So what happens if turkey decides to go ape and attack greece? What's the nato contingency here?

So what happens if turkey decides to go ape and attack greece? What's the nato contingency here? Both are members, so who would trigger article 5 in their favour?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO is a defensive alliance, Article 5 only triggers if someone is attacked. The attacker doesn't benefit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But would that mean that turkey is automatically excluded from nato? Or does it still have some role in the organization? Mind you, turkey is arguably the most important asset americans has in eurasia due to its strategic position that both controls the mediterranean, middle east and eastern europe theatres of war, and is still a huge deterrent for russians in case they want to trigger a war with nato

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But would that mean that turkey is automatically excluded from nato?
        Turkey wouldn't attack Greece unless it had a major falling out with NATO to begin with. As much as Turkey hates Greece and vice versa, the reality is neither would benefit from a war.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >neither would benefit from a war
          Neither country would benefit but countries don't make decisions, rulers do.
          Erdoğan would happily start a war that would ruin Turkey if it saved his ass from hanging.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Neither country would benefit but countries don't make decisions, rulers do.
            As much of an as Erdogan is, he is not an absolute monarch and has a circle of politicians, financiers, and generals that keep him propped up. They collectively, Erdogan included, decide things. And deciding to have all of western Europe frick you in the ass and maybe give Istanbul back to Greece in the aftermath is to nobody's benefit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and maybe give Istanbul back to Greece in the aftermath
              Greece has 10 million people
              Istanbul has 15 million
              How do you think the Greeks would feel about that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So? Populations can be relocated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This wouldn't be a NATO thing
                Greece is in the EU and the EU is also a mutual defense alliance.
                The rest of the EU would have to go and bail out Greece which considering the naval balance in the med wouldn't be such a hard thing to do.
                The US would do its level best not to get involved because it has bases in both countries.
                The UK would probably side with the Greeks.
                The Russians who knows/cares.

                They would lament the amount of digging they'd have to do for the mass graves, lazy fricks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The rest of the EU would have to go and bail out Greece which considering the naval balance in the med wouldn't be such a hard thing to do.
                tbf italy's navy was basically MADE for this exact purpose. a franco-italian strike force would be especially lethal since they know the precise ins-and-outs of the turkish navy (they built it for them)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >EU is also a mutual defense alliance.
                Means literally nothing lmao read it. The most reliable country who morally sticks up for nations when in distress has left the EU. You would be stuck with begging France or Germany for help.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The most reliable country who morally sticks up for nations when in distress has left the EU
                is this the newest bong cope? when was the last time britain ever did anything but being a prissy b***h to other euro countries just to make a statement? in any case, none of this matters anymore, you're not part of the club so shut the frick up and enjoy your cultural enrichment.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >First to step up for Ukraine led the pack from the start constantly crossing every red line Germany and France shit thereself at.
                Lol
                Lmao
                >shut the frick up and enjoy your cultural enrichment.
                Bottom tier EU spondge detected, imagine being from Bulgaria kek

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're talking bullshit, also
                >jeopardizing the interests of european nations=protecting them
                bongs only want one thing and that is preventing the rise of a new superpower in europe. that is literally their only objective since henry VIII fell down the horse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think Macron would have any issue killing Turks

                Germany would be a problem seeing how a quarter of their population is Turkish now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >M-m-macron
                The guy thats intel was so bad they didnt know Ukraine was about to be bum rushed? The guy that sat across from Putin on that huge table and belived his bullshit?
                Sit down Sponge.
                >German immagration
                >Bong immagration
                leave with you Bulgar, original statement stands the EU is a good econonic zone for border line turdies with no domestic economy it is fallacy to believe it would be an effective military unit. Ukraine is a prime example of the infighting in the EU towards military action.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                First, what does any of that have to do with France backing Greece over Turkey?Macron has already said he would

                Second, take your meds and touch grass

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What does commiting military action have to do with Frances shit track record of commiting military action
                Are you brain dead?
                >Macron said he would
                Oh wow Politician says X to X country to encourage said nation to buy Military hardware.
                Bro get a fricking clue. Take a look at the imediate donators to Ukraine, they are the most reliable Militaries in Europe and half of them only because they border or are closely bordered to Russia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >First to step up for Ukraine led the pack from the start constantly crossing every red line Germany and France shit thereself at.
                Lol
                Lmao
                >shut the frick up and enjoy your cultural enrichment.
                Bottom tier EU spondge detected, imagine being from Bulgaria kek

                >be bong
                >be having a pajeet prime minister
                >be having a prince banking some mutt divorcee half Black person
                >be having rape gangs the police covers up for for over a decade
                >start shit with other euro countries
                do you by any chance have a humiliation fetish?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                >M-m-macron
                The guy thats intel was so bad they didnt know Ukraine was about to be bum rushed? The guy that sat across from Putin on that huge table and belived his bullshit?
                Sit down Sponge.
                >German immagration
                >Bong immagration
                leave with you Bulgar, original statement stands the EU is a good econonic zone for border line turdies with no domestic economy it is fallacy to believe it would be an effective military unit. Ukraine is a prime example of the infighting in the EU towards military action.

                >deflects onto migration when upset by facts
                >Doesnt deny being a sponge from Bulgaria
                Lmao

                you're talking bullshit, also
                >jeopardizing the interests of european nations=protecting them
                bongs only want one thing and that is preventing the rise of a new superpower in europe. that is literally their only objective since henry VIII fell down the horse.

                Stay mad, dont come begging when the French Defence pact falls because they were pinky promised an invasion wouldnt happen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >everyone that doesn't suck gelled eel trough a straw is a bulgarian
                blijf je zelf dat vertellen bong Brexit is het beste wat de britten gedaan hebben voor de EU

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Inferior drunk German rambling
                Its ok, you tried.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh shit the bot's speaking in tongues.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                heetleer dood, wat nou? ikk ook

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's not the point, my point is: is the USA willing to part with turkey? i mean it would not be the first time they sweep some dirt under the rug just to get the best deals, and in case greece gets attacked or harassed, i bet america would prefer siding with the turks rather than support a bankrupt statelet that doesn't provide them the money or the military importance the former give them. which in turn means that while europe calls for military ation against turkey and its immediate removal from the nato board, the USA would probably be more reluctant in doing so. at least, until russia still poses a threat.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that's not the point, my point is: is the USA willing to part with turkey?
            US is willing to part with either Turkey or Greece because Greece allows access to the European mainland and Turkey allows access to Asia/Middle East, and both control the Black Sea. Having both in NATO is in the US's interest, and Turkey is better off in NATO as well as otherwise it would have to rely entirely on Russian trash while also being a target for future Russian aggression (because the Russians really don't like being bottled up in the Black Sea).
            >i bet america would prefer siding with the turks
            At this point I have to ask:
            Are you either
            >Greek
            >Turkish
            >Russian
            If you are, then please frick off with this garbage understanding of geopolitics. Turkey needs only to look at what's happening in Ukraine to rid itself of any delusions of invading Greece. Far better to invade Syria, which the US would completely permit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Are you either

              i'm neither. i'm just asking because so far turkey received a lot of attentions from the USA. and i don't like the idea of a dictatorial regime having access to american nukes and a modern navy. i'm also worried of their drone building capacity

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                c**ts who host US nukes don't control them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that i know, but nuke proliferation is still a thing, and they're a little too close to terrorist states for my comfort.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro. Go back to playing CK3 or Victoria. You're not Greek just because your wog great gramps hopped off the boat to escape being a goatfarmer. No amount of jacking off can bring your fantasies to reality.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, Greece could call it while Turkey couldn't.
      As for what would happen I wouldn't be surprised if we got a EU vs US proxy war with the US supplying Turkey and the EU putting boots on the ground for Greece.
      For some reason the US seems to love Erdoğan when it would be better for everyone to overthrow him and put someone else in charge of the straights.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >US seems to love Erdoğan
        Which is why they kicked him out of the F-35 program and still refuse selling news F-16s to him.
        >overthrow him and put someone else in charge of the straights
        The US has an interest in Turkey developing a functional democracy. Couping unfavorable leaders won't do that. Erdogan isn't eternal and will eventually retire. As such the US basically tolerates him but makes sure to put screws on him whenever he acts out of line.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >US loves Erdogan
        They love Turkey for its geographical location and being one of the only few countries in the region with its shit together compared with their neighbors. They don't love them so much however that they're willing to throw their relationships with the entire EU under the bus however. The BGC lobby in the US is also bigger than the Kara Boga lobby.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The US depends too heavily on the Turkish hair plug tech

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We tried killing Erdogan with a weird cultist who now lives in a retreat in Pennsylvania.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    article 5 can be triggered by anyone wo is attacked so yeah greece could invoke it. greece could also invoke the EU defence article. france has been vocal about supporting greece if something like that would happen.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    US defends Greece and takes the straits or make NATO as worthless as CSTO.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The defending party can push for an Article 5 vote, so Greece.
    But Greeks have extremely modern and capable navy and air force, meaning that it would be over before NATO could muster a response.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      turkey still has the superiority in numbers. the army alone counts almost 700k operatives. not only that, for decades europe provided them with state of the art weaponry and systems. the FREMMs come to mind.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Turks would win if they could bait out a battle of infantry, not a war with navies and airforce.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And if the troops were bombed constantly?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Then NATO take Constantinopole back and makes the map pretty and aesthetic instead of this weird tentacle Turkey has in European territory.

    Also with NATO controlling half the city (I assume they would only take the wester part), no more control of the straits for Turkey.

    Then, myself I woud admit Constantinopole as an independant city state, sort of like Monaco. (No, Greece does not particularly "deserve it" no matter what they think. Plus the population problem someone mentioned, even if half of it)

    Liberal/Secular Turks are welcome and would be very keen on some sort of population exchange where secularists go there and sharia lovers go to Turkey.

    And without it/them (due to the usual big city = liberal phenomenon) I have no doubt Turkey would then become another butthurt islamic shithole quite fast.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is more people in Thracian Turkey than there are Greeks in Greece.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Since the assumption here is that Turkey will attack Greece, presumably in order to take islands and displace the population there just because "they wanna", why the heck would I care for this? Tit-for-Tat. People cannot complain if the same stuff they support for others is done against them.

        I dont support attacking Turkey out of the blue if thats what you are asking about. All they have is stay put and not attack people.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the nato contingency here?
    Germoney withholds the neetbux to Greece and Turkey , both side surrender

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europe defers decision making on who should get their support to a non-aligned regional power such as Rojava.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The frick is Rojava?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Constantinople 2.0 but it's athens this time

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EU would not help Greece.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally nothing will happen under NATO which wouldn’t otherwise happen. Treaties, even legally-binding ones, are just pieces of paper. Literally no one will make a policy decision based on treaties; they are tools and if they are no longer useful they get ignored / scraped. I’m willing to bet everything I own that if Turkey attacks Greece the other NATO members will stay out of it with providing aid to Greece and sanctions against Turkey the most anyone will do.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkey is "nato" like japan is an "ally", both are culturally non judeo-Christian nations that will always be perceived as outsiders, though Turkey is culturally closer to the west than japan...these countries are only allowed to be part of the club if they abide by the rules of the west, none of this foreign monkey tier garbage

    When push comes to shove NATO will back Greece 10/10 times, look at all of those thousands of islands just off the Turkish coast, its all Greek territory

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

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