So what was the difference in roles between a light cruiser and an armored cruiser?

So what was the difference in roles between a light cruiser and an armored cruiser? Couldn't they both fulfill almost all the same duties?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Light cruiser was just a treaty definition, after reaching a capital ship limit then you'd make miniature armored cruiser (light cruiser).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Washington Naval Treaty was in 1922, Gloucester and ships like her predate that. Light cruiser was originally a just a contraction of light armored cruiser, IE a cruiser that also had a lightly armored belt in addition to the armored deck of a protected cruiser. The role was the same however, they were used for trade protection and raiding, and as scouts for the fleet. Armored cruisers were closer to, but not quite, capital ships in terms of steaming range and armament, faster than battleships of their era, and carried enough armor to shrug off quick-firing guns from lesser vessels but not battleship weaponry. They were truly jacks of all trades, capable of commerce protection and raiding, heavy scouts for the fleet, and standing in the line of battle.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Light cruiser was just a treaty definition, after reaching a capital ship limit then you'd make miniature armored cruiser (light cruiser).

        Thanks. Started playing Rule the waves 3 and didn't quite understand

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How do you add visuals to the ships? Never figured that out so I just hit auto design until I get a turret layout I like and just tweak the displacement to add in armor or AA guns

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pre Washington and London naval treaties it was protected cruisers vs armored cruisers. Protected cruiser meant that only the armored part of the ship was the citadel just below the waterline. Armored cruisers were armored in various thickness all across the ship the same as larger battleships designs at the time. Best explanation is that navies at the time were still thinking in terms of the age of sail, they considered battleships to be doing the same role as the 1st to 3rd rate ships of the line. Armored cruisers did the job of the smaller ships of the line and large frigates. Finally protected cruisers did the job of smaller frigates and sloop/corvettes. Just like we today think about ship classes in terms of ww1 and ww2.

          I see that this about rule the waves and would suggest defining your classes on what damage your armor can absorb ie look at the penetration of 8-9 in AC gun and put your armored cruiser belt armor to the thickness to absorb those shells at all but closest range, put your LC belt armor to absorb 3-4 inch destroyer/ torpedo boats guns, and finally the same to battleships. I don’t suggested putting weight to armoring anything but the main guns and belt.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/bIkNhlw.jpeg

            So what was the difference in roles between a light cruiser and an armored cruiser? Couldn't they both fulfill almost all the same duties?

            Apples and oranges.

            Before about 1905-1910, you had armored cruisers and protected cruisers, which is a difference in armor layout (protected is armor deck only with coal bunkers protecting the sides, armored gets an armor belt as well). It's just that most of the large cruisers with larger guns were built as armored (not all though - RN built protected cruisers only in the 1890s, even very large ones).

            Post 1905-1910, there's the Dreadnought cruiser (aka battlecruiser), effectively taking the "large armored cruiser" thing to its logical extreme.. while the switch to oil firing made the protected cruiser scheme nonviable and adoption of turbines meant that even on a small cruiser you could have an armored belt good enough to protect against 4"-6" gunfire. Hence, the light armored cruiser (later the "armored" bit was omitted entirely).

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              small correction, "adoption of turbines and advances in metallurgy"

              You save weight on propulsion
              Saved weight is instead allocated to protection
              and thanks to the material advances even a meager plate can be a viable protection

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Note that class divisions in RTW don't really correspond to real life.

          With cruisers specifically, it's purely size and caliber driven, which IMO does make more sense. You can absolutely make a CA with protected cruiser armor scheme (like the RN did in 1890s when they realized an armored cruiser with the capabilities they needed would be far too heavy).

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Might as well ask in this thread. What was the difference a large cruiser and a battlecruiser?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One is a term for old WW1 leftovers that mounted contemporary capital ship guns and TDS, while the other was people deciding "what if we build a cruiser but make it really big so that it can beat up other cruisers?" once again around WW2.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"what if we build a cruiser but make it really big so that it can beat up other cruisers?"
        Now I want to see a "larger cruiser"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Naval classification is decided with voodoo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Naval deffinitions are not deffinitive as each nation described each ship type differently.
      Hence one should be free to call the Alaska or Deutchland whatever they want.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A battlecruiser is a fast battleship with no armour

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So what was the difference in roles between a light cruiser and an armored cruiser?
      a light cruiser is armed with 6" guns
      >Couldn't they both fulfill almost all the same duties?
      they did

      pretty sure you already know, homosexual
      >What was the difference a large cruiser and a battlecruiser?
      A battlecruiser has battleship-size guns

      https://i.imgur.com/lbRLv9y.gif

      >"what if we build a cruiser but make it really big so that it can beat up other cruisers?"
      Now I want to see a "larger cruiser"

      >Now I want to see a "larger cruiser"
      Alaska class, duh
      and this is just my opinion but the Deutschland-class Panzerschiffe count as well

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We had a thread for this last month.
      Large Cruisers were a special designation for a scaled-up cruiser hull with heavy, but not battleship, guns and decent range/speed. The Alaska and her sisters would have been some of the nastiest battlecruisers in the world if they were built in 1915. By 1943 they were mediocre ships of the line that were mostly designed to rape other cruisers and provide shore bombardment without wasting a battleship. Also because calling them the "third-class battleships" they were would mean Congress would never have funded them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sea lawyers come in: can a warship signal surrender, merely to give its crew time to abandon ship in lifeboats, and then proceed to scuttle the ship? or are they required to immediately turn over the ship upon signalling surrender?

        >last month
        every week

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What was the difference a large cruiser and a battlecruiser?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Large cruisers are built like cruisers while battlecruisers are built like battleships
      The real answer is that "Large cruiser" existeds so that congress would give the navy funding. After hood congress beard "battlecruiser" and would think "exploding deathtrap" and wouldn't fund it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wouldn't fund it
        Lexington class

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you mean the carriers converted close to a decade before Hood did a funny?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean the battlecruisers still being built 2 years after the Hood first sailed

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you mean the carriers converted close to a decade before Hood did a funny?

              Large cruisers are built like cruisers while battlecruisers are built like battleships
              The real answer is that "Large cruiser" existeds so that congress would give the navy funding. After hood congress beard "battlecruiser" and would think "exploding deathtrap" and wouldn't fund it

              Hood was a fast battleship not a battlecruiser

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >designed as a battlecruiser, built as a battlecruiser, operated as a battlecruiser in the battlecruiser squadron, called a battlecruiser by her owners, design featured similar to slightly lesser degree armor to later designs Bongs called battlecruisers
                >it is not a battlecruiser t. WoWS trained naval history expert

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A direct quote from Eustace Tennyson d'Enycourt while discussing Hood vs the US Lexington Designs post war:
                "It should be borne in mind that "Hood" has all the attributes of a first class Battleship as to armament and protection both above and below water combined with 31 knots speed. The American design has protection more comparable to that of a light cruiser.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The American design has protection more comparable to that of a light cruiser.
                heavy cruiser, perhaps

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hood was a fast battleship not a battlecruiser
                technically correct
                but I was talking about the Lexington class, which were outright battlecruisers. their belt was only of heavy cruiser thickness.

                >designed as a battlecruiser, built as a battlecruiser, operated as a battlecruiser in the battlecruiser squadron, called a battlecruiser by her owners, design featured similar to slightly lesser degree armor to later designs Bongs called battlecruisers
                >it is not a battlecruiser t. WoWS trained naval history expert

                >designed as a battlecruiser
                and then redesigned as a fast battleship
                >built as a battlecruiser
                no
                >operated as a battlecruiser in the battlecruiser squadron
                by virtue of its speed
                >called a battlecruiser by her owners
                both they and the USN also called Hood the first fast battleship
                >design featured similar to slightly lesser degree armor to later designs Bongs called battlecruisers
                but which were never built

                Hood had similar armour protection to the Bismarcks, Dunkerques, Littorios, and North Carolinas, so either it's a fast battleship, or these ships are battlecruisers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yamato were the only battleships, everything else was cruisers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wouldn't fund it
        Lexington class

        And given how shit the Lexington's would have been as battle cruisers, they would have been perfectly right to think of them as exploding death traps. There's a fricking reason they were relatively easy to convert to carriers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sure
          the only point I was making is that Congress had no opinions on the matter

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Battlecruisers have the same guns as contemporary battleships. Large cruisers were basically cruiser killers that had larger guns than other cruisers, but didn't quite measure up to the battlecruiser designation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On the other hand, the large cruisers' guns were comparable to the guns of battlecruisers contemporary to them

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >large cruisers' guns were comparable to the guns of battlecruisers contemporary to them
          what classes?
          >inb4 Alaska
          what battlecruiser is contemporaneous with 1943?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What was the difference a large cruiser and a battlecruiser?
      battlecruisers are are ships of the line/capital ships and heavy cruisers are escorts and target enemy escorts and provide support for smaller screening ships

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The terms 'light cruiser' and 'armored cruiser' are from different eras.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How's Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts now?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frustrating at times, but sometimes fun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Multiplayer soon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a mess, but slowly getting better. I’m still having fun with it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      After playing it a lot.
      Its unsalvageable mess. Because of its gun hit mechanics. Instead of just shooting projectiles and calculating hits in physical way they do formula hit calculating. They calculate percentage of hits basing on the shot conditions (range target maneuver) than launch projectiles in way to achieve that calculated hit probability. So you shot at ship running straight an you get tight salvos but if its start maneuvering suddenly your guns get dispersion of 1 km and send round everywhere. Its a mess. No patches would solve this. It needs total projectiles engine overhaul

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You use light cruisers when it's dark out, silly.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did RtW anon come back btw? haven't been on 4chinz for a couple of months

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