-2 a terrible fighter or good fighter?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's got a larger wing and serves mostly as a bomb truck for antiship cruise missiles, not a fighter. Hence the blue camo.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mediocre and overpriced.
                Read what you replied to, its all there.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That post goes over cost and logistics, not whether it can do its job in the air.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >job in the air
                f2 is not combat proven and potentially never will be. Can it fly and fire missiles? Yes, but so can chink and pajeet shit. Doesnt make any of them good planes.
                But the main point is that output is always relative to input. Thats why the anon focused on cost and logistics.
                Why have a jet that is a copy of a well-proven jet and yet is more expensive with less functionality? Cost alone makes it a liability in a war and war is a fighter jets primary purpose.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A US made F16 maybe, but a Japan made F16 would not want to be the pilot flying that into a real combat situation, keep in mind the F16 is 1970s vintage, a great combat jet fighter but need to put a lot of the latest toys on it to be effective against modern adversaries today something only the US has the know-how to do

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >cope
              Nice projection.

              >F-2 is a worse F-16 even though they worked with lockheed to make it. Also one of the most overpriced jets of all time.
              The F-2 only resembles the F-16 in shape, practically it's a different fighter with different fuselage, different wings made of different materials, different avionics, different missiles, etc, and it's the world's first AESA equipped fighter. Some of its technologies, originally developed for completely indigenous FS-X fighter, were so advanced (equal to or even more advanced than US counterparts in development) that the Americans were surprised and brought it back to the US, which demonstrates Japan's fighter manufacturing capability is top-notch if not superior to the US overall.
              And the F-2 is expensive because they had to pay hefty license fees for the forced F-16 reference which they didn't even need in the first place, and forced work sharing with US companies also made supply chain more complex and high cost. As such, it was destined to be expensive, it's not Japan's fault but the US intervention out of fear of the 80s Japan fucked it up. Had it not for the intervention Japan would've made a more affordable Rafale/Typhoon like twin-engine 4.5th generation fighter they had already designed, and the US already knew in the 90s that Japan had no trouble building an indigenous next generation fighter (5th gen at the time) by itself, so it's no surprise they are working on a 6th gen now. It's a detailed RAND study, worth reading, at least more than your delusions.

              >X-2 was so shitty that even the japs didnt want it.
              As the name shows the X-2 is an eXperimental aircraft, a stealth technology demonstrator, not a prototype fighter or anything. It's part of preliminary study for the F-X.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >jap talking about the f-2: NOOOOOO! nip jets are so advanced that the Americans copied us!
                >jap talking about the x-2: NOOOOOO! It was just experimental, we didnt actually want to make a 5th gen. We totally could because America-sama acknowledged us but we just didnt want to even though ours would have been better.
                So even though the nips have imaginary tech that America was jealous of, the nips still had to go crawling to bongs for help on their latest jet? Are you perhaps related to armatard?
                Next time, jap, if you have nothing to say then just shut the fuck up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what he said

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >which demonstrates Japan's fighter manufacturing capability is top-notch if not superior to the US overall.
                Added to long list of countries that could totally produce a fifth generation fighter that would be totally amazing because "long list of cope here"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >long list of countries
                not really, only a handful of countries have the technological and industrial bases essential to producing a fully domestic 5/6th gen fighter from scratch. a 5/6th generation class engine alone would reduce it to 7 or 8 countries.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was sarcasm, the list of countries that can produce a fifth generation fighter aircraft are as follows:
                The United States of America

                >Muh China
                Unproven platform
                >Muh Russia
                The SU-57 exists only on paper
                >Muh India
                lol
                >Muh Japan
                lmao, even

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Japan has license produced F-35s from scratch in their own factories so you're technically wrong.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol this is LM colonizing Japan, not LM giving Japan 5th gen indigenous capabilities

                But this is also another important indicator that just like historically Japan will never develop an indigenous advanced jet fighter

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                holy mother of all copes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To think Japan can actually produce an indigenous 6th gen when the last indigenous fighter was the zero is delusional, its possible they can eventually develop a 6th gen but it won't be until the world is at 7th gen realistically

            Japan is growing the budget but even if it gets to ~$80 billion, that is not enough to fund 147 additional F35s, expansion/modernization of naval surface fleet, and massive growth in land based missile defense capabilities + a 6th gen fighter, to give context the current UK defense budget is $65 to $70 billion which is close to Japan's aspirational levels

            If anything Japan needs to get serious about defense, as an example Japan has decent conventional submarines EXCEPT they only have torpedos no SLBM capabilities whatsoever, effectively useless for offensive operations

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Precisely why any indigenous fighter development program by Japan or even the UK is symbolic and really their way to ask for more F35s, its painfully obvious by their allocated development budgets approved let alone actually funded

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The aircraft inventory count is fluid so other countries will grow their air force fleets too, but F35 orders should not be counted until actually delivered since some of the delivery dates are 2030+, by then the current F35s will be a half gen behind whatever the latest available combat aircrafts are so the value of 147 F35s today is far different than say 147 F35s in 2030+ when there will be a few countries with meaningful numbers of aircraft that outperform the F35s of today

        But yes Japan is growing its military budget and is targeting 2% of gdp within 5 years which is $80 billion to $90 billion, Germany is as well and their budget will be $70 to $80 billion, this is larger than any country except the US and China

        The other heavyweight military budgets in ~5 years are India $70 to $80 billion, Russia $70 to $80 billion (if they are still a nation by then), UK $65 to $75 billion, SK, $65 to $75 billion, France $60 to $65 billion, and Saudi Arabia $60 to $65 billion

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia wants Ukraine intact
    >Russia doesn’t use its bomber fleet to flatten Kiev
    >Therefore the Russian air force is weak
    Reminder that the USA, Russia and China are the only countries with bomber fleets, which automatically makes those countries the 1st, 2nd and 3rd strongest in terms of air power

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      was only flying a few hundred sorties on Day 1
      lacks the ability to flatten cities from the air
      Russia wants Ukraine intact (please ignore Mariupol and Closing Sale Somme in June/July)

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Norway.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wtf does it do?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        flies up your butthole

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It has a camera on the front, it's for recon.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It can also carry FLIR and NV now somehow in that tiny fucker. Thing is worth more than its weight in solid gold as a result.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was always the USN, Russia never threatened that.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Arabia has magic carpets and shit. You can't beat that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Arabia has magic carpets and shit.
      The Saudis might have flying carpets but the USAF has AIR-2 Genies.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More than likely a better air force than your country unless you are the US, SK or maybe Israel

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have that American and Russian footage from bombing runs in Syria at the same location? It was about a year or so apart and the footage was captured in FLIR for both parties, but the Russian one looked like dogshit and missed a bunch. I'm not referring to the cruise missile comparison pic.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all these boombers with hurr durr USN USMC

    autistic spergs, when people say air force they of course mean air power, generally,

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    #2 is the USA with, while #1 is civilian use

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    U.S. Navy

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh F-35

    You're getting pretty annoying

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Umm by the way, will Ukraine genuinely get F-16/F-35 via Lend Lease prior to the end of the year?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would give my left hand to see them get A-10s.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A-10
        I think ukies will get them 100%, Ukrainian pilots have been training on them for 3 months

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      F16? Maybe. F35? No way in hell

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        September:
        >F35? No way in hell
        February:
        >HIMARS? No way in hell

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No one said no way to HIMARS. The whole board was screaming about it since March and calling Biden a gay ass pussy for not rubber stamping it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not an American military enthusiast but the only way I see Ukraine getting F-35s is if somehow Trump becomes president while the war is still ongoing and Zelensky bribes Kushner to convince Trump to sign some papers without him noticing.

        The big problem is training pilots from slavshit to F-35.

        I don't think it's financially or politically impossible, but it would just be difficult to get it up and running any time soon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >, will Ukraine genuinely get F-16
      I doubt it but it's possible. There are spares in the boneyard
      >F-35
      0.00% chance. Not happening, ever, no fucking way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I foresee Ukraine getting early block F-16s, but they need to be trained to fix them and have the logistics to do so. F-35s are out of the question. The best operational plan is to get Poland and the likes to get rid of their Soviet/Russian-equipment for newer F-16s.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      F-16/A-10 in time for the late spring offensives in 2023 seems plausible.
      F-35 no way in hell.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not an American military enthusiast but the only way I see Ukraine getting F-35s is if somehow Trump becomes president while the war is still ongoing and Zelensky bribes Kushner to convince Trump to sign some papers without him noticing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trump and Zelensky were already working together on stuff in Trump's first term. That's what made Democrats chimp out and impeach him. It's not up to the President, though - fighter jet exports are controlled by Congress. The only way the President sends fighter jets overseas is deploying them.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a top 30 list.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a laughable attempt at air power rankings

      India is at #4 when combining all US branches and Chinese branches, just lmfao

      Here's India operational aircraft inventory:
      36 Rafales
      272 SU30s
      32 Tejas
      65 MIG29s
      51 Mirages
      130 Jaguars
      72 MIG21s

      The textbook definition of a thirdie air force.

      Compare to Netherlands air force which is not even on the list:
      21 F35s (we more on order)
      40 F16s

      All quality combat aircraft with a healthy mix of the only 5th gen other than the F22 which is not available for export.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *23 more on order

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well russia conquered syria while our multi-billion airforces lost in afghanistan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia lost to afghanistan dumbass, but unlike the US which simply got tired of paying the bills, Russia actually got their asses kicked whereas the US completely mogged afghanistan in every combat situation

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lets not pretend that any military in the world in any way near to the US in any way.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I guess there has been too much emphasis on airframe numbers and not enough focus on training, flight-time for pilots and maintenance of said airfleet. Only procure what you can maintain and store.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >second strongest

    i mean when was the last time usa faced an enemy with A/A manpads and an airforce somewhat to the same level?

    oh wait never

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh ho, wait until they bring a whole squadron of THESE babies out of hiding.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China has been ahead of Russia for years now.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically Israel

    1.) 300 aircraft, very large
    2.) All of them are modern, most modern stuff rivals USAF/USN
    3.) Great AWAC/EW support
    4.) Lots of experience

    China is getting there but still lacks experience or the EW ability.

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