BRICS is kind of funny because they'd stab each other in the back in a nanosecond if it was within their interests. The only thing holding them together is that they are varying degrees of developing countries or pariah states. Even the EU is sixty times more cohesive.
But as long as they have domestic coal and Russian gas fueling them BRICS can keep growing in economic power and military strength.
China and India are direct economic and military rivals, there is no reason for them to work together in BRICS, other than that they both want cheap raw resources from Russia and Brazil. People chat a lot of shit about China vs Taiwan, but China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
>China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
please god i can't wait til that pops off beyond fighting with wooden clubs
because they hate each other guts, both are hyper aggressive c**ts that want to conquer and slaughter their neighbors and both are laying a claim for ASIA NUMBA WAN spot.
There is a bigger chance of India joining up with a us led coalition of containing, isolating and bankrupting Chyna USSR style. Specially as it is seen as a viable hot spot to gobble up the manufacturing that is currently fleeing china due to Xi and friends moronation.
Vatniks dont even register on the radar compared to those two. It is an irrelevant asiatic borderland still coping with its past.
The bulk of south-east Asias water supply, and India's water in particular, originates in Chinese controlled tibet and the chinese are currently building dams to cut it all off so that they can use it for political and economic leverage over the region
Imagine what the russians are doing right now with Africa and the Middle easts food supply, but with water and in south-east asia
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China and India are direct economic and military rivals, there is no reason for them to work together in BRICS, other than that they both want cheap raw resources from Russia and Brazil. People chat a lot of shit about China vs Taiwan, but China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
>Amerimutts blackmail and stab Europe in the back every day >Amerimutts frick up global economics every day >NOOO YOU CANT WORK TOGETHER AND ALLY AGAINST ME, THE OBJECTIVELY WORSE THREAT
Has a country ever fallen off as hard and fast as the U.S.?
Almost every day Biden has been in office the U.S. has lost ground around the World and the thing is, they don't even know it because they're too obsessed with their internal civil war race to the bottom.
While it’s true the Biden administration has been awful, it’s just continuing a decade of bad administrations pulling out of the world’s security affairs. The world cop is staying home. This has greatly emboldened non-Western, corrupt shitholes to grab other peoples’ stuff. When they get away with it the status and trust in the world cop drops. We still have tremendous soft power but that only has effect in the West and to a lesser degree in China.
Japan needs way more Anime Diplomacy. It's pretty much THE way Japan communicates with other nations, in terms of our pop culture understanding of Japan (besides historical stereotypes like Samurai and Ninjas).
>Has a country ever fallen off as hard and fast as the U.S.?
It wasn't fast. The seeds of our destruction date back to the Federal Reserve. The final stages were just accelerated after the housing collapse.
>Almost every day Biden has been in office the U.S. has lost ground around the World and the thing is, they don't even know it because they're too obsessed with their internal civil war race to the bottom.
It's not that. It's that boomers can't hear anything other than 'MURICA and FREEDUMS!!! They sure as hell can't understand how the offshoring, immigration, feminism, and other assorted BS they supported destroyed the nation they grew up in. They'll still believe America is the greatest country on Earth, with the greatest opportunities, while the retirement homes in their gated communities burn down around them.
That is if we just don't end up in a nuclear exchange first because boomers want to GET THEM RUSKIES!!!
While it’s true the Biden administration has been awful, it’s just continuing a decade of bad administrations pulling out of the world’s security affairs. The world cop is staying home. This has greatly emboldened non-Western, corrupt shitholes to grab other peoples’ stuff. When they get away with it the status and trust in the world cop drops. We still have tremendous soft power but that only has effect in the West and to a lesser degree in China.
>americans should sacrifice everything to be the world's police
I would rather have affordable food and energy tbh.
>We still have tremendous soft power but that only has effect in the West and to a lesser degree in China.
China has soft power against us. We do not have soft power against China. Not any more.
>We do not have soft power against China.
Oh yes we do. Especially after Cheeto tweaked their nose over the blatant mercantilism, China knows well they need us at least as much as we need them, and they are a lot more fragile than we are.
>can't make our own computer chips >can't make aluminum >can't make steel >can't make drugs >can't even make our own face masks in a pandemic >WE HAVE POWER OVER CHYNA
No we do not. >China knows well they need us at least as much as we need them, and they are a lot more fragile than we are.
At this point they don't need us at all. If all trade stopped they would have a brief recession and bounce back. Our supply lines and economy would grind to a halt.
https://i.imgur.com/nYK1RIs.jpg
>They sure as hell can't understand how the offshoring, immigration, feminism, and other assorted BS they supported destroyed the nation they grew up in
based moron falling for meme cultural issues that the rich want you to be mad about
And how do you think the rich got rich and made sure you will never threaten them? Do you actually think women divorcing their husbands and getting careers was about "muh equality"? Or about wages? Do you think anything I mentioned was about anything other than enriching the rich?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are moronic. We can and do all of those things and can scale them up whenever we want. China, OTOH, is flat out all the time, has no reserves and is rickety as a toothpick teepee. If both countries SHTF tomorrow, I know where is want to be
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post the nanometers of your semiconductors. And sugar
2 years ago
Anonymous
Intel just finished the 7nm expansion in Hillsboro and has been operating 14nm for years, zero TSMC involvement
>They sure as hell can't understand how the offshoring, immigration, feminism, and other assorted BS they supported destroyed the nation they grew up in
based moron falling for meme cultural issues that the rich want you to be mad about
>Almost every day Biden has been in office the U.S. has lost ground around the World
Vatnik level delusion. President potato ain't much, but he's a hell of a cold warrior. NATO hasn't been this united in a very long time. Fricking Finland is about to become a member. Imagine saying that 6 months ago. I guarantee you Putin miscalculated and assumed cornpop would act like every other American president since Reagan and cuck out when push comes to shove.
You can't be this moronic. VatBlack folk have been getting wrecked since the start of the war. Even now they just throw meat at the grinder while Ukrainians actually give a frick about saving troops lives. I was pro Russia, a complete poltard, until this war. They are subhumans.
Considering Ukrainian losses are on par with Russias despite being on the defensive with western support, they’re not exactly caring for their soldiers
Imagine the absolute state of this tent once the culture clash inevitably takes place. There's a very real limit to how much "frick the west lmao" can carry a coalition.
No denying ukes dropped the ball hard here. If Ukes are to win, they HAVE to fix their israelite problem. Letting them sit back and get their kids slaughtered to make way for somalians. >inb4 vatnik
I'm good friends with Azov members and they say the same.
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China and India are direct economic and military rivals, there is no reason for them to work together in BRICS, other than that they both want cheap raw resources from Russia and Brazil. People chat a lot of shit about China vs Taiwan, but China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
>China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
In the coming years sure. But for now they both benefit too much from playing nicely with one another. If Europe and the US sees an recession than China and India can "catch up" economically a bit.
https://i.imgur.com/Ocb2yIT.png
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lmao this is actually pathetic. BRICS is only propped up by China and a little bit India. It hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
>t hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
That wasn't even the prediction. Some Goldman sachs banker coined the term as they were all fast growing developing economies but only China and India are still fast growing with all others being stagnant in growth.BRICs wasn't even supposed to be a political block.
[...] >China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
In the coming years sure. But for now they both benefit too much from playing nicely with one another. If Europe and the US sees an recession than China and India can "catch up" economically a bit.
[...] >t hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
That wasn't even the prediction. Some Goldman sachs banker coined the term as they were all fast growing developing economies but only China and India are still fast growing with all others being stagnant in growth.BRICs wasn't even supposed to be a political block.
>If Europe and the US sees an recession than China and India can "catch up" economically a bit.
The opposite is true though, India's growth is directly tied to the fact that western countries are moving out of the unreliable and increasingly expensive China and are looking for a replacement workforce in SEA and India. If China succeeds, India loses.
That's probably not going to happen though, since China is loaded to the brim with private and public debt and has only been able to stay above water for the last few years because of the CCP's extraordinary powers over its economy and media narratives. It may already be too late to stop a recession in china.
>China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
please god i can't wait til that pops off beyond fighting with wooden clubs
Sure, but the monkey paw is that the Chinks and Indians are too poor and incompetent to provide high quality combat footage, so we'll be peering at shaky vertical phone footage at best and probably miss all the good stuff anyway.
>The opposite is true though
That's actually not how it works though. If the West experiences a recession while China would be hit only the sectors of the economy that directly trades with the West would be affected and and the Chinese economy would re-align itself to be less depended on the recession struck economies.
We saw this happen globally with the 2008 financial recession in the US; as American businesses collapsed Chinese businesses moved in. If the West would have another financial crisis then China and India would catch-up even more.
Traditional trade is meaningless as a metric.
The only reason China is so important is because assembly often happens there, while prior steps in the supply chain are not accounted for.
Wow, I hadn't seen this before.
This seems like a massive fricking oversight in how trade is calculated.
Where can I find out more about what's actually going on it trade?
also digital services and transfer of information is not accounted for in trade. the data companies like google and facebook acquire are worth untold billions but aren't accounted for in trade metrics globally. but it's bad because americans don't manufacture t shirts anymore for walmart or whatever.
>but it's bad because americans don't manufacture t shirts anymore for walmart or whatever.
That's not what I'm saying.
If the US has a recession there will be less productivity in the US, if I'm an foreign company that's buying components/products from the US and the US firm goes bust or has a slow-down I'll have to look for other firms to produce what I'm importing so I'll go for a Chinese company. This is how China "catches up" if the US has an economic down-turn.
2 years ago
Anonymous
think about for a moment how moronic that sounds >US has recession >sorry foreign customer i can't supply you with goods b/c recession when labor and materials gets cheaper
The problem i see with that statement is that China still rely on western know-how. They buy western companies for know-how and many even keep their R&D in western countries. Chinas only technical advances that surpasses others happen in surveilance technics related things. The inventing and developing chinese people are from Hong Kong or Taiwan. In my opinion Cina will never become leading in developing stuff because they oppress smart people.
China doesn't need to be leading as long as they can copy the USA and Europe.
And unlike Russia and India, their copies seem to work well enough to be export-worthy.
They even improve on all the Russian stuff they copy and make it actually useable.
Goes to show that, as usual, there is no BRICS. There is only China.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fair point. But without USA and Europe, thereis noone to copy. What than?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The reason China is and will remain relevant is because it's perfectly content to bribe, subvert and ultimately own Europe and the USA unlike the rest of this moronic club.
China is merely an ailing autocracy burdened with a moronic ruler and his moronic clique.
The rest of the BRICS are "The worst parts of Detroit, but as an entire country".
lmao this is actually pathetic. BRICS is only propped up by China and a little bit India. It hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
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lmao this is actually pathetic. BRICS is only propped up by China and a little bit India. It hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
>You now realize that BRICS is a loose amalgamation of shithole developing countries that are united solely by the fact that they can't compete with the purchasing power of G8 countries on the open market.
>Argentina
Where as soon as you get paid you have to buy everything you can or convert it before it is worth noticeably less then the next time youget paid.
It's over, Anon. This is now a war of the economies and that can only end one way. With total western victory. Russia only had one chance to get anything out of this war, and this was a total Ukrainian collapse within the first two days.
What we see now is just a farce, as one side celebrates taking a village and the other celebrates taking an empty rock in the sea and Yuri's prize winning cucumber field.
For 8 years, Ukrainians concreted the Lisichansk- Slavyansk- Bakhmut triangle into two floors underground. Lisichansk was at the forefront of the attack on Donbass, the Ukrainians planned to launch an offensive from it. Now this fang has finally been knocked out of the mouth of the pig-dog.
What's next?
The final defeat of the Donbass group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be after the capture of Bakhmut and Slavyansk - a matter of a maximum of a month. Ukrainians understand that they no longer have 8 years to build the same fortifications, so they can only drag out time so that the rear forces prepare new trenches for retreat. What they have been building for years - we release in a month, what they have been building for months - in weeks, and what is in weeks - we will take in a matter of days.
Ukraine is just the beginning, Russia does not have time, then it is necessary to rebuild the economy on military rails and break through the corridor to Kaliningrad. Europe is waiting.
>a matter of a maximum of a month. Ukrainians understand that they no longer have 8 years to build the same fortifications, so they can only drag out time so that the rear forces prepare new trenches for retreat. What they have been building for years - we release in a month, what they have been building for months - in weeks, and what is in weeks - we will take in a matter of days.
I remember the same frickers like you, who shouted that ROUBLE IS FRICKING DOOMED, about the fact that RUSSIA HAS 2 MOTHS OF FUNCTIONALITY RESERV, Russia will shit itself in Ukraine and yada yada. But in winter it will be fricked up in Europe, the USA and in the rest of the world it will be even more fricked up.
There is nothing to wait for, but the corridor to Kaliningrad will not break through itself and mobilization will be needed there and this will affect everyone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the ruble is doomed - every time it strengthens, the Russian budget gets fricked even more 🙂
and it's not like you can do anything but strengthen it
since you can't actually spend the USD/EUR sent to you on anything anymore, can you now?
at least the exporters would live with a weak-as-piss RUB - sure, the pidorashkas wouldn't be too well off, but oil/gas would keep the country running for some time
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Oh no, economy is not set in stone and we need to adjust
There's no way to please everyone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so, how would you solve the issue fricking Russia's budget?
please tell me how to adjust from 50% of your imports simply disappearing
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russia just has to become an agrarian idyll where everyone is happy
2 years ago
Anonymous
the biggest banan plantation in the world
2 years ago
Anonymous
>high wages for workers bad!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>rubble is the strongest currency in the world, kremlin says
2 years ago
Anonymous
>T. Irina Ivanova
You can't make this shit up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
UMMMM actually my currency is the strongest in the world. It's called AnonBuck and each AnonBuck is worth $1 trillion dollars US. I mean, only myself and my cat use it, but it's still super strong I am very rich and powerful yes!
2 years ago
Anonymous
These same outlets scoffed at the idea of a financial crisis in 2008
Americans won't put up with sacrificing their economy to keep Ukraine afloat. When the food riots start in the fall and poor people can't afford heating in the winter, expect chaos.
>Americans won't put up with sacrificing their economy to keep Ukraine afloat.
It’s weird to me how much certain groups have just accepted the Biden administration’s spin of a “Putin Price hike”. The economy is in the shitter for two reasons; the government continuing to blow money into the economy and moronic domestic energy policy to cater to eco mentalists. Things were awful before the war even started and even if we decided to lift every sanction on Russia tomorrow it wouldn’t change much of anything.
>Biden cancels oil pipelines and drilling leases >Biden asks the American public "How could Putin do this to us?" when gas prices go through the roof
It's all so tiresome.
There are too many idiots in America that don't understand even the basics of economic policy and how it affects them.
The only way to fix the economy is by raising the interest rate several percent and crashing the stock market as quickly as possible. There are many zombie companies being kept alive by loans and bailouts that need to fail. Taking out the trash improves the health of the economy and improves productivity via competition. Dragging out the rate increases and then reversing course next year is not solving the problem of cheap, plentiful cash flooding the market. We're instead going to end up with stagflation or a depression with how moronic/malicious the Fed and the Biden admin are being.
Pumping money into Ukraine and the defense industry is only making inflation worse because money printer go brrrrrrrrrr. The tens of billions they're spending now will show up as additional inflation next year.
>sacrificing
You don't realize how massive the United States economy is, Ivan. You also don't understand the degree of luxury that Americans live in. Poor Americans are fat. They have houses and bellies stuffed with food. The greatest economic risk to them is a somewhat reduced consumption of luxuries and that's not because of anything to do with giving arms to Ukraine. You are saying that an angel won't step on an ant for fear of breaking a sweat.
Poor Americans are fat because they eat carbs and seed oils composed of subsidized crops. Food companies have spent over 50 years making this cheap, harmful food as addictive as possible. Some poor people also get this poison for "free" from government handouts like SNAP (38 mil recipients) and WIC (11 mil recipients). However, government handouts always lag when it comes to inflation. Not only will crops cost a lot more, but food allowances won't increase enough either. Anything healthier (like cruciferous veggies, meats, eggs, and fruits) all cost more.
Poor families don't own houses either. Almost half (45%) of households under 50k income rent instead of own. Black families have an average household income of 45k and hispanics are at 55k. There's a lot of poor minorities stuck renting with no agency to improve their rent or utility prices. Those costs are only going up with inflation and poor people don't get raises.
Poor people do a bunch of dumb shit with money. That's why they're poor. I certainly laugh when they waste their money on luxuries like a big tv or a new phone. But there's a huge part of this country that can't afford this inflation for even basic necessities. It will cause problems in the near future. We're already in a recession. When it escalates to a depression, it's not going to be peaceful around here.
I have to remind you that Russia hasn't lost a single meter of russian clay so far. So what exactly is this "total western victory" you speak of? They won double digit % inflation and triple digit % resource prices? Good for them.
When Germany capitulated in WW1 they still occupied most of Belgium. This isn't a video game where you gain two fields and the war score ticks up over time.
Americans won't put up with sacrificing their economy to keep Ukraine afloat. When the food riots start in the fall and poor people can't afford heating in the winter, expect chaos.
>'The west will collapse this time for sure!', says unemployed social outcast as he hopes for the world to change so he isn't just a normal loser anymore
Why is everyone so invested in the outcome of this war?
It kills Russians and destroys an enemy of the west, we don't even have to lift a finger and we weren't the ones who started it and are morally in the right in the eyes of the world
>It kills Russians and destroys an enemy of the west
kys gay
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Implying I can't have more than one enemy at a time
I'm a talented guy, I can hate a lot of people at once
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he isn't aware that most of modern western society's cancer originate from a mix of cold war-era soviet operations to destroy the west combined with the western elite's inbuilt need to turn western societies into atomized, disunified, easily controlled consoomer mobs
And before you go >but muh russia is based
It is not, Russia's playbook has always been to play both sides when it comes to any societal conflict. During the Cold War, the KGB supported both the KKK and Black nationalists. Today, Russia's state media promotes troonyism in its South American publications while being against it in its English language material.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes because Russia wouldn't love to see the US burn to the ground....
Yes Russia is our enemy, that doesn't make those three any better
Yeah, usually negative reports about yourself can be believed, negative reports about your enemy, dubious. That's like a basic analysis tool people use.
On RT and other propaganda outlets. In the real world Russia is collapsing.
Cope.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Collapsing into advances?
You're very bad at your job. You need more training. You can be a better shill than this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ukraine is slowly losing the war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
Slowly losing by repelling offensive on Kiev and Kharkov.
After that russian concentrate all their offensive forces in the Donbass to advance at a snail pace, until they will not have the capacity to advance anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ukraine is slowly los-ACK
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean real talk though the only Russian advance along the entire front was a tiny area of the Donbas, at ludicrous cost in men, equipment, and ammunition (IIRC they estimated the Russians were using something like 50k shells a day in their severodonetsk/lysychansk "offensive") that's just plain unsustainable.
it took them all of this effort for the most difficult to defend ukrainian positions how in the frick does the Russian high command think they'll be able to secure the kramatorsk/sloviansky axis?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>think they'll be able to secure the kramatorsk/sloviansky axis?
the same way
2 years ago
Anonymous
given the amount of territory taken per the amount of effort expended so far they'll have exhausted their ammunition supplies before they even come close to kramatorsk or sloviansk ivan
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mariupol is difficult to defend now? Last I heard, Azovstal was a virtually impenetrable fortress
2 years ago
Anonymous
Christ, you frickers are such fricking cucks; you really think this war has been a success for Russia overall, that they're suddenly stronger now on the geopolitical stage, more influential ? Do you really think the war is going to lead to an improvement in the life quality of the average Russian ? I mean sure, I understand wanting to reframe it, perhaps you're even paid to do so, but to anyone outside that failing authoritarian shithole it's pretty obvious that Putin fricked it all up, that the last 3 months have been a massive waste and loss on pretty much every level. Keep posting I guess if it makes you feel better lol...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Do you really think the war is going to lead to an improvement in the life quality of the average Russian ?
average kazap doesn't care about prosperity, only that his country has the biggest dick, he can live in squalor and decay but as long as his country's dick is big no problem.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Holy shit the /k/ope
2 years ago
Anonymous
>still can't buy anything for the money since the sanctions
he's right
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they cant buy anything with it!
Lol lmao this is what you get with low or unpaid shills
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
But Gazprom isn't producing and Russia's largest gas field was burning the other day, while Germany and Italy are beginning to buy US natgas. Then there's picrel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
r*ssians are no Europeans, my little vodkaBlack person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post English.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Look at that ugly fricking language. Surely no European language. Seethe more vodkaBlack person :^)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the movement of electric transport stops in Slavyansk
Look at this genius trying to escape a city on a streetcar lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://youtu.be/HdX1pmIYrnA
>seething in orcish
please continue, monkeyboy HAHAHAHAHA
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post English.
2 years ago
Anonymous
THE SHARE PRICE OF GAZPROM FELL!?
OH NO VATNIKBROS ITS OVER
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't a cap on Russian prices hurt Russia more?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope.
ruzzia will be partitioned soon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
at this rate they only have about 30 years left
/k/ bros we got too wienery...
2 years ago
Anonymous
I would agree, but "slowly" is an understatement. The russian military performance is abysmal, the ukies are slowly grinding them down fighting retreating battles and making the russians pay dearly for each city they take. This shit could fly in 1944 when the country was supported via lendlease but not today, this strategy simply isn't sustainable.
The russian solution for this is "let us pepper them with arty", literally WW1-tier. Now with 5-eyes intel and nato reconnaissance and actually modern mrls it's just a matter of time when the russian army loses the last bit if momentum they had.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the ukies are slowly grinding them down
Other way around you fricking moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'm sorry, you're right. The russians only lost a miniscule amount of equipment and troops.
Time to lay off the alpha-pvp, comrade
Eskimo from Nunavut independent oblast here. israelitelensky and his HATO masters MUST surrender immediately or I fear my family will run out of seal meat and igloo blocks. The west cannot afford this costly war.
Russia did a good job advancing in the south so they don't have only one front to attack the city with defenders on the high grounds.
Still ridiculous in the big picture considering all they lost so far.
Those lines are literally made up they were never that far, they blitzed in the beginning as a shock and awe and didn't really hold any towns they just went in and controlled the main roads after Ukraine was being serious and not folding over they rotated their troops to Donbass and have been cleaning up ever since.
Yeah it's a joke because morons like you were claiming ROSSYA STRONG would surround "oinkrainians" and wipe them out. Eventually you gays gave up and now you're acting like it never happened.
>cleaning up
They're barely gaining ground at a massive cost. That's not cleaning up.
The lines on the map made with the way the russian army acted, and what russian state media was saying.
In the beginning everyone was talking about how Russia will take all the west and now all eyes are on a town of 100k people. That russia take only by reducing it to the ground thanks to their superior artillery power.
+ Read pic rel, it show you how russian elites overestimated themselves.
>thinking this occupation is going to be sustainable >forgetting Afghanistan and Grozny >this invasion is turning out worse than both of those put together
It would have been a relatively strong position if they tried to push from the east, but with a risk of being encircled from the south the Ukrainian army left it.
Russian propaganda, painting enemy fortifications as far more impressive than they actually are is an old classic in it. Couple hastily built bunkers and handful of mongols armed with WW1 leftovers was apparently some northern Maginot Line defended by heavily armed elite fascists according to Soviet propaganda from that time period.
Everyone knew they'd lose that zone. Fricking Ukraine knew that as well. Think those AWACs hovering in the air 24/7 with no break, and US's entire military military satellite fleet could not see that coming? It's a numbers game and Russia just has more in that area, no doubt about it.
That being said, you have to focus on the big picture. Like the former head of DNR, the pickle guy said, Ukraine can afford to trade that land for time. They are retreating into more and more fortified land at the end of the day, culminating with the dniper river.
So where are we now? 4+ months into this war, Russia still controls less than they've controlled a month into it, so all things considered, Ukraine is doing well.
Izyum is getting hammered by Ukraine, along with Kherson. Just today 2 more villages were liberated in the area.
We now have heavy weapons finally coming in. Whatever reasons are for the delay, we now have proper, modern NATO weaponry, along with properly trained troops for them.
We see HIMARS working positions along the frontlines, hitting dozens of depos and logistical deep into Russia controlled territory. These are pinpoint systems, with a CEP of a few meters, compared to Russia's literal anti-ship missiles that miss by up to 250 meters, if not more. Because of that, we now see daily footage of fat clouds of smoke up to 70km into the captured territory. Will see how long they can last without those critical logistic centres.
Kherson is being pushed slowly but steadily, same with Izyum and N Kharkiv. Now the eastern frontline is much smaller, so Ukraine can just hold out better. Russia will have tighter deployment lines, which means whatever is left of their BTGs there has either be squeezed into less area or they have to deploy less. Win-win for Ukraine regardless, now that they have proper 155mm arty to smash them. The coming months will be a sight to see, I'm sure
You guys are talking to yourselves with this shit. The Reddit tourists have mostly left, they got bored and disappointed with the war. The free kill Russian kinos dried up. Ukraine getting slowly chewed up in trench warfare isn’t what the tourists were here for.
There is unironically more pro-Ukraine kino on telegram, leddit or /ugh/ than on /k/, I checked recently out of curiosity, all of them are about half a day to a full day ahead of /k/ unless it's some high quality kino in which case it's still an hour behind.
I don't think there were that many ledditor's anyway since they had the same content and ability to have conversations why would they leave leddit.
Personally I just think it was just oldgays who were on a war high with something to actually talk about.
There is unironically more pro-Ukraine kino on telegram, leddit or /ugh/ than on /k/, I checked recently out of curiosity, all of them are about half a day to a full day ahead of /k/ unless it's some high quality kino in which case it's still an hour behind.
I don't think there were that many ledditor's anyway since they had the same content and ability to have conversations why would they leave leddit.
Personally I just think it was just oldgays who were on a war high with something to actually talk about.
/k/ope are the type of homosexuals who are pro-Ukraine, pro weapons but won't do anything to help them but post in an echo chamber of their own making and think that somehow helps. Top kek.
i.e. The impotent demographic with control issues that would buy guns.
I mostly picture a hybrid of Matt Forney and that guy who grave robbed to sell bones.
Because everyone wants Russia to finally keel over and this is as close of a call as it gets.
Half the world wants the energy and food prices to go back to normal, since that's what's driving inflation worldwide. The other half just hates Russians with all their guts.
China, India, some of South America, most of Africa, most of middle east and some indo-pacific are all friendly or neutral to Russia. North America and Europe isn't the whole world. And your falling for laughably disingenuous talking point is embarrassing when inflation and western financial distress was occurring way before Feb 2022.
>muh putin price hike
The sanctions harmed the west more than Russia and its hilarious to see
Not remotely. Not even in your wettest of wet dreams.
people would get very angry, and there would be enormous harm done, but nobody in NATO would collapse. Sheeit homie, the US of A could Berlin Airlift the entire subcontinent with food an supplies if it came down to it
North America is full of resources we don't make use of because of a moronic green polices that would go away in a heartbeat if we suffered a real resource crisis, Europe is fricked though.
Also the average American is so fat they could survive for a decade on a starvation diet. If a famine rolled around China and other countries would die in the millions, meanwhile the lifespan of Americans would ironically raise.
>China, India
lol >friendly or neutral
Let's see how Africa and Middle East reacts in a few months when people can't afford their shit-filled pita roll because someone bombs and blockades the world's fifth grain exporter.
>inflation and western financial distress was occurring way before Feb 2022
It was, but it got way worse since Russia decided to spit in the West's face and throw the world into an inflationary spiral to occupy some bumfrick nowhere territories.
America has been digging its inflation grave since 2001 buddy Russia has nothing to do with it, unless your government decided to sanction things they need
China and India see Russia as a useful idiot at best, Africa and South America is full of shitholes buckbroken by Soviet propaganda that fortunately have no weight on the world stage.
Because liberals hate Russia for "hacking" the 2016 election(whatever the frick that's suppose to mean) and for not bowing down to globohomo. So they'll stop at nothing to see the Russian government overthrown a new left wing puppet government installed.
i don't like russia. they are next to my country and are persistent on threatening us (and our neighbors). take your HURR DURR LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT and shove it up your ass
I seem to remember something about Estonia threatening to ban the Russian language a few years back and now you're participating in unlawful sanctions and your neighbor Lithuania is breaking it's treaty by blockading Kaliningrad?
What is Estonia supposed to gain by antagonizing the superpower on it's border? You're being set up just like Ukraine. Satanic liberals are jacking you off whispering in your ear "Russia will be broken!" but it's the Baltics that will be hung out to dry, just like Ukraine.
Better retreat than a second Mariupol. I thought they hold out more, but with the closin of Ukrainian access maybe for the better? At least we cant say Ukrainians cant learn like we can say with Russias VDV, Holomel disaster, Russian airfield groundhog day, triple river crossing slaughter and the snake island multi-massacre.
What happened with the cauldron south of Lysychansk? I expected something big from Russia, but Ukrainians already left that area?
I’ll keep reminding /k/ what the war is about. It’s about gas. Straight up. Everything Putin has done starting in 2014 re Ukraine has been solely about protecting his oligarchs’ gas exports to Europe.
Ukraine inherited all of the USSR’s export infrastructure needed to sell gas to Europe. As long as Ukraine stayed in Russia’s orbit everything was fine, but a political upheaval occurred and the country started moving towards the West. And then about 10 years ago MAJOR gas gas deposits were found in Eastern Ukraine. Now Putin was alarmed. A big development deal with Shell was signed. Soon the West would be able to cut out Russia from the gas market in Europe and that be disastrous for Putin’s power structure. So Putin took quick action and launched an invasion in 2014 which started a war that made Shell pull out of the deal due to proximity with the conflict. But this was only a temporary solution. Nordstream 2 was a play to secure Russian gas to Europe bypassing Ukraine entirely—which was killed by the West last year. A few months later, Russia invades. Tries to regime change Ukraine but didn’t have the capability to complete the operation. So, as a minimal goal, Russia reorganized and focused on Crimea and Donbas in the East to secure or at least threaten the big gas fields. The Black Sea deposits are secured and will probably stay that way. This is Russia’s overriding interest in this war.
Given how thirsty krauts are for cheap vatnik fart gas? You could be sure that if this war ended tomorrow, they would be lobbying for the normalization of the relationship before the week was over.
>You could be sure that if this war ended tomorrow, they would be lobbying for the normalization of the relationship before the week was over.
Yes, but this war is going to last for decades.
They will have LNG terminals in early 2023. This war will take years and by then there will only be a feint memory of a thing called 'trade with Russia'.
>feint memory
Faint. A feint is when you send your best soldiers and frickloads of equipment to get obliterated all around the enemy capital so you can focus on three months of raining shells into a small city near your border.
This a moron take >The gas deposits in Ukraine are miniscule compared to Russia's >Europe stopped buying oil and gas from Russia >Gas extraction companies left Russia >Accounts of Russians got frozen everywhere >etc.
You might as well argue WW1 started to secure wheat fields in Serbia. It's just a stupid take.
You have to educate yourself. The new gas fields could replace all or most of Russia’s volume to Europe. That’s why Shell signed a $10 billion deal in Ukraine in 2013. That was just the first contract. That’s why Russia invaded a year later, which caused Shell to pull out of the deal due to proximity to the conflict. Russia invaded literally 3 months after Nordstream 2 was killed. If you think these are unrelated you’re being willfully ignorant.
Russia’s terrible weakness in the war is exactly what emboldened the the West to so strongly support Ukraine. Biden SHOULD have immediately deployed the rapid reaction forces. It DEMANDED a hard power response. The world was looking to the US waiting for it. Instead a soft power response was launched. That has been terribly damaging to Russia but also to us. Political ties were strengthened, but fear in the world cop dropped again. The Russians should have been immediately booted from the country when it was clear they couldn’t seriously resist us. Relations would have normalized, the gas would flow, food would move and Putin would have no choice but to figure out another play.
10 billion are nothing, Anon. You have provided no actual sources or counterarguments, just conjecture.
Feel free to answer any of these questions: >In what way would the economic destruction of Russia that is happening now (VAT revenue collapsed by 60%, imports have collapsed by 90%, car sales stopped completely, etc.) outweigh securing Ukrainian gas fields? >How is Russia supposed to extract gas in a war zone without western companies? (inb4 China, they also need help from western companies) >Who is supposed to buy that gas, when it it is heavily embargoed? >Why hasn't Ukraine extracted the gas before the war? (The answer being the small amount of viable gas and it's difficulty of being extracted, which has prevented this since the Soviet times)
You created a head cannon around an issue that really isn't one. Think, Anon. Think.
Russia is an oil state. Furthermore, the oligarchs both own and, simultaneously, steal from, the energy industry. As Russia is the largest producer of gas by a large margin the oligarchs (and Putin) enjoy tremendous wealth. Mega yachts and palaces. But also great soft power which they used to build up the system of bribes which turned the Russian state into what it is today. Hydrocarbons is the foundation of Russia’s power structure and a huge chunk of the nation’s wealth besides.
As I’ve explained over and over to the ignorant trash flooding /k/, sanctions hurt Russia a lot less than they would other countries with a more natural market structure. Because Russia is an oil state they can stay afloat on hydrocarbons which is a world market and with little over-capacity. Especially gas which is less fungible than oil. Because corrupt tin pot oil states don’t bother diversifying their economies the impact of sanctions is reduced. That’s why Putin can keep slogging away in Ukraine and he’ll keep it up until the gas is secured. It’s an existential threat to him and his power structure, not the sanctions. He KNOWS there’s no replacement for Russian gas and won’t be a good while yet. Europe won’t freeze but the industry is fricked without gas.
so Putin is fuelling the West war machine to line his own pockets?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. And also fricking russia into ass on the long run by forcing europe to become less dependent on russian resources.
The guy deserves an metal for singlehandedly dismanting russian threat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>both sides of a supposedly deadly geopolitical rivalry keep fueling each other with no end in sight
>Russia is an oil state. Furthermore, the oligarchs both own and, simultaneously, steal from, the energy industry. As Russia is the largest producer of gas by a large margin the oligarchs (and Putin) enjoy tremendous wealth.
Yes >sanctions hurt Russia a lot less than they would other countries with a more natural market structure.
Correct >Because Russia is an oil state they can stay afloat on hydrocarbons which is a world market and with little over-capacity. Especially gas which is less fungible than oil. Because corrupt tin pot oil states don’t bother diversifying their economies the impact of sanctions is reduced.
That's simply not true. Look at Venezuela for example. Russia is lacking diversification so much that that they can't even extract resources without direct help by it's enemies. And it lost most of the world as trading partners. >That’s why Putin can keep slogging away in Ukraine and he’ll keep it up until the gas is secured.
He can't. The west can pour an indefinite amount of support into Ukraine while Russia struggles to manufacture razor blades. Russia is down to using T-62s and we are barely in month 5 of this war. In month 10, what will they use? AKs and Ladas?
Normally a state like that knows to keep quiet and just continue on. Sell resources, take the money, buy houses in Malibu and London, enjoy the good life of a mafia boss. >It’s an existential threat to him and his power structure, not the sanctions. He KNOWS there’s no replacement for Russian gas and won’t be a good while yet.
Europe already imports more American gas than Russian gas, and barely any of the LNG terminals are working yet. America, Qatar and others can fully substitute the demand by 2023. >Europe won’t freeze but the industry is fricked without gas.
It's really not. Studies predicted a 3/4% drop in GDP if Russia cut the line, back in March. By now substitution is actively happening and the effect would be way less.
Now Russia on the other hand
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Now Russia on the other hand
completely depends on western money and products even for their shitty oil and gas economy. They can not keep this going for even a few months, as inventories run out and the import of most important goods becomes impossible.
Sorry. Character limit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ruskie shills usually reply that with "Russia will buy from chinks instead" without realizing that this just gives chinks extremely strong leverage on russia.
It will be amusing when chinks just tell "Give us outer manchuria or we will cut the supplies", and russia can only cry and comply.
Obvisously there were parked Russian tanks there.
Same as when Russia shelled those apartment blocks in Odessa two days ago or that mall in Kremenchuk filled with Azov neonazis, right?
Russians need to solve their own problems instead of blaming Ukraine for everything that goes wrong on their territory. Maybe they should suck Xi's dick a bit less too.
That's a goddamn house fire not a missile hit, genius. If M31 landed on that house it'd be ruble. Even the glass in the windows isn't shattered. Who are you trying to bullshit with that weak shit?
Good lord. No one is shooting random civilian structures in this war. Ukrainians sometimes do like that Russian wood church last month, but that was troops raging against a symbol of Russia, not artillery forces targeting civilians in a "chimpout". Russia has accidentally hit things but those are obviously errors caused by poor accuracy and/or targeting errors (ie, obvious targets were nearby). Besides that if either side hits a civilian structure it’s ALWAYS been because troops were using the structure. I guarantee that all of these deep strikes into pro-Russian territory were aimed at a military target.
>Thousands of houses, entire cities, random tower blocks and supermarkets in cities hundreds of miles from the from in Ukraine destroyed
No response >Four get damaged in Russia
WARCRIME
That's what happens when there is street fighting in literally every war where there is urban combat dumbass. Your not making the moral point you think you are
There are pictures and videos that weren't made up by state teevee, potato. I know you have a hard time understanding that since you are all chronic, incorrigble compulsive liars from birth, but it is a fact.
Now go drink another bottle and beat Mrs potato and your little potatoes they miss you
>Ukraine will never see the lost Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kherson territories again for at least another generation and maybe never
You're right that losing Severodonetsk and Luhansk is pretty bad for the hohols, but I'm also hearing more and more of big ammo depots going up in flames a good distance behind the front lines, whether due to HIMARS or something else. If the Ukrainains can keep that up over a long enough period of time, they may be able to dislodge the Russians.
Defenders definitely have an advantage, and it's good for the Russians they were able to first advance, capture several cities, and then dig into the area they captured, but fortifications alone can't hold territory--you also need ammo for your soldiers, food and water to keep them from starving, and pay to keep them from deserting. If the Ukrainians have weapons advanced enough to blow up Russian supply and transport over a long enough time, their forces might simply be unable to maintain an occupation even over the land they've taken.
In reference to pay,
2: Ukraine's economic prospects are rosier than Russia's, even though right now it's in ruins. Amerifats are already talking about a Marshall Plan for the country. Meanwhile, the "soaring" ruble is going to feel the full sting of the sanctions in a few months. Countries on Russia's periphery, like Uzbekistan, are already getting restless. A little more time and Russia may not be able to afford its campaign, or even holding itself together.
You're right that things don't look so good for Ukraine right now, but I think if they can hold on for a few more months, maybe a year at most, they'll keep growing stronger while Russia keeps growing weaker.
Yes if Ukraine can hold on losing at least 1000 casualties every day that passes by for a year. Give me a break....
>Muh 2 more weeks till Russians front collapses narrative
Your not smart, this war isn't complicated, Russia is grinding out Ukraine, rotating their troops and keeping a fresh front line which Ukraine does not have the luxury of doing. Ukraine's sole reason for being able to put up a fight is because they are an equipment dumping site for the US and NATO. They will eventually run out of morale and men at this pace no matter what kind of shiny new toys the west gives them.
>100 to 200 casualties in one high intensity battle zone >grows to 1000 casualties >grows to 1000 casualties per day every day >Russia's losing nothing
Frick. You Black folk keep inflating the numbers like no one's business.
You didn't read the fricking text of you own goddamn post, did you, you fricking cum-sucking, AIDS-ridden, child-raping, krokodil-laced tsarist prostitute.
Not him but you monkeys are conflating killed with combat losses. The article states 200-500 killed daily and somewhere around 1000 in total killed, wounded, or some other way removed from the battlefield every day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still capped to 1000 and not a single more you c**t
You didn't read the fricking text of you own goddamn post, did you, you fricking cum-sucking, AIDS-ridden, child-raping, krokodil-laced tsarist prostitute.
Except officials stated later the guy has no evidence for this claim and he overstated in order to garner more support. He doesn't have access to such data either.
>They will eventually run out of morale and men at this pace no matter what kind of shiny new toys the west gives them.
It's not like Russia has a surfeit of men either, despite its larger population. They're already increasing the draft age, which is not something you do if you've got plenty of strapping young lads ready and willing to fight for you.
The best part of this is that it is STILL the separatists doing ALL the fighting for the Russians against Ukraine. Even the miniscule meaningless victories it scrapes out of this debacle couldn't be done with Russian troops, they need ringers hahaha
These poor fricks have absolutely no clue what they are doing. While I am hostile to the Ukrainian coup fake government, I feel bad for these kids. You have to just leave your buddy to die in that situation
>Fortress city
According to whom?
Also, Russians have like 10 to 1 advantage, its been almost half a year already.
Imagine Germany taking 4 months to take fricking Poznan in 1939.
To be fair it was lauded as the fortress city because of the river and very favourable elevation.
It would probably hold much longer then it did but fall of Zolotne and Hirske SE of the city exposed the flank and Ukrianinas had to withdraw. If Russians wete forced to attack directly from Severodonetsk it would be a bloodbath.
Jewkraine stopped all civilian movements in and out of Slavyansk.. People can not evacuate anymore. Jeklrainians are taking civilian population as a shield again.
Starting today, the movement of electric transport stops in Slavyansk. This was announced by the head of the Slavic city military administration Vadim Lyakh.
"We were forced to do this due to the constant threat of shelling and the inadmissibility of crowds," the mayor explained.
They promise to inform about the resumption of trolleybus traffic additionally.
The most expensive car imported to Ukraine at zero duty was the Mercedes-Benz G63 AMG model of 2022 edition at the price of 220 thousand dollars. This was reported by the Transcarpathian customs.
Its owner is an entrepreneur from Dnepropetrovsk region.
In total, as of July 1, in the zone of activity of the Transcarpathian customs, since the beginning of the law on "zero customs clearance" (from March 24), 18,897 cars purchased by Ukrainians outside the country have been released for free circulation.
>McConnell was born on February 20, 1942, to Julia Odene "Dean" (née Shockley; 1919–1993) and Addison Mitchell "A.M." McConnell II (1917–1990). McConnell was born in Sheffield, Alabama, and grew up in nearby Athens, Alabama, where his grandfather, Robert Hayes McConnell Sr. and his great uncle Addison Mitchell McConnell, owned McConnell Funeral Home. He is of Scots-Irish and English descent. One of his ancestors fought on the American side in the American Revolutionary War.
Kek we're at day 128 of the 3 day special needs operation, and this is the best the russian could achieve after all of that. Now we go back to the great russian advances, with 40 km convoys in hostile territory getting btfo by cheap drones
In case your wondering about the vatnik posting with piss poor english, seething about da joos and replying with random unrelated shit.
He's a Russian diaspora living in Germany, I recognize his posting style from PrepHole.
kek. you fricking parasite.. the irony here is that i only posted some pictures and translations of israelitekrainian medias. .. and you got so fricking mad that you startend farting fire and insult everyone..
No, im only insulting you after lurking /k/ this past week at work and learning to recognize your posts nutellafren.
Must be hard now that your government is going to start spending more money on defense and cutting down on gibsmedats for leeching shitskins. Why are you even on /k/ if you cant even afford guns?
>India reading Mein Kampf
alright, I kek'd
>They're not hiding that they're brown ESLs anymore
The absolute state.
It was just a feint
yeah
BRICS is kind of funny because they'd stab each other in the back in a nanosecond if it was within their interests. The only thing holding them together is that they are varying degrees of developing countries or pariah states. Even the EU is sixty times more cohesive.
Outer Manchuria comes to mind.
China and India recently had a military conflict between themselves in which something like 40 soldiers were killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932022_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes
But as long as they have domestic coal and Russian gas fueling them BRICS can keep growing in economic power and military strength.
China and India are direct economic and military rivals, there is no reason for them to work together in BRICS, other than that they both want cheap raw resources from Russia and Brazil. People chat a lot of shit about China vs Taiwan, but China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
>China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
please god i can't wait til that pops off beyond fighting with wooden clubs
Why would China and India start a war? I cant really see any reason besides a national dick contest like who got the biggest a-bomb arsenal.
Muh worthless contested lake in Tibet seems to be the biggest cause of chinks and poos in the loo fighting.
because they hate each other guts, both are hyper aggressive c**ts that want to conquer and slaughter their neighbors and both are laying a claim for ASIA NUMBA WAN spot.
There is a bigger chance of India joining up with a us led coalition of containing, isolating and bankrupting Chyna USSR style. Specially as it is seen as a viable hot spot to gobble up the manufacturing that is currently fleeing china due to Xi and friends moronation.
Vatniks dont even register on the radar compared to those two. It is an irrelevant asiatic borderland still coping with its past.
The bulk of south-east Asias water supply, and India's water in particular, originates in Chinese controlled tibet and the chinese are currently building dams to cut it all off so that they can use it for political and economic leverage over the region
Imagine what the russians are doing right now with Africa and the Middle easts food supply, but with water and in south-east asia
>Amerimutts blackmail and stab Europe in the back every day
>Amerimutts frick up global economics every day
>NOOO YOU CANT WORK TOGETHER AND ALLY AGAINST ME, THE OBJECTIVELY WORSE THREAT
Has a country ever fallen off as hard and fast as the U.S.?
Almost every day Biden has been in office the U.S. has lost ground around the World and the thing is, they don't even know it because they're too obsessed with their internal civil war race to the bottom.
While it’s true the Biden administration has been awful, it’s just continuing a decade of bad administrations pulling out of the world’s security affairs. The world cop is staying home. This has greatly emboldened non-Western, corrupt shitholes to grab other peoples’ stuff. When they get away with it the status and trust in the world cop drops. We still have tremendous soft power but that only has effect in the West and to a lesser degree in China.
>We still have tremendous soft power but that only has effect in the West and to a lesser degree in China
Japan needs way more Anime Diplomacy. It's pretty much THE way Japan communicates with other nations, in terms of our pop culture understanding of Japan (besides historical stereotypes like Samurai and Ninjas).
>Has a country ever fallen off as hard and fast as the U.S.?
It wasn't fast. The seeds of our destruction date back to the Federal Reserve. The final stages were just accelerated after the housing collapse.
>Almost every day Biden has been in office the U.S. has lost ground around the World and the thing is, they don't even know it because they're too obsessed with their internal civil war race to the bottom.
It's not that. It's that boomers can't hear anything other than 'MURICA and FREEDUMS!!! They sure as hell can't understand how the offshoring, immigration, feminism, and other assorted BS they supported destroyed the nation they grew up in. They'll still believe America is the greatest country on Earth, with the greatest opportunities, while the retirement homes in their gated communities burn down around them.
That is if we just don't end up in a nuclear exchange first because boomers want to GET THEM RUSKIES!!!
>americans should sacrifice everything to be the world's police
I would rather have affordable food and energy tbh.
>We still have tremendous soft power but that only has effect in the West and to a lesser degree in China.
China has soft power against us. We do not have soft power against China. Not any more.
>We do not have soft power against China.
Oh yes we do. Especially after Cheeto tweaked their nose over the blatant mercantilism, China knows well they need us at least as much as we need them, and they are a lot more fragile than we are.
>can't make our own computer chips
>can't make aluminum
>can't make steel
>can't make drugs
>can't even make our own face masks in a pandemic
>WE HAVE POWER OVER CHYNA
No we do not.
>China knows well they need us at least as much as we need them, and they are a lot more fragile than we are.
At this point they don't need us at all. If all trade stopped they would have a brief recession and bounce back. Our supply lines and economy would grind to a halt.
And how do you think the rich got rich and made sure you will never threaten them? Do you actually think women divorcing their husbands and getting careers was about "muh equality"? Or about wages? Do you think anything I mentioned was about anything other than enriching the rich?
You are moronic. We can and do all of those things and can scale them up whenever we want. China, OTOH, is flat out all the time, has no reserves and is rickety as a toothpick teepee. If both countries SHTF tomorrow, I know where is want to be
Post the nanometers of your semiconductors. And sugar
Intel just finished the 7nm expansion in Hillsboro and has been operating 14nm for years, zero TSMC involvement
Whatever you say, bugman.
>They sure as hell can't understand how the offshoring, immigration, feminism, and other assorted BS they supported destroyed the nation they grew up in
based moron falling for meme cultural issues that the rich want you to be mad about
>Almost every day Biden has been in office the U.S. has lost ground around the World
Vatnik level delusion. President potato ain't much, but he's a hell of a cold warrior. NATO hasn't been this united in a very long time. Fricking Finland is about to become a member. Imagine saying that 6 months ago. I guarantee you Putin miscalculated and assumed cornpop would act like every other American president since Reagan and cuck out when push comes to shove.
>last days of the republic
so there's centuries of empire left?
>would
>if
>would
>if
ok homosexual. its time for your state-assigned homosexuality lectures
>Lysychansk Russia
sounds comfy honestly
This is a good thing! All the greatest strategic victories start with a retreat and giving up territory.
In 2 weeks 5 more game changing EU wunderwaffen will have made their way to the front lines! Then Russia is in real trouble!
Vatniks rekt!
>This is a good thing! All the greatest strategic victories start with a retreat and giving up territory.
the irony of vatnicks saying this.
You can't be this moronic. VatBlack folk have been getting wrecked since the start of the war. Even now they just throw meat at the grinder while Ukrainians actually give a frick about saving troops lives. I was pro Russia, a complete poltard, until this war. They are subhumans.
Considering Ukrainian losses are on par with Russias despite being on the defensive with western support, they’re not exactly caring for their soldiers
Ah yes Russia keeps sending territorial defense units at the front with no artillery support, the absolute subhumans!
Imagine the absolute state of this tent once the culture clash inevitably takes place. There's a very real limit to how much "frick the west lmao" can carry a coalition.
Considering much of the Frick The West contingent is made up of Tankies, there's going to be a LOT of infighting as this falls apart.
the stench will kill them first.take china out of the picture and its turns into the no toilet club.
No denying ukes dropped the ball hard here. If Ukes are to win, they HAVE to fix their israelite problem. Letting them sit back and get their kids slaughtered to make way for somalians.
>inb4 vatnik
I'm good friends with Azov members and they say the same.
>. If Ukes are to win, they HAVE to fix their israelite problem
Vatnig concern troll is concerned.
I am honestly astounded at how bad you Black folk are at trying to bait or conduct PSYOPs. Unironically shit tier, kek
> Trust me dude I have AZOV friends who totally agree that Ukrops..... I mean Ukrainians are israeli lizard people
> No I will not mention the amount of israelites in important Russian positions
Stfu you russian c**t.
this entire war is clearly a israelite psyop to kill as many ukrainians as they can
theyre literally sending in female soldiers now
>they're literally sending in female soldiers now
source: intel slava z
Shouldn't China be a panda?
>China vs India is the actual asian conflict that we will see in the next few years.
In the coming years sure. But for now they both benefit too much from playing nicely with one another. If Europe and the US sees an recession than China and India can "catch up" economically a bit.
>t hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
That wasn't even the prediction. Some Goldman sachs banker coined the term as they were all fast growing developing economies but only China and India are still fast growing with all others being stagnant in growth.BRICs wasn't even supposed to be a political block.
its because poo is bande in china because meme are real
captcha ate screen shot
he unironically looks more like a traditional American than most of our Us politicians now
>If Europe and the US sees an recession than China and India can "catch up" economically a bit.
The opposite is true though, India's growth is directly tied to the fact that western countries are moving out of the unreliable and increasingly expensive China and are looking for a replacement workforce in SEA and India. If China succeeds, India loses.
That's probably not going to happen though, since China is loaded to the brim with private and public debt and has only been able to stay above water for the last few years because of the CCP's extraordinary powers over its economy and media narratives. It may already be too late to stop a recession in china.
Sure, but the monkey paw is that the Chinks and Indians are too poor and incompetent to provide high quality combat footage, so we'll be peering at shaky vertical phone footage at best and probably miss all the good stuff anyway.
>The opposite is true though
That's actually not how it works though. If the West experiences a recession while China would be hit only the sectors of the economy that directly trades with the West would be affected and and the Chinese economy would re-align itself to be less depended on the recession struck economies.
We saw this happen globally with the 2008 financial recession in the US; as American businesses collapsed Chinese businesses moved in. If the West would have another financial crisis then China and India would catch-up even more.
Traditional trade is meaningless as a metric.
The only reason China is so important is because assembly often happens there, while prior steps in the supply chain are not accounted for.
Wow, I hadn't seen this before.
This seems like a massive fricking oversight in how trade is calculated.
Where can I find out more about what's actually going on it trade?
>implying china's trade partners don't just source resources and components to ultimately sell to the west/US
also digital services and transfer of information is not accounted for in trade. the data companies like google and facebook acquire are worth untold billions but aren't accounted for in trade metrics globally. but it's bad because americans don't manufacture t shirts anymore for walmart or whatever.
>but it's bad because americans don't manufacture t shirts anymore for walmart or whatever.
That's not what I'm saying.
If the US has a recession there will be less productivity in the US, if I'm an foreign company that's buying components/products from the US and the US firm goes bust or has a slow-down I'll have to look for other firms to produce what I'm importing so I'll go for a Chinese company. This is how China "catches up" if the US has an economic down-turn.
think about for a moment how moronic that sounds
>US has recession
>sorry foreign customer i can't supply you with goods b/c recession when labor and materials gets cheaper
post guns
The problem i see with that statement is that China still rely on western know-how. They buy western companies for know-how and many even keep their R&D in western countries. Chinas only technical advances that surpasses others happen in surveilance technics related things. The inventing and developing chinese people are from Hong Kong or Taiwan. In my opinion Cina will never become leading in developing stuff because they oppress smart people.
China doesn't need to be leading as long as they can copy the USA and Europe.
And unlike Russia and India, their copies seem to work well enough to be export-worthy.
They even improve on all the Russian stuff they copy and make it actually useable.
Goes to show that, as usual, there is no BRICS. There is only China.
Fair point. But without USA and Europe, thereis noone to copy. What than?
The reason China is and will remain relevant is because it's perfectly content to bribe, subvert and ultimately own Europe and the USA unlike the rest of this moronic club.
China is merely an ailing autocracy burdened with a moronic ruler and his moronic clique.
The rest of the BRICS are "The worst parts of Detroit, but as an entire country".
lmao this is actually pathetic. BRICS is only propped up by China and a little bit India. It hasn't taken over the world as predicted in 2009, and it probably never will.
didnt the indians forgot to close the hatch on one of their subs?
>Argentina
oh no no no no
>You now realize that BRICS is a loose amalgamation of shithole developing countries that are united solely by the fact that they can't compete with the purchasing power of G8 countries on the open market.
I was just thinking about how BRICS reminded me of like a Chinese bootleg G8/G7
>Argentina
Where as soon as you get paid you have to buy everything you can or convert it before it is worth noticeably less then the next time youget paid.
South Africa is so depressing. How Black person leadership can ruin a country.
Where kotel?
Russia forgot to close the lid AGAIN
>roughly 40 miles away from the starting point
Best of luck for the next 650 miles of fighting.
Practice makes perfect, anon. Vatniks will get better on taking land. Ukies will get better at retreating.
It's over, Anon. This is now a war of the economies and that can only end one way. With total western victory. Russia only had one chance to get anything out of this war, and this was a total Ukrainian collapse within the first two days.
What we see now is just a farce, as one side celebrates taking a village and the other celebrates taking an empty rock in the sea and Yuri's prize winning cucumber field.
Why is the capture of Lisichansk so important?
For 8 years, Ukrainians concreted the Lisichansk- Slavyansk- Bakhmut triangle into two floors underground. Lisichansk was at the forefront of the attack on Donbass, the Ukrainians planned to launch an offensive from it. Now this fang has finally been knocked out of the mouth of the pig-dog.
What's next?
The final defeat of the Donbass group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be after the capture of Bakhmut and Slavyansk - a matter of a maximum of a month. Ukrainians understand that they no longer have 8 years to build the same fortifications, so they can only drag out time so that the rear forces prepare new trenches for retreat. What they have been building for years - we release in a month, what they have been building for months - in weeks, and what is in weeks - we will take in a matter of days.
Ukraine is just the beginning, Russia does not have time, then it is necessary to rebuild the economy on military rails and break through the corridor to Kaliningrad. Europe is waiting.
>a matter of a maximum of a month. Ukrainians understand that they no longer have 8 years to build the same fortifications, so they can only drag out time so that the rear forces prepare new trenches for retreat. What they have been building for years - we release in a month, what they have been building for months - in weeks, and what is in weeks - we will take in a matter of days.
this reeks of vatnik troll
I remember the same frickers like you, who shouted that ROUBLE IS FRICKING DOOMED, about the fact that RUSSIA HAS 2 MOTHS OF FUNCTIONALITY RESERV, Russia will shit itself in Ukraine and yada yada. But in winter it will be fricked up in Europe, the USA and in the rest of the world it will be even more fricked up.
There is nothing to wait for, but the corridor to Kaliningrad will not break through itself and mobilization will be needed there and this will affect everyone.
the ruble is doomed - every time it strengthens, the Russian budget gets fricked even more 🙂
and it's not like you can do anything but strengthen it
since you can't actually spend the USD/EUR sent to you on anything anymore, can you now?
> ruble goes down, ahahaha you're fricked
> ruble goes up, ahahah you're fricked
Propaganda at it's best.
>-ACK!
https://www.interfax.ru/business/849549
at least the exporters would live with a weak-as-piss RUB - sure, the pidorashkas wouldn't be too well off, but oil/gas would keep the country running for some time
> Oh no, economy is not set in stone and we need to adjust
There's no way to please everyone.
so, how would you solve the issue fricking Russia's budget?
please tell me how to adjust from 50% of your imports simply disappearing
Russia just has to become an agrarian idyll where everyone is happy
the biggest banan plantation in the world
>high wages for workers bad!
>rubble is the strongest currency in the world, kremlin says
>T. Irina Ivanova
You can't make this shit up.
UMMMM actually my currency is the strongest in the world. It's called AnonBuck and each AnonBuck is worth $1 trillion dollars US. I mean, only myself and my cat use it, but it's still super strong I am very rich and powerful yes!
These same outlets scoffed at the idea of a financial crisis in 2008
>Now this fang has finally been knocked out of the mouth of the pig-dog.
pottery
It's over, Anon. Just accept that the front won't move anymore and that one side is getting F-15 and the other side T-62s.
MY BROTHER IN CHRIST DONBAS CITY CAN STILL BE HIT WITH D-30s HOLY FRICK VATNIKS ARE THE MOST BRAINDEAD moronS EVER
Americans won't put up with sacrificing their economy to keep Ukraine afloat. When the food riots start in the fall and poor people can't afford heating in the winter, expect chaos.
>Food riots
>Heating fuel shortages
Oh yes, I remember how the US gets so much of its food and natural gas from Russia.
>Americans won't put up with sacrificing their economy to keep Ukraine afloat.
It’s weird to me how much certain groups have just accepted the Biden administration’s spin of a “Putin Price hike”. The economy is in the shitter for two reasons; the government continuing to blow money into the economy and moronic domestic energy policy to cater to eco mentalists. Things were awful before the war even started and even if we decided to lift every sanction on Russia tomorrow it wouldn’t change much of anything.
>Biden cancels oil pipelines and drilling leases
>Biden asks the American public "How could Putin do this to us?" when gas prices go through the roof
It's all so tiresome.
There are too many idiots in America that don't understand even the basics of economic policy and how it affects them.
The only way to fix the economy is by raising the interest rate several percent and crashing the stock market as quickly as possible. There are many zombie companies being kept alive by loans and bailouts that need to fail. Taking out the trash improves the health of the economy and improves productivity via competition. Dragging out the rate increases and then reversing course next year is not solving the problem of cheap, plentiful cash flooding the market. We're instead going to end up with stagflation or a depression with how moronic/malicious the Fed and the Biden admin are being.
Pumping money into Ukraine and the defense industry is only making inflation worse because money printer go brrrrrrrrrr. The tens of billions they're spending now will show up as additional inflation next year.
>sacrificing
You don't realize how massive the United States economy is, Ivan. You also don't understand the degree of luxury that Americans live in. Poor Americans are fat. They have houses and bellies stuffed with food. The greatest economic risk to them is a somewhat reduced consumption of luxuries and that's not because of anything to do with giving arms to Ukraine. You are saying that an angel won't step on an ant for fear of breaking a sweat.
Poor Americans are fat because they eat carbs and seed oils composed of subsidized crops. Food companies have spent over 50 years making this cheap, harmful food as addictive as possible. Some poor people also get this poison for "free" from government handouts like SNAP (38 mil recipients) and WIC (11 mil recipients). However, government handouts always lag when it comes to inflation. Not only will crops cost a lot more, but food allowances won't increase enough either. Anything healthier (like cruciferous veggies, meats, eggs, and fruits) all cost more.
Poor families don't own houses either. Almost half (45%) of households under 50k income rent instead of own. Black families have an average household income of 45k and hispanics are at 55k. There's a lot of poor minorities stuck renting with no agency to improve their rent or utility prices. Those costs are only going up with inflation and poor people don't get raises.
Poor people do a bunch of dumb shit with money. That's why they're poor. I certainly laugh when they waste their money on luxuries like a big tv or a new phone. But there's a huge part of this country that can't afford this inflation for even basic necessities. It will cause problems in the near future. We're already in a recession. When it escalates to a depression, it's not going to be peaceful around here.
I have to remind you that Russia hasn't lost a single meter of russian clay so far. So what exactly is this "total western victory" you speak of? They won double digit % inflation and triple digit % resource prices? Good for them.
When Germany capitulated in WW1 they still occupied most of Belgium. This isn't a video game where you gain two fields and the war score ticks up over time.
>'The west will collapse this time for sure!', says unemployed social outcast as he hopes for the world to change so he isn't just a normal loser anymore
It kills Russians and destroys an enemy of the west, we don't even have to lift a finger and we weren't the ones who started it and are morally in the right in the eyes of the world
Really all we could ever ask for.
>It kills Russians and destroys an enemy of the west
kys gay
>Implying I can't have more than one enemy at a time
I'm a talented guy, I can hate a lot of people at once
>he isn't aware that most of modern western society's cancer originate from a mix of cold war-era soviet operations to destroy the west combined with the western elite's inbuilt need to turn western societies into atomized, disunified, easily controlled consoomer mobs
And before you go
>but muh russia is based
It is not, Russia's playbook has always been to play both sides when it comes to any societal conflict. During the Cold War, the KGB supported both the KKK and Black nationalists. Today, Russia's state media promotes troonyism in its South American publications while being against it in its English language material.
Yes because Russia wouldn't love to see the US burn to the ground....
Yes Russia is our enemy, that doesn't make those three any better
>celebrating progress slower than WW1
>while Ukraine is getting armed by the west every day
>while more and more ukrainians are being slaughtered every day
fixed
>you should have just surrendered, and we would only murder some of you
to the last ukrainian
>implying vatnig losses weren't ten times the Ukrainian ones
Holy cope
Kyiv independent, you might of while used an article from the Jerusalem post lol
seething vatBlack person
yet when they post anything negative about ukr performance it's immediately a gospel. frick off cretin.
I have never cited them as a source once cause u know they have about as much credibility as CNN or RT douche monster
Yeah, usually negative reports about yourself can be believed, negative reports about your enemy, dubious. That's like a basic analysis tool people use.
Those numbers are far too low stop posting vatniks propaganda.
Cope. Russia will be partitioned in our lifetimes.
Or maybe not yours depending on if you get drafted or not.
Ukraine is slowly losing the war.
On RT and other propaganda outlets. In the real world Russia is collapsing.
Cope.
Collapsing into advances?
You're very bad at your job. You need more training. You can be a better shill than this.
Cope
Ukraine is slowly losing the war.
Cope
Slowly losing by repelling offensive on Kiev and Kharkov.
After that russian concentrate all their offensive forces in the Donbass to advance at a snail pace, until they will not have the capacity to advance anymore.
>Ukraine is slowly los-ACK
I mean real talk though the only Russian advance along the entire front was a tiny area of the Donbas, at ludicrous cost in men, equipment, and ammunition (IIRC they estimated the Russians were using something like 50k shells a day in their severodonetsk/lysychansk "offensive") that's just plain unsustainable.
it took them all of this effort for the most difficult to defend ukrainian positions how in the frick does the Russian high command think they'll be able to secure the kramatorsk/sloviansky axis?
>think they'll be able to secure the kramatorsk/sloviansky axis?
the same way
given the amount of territory taken per the amount of effort expended so far they'll have exhausted their ammunition supplies before they even come close to kramatorsk or sloviansk ivan
Mariupol is difficult to defend now? Last I heard, Azovstal was a virtually impenetrable fortress
Christ, you frickers are such fricking cucks; you really think this war has been a success for Russia overall, that they're suddenly stronger now on the geopolitical stage, more influential ? Do you really think the war is going to lead to an improvement in the life quality of the average Russian ? I mean sure, I understand wanting to reframe it, perhaps you're even paid to do so, but to anyone outside that failing authoritarian shithole it's pretty obvious that Putin fricked it all up, that the last 3 months have been a massive waste and loss on pretty much every level. Keep posting I guess if it makes you feel better lol...
>Do you really think the war is going to lead to an improvement in the life quality of the average Russian ?
average kazap doesn't care about prosperity, only that his country has the biggest dick, he can live in squalor and decay but as long as his country's dick is big no problem.
Holy shit the /k/ope
>still can't buy anything for the money since the sanctions
he's right
>they cant buy anything with it!
Lol lmao this is what you get with low or unpaid shills
But Gazprom isn't producing and Russia's largest gas field was burning the other day, while Germany and Italy are beginning to buy US natgas. Then there's picrel.
r*ssians are no Europeans, my little vodkaBlack person.
Look at that ugly fricking language. Surely no European language. Seethe more vodkaBlack person :^)
>seething in orcish
please continue, monkeyboy HAHAHAHAHA
Post English.
THE SHARE PRICE OF GAZPROM FELL!?
OH NO VATNIKBROS ITS OVER
Wouldn't a cap on Russian prices hurt Russia more?
Cope.
ruzzia will be partitioned soon.
at this rate they only have about 30 years left
/k/ bros we got too wienery...
I would agree, but "slowly" is an understatement. The russian military performance is abysmal, the ukies are slowly grinding them down fighting retreating battles and making the russians pay dearly for each city they take. This shit could fly in 1944 when the country was supported via lendlease but not today, this strategy simply isn't sustainable.
The russian solution for this is "let us pepper them with arty", literally WW1-tier. Now with 5-eyes intel and nato reconnaissance and actually modern mrls it's just a matter of time when the russian army loses the last bit if momentum they had.
>the ukies are slowly grinding them down
Other way around you fricking moron.
Yeah, I'm sorry, you're right. The russians only lost a miniscule amount of equipment and troops.
Time to lay off the alpha-pvp, comrade
what does loss mean? dead or out of action for any reason?
>We, er, Ukraine I mean, killed 50 billion Russians
>Source: Ourselves
Impressive cope, /k/turd.
How come it’s cope? Russia doesn’t care about losses, you vatBlack folk are always adamant to remind us about it.
>this fricking lolcow is supporting r*ssia
Thats everything I need to know. To a quick nuclear annihilation of r*ssian land OR the r*ssian economy!
hahaha.. parasite mad..
Your English skills are piss poor if you mistake amusement for madness
ahahahaha.. parasite soo fricking mad.
>projecting
Boring troll.
It's cope because you are loser b***hes in denial.
Explain why this is a cope
>South Africa
I haven't seen that one before. Is it really part of the cope bandwagon?
It's the S in BRICS moron
And BRICS is not the solid alliance you delusional vatnik think it is.
They are just meeting once a year because they're the main emerging economies.
When the frick did I say it was
Screencap it for me
They got snubbed by the west pretty hard in the 80s when their nig problem came to a boil. There's still some bad blood there
Eskimo from Nunavut independent oblast here. israelitelensky and his HATO masters MUST surrender immediately or I fear my family will run out of seal meat and igloo blocks. The west cannot afford this costly war.
Russia did a good job advancing in the south so they don't have only one front to attack the city with defenders on the high grounds.
Still ridiculous in the big picture considering all they lost so far.
Those lines are literally made up they were never that far, they blitzed in the beginning as a shock and awe and didn't really hold any towns they just went in and controlled the main roads after Ukraine was being serious and not folding over they rotated their troops to Donbass and have been cleaning up ever since.
Yeah it's a joke because morons like you were claiming ROSSYA STRONG would surround "oinkrainians" and wipe them out. Eventually you gays gave up and now you're acting like it never happened.
>cleaning up
They're barely gaining ground at a massive cost. That's not cleaning up.
The lines on the map made with the way the russian army acted, and what russian state media was saying.
In the beginning everyone was talking about how Russia will take all the west and now all eyes are on a town of 100k people. That russia take only by reducing it to the ground thanks to their superior artillery power.
+ Read pic rel, it show you how russian elites overestimated themselves.
That's a lot of text to say
>WE WUZ SOVIETS AN SHIET
it could've been true
>thinking this occupation is going to be sustainable
>forgetting Afghanistan and Grozny
>this invasion is turning out worse than both of those put together
Hard to have a true "fortress" on flat land terrain, way to easy to get encircled.
>fortress city
Who actually called it this?
It would have been a relatively strong position if they tried to push from the east, but with a risk of being encircled from the south the Ukrainian army left it.
Russian propaganda, painting enemy fortifications as far more impressive than they actually are is an old classic in it. Couple hastily built bunkers and handful of mongols armed with WW1 leftovers was apparently some northern Maginot Line defended by heavily armed elite fascists according to Soviet propaganda from that time period.
This you ? -->
Yeah that shits funny
Everyone knew they'd lose that zone. Fricking Ukraine knew that as well. Think those AWACs hovering in the air 24/7 with no break, and US's entire military military satellite fleet could not see that coming? It's a numbers game and Russia just has more in that area, no doubt about it.
That being said, you have to focus on the big picture. Like the former head of DNR, the pickle guy said, Ukraine can afford to trade that land for time. They are retreating into more and more fortified land at the end of the day, culminating with the dniper river.
So where are we now? 4+ months into this war, Russia still controls less than they've controlled a month into it, so all things considered, Ukraine is doing well.
Izyum is getting hammered by Ukraine, along with Kherson. Just today 2 more villages were liberated in the area.
We now have heavy weapons finally coming in. Whatever reasons are for the delay, we now have proper, modern NATO weaponry, along with properly trained troops for them.
We see HIMARS working positions along the frontlines, hitting dozens of depos and logistical deep into Russia controlled territory. These are pinpoint systems, with a CEP of a few meters, compared to Russia's literal anti-ship missiles that miss by up to 250 meters, if not more. Because of that, we now see daily footage of fat clouds of smoke up to 70km into the captured territory. Will see how long they can last without those critical logistic centres.
Kherson is being pushed slowly but steadily, same with Izyum and N Kharkiv. Now the eastern frontline is much smaller, so Ukraine can just hold out better. Russia will have tighter deployment lines, which means whatever is left of their BTGs there has either be squeezed into less area or they have to deploy less. Win-win for Ukraine regardless, now that they have proper 155mm arty to smash them. The coming months will be a sight to see, I'm sure
>cope
the post
>We now have heavy weapons finally coming in
you'll die
and thats a good thing
You guys are talking to yourselves with this shit. The Reddit tourists have mostly left, they got bored and disappointed with the war. The free kill Russian kinos dried up. Ukraine getting slowly chewed up in trench warfare isn’t what the tourists were here for.
Cope
There is unironically more pro-Ukraine kino on telegram, leddit or /ugh/ than on /k/, I checked recently out of curiosity, all of them are about half a day to a full day ahead of /k/ unless it's some high quality kino in which case it's still an hour behind.
I don't think there were that many ledditor's anyway since they had the same content and ability to have conversations why would they leave leddit.
Personally I just think it was just oldgays who were on a war high with something to actually talk about.
Yep, now that it's clear this isn't like one of them videogames all the effete westerners with burned out dopamine receptors have left lol
thank God, I see actual weapons discussions again too
/k/ope are the type of homosexuals who are pro-Ukraine, pro weapons but won't do anything to help them but post in an echo chamber of their own making and think that somehow helps. Top kek.
i.e. The impotent demographic with control issues that would buy guns.
I mostly picture a hybrid of Matt Forney and that guy who grave robbed to sell bones.
Depends on the losses incurred by both sides. Seems extremely pyrrhic on both sides.
Looks so comfy.
It looks like it stinks of shit from the open defecation behind the tent
Why is everyone so invested in the outcome of this war?
I need russia dead
Slavs killing other slavs (even if they are heavily intermixed with mongoloids) is always fun.
Democrats need a distraction from all their domestic blunders.
Cause it's the only war we've got right now. Beats watching airstrikes of mud huts any day.
's cool
Because everyone wants Russia to finally keel over and this is as close of a call as it gets.
Half the world wants the energy and food prices to go back to normal, since that's what's driving inflation worldwide. The other half just hates Russians with all their guts.
>Everyone
China, India, some of South America, most of Africa, most of middle east and some indo-pacific are all friendly or neutral to Russia. North America and Europe isn't the whole world. And your falling for laughably disingenuous talking point is embarrassing when inflation and western financial distress was occurring way before Feb 2022.
>muh putin price hike
The sanctions harmed the west more than Russia and its hilarious to see
>listing all the shittest places on earth
there's pattern here, i can't quite putting my finger on it.
America and all of Europe would collapse in less than 3 months if all energy supplies and goods trade were cut from Russia and China
And then nuke both of those
Not remotely. Not even in your wettest of wet dreams.
people would get very angry, and there would be enormous harm done, but nobody in NATO would collapse. Sheeit homie, the US of A could Berlin Airlift the entire subcontinent with food an supplies if it came down to it
North America is full of resources we don't make use of because of a moronic green polices that would go away in a heartbeat if we suffered a real resource crisis, Europe is fricked though.
Also the average American is so fat they could survive for a decade on a starvation diet. If a famine rolled around China and other countries would die in the millions, meanwhile the lifespan of Americans would ironically raise.
>China, India
lol
>friendly or neutral
Let's see how Africa and Middle East reacts in a few months when people can't afford their shit-filled pita roll because someone bombs and blockades the world's fifth grain exporter.
>inflation and western financial distress was occurring way before Feb 2022
It was, but it got way worse since Russia decided to spit in the West's face and throw the world into an inflationary spiral to occupy some bumfrick nowhere territories.
>Russia decided to spit in the West's face and throw the world into an inflationary spiral
breasts or GTFO dumbass c**t are you moronic?
>so mad that can't even argue coherently
lol
America has been digging its inflation grave since 2001 buddy Russia has nothing to do with it, unless your government decided to sanction things they need
China and India see Russia as a useful idiot at best, Africa and South America is full of shitholes buckbroken by Soviet propaganda that fortunately have no weight on the world stage.
The buttholes in power are inflating my living costs and are curtailing my freedoms.
Because liberals hate Russia for "hacking" the 2016 election(whatever the frick that's suppose to mean) and for not bowing down to globohomo. So they'll stop at nothing to see the Russian government overthrown a new left wing puppet government installed.
i don't like russia. they are next to my country and are persistent on threatening us (and our neighbors). take your HURR DURR LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT and shove it up your ass
How did they threaten you, by making you reliant on them for fossil fuels..? XD
i am from estonia.
I seem to remember something about Estonia threatening to ban the Russian language a few years back and now you're participating in unlawful sanctions and your neighbor Lithuania is breaking it's treaty by blockading Kaliningrad?
What is Estonia supposed to gain by antagonizing the superpower on it's border? You're being set up just like Ukraine. Satanic liberals are jacking you off whispering in your ear "Russia will be broken!" but it's the Baltics that will be hung out to dry, just like Ukraine.
>russia
>superpower
Better retreat than a second Mariupol. I thought they hold out more, but with the closin of Ukrainian access maybe for the better? At least we cant say Ukrainians cant learn like we can say with Russias VDV, Holomel disaster, Russian airfield groundhog day, triple river crossing slaughter and the snake island multi-massacre.
What happened with the cauldron south of Lysychansk? I expected something big from Russia, but Ukrainians already left that area?
>WE NEVER WANTED UKRAINES EASTERN INDUSTRIAL PARKS ANYWAYS
NATO terrorists seething hard
I love collecting rare pepe, just sayin'.
NATO is not involved despite what RT tells you.
>OMG PUTIN IS STILL ALIVE UKIES ON SUICIDE WATCH.
Still waiting for that cauldron.
I’ll keep reminding /k/ what the war is about. It’s about gas. Straight up. Everything Putin has done starting in 2014 re Ukraine has been solely about protecting his oligarchs’ gas exports to Europe.
Ukraine inherited all of the USSR’s export infrastructure needed to sell gas to Europe. As long as Ukraine stayed in Russia’s orbit everything was fine, but a political upheaval occurred and the country started moving towards the West. And then about 10 years ago MAJOR gas gas deposits were found in Eastern Ukraine. Now Putin was alarmed. A big development deal with Shell was signed. Soon the West would be able to cut out Russia from the gas market in Europe and that be disastrous for Putin’s power structure. So Putin took quick action and launched an invasion in 2014 which started a war that made Shell pull out of the deal due to proximity with the conflict. But this was only a temporary solution. Nordstream 2 was a play to secure Russian gas to Europe bypassing Ukraine entirely—which was killed by the West last year. A few months later, Russia invades. Tries to regime change Ukraine but didn’t have the capability to complete the operation. So, as a minimal goal, Russia reorganized and focused on Crimea and Donbas in the East to secure or at least threaten the big gas fields. The Black Sea deposits are secured and will probably stay that way. This is Russia’s overriding interest in this war.
>protecting his oligarchs’ gas exports to Europe.
Getting banned from europe helps this how?
Given how thirsty krauts are for cheap vatnik fart gas? You could be sure that if this war ended tomorrow, they would be lobbying for the normalization of the relationship before the week was over.
>You could be sure that if this war ended tomorrow, they would be lobbying for the normalization of the relationship before the week was over.
Yes, but this war is going to last for decades.
They will have LNG terminals in early 2023. This war will take years and by then there will only be a feint memory of a thing called 'trade with Russia'.
>feint memory
Faint. A feint is when you send your best soldiers and frickloads of equipment to get obliterated all around the enemy capital so you can focus on three months of raining shells into a small city near your border.
This a moron take
>The gas deposits in Ukraine are miniscule compared to Russia's
>Europe stopped buying oil and gas from Russia
>Gas extraction companies left Russia
>Accounts of Russians got frozen everywhere
>etc.
You might as well argue WW1 started to secure wheat fields in Serbia. It's just a stupid take.
You have to educate yourself. The new gas fields could replace all or most of Russia’s volume to Europe. That’s why Shell signed a $10 billion deal in Ukraine in 2013. That was just the first contract. That’s why Russia invaded a year later, which caused Shell to pull out of the deal due to proximity to the conflict. Russia invaded literally 3 months after Nordstream 2 was killed. If you think these are unrelated you’re being willfully ignorant.
Which is why even the most self-serving and cynical of Westerners should back Ukraine, securing its energy supplies.
Russia’s terrible weakness in the war is exactly what emboldened the the West to so strongly support Ukraine. Biden SHOULD have immediately deployed the rapid reaction forces. It DEMANDED a hard power response. The world was looking to the US waiting for it. Instead a soft power response was launched. That has been terribly damaging to Russia but also to us. Political ties were strengthened, but fear in the world cop dropped again. The Russians should have been immediately booted from the country when it was clear they couldn’t seriously resist us. Relations would have normalized, the gas would flow, food would move and Putin would have no choice but to figure out another play.
Not him but thx for this; amazing how little reporting there is on the whole issue considering - post links if you've got them.
Nta but I've been explaining this shit since the war started.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-21194519
There is the deal and whatdyaknow, they're invaded months later.
10 billion are nothing, Anon. You have provided no actual sources or counterarguments, just conjecture.
Feel free to answer any of these questions:
>In what way would the economic destruction of Russia that is happening now (VAT revenue collapsed by 60%, imports have collapsed by 90%, car sales stopped completely, etc.) outweigh securing Ukrainian gas fields?
>How is Russia supposed to extract gas in a war zone without western companies? (inb4 China, they also need help from western companies)
>Who is supposed to buy that gas, when it it is heavily embargoed?
>Why hasn't Ukraine extracted the gas before the war? (The answer being the small amount of viable gas and it's difficulty of being extracted, which has prevented this since the Soviet times)
You created a head cannon around an issue that really isn't one. Think, Anon. Think.
Russia is an oil state. Furthermore, the oligarchs both own and, simultaneously, steal from, the energy industry. As Russia is the largest producer of gas by a large margin the oligarchs (and Putin) enjoy tremendous wealth. Mega yachts and palaces. But also great soft power which they used to build up the system of bribes which turned the Russian state into what it is today. Hydrocarbons is the foundation of Russia’s power structure and a huge chunk of the nation’s wealth besides.
As I’ve explained over and over to the ignorant trash flooding /k/, sanctions hurt Russia a lot less than they would other countries with a more natural market structure. Because Russia is an oil state they can stay afloat on hydrocarbons which is a world market and with little over-capacity. Especially gas which is less fungible than oil. Because corrupt tin pot oil states don’t bother diversifying their economies the impact of sanctions is reduced. That’s why Putin can keep slogging away in Ukraine and he’ll keep it up until the gas is secured. It’s an existential threat to him and his power structure, not the sanctions. He KNOWS there’s no replacement for Russian gas and won’t be a good while yet. Europe won’t freeze but the industry is fricked without gas.
so Putin is fuelling the West war machine to line his own pockets?
Yes. And also fricking russia into ass on the long run by forcing europe to become less dependent on russian resources.
The guy deserves an metal for singlehandedly dismanting russian threat.
>both sides of a supposedly deadly geopolitical rivalry keep fueling each other with no end in sight
It keeps russia occupied and the west amused.
>Russia is an oil state. Furthermore, the oligarchs both own and, simultaneously, steal from, the energy industry. As Russia is the largest producer of gas by a large margin the oligarchs (and Putin) enjoy tremendous wealth.
Yes
>sanctions hurt Russia a lot less than they would other countries with a more natural market structure.
Correct
>Because Russia is an oil state they can stay afloat on hydrocarbons which is a world market and with little over-capacity. Especially gas which is less fungible than oil. Because corrupt tin pot oil states don’t bother diversifying their economies the impact of sanctions is reduced.
That's simply not true. Look at Venezuela for example. Russia is lacking diversification so much that that they can't even extract resources without direct help by it's enemies. And it lost most of the world as trading partners.
>That’s why Putin can keep slogging away in Ukraine and he’ll keep it up until the gas is secured.
He can't. The west can pour an indefinite amount of support into Ukraine while Russia struggles to manufacture razor blades. Russia is down to using T-62s and we are barely in month 5 of this war. In month 10, what will they use? AKs and Ladas?
Normally a state like that knows to keep quiet and just continue on. Sell resources, take the money, buy houses in Malibu and London, enjoy the good life of a mafia boss.
>It’s an existential threat to him and his power structure, not the sanctions. He KNOWS there’s no replacement for Russian gas and won’t be a good while yet.
Europe already imports more American gas than Russian gas, and barely any of the LNG terminals are working yet. America, Qatar and others can fully substitute the demand by 2023.
>Europe won’t freeze but the industry is fricked without gas.
It's really not. Studies predicted a 3/4% drop in GDP if Russia cut the line, back in March. By now substitution is actively happening and the effect would be way less.
Now Russia on the other hand
>Now Russia on the other hand
completely depends on western money and products even for their shitty oil and gas economy. They can not keep this going for even a few months, as inventories run out and the import of most important goods becomes impossible.
Sorry. Character limit
Ruskie shills usually reply that with "Russia will buy from chinks instead" without realizing that this just gives chinks extremely strong leverage on russia.
It will be amusing when chinks just tell "Give us outer manchuria or we will cut the supplies", and russia can only cry and comply.
>Russia invaded literally 3 months after Nordstream 2 was killed.
it's ruskies who killed it lol, that makes no sense anon
Ukraine is slowly losing the war.
I fixed it for the modern /chug/ audience
Name the israelite.
How would you like me to do that?
I do try.
Actual effort instead of just slapping cutouts on top of the original.
So Russia seized two piles of rubble. I'm so impressed.
Post downtown Belgorod right now.
Ukrops chimping out at losing Lysychansk and throwing random HIMARS into Belgorad, Melitopol and Kursk
Very cringe
>destroying strategic objectives
>cringe
homie you gay
Yeah this random house in Belgorod, very strategic
Should not have hidden soldiers there
stop putting ammo in civil houses then?
Inb4 it's a generals house.
Shit sandwich russians are about to it is not even ready yet, that's just an appetizer.
Obviously russian false flag
check incel slava z for more news that the russia wants to hide
okay, call for general mobilization then
Actually had 500 neocommunist radicals from Kaspian battalion housed there
Obvisously there were parked Russian tanks there.
Same as when Russia shelled those apartment blocks in Odessa two days ago or that mall in Kremenchuk filled with Azov neonazis, right?
Never knew a HIMARS did so little damage. Don't even know what you vatniks are scared of.
Russians need to solve their own problems instead of blaming Ukraine for everything that goes wrong on their territory. Maybe they should suck Xi's dick a bit less too.
Finally you've realized that we only speak and understand languages for humans. Good dog.
That's a goddamn house fire not a missile hit, genius. If M31 landed on that house it'd be ruble. Even the glass in the windows isn't shattered. Who are you trying to bullshit with that weak shit?
>it'd be ruble
>start a war
>get bombed
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO ME TERRITORY STOP CHIMPING OUT
lol
no wonder vatniks are melting down
Good lord. No one is shooting random civilian structures in this war. Ukrainians sometimes do like that Russian wood church last month, but that was troops raging against a symbol of Russia, not artillery forces targeting civilians in a "chimpout". Russia has accidentally hit things but those are obviously errors caused by poor accuracy and/or targeting errors (ie, obvious targets were nearby). Besides that if either side hits a civilian structure it’s ALWAYS been because troops were using the structure. I guarantee that all of these deep strikes into pro-Russian territory were aimed at a military target.
Epicenter of Belgorod strike is literally just a bunch of houses
Yikes
https://twitter.com/OsintBrazil/status/1543408785737351168
>Thousands of houses, entire cities, random tower blocks and supermarkets in cities hundreds of miles from the from in Ukraine destroyed
No response
>Four get damaged in Russia
WARCRIME
You lack any sense of scale.
Such things happen when you hide snipers inside bunch of houses.
Yeah, sure.
>500m away
Are you stupid or a shill? Russia routinely levels civilian infrastructure as they pass through and no it's not "accidents". They're fricking locusts
That's what happens when there is street fighting in literally every war where there is urban combat dumbass. Your not making the moral point you think you are
>it's okay that Russia blows up every city it passes anywhere near!
We should have nuked fricking Moscow instead of Hiroshima.
There are pictures and videos that weren't made up by state teevee, potato. I know you have a hard time understanding that since you are all chronic, incorrigble compulsive liars from birth, but it is a fact.
Now go drink another bottle and beat Mrs potato and your little potatoes they miss you
>Good lord. No one is shooting random civilian structures in this war.
Pic of Belgorad epicenter
You know, if Russians don't want to get bombed they can just end the war at any moment they choose
I'm a little more bullish on Ukraine.
>Ukraine will never see the lost Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kherson territories again for at least another generation and maybe never
You're right that losing Severodonetsk and Luhansk is pretty bad for the hohols, but I'm also hearing more and more of big ammo depots going up in flames a good distance behind the front lines, whether due to HIMARS or something else. If the Ukrainains can keep that up over a long enough period of time, they may be able to dislodge the Russians.
Defenders definitely have an advantage, and it's good for the Russians they were able to first advance, capture several cities, and then dig into the area they captured, but fortifications alone can't hold territory--you also need ammo for your soldiers, food and water to keep them from starving, and pay to keep them from deserting. If the Ukrainians have weapons advanced enough to blow up Russian supply and transport over a long enough time, their forces might simply be unable to maintain an occupation even over the land they've taken.
In reference to pay,
2: Ukraine's economic prospects are rosier than Russia's, even though right now it's in ruins. Amerifats are already talking about a Marshall Plan for the country. Meanwhile, the "soaring" ruble is going to feel the full sting of the sanctions in a few months. Countries on Russia's periphery, like Uzbekistan, are already getting restless. A little more time and Russia may not be able to afford its campaign, or even holding itself together.
You're right that things don't look so good for Ukraine right now, but I think if they can hold on for a few more months, maybe a year at most, they'll keep growing stronger while Russia keeps growing weaker.
Yes if Ukraine can hold on losing at least 1000 casualties every day that passes by for a year. Give me a break....
>Muh 2 more weeks till Russians front collapses narrative
Your not smart, this war isn't complicated, Russia is grinding out Ukraine, rotating their troops and keeping a fresh front line which Ukraine does not have the luxury of doing. Ukraine's sole reason for being able to put up a fight is because they are an equipment dumping site for the US and NATO. They will eventually run out of morale and men at this pace no matter what kind of shiny new toys the west gives them.
>100 to 200 casualties in one high intensity battle zone
>grows to 1000 casualties
>grows to 1000 casualties per day every day
>Russia's losing nothing
Frick. You Black folk keep inflating the numbers like no one's business.
Literally admitted by the hohols themselves moron
>at least 1000
>shows article that says that 1000 is absolute maxium and average is 200
lol
lmao
Not him but you monkeys are conflating killed with combat losses. The article states 200-500 killed daily and somewhere around 1000 in total killed, wounded, or some other way removed from the battlefield every day.
Still capped to 1000 and not a single more you c**t
You didn't read the fricking text of you own goddamn post, did you, you fricking cum-sucking, AIDS-ridden, child-raping, krokodil-laced tsarist prostitute.
>implying ww1 france didnt lose more for years and still didnt give a frick
Except officials stated later the guy has no evidence for this claim and he overstated in order to garner more support. He doesn't have access to such data either.
>They will eventually run out of morale and men at this pace no matter what kind of shiny new toys the west gives them.
It's not like Russia has a surfeit of men either, despite its larger population. They're already increasing the draft age, which is not something you do if you've got plenty of strapping young lads ready and willing to fight for you.
>Your not smart
The best part of this is that it is STILL the separatists doing ALL the fighting for the Russians against Ukraine. Even the miniscule meaningless victories it scrapes out of this debacle couldn't be done with Russian troops, they need ringers hahaha
These poor fricks have absolutely no clue what they are doing. While I am hostile to the Ukrainian coup fake government, I feel bad for these kids. You have to just leave your buddy to die in that situation
>Fortress city
According to whom?
Also, Russians have like 10 to 1 advantage, its been almost half a year already.
Imagine Germany taking 4 months to take fricking Poznan in 1939.
>Imagine Germany taking 4 months to take fricking Poznan in 1939.
TRUST THE PLAN. 2 more weeks!
To be fair it was lauded as the fortress city because of the river and very favourable elevation.
It would probably hold much longer then it did but fall of Zolotne and Hirske SE of the city exposed the flank and Ukrianinas had to withdraw. If Russians wete forced to attack directly from Severodonetsk it would be a bloodbath.
tell me when they take kyiv
next week Slavyansk
Jewkraine stopped all civilian movements in and out of Slavyansk.. People can not evacuate anymore. Jeklrainians are taking civilian population as a shield again.
Starting today, the movement of electric transport stops in Slavyansk. This was announced by the head of the Slavic city military administration Vadim Lyakh.
"We were forced to do this due to the constant threat of shelling and the inadmissibility of crowds," the mayor explained.
They promise to inform about the resumption of trolleybus traffic additionally.
https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4490956-v-slavianske-prekratyly-dvyzhenye-elektrotransporta-mer
>starts chimping out
Anon, trolleybuses use wire, they cannot get out of the city anyway.
>the movement of electric transport stops in Slavyansk
Look at this genius trying to escape a city on a streetcar lmao
The most expensive car imported to Ukraine at zero duty was the Mercedes-Benz G63 AMG model of 2022 edition at the price of 220 thousand dollars. This was reported by the Transcarpathian customs.
Its owner is an entrepreneur from Dnepropetrovsk region.
In total, as of July 1, in the zone of activity of the Transcarpathian customs, since the beginning of the law on "zero customs clearance" (from March 24), 18,897 cars purchased by Ukrainians outside the country have been released for free circulation.
https://korrespondent.net/business/financial/4490891-nazvana-samaia-dorohaia-mashyna-zavezennaia-v-ukraynu-po-nulevoi-rastamozhke
>McConnell was born on February 20, 1942, to Julia Odene "Dean" (née Shockley; 1919–1993) and Addison Mitchell "A.M." McConnell II (1917–1990). McConnell was born in Sheffield, Alabama, and grew up in nearby Athens, Alabama, where his grandfather, Robert Hayes McConnell Sr. and his great uncle Addison Mitchell McConnell, owned McConnell Funeral Home. He is of Scots-Irish and English descent. One of his ancestors fought on the American side in the American Revolutionary War.
i heard you can write yourself into Scientologys cannon for 2 mils.
Kek we're at day 128 of the 3 day special needs operation, and this is the best the russian could achieve after all of that. Now we go back to the great russian advances, with 40 km convoys in hostile territory getting btfo by cheap drones
How are we /k/oping today frens? Vatniks not being nice?
>How are we /k/oping today frens?
why would I cope with dead russians? It's warming my heart
dead ukies likewise
In case your wondering about the vatnik posting with piss poor english, seething about da joos and replying with random unrelated shit.
He's a Russian diaspora living in Germany, I recognize his posting style from PrepHole.
Russians are subhumans though. Good to see them die
kek. you fricking parasite.. the irony here is that i only posted some pictures and translations of israelitekrainian medias. .. and you got so fricking mad that you startend farting fire and insult everyone..
No, im only insulting you after lurking /k/ this past week at work and learning to recognize your posts nutellafren.
Must be hard now that your government is going to start spending more money on defense and cutting down on gibsmedats for leeching shitskins. Why are you even on /k/ if you cant even afford guns?