So what is the next NATO "game changer" flop going to be?

So what is the next NATO "game changer" flop going to be?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >translated from Russian

    At this point, the line between trolling, joking, and low effort shilling is impossible to find.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is the very first post-ironic country.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian news network says
    WEW LADS, NOW POST KHARKIV

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >shooting down a HARM missle
    Uhh... with what? lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Uhh... with what? lol
      Pretty much any modern air defense system can hit a HARM. A Tor or something would be capable of this. That is why you fire volleys of them.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Please cite a single example of a HARM missile being actually shot down. Ever. In fact, I'll be generous and let you explain how that's even possible with its tiny RCS and extremely short time from launch to impact at Mach 2.0

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Literally not true and has never happened a single time

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Pretty much any modern air defense system can hit a HARM.
        But Russia doesn't have modern air defenses. Their shit can't even stop helicopter raids into Belgorod.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        sources: trust me bro & my ass

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        we talking the same air defense system that let 2 fat fuck attack helos pass into Russian borders for an oil depot gun run?
        That same system can shoot down faster smaller missiles now?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Turn on radar
      >Missile flies in a straight line directly down your boresight.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Rent free.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >zero effectiveness
    >most were shot down
    >most
    Uhh...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Brave Russian Air defenses made the ultimate sacrifice and stopped them with their hulls before they could hit the innocent ground

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it takes quite a bit of skill to be consistent in your lies

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is the same tactic they've used forever when BTFO by superior technology.

      The idea is that it's not that Russian technology/training is inferior, it's that they couldn't stop the overwhelming wave of incoming fire the West poured at it. It makes Russia look like an underdog against a tide of individually weak 'thems' vs. the chad but low in number 'us' '

      >But wait, isn't swarming a superior opponent with hordes of cheap equipment/personnel a Russian tactic?

      It's called 'projection', anon. Narcissistic authoritarians rely on it because it's the only rhetorical trick they're capable of comprehending.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Only Russia use le human wave
        >What is d-day
        >What is volkssturm
        >What is every Ukrainian offensive in this war

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          russians use russian wave tactics, not human wave tactics.
          as for the examples you listed, none of the are human waves.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    THREAD THEME
    https://streamable.com/hznq55

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://streamable.com/uj3t0o

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The polish flag should have transitioned to the US flag

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Vatmorons source

    When shills get banned?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >this makes me feel bad, mods? MODS!!!

      I think redit I'd more your sort of place.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Holy fuck at least learn english first if you’re going to shill on an english website

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Tвoя мaть coceт члeны в aдy, вaтниггep

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's plausible and we should take this news at face value, comrade. I'm also going to assume a missile that's been around for almost 40 years with a very well known and established service record has had it's entire history falsified.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >40 year history of hitting serb-rigged microwave ovens and friendly materiel

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Serbs will suck your cocks but never jury-rig improvised decoys for you
          Such is life as Russians

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          they also fucked some libyans at some point, and Iraqis

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Serb thinks microwaves will actually work as radar decoys

          Truly a first world cargo cult.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          serb dont try sucking off vatmoron's cock challenge second 1 (impossible)

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i'm convinced, halt all weapons deliveries immediately
    >NATO "game changer" flop
    how's the weather in Izium these days Comrade?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Most doesn't make it far across the border without being destroyed or stolen for black market sale anyway.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Do you guys really not change the copes? I was hearing this cope in February. It's been six months. Get new material.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You're not the target audience.
          This shit works on the retarded pensioners in Facebook and on the woke crowd in twitter, so they have no incentive to change.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Wahhh people that dont live on imageboards understand the truth not the copes we come up with

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Can you say that in English?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/uv5JCuC.jpg

                /k/ope

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous
            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous
            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              English you gay

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it was in English, well done ESL poster.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              que?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Facebook schizos have the true wisdom!
              >Lysenko was right!
              No wonder Putinistan is actually worse than the USSR.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Totally ~~*organic*~~ posting there anon

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >This shit works on the retarded pensioners in Facebook and on the woke crowd in twitter, so they have no incentive to change.
            Nah, they'd want to shill on facebook since the facebook shills get paid better
            Here and newspaper comments are the absolute bottom of the barrel shills you can get

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah a LOT of Javelins up for sale if you know the right places to look. No buyers for Starstreak though, useless Brit shit.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          As opposed to stingers that get stopped by KA52 defences so they have to keep firing two at once to get past it?
          Yeah.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >>Yeah a LOT of Javelins up for sale if you know the right places to look.
          post the onion link I dare you

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Not OP but last time I linked to such places I caught a 30 day in minutes.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          There's not. All of ths Javs I've seen for sale have been spent tubes, essentially just trophies being sold by soldiers for extra cash on the side. This magical black market trade is virtually nonexistent. That doesn't mean it can't exist, but Uke commanders have kept pretty close tabs on their inbound and outbound inventory. Seen a few guns for sale and each instance has been "will sell to Ukrainian citizens ONLY".

          t. knower

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yeah all those HARM missle black market sales. cringe.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Oh no not the heckin black market!!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        can confirm, got robbed in berlin at nlaw-point yesterday.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Was he at least 20m away while robbing you?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You jest, but eventually there will be a conflict, probably in the middle east (again), and it's gonna suck when derka derka is using nlaws and javelins instead of RPGs from the last century.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            that's why we built the phase shifting tan- i mean, yeah, that indeed will be very worrisome.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >not only will you get to fuck a slutty college girl now, you will also get a blowjob from her equally slutty roommate afterwards
            Oh noooooooo

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >losing to an enemy that's losing large amounts of supplies to the black market
        wow Russia's worse at this than I thought

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        "Every time I hear a window breaking in the night, I try to sell my guns online as fast as possible."

        You vatmoron fucking retard.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yesterday a man in a back alley beat me unconscious with a Javelin CLU and stole my wallet

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Da, is why Kharkiv counterattack went so not well for pathetic HATO Ukraine.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Post Izium and Kharkiv

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fuck look at the right at 0:25. The tank commander was catapulted into fucking orbit

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        promoted to cosmonaut

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure that if you look at the top of the explosion at 00:19, you can see him get launched too (he's the twirling thing leaving a small smoke trail when passing through the smoke).

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit. I bet the landing wasn't comfy.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            He lands on the roof of the house at 25 seconds.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Nice catch.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What hit it?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        looks like an ATGM

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        looks like an ATGM

        Looks like a drone strike to me. Javelin would come in at a steeper angle.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          makes more sense now that I look at the missile, I just said ATGM because it didn't seem like an airstrike but I guess it was.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Javelin has a loft and direct fire mode, it can come in at either angle.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ya mudda.

        Possibly Starstreak

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >implying it could possibly be Shitstreak

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You'd never get me into one of these deathtraps.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ofvh3mw.jpg

      Pretty sure that if you look at the top of the explosion at 00:19, you can see him get launched too (he's the twirling thing leaving a small smoke trail when passing through the smoke).

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        jesus that actually might've been him
        I hope the concussion sent him off to saint peter so he didn't have to suffer the fall, that' would've sucked/

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          There is no way he would have survived a blast that powerful. He was already dead.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          it 100% is him.

          You can watch him fall back down too.

          Lands on the roof of that little side building

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            >looks like Team Rocket is blasting of again!!!!

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            https://i.imgur.com/Ofvh3mw.jpg

            Pretty sure that if you look at the top of the explosion at 00:19, you can see him get launched too (he's the twirling thing leaving a small smoke trail when passing through the smoke).

            I made this a week ago...
            https://webmshare.com/jxNya

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I liked it anon 🙂

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          There is no way he would have survived a blast that powerful. He was already dead.

          As a reminder, the crew of the Challenger disaster survived the initial explosion, and would have been conscious for the fall.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but it's likely they passed out (or had their brains mashed against their skulls) during the fall before impact.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              no, the impact was fatal.
              they survived the initial explosion.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      thats alotta dammage

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't he move?
      Arent you supposed to move after firing so as to prevent the enemy from acquiring you?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        He used up his action points firing and had to wait his turn again.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously, if you're going to be stationary the whole time at least pivot your tank so the frontal array is facing the incoming fire.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Disgusting ISIS-American tactic

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine firing a shot the millisecond you're turning into charcoal.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        That was not them firing, that was the explosion being vented out through the cannon.
        Happens most of the time with catastrophic cook offs.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          It was their souls leaving this mortal coil trough the barrel :DDD

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So, they are scared shitless of HARMs eh. Send more. I love the way the Russians do the BDE for you.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/UzzSTbL.jpg

      So what is the next NATO "game changer" flop going to be?

      Just imagine what day 1 of a real war between Russia and NATO would have looked like.
      >Germans shit themselves and give up also loudly encourage everyone else to give up.
      >Austria declares Russian victory.
      >Everyone else proceeds to use what turns out to be "wonder weapons" and wipes out all Russian forces before the end of the day.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The French burn Moscow a second time for some reason

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >We haven't even started the counterattack, how'd you manage that?
          >N'aimeriez-vous pas savoir, burger boy?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >20th HATO-ISIS Baltic Warcrime Deathsquad Batallions (in long white stockings) deployed to St Petersburg with orders to completely depopulate the oblast

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >image_for_ants.jpg

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Try this

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Still tiny and pixelated. Upload a full size one next time gay.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's not me. Also, works on my machine (phone). Moreover, try not to phonepost or learn how to get around it, see

                if you're on a phone, edit the url by removing the "m" from end of the filename, before the filetype
                ie. from
                https://i.4cdn.org/k/1663425328423469m.jpg
                to

                to see the desktop size image

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              if you're on a phone, edit the url by removing the "m" from end of the filename, before the filetype
              ie. from
              https://i.4cdn.org/k/1663425328423469m.jpg
              to

              to see the desktop size image

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Not on phone, no "m" in the filename, just a shitty low res file. Try harder.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >just a shitty low res file
                its not, try opening it in another browser

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Removing the "m" on a phone normally won't work because the page will just redirect to the mobile image anyway, like it did the first time you navigated to the url sans-"m". You have to select "desktop version" or whatever the option is on your device.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                that doesn't happen on my phone

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I just delete the m and change jpg into png if needed and it works for me. I'm using chrome on android, mabye other browsers do what

                Removing the "m" on a phone normally won't work because the page will just redirect to the mobile image anyway, like it did the first time you navigated to the url sans-"m". You have to select "desktop version" or whatever the option is on your device.

                said

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >2562x1438
              >image_for_ants.jpg
              ?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >download image
                >254x160 pixels

                Yes image for ants.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >le meme trollz
                ebin

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Dumb phoneposter.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              PrepHole really needs to ban phoneposting already

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              _for_ants.jpg

              Its 2562x1438 in desktop resolution. You suck at the internet.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Turn phone sideways
              >Hold finger on filename
              >Open in new tab
              >Enjoy full resolution image
              Also, fuck off phoneposter

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Czechs proceed to liberate the trans-siberian railway again

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Quads confirm, Czechs will rule the rails once again.

          >Might actually make them run on time

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    > source: russian state media

    lfmao, vatmorons are getting desperate

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Most of them were intercepted by Russian radars. HATO btfo*~~*~~

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, intercepted with their chassis.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Vatnikkers are in meltdown this month. What went wrong big guy?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      oh no Putin Bois it wasn't supposed to end like this.. anyone know if Argentina is still friendly to ex-war criminals?

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >most of them were shot down
    That just means they need to find a way to launch more of them instead of hoping for a lucky hit. The MIC will find creative new ways of doing so in a retarded loitering-munitions style fashion no doubt.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >some developing nation sends their decades old M60A3s
    >knocks out T-72s left, right, and center because of their thermal sight
    >"wonder weapon!"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      god I wish

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Is that Sam Hyde in the turret?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You know it laddy

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The candyman is practicing in Ukraine before he goes and finds Hasan Piker in Los Angeles.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          imagine Sam getting something like a BTR or even a BRDM and driving it around LA looking for Hasan.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Shit would be kino.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is what a Chinese intelligence gathering program looks like.
    You're really bad at your job, Chang

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever Russia says x is useless against them, does that mean x actually works?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The things they claim to be useless and repeatedly report as "destroyed" are the ones that worry them the most.
      Their propaganda is incredibly transparent if you aren't <80 IQ smoothbrain already primed to believe even the lowest effort anti-west shitpost.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainian Flankers with not-shit Radar and AIM-120s

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    vatnik shills just too stupid

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Wunderwaffen bros….we got too cocky

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Fucking hell m8, Russian propaganda is as useless as their fucking millitary - I know you're paid to post this but it's fucking shit, kinda embarrassing all round. Talk to your supervisor maybe ?

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If the Western weapons have no effect then why is Russia reeing and conducting a gestures of goodwill?

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes more Russian standard "we're losing but its our own fault, not the enemy" propaganda. HARM'S don't work. But we still lost a bunch of AA radars, and the entire front lines radars are switched off 90% of the time because our soldiers simply forget to switch them on.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They've flopped so hard that Russian AA crews have turned their radars off in sheer laughter.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >we are fighting the whole of NATO
    >we are destroying American weapons
    >we are regrouping after losing some land
    >but it is just a feint, we are actually winning

    it must so so confusing being an ordinary Russian

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Source: Russian news
    Vatniks aren't even trying anymore.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      at least they're posting auto
      translations now not just illegible runes

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    American HIMAR anti-ground missiles showed zero effectiveness in Ukraine, most of them were shot down in the air - RT media

    translated from Russian

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't intended to work. Only to make money for MIC.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They were laughing when Nato sent the Himars. And now they are coping hard and seething.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    f16s

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >NATO aircraft must be flying clandestine sorties! That's the *only* way Russia could be losing so many radars and AA!
    >Footage of those same missiles NATO would be using attached to MiGs? Clearly propaganda. Missiles were useless (Radars and AA just exploded on their own).

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >REN TV
    >In 2015, REN TV's documentaries were awarded "the most harmful pseudoscientific project (for spreading of myths, delusions and superstitions)" antiprize by the Ministry of Education and Science (wiki)
    >It's basically PrepHole but Russian state tv
    This source is less credible then "this was once revealed to me in a dream"
    Captcha: GGAY4T

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >PEH TB
    It's the 'history channel at 3am" channel, I wouldn't take it too serious

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >zero effectiveness
    >most were shot down in the air
    What happened to the rest of them?

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    kek the funny thing is Ukraine is shooting moron rigged HARMS that are gimped via no Harm Targeting Pod and even STILL Russians are still getting BTFO by them

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I saved it, but Russians were circulating pictures of laptops that had NATO stickers on them claiming it was proof that NATO was operating in Ukraine and you had major Trump shills on twitter retweeting it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They all tried to delete it, but the internet doesn't forget.
      t dot co/5A5CZQt5dH

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia says they are nazis so they must be!
    Why are retards from my country so easily influenced by shit tier vatnik propaganda

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This going to be like the time russian fake news claime 142 out of 90 tomahawks got intercepted in Syria and later it turned out at least 98% of them hit their target?

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >THERE IS NO PANIC AT THE RADAR SITE

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ah, good to know. Since it's so useless, we might as well give our entire stock to the Ukrainians. That's cool with you guys, yea?

  41. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    ATACMS would be incredibly useful if Joe wasnt a stingy old coot

  42. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    My bet is that the reason it's taking so long to get the Abrams crews "trained" is because the US is absolutely shitting itself at the thought of dumb yukes Yoloing across open ground into Russian enfilade fire and the whole thing is caught on dronecam.

    I mean just look at how many fucking idiots were "shocked" at the destruction of T-90s. And the Yukes clearly think anything American is made of magic. That's a recipe for an absolute PR disaster for the pertagon.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >And the Yukes clearly think anything American is made of magic
      with thermals for both the gunner and commander, color on all their cameras, and DU inserts, even the marine-corp M1A1 would invoke clarkes third law compared to the T-90M

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        moron you can pen it from the side with 30mm or smash it with arty just like any other MBT. If they're not used properly they explode just fine.
        And the T-90M is designed to be CHEAP. The top of the line Russian tank is the T-80BVM.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >The top of the line Russian tank is the T-80BVM.
          >still only has gunner thermals
          >moron you can pen it from the side with 30mm or smash it with arty just like any other MBT.
          commander thermal sights means it can spot threats from turret down position and only expose its turret to fire
          and commander can spot threats attempting to flank through his thermal sight and act accordingly rather than sit there and take it
          odds of even getting to its side armor in the first place is drastically reduced

          and thats just the USMC-upgraded M1A1, for from modern itself
          the M1A2 SEP4 is the modern version used by the army and would actually be black magic compared to anything fielded by the russians

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I understand, but do you understand that that's not going to mean shit to a yuke "volunteer" with 40 days of training who had been told the Abrams is made of Adamantium while the T-80 is made of target practice?
            He's going to go charging across flat ground in broad daylight, dragging an entire platoon behind him, to prove what a dickhead he is, and get everyone killed.
            He can spot the threat on his flanks all he wants they're still going to put a HEAT round into his hull and end him before he can say "turret left".

            >the M1A2 SEP4 is the modern version used by the army and would actually be black magic compared to anything fielded by the russians
            No you're a fucking idiot. It's not magic, it's metal, it breaks.

            So yeah this is definitely my bet for the NATO wunderwaffe to get BTFO in Ukraine.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              >No you're a fucking idiot. It's not magic, it's metal, it breaks.
              It also vastly outclasses the T-80 by such a wide margin, becuase apparently modern electronics are anathema to the russians

              You will probably see news comparable to the HIMARS, absolute domination of their opposite number

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                No. It doesn't. It's an MBT, that's its class. That's both of their classes. The Abrams is just as vulnerable to the same things the T-80 is vulnerable to. But because none of you gays know that, they're going to be employed recklessly and get exploded.

                >You will probably see news comparable to the HIMARS
                The only "news" I've seen about the HIMARS is idiot journalists reading Lockheed marketing material. HIMARS hasn't been the decisive factor in any battles to date, and in reality the reason it's doing so well commercially is because everyone suddenly realized what overwhelming artillery superiority does for a mechanized army while simultaneously realizing they don't have it.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >The Abrams is just as vulnerable to the same things the T-80 is vulnerable to.
                >has CITV for commanders to view threats from the safety of turret down
                >has RCW for 360 degree situational awareness
                >has color cameras, because for some reason the russians have not yet evolved past black and white
                >has GPS to not get lost
                >has laser warning to detect if someone is using any beam-riding missile
                sure, in russia-land we can pretend its the same as the T-80BVM

                we can also pretend an F-16 is on the same level as an P-51D because they are both fighters, while we are at it
                or, in reality, we can see that the M1A2 is nearly a whole generation ahead of the T-80 who still havent figured out the ability to go hulldown properly

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >>has CITV for commanders to view threats from the safety of turret down
                Got this far.
                Is the CITV a magic shield that prevent all possible threats from every angle and from every weapon type?
                No?
                Cool the tank still has vulnerabilities and you're a fucking idiot that thinks technology is magic.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Cool the tank still has vulnerabilities and you're a fucking idiot that thinks technology is magic.
                american vehicles just so vastly exceed russian tanks in realistic capability, that we can safely invoke clarkes third law

                pretty sure russians would find a gun depression of 9 degrees magical at this point

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                American MBTs are just as vulnerable to anti-tank weapons as Russian MBTs and THAT IS ALL THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS.

                If you were purchasing MBTs for your defense force and had access to both options, then the complete shit you are crapping might actually matter. But since no country is actually in that position, it's doesn't matter, at all, even a little bit.

                So you take take your weird anti-Russian shit, shove it right up your arse, and jiggle it around until it feels good. Because the ONLY thing you are achieving with this crap is getting UKRAINIAN soldiers killed because they have to wrong impression about the kit they're being given.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >American MBTs are just as vulnerable to anti-tank weapons as Russian MBTs and THAT IS ALL THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS.
                >situational awareness doesnt matter
                >high-contrast against long range targets doenst matter
                sure, right

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. I am sure. I am absolutely 100% sure that if you use the tank recklessly because CITV is a magic shield then you will get yourself killed. 100%, not a doubt in my mind, which is why it's my bet for the next wunderwaffe to fail in Ukraine.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                A lot of 'reckless' tank usage is actually caused by the crew not being able to detect the threat, so better visibility is actually really useful for avoiding that.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                No moron, reckless behaviour is caused by overconfidence which is what you have in a pretty good but by no means invincible MBT.
                The greatest injustice in the world is that nobody is going to give this gay

                >russians cannot comprehend the massive capability gap that thermal sights grant
                this is probably why outdated 80s weapons are outright mystical to them

                and MBT just to watch him kill himself with it while recording it to show new recruits what not to do.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >russians cannot comprehend the massive capability gap that thermal sights grant
                this is probably why outdated 80s weapons are outright mystical to them

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                also simple shit like reddots and NVG's they can't afford that similiarly give a huge boost to effectiveness, making guns usable outside the very narrow few hours of daylight during half the year.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                the russian mindset:
                >new technology bad
                >look NATO is wasting money on this feature that doesnt make its armor thicker or gun stronger
                >
                russia is probably run by reformers still living in a pre-digital world

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with him in the highly limited sense that if anyone was extremely stupid enough to use tanks the way the Russians have, completely unsupported columns driving through enemy territory which may as well have "AMBUSH ME" written on them, then yes theoretically Abrams would be just as vulnerable.

                We live in reality though and US stopped doing this after Korea. Hell fucking UKRAINE isn't doing it, their armoured spearhead in Kharkiv was a combined arms attack. His argument is only making Russians look even worse.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You'd think they would stop falling for the TANK = INVULNERABILITY BOX meme after losing two thousands of these things...

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Bro, a tank's best offensive and defensive system is arguably the optics. If you're handwaving away the CITV as if it's irrelevant because it's not magic armor, you're really missing the point.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              nice projection there, but only russian conscripts with training consistent soley of ass rape do what you describe

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          T-90M is the only new build tank that Russia has and the only one that has a thermal sight for the commander and the most modern composite armor inserts Russia can produce
          T-80BVM is a T-80BV with the textolite hull inserts and qvuarts turret inserts from the 80s + a gunners thermal sight and Relikt

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        DU inserts isn't fucking magic armor and there is reason to believe that modern Abrams tanks have moved away from DU inserts since late SEPv2 and SEPv3 they have the suffix "M"

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          DU greatly increases protection vs KE threats which russian tanks do not have

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Tungsten inserts would do the same, but better. Fact is late production M1A2SEPv2 and M1A2SEPv3 have a turret serial number ending in M, likely meaning that they have moved away from DU

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Source: Your butthole.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          lmao you stupid fucking bastard, they didn't move away from DU armor in fact the turret plate and hull plate was thickened at the front

  43. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian AD
    >Shooting down HARMs
    Yeah good luck with that.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >can't shoot down Tochka
      >can't shoot down GMLRS
      yeah...

  44. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >anti radar missile
    >game changer
    Those have been around since the 60s and 70s. Why are Third worlders treating normal tech as game changers.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are western journalists treating normal tech as game changers.
      ftfy

  45. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny and sad how consistent the Russian narrative is about any new weapon that comes into play.

    >Supplying X to Ukraine is a red line and we will use nukes if it is crossed
    >Now that X is supplied it is obvious it is overhyped and will do nothing
    >The footage shown of X destroying Y is faked and Russian technology is six decades ahead
    >The continous, consistent footage of X destroying Y is real but is not representative of the larger picture and we destroyed three thousand X last week
    >X destroying an immense amount of Y is unfortunate but we are fighting against NATO and not Ukraine so it is understandable
    >The news that Z might be supplied to Ukraine are unacceptable and a red line

  46. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Did they start attacking Crimea successfully'? cause the vatniks are at unprecedented levels.

  47. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine only gets the garbage that was going to be mothballed anyway. They deserve less.

  48. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine is probably the best chance in decades to test the latest military equipment. I would want to see JASSM-ER performance. I think Finland bought something like 200 of these and it would be good to know if those can be used to turn vatniks into mush.

  49. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Threads about news and current events (like this one) belong on

    [...]

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Threads about the largest military alliance on Earth and about the only hot conflict involving modern weapons systems in decades isn't relevant to the weapons board, it's relevant to 4chan

      I'm onboard with rejecting Z shills but lol

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