so now that this is going to become a reality, do you think the 49 year old 4th generation F-16 will stand a chance against the 13 year old 5th generation SU-57?
so now that this is going to become a reality, do you think the 49 year old 4th generation F-16 will stand a chance against the 13 year old 5th genera...
They won’t square off. F16 will just continually launch NATO grade-munitions to bring us close to TZD.
Honestly, I don’t even think the immediate game changer will be f16s shooting munitions at all, A2A or A2G. It will be the fact that they will be able to
Efficiently locate any Russian SAM assets that radiate on them with SEAD pods and instantly pass that heading/distance info back to command for quick drone confirmation and artillery/rocket strikes
I just hope we get some f16 kino, please let there be f16 kino, she has always been my favorite plane.
>4 prototype planes that haven't even done anything vs 4000 potential tried and tested 4th gen planes
yeah it will
>4 prototype planes that haven't even done anything beside crushing
fixed
>besides crushing
Yeah, crushing MiGgers and moron skin airplanes for half a century.
Visual reference for illiterate zigger orcs.
>into bushes
yes
Any russian plane is crippled from having zigger pilots
>a fighter jet with exception BVR combat experience and capabilities vs an F-16
gee anon I wonder which will win
The one that actually exists.
>a fighter jet with exception BVR combat experience and capabilities
So the F-16? The Su-57 has no experience, also learn English you ESL.
>t-there are no SU-57s!
fine, lets go with any of the other modern Russian jets, the SU27, SU30, SU34, SU35, MIG35s etc. Will 42 F16s stand a chance against all those you think?
>Russian garbage that have already taken heavy losses and airframe stress due to piss poor design and over use
Yes.
Yeah probably. Russians are mystery meat alcoholic pedophiles. Their planes are shit too.
None of those planes have been able to gain air superiority either. What is supposed to change here?
They just use them as missile launchers. fly up high so the missile can glide back down to earth and hit a target farther away than if it was launched from a ground station.
F16s are better then all of those planes
(You)
>AMERICA vs slavshit
Gee I fucking wonder what will come on top
Slavic technology ofc
BOOBA
Well, the Su-57 has performed about the same against Ukraine's MiG-29s... Which is to say, not at all. Russia's most recent equipment is all vaporware and its only purpose was to make people like you think Russia was tougher than it was.
Ah yes I too remember when the Iraqi Air Force defeated the US Air Force during the Golf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom.
yes, but actually not.
The image that shuts up every vatnik immediately
Su-57 began development in 1979.
When did Russian airframes achieve supremacy over NATO equivalents in last 50 years? Iran-Iraq war, or rather, aerial component of it, was extremely one sided because Iran had a few F-14s.
Russian equipment has not proven itself more effective. What we have learned though is, despite numerical superiority... Russia cannot gain air or naval supremacy against a nation with no navy and an air force that is a fraction their size. The equipment you're talking about plays a role here, it's also a skill issue. Stop acting smug, all your arguments are easily refuted by conditions on the ground.
Where does the idea that Ukraine wants to use F16 in an air combat role come from? I doubt they will even cross over the Russian lines. They won't have to.
i think the idea is to be retarded in hopes of bringing everyone down to that level
Yeah, another zigger ploy
I am quite looking forward to seeing what kind of surplus ammo is available for all these F16s. Bet there is a glide bomb or missile for each zigger, in the vaults.
neither will do anything cool because slavs can't into air
by the time the maintenance logistics and personnel will be ready to service the F-16 the plane will be at least 52 years old
I've asked this question in a shit load of F-16 threads but never gotten a straight answer. Someone PLEASE give me an answer on this: What missiles would Ukraine be given to go along with the F-16? Like surely they wouldn't give them AIM-7's would they? What model of AIM-120 would they get? Obviously they wouldn't get the D model, and then with regards to IR missiles I highly doubt they'd be given AIM-9X's, so what, AIM-9M's? AIM-9L's?
Unironically they might get Meteors rigged to them, unless they're also rolling out Gripens relatively quickly
Wait what
Ukrainians have Meteors or would get some? I REALLY need some proof to believe that anon because that would be insane. If they already have or are scheduled to get Meteors, they'd basically have won the air game.
Ukies are not getting meteors or aim 120Ds, let’s be real. There’s just doesn’t exist sufficient stockpiles of either to give ‘em away
you don't need that many to scare the Russians into submission though, and Meteors are supposed to go on F35s anyway
investing so they can arm the F35s in the future is a good a reason as any to give them to Ukraine
That's probably classified
Okay, then let's just make educated guesses. We know they would not be given AIM-120D's, nor AIM-9X's, so what would be the next best guess? AIM-120C's? AIM-9M's?
Pakistan has AIM-120C-5's, so probably at least that. AIM-9P-5 is the current export model, so probably at least that.
Aim-9X is old tech now, even Taiwan has it
Russian planes won't even get off the runway.
80 IQ brainlet here can someone with a high IQ explain how exactly they will store so many F16’s without Russia just missile striking the airbases?
Russia can't hit shit with what few missiles they have left. This is also assuming their dog shit intelligence can even find them.
by not getting them until late 2024
I wouldn't write off Sparrows, we know Ukraine has been using fighters to shoot down cruise missiles and kamikaze drones. Sparrow stocks would fit great with that since they're outmoded and disposable, and would likely have pretty good Pk against those targets. Absolutely should not be used in the air-to-air fight though. That being said I don't know if the MLU's have the wiring for Sparrows removed.
Ukraine already uses AMRAAM-A and B for NASAMS, so that's a no-brainer. AMRAAM-C is a possibility, there are good stockpiles of those.
Canada did already give ~40 AIM-9s to them back in May, though for what purpose I have no clue. Thing there is Canada doesn't have export sideys afaik so it's likely Ls or Ms. I don't see why the US wouldn't give them the same, stocks are likely good and they're not exactly sensitive tech.
As much as I would like to finally see Meteor, my beloved, finally integrated onto the F-16, I don't see it happening as stockpiles of them aren't great. Then again, the UK did send ASRAAM for AD so, ya know. They would be pretty good to have, better than old AMRAAMs for sure.
Kind reminder
F-16 Block 50+ >>>> Anything in Russian arsenal
Nah, the F-16 is better than almost all of the Russian Air Force, but this whole thing is pretty fucking dumb. With no real way to perform SEAD they going to be stuck doing defensive counter air or low-level stuff, probably not shooting down Russian fighters. Also pretty sure the Danish and Dutch F-16's use the old APG-68/ALR-56M/ALQ-213 suite from the 80's, genuinely might not be as good as most more modern MiG-29's and Su-27's
>F-16
Very solid, tried and tested 4th gen jet. Has an amazing record but that's probably due to the environment where it picks winning fights + super well trained US pilots
>SU-57
Terrible stealth so it's basically a 4.5 gen jet. There's less than 20 of them total and no actual real-world data
F-16 wins due to the quantitative advantage and the fact that it actually exists outside of prototypes
to be fair they're like 49 years behind so it should be interesting to watch
watch the 2-3 more 57's they actually make crash that is
Hopefully the Ukies get both F-16s and Gripens around the same time.
Then we can finally put and end to the endless fanboy bickering by comparing actual results
> The Fighting Falcon has accumulated 72 air-to-air kills with no air-to-air losses except for one fratricide loss by the Pakistani Air Force when an AIM-9L switched-lock onto a wingman. Engagements and Kills were recorded throughout more than 30,000 world-wide air-to-air and air-to-ground combat sorties.
So, unless Russia decides to invade Pakistan, they're fooked.