So militarily speaking, how is this going to influence the war?

So militarily speaking, how is this going to influence the war?
Anonymous sources familiar with the matter have indicated that Putin want's to reassure everyone to not panik

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NOOOOOKS

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nuke forces brought to high alert, he'll try to scare the west into stopping support for Ukraine and into suing for a piece with current occupation zones being annexed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >kinda hard to anex when what you claim to occupy shrinks every hour

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *peace

        Hence the rush for referendums and this urgent meeting. They'll want to send an unequivocal message very soon before this gets out of hand

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >before this gets out of hand
          it is not in their hand, it is in this hand

          how many vatniks must be sacrificed for apotheosis?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All of them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          already is

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Rush for referendums
          >November 4th
          At this rate he won't get shit lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all right dis be ruskie lands now, get out or i'll nooook you
      >noooo get out, I'm warning you!
      Something something wars start when you will but don't end when you wish.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By the time they have agreed on the peace treaty there will be no land to agree upon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stop I can only get so horny, there you go exciting me with a good time again

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this illustration sums up Russian invasion perfectly.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Dance, dance for the figure is easy,
          >The tune is catching and will not stop;
          >Dance till the stars come down from the rafters;
          >Dance, dance, dance till you drop.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia Annexes territory
      >no one recognizes it as Russian territory
      >Ukraine continues fighting
      Now what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine only keeps fighting because of the gargantuan support of the US. As hilarious as the Russian military fuckups are, the eventual winner of a pure 1v1 conflict is very clear. The Russians will want to make supporting Ukraine more effort than it's worth

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Russians will want to make supporting Ukraine more effort than it's worth
          They don't have the ability to do that to the US.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The US leadership has voters to answer to, Putin only has to satisfy a couple thousand oligarchs. And the US president doesn't face a 9mm punishment for failure. Their situations are very different

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The support for Ukraine has overwhelming popular and bipartisan support in the US. They're not going to it

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Only the far left and right in the US don't support Ukraine. A vocal minority of retards sure but Putin shouldn't get his hopes up on that being his only out. lmao

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Voter support for Ukraine is overwhelming. If anything Americans polled don't think enough is being done, and while not quite a plurality wants Americans in-situ, a solid majority want a US-enforced no-fly zone. If the forlorn hope of Russia is Americans will get tired of seeing them die, they better start making funeral arrangements.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The numbers are also going up over time even as Ukraine leaves the primary news cycle and only comes up each time a Russian war crime is revealed. If anything, "Ukraine should get support" is being treated like a matter of fact by the U.S. public.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a solid majority want a US-enforced no-fly zone
                I will caution that a TON of people have no idea what this actually means. They think a "no-fly zone" is just some sort of legal thing that gets declared, not "US fighters try to shoot down any Russian planes". So I'd suggest treating the real educated response to this question as more
                >and while not quite a plurality wants Americans in-situ
                Because everyone grasps boots on the ground and the possible escalation/costs from there.

                Still that said
                >If the forlorn hope of Russia is Americans will get tired of seeing them die, they better start making funeral arrangements.
                Yeah, support is very popular here and will almost certainly remain so indefinitely at the current pace. The amount of money being spent is diddly squat vs Afghanistan or Iraq and for zero direct American blood as well, though support even for that is slow rising. People are rediscovering how being on the side of a Good War for Good People who actually deeply desire democracy, freedom and a better life is actually pretty nice, they don't all have to be shitty retarded ones. Europe might maybe fray (but big victories reduce that), but American support is going nowhere and of course Eastern Europe is cheering it on too.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It helps the Ukrainians a lot that they're seen as brave, and that the Russians have behaved like an army of bandits. Americans hate people they see as lazy or cowardly. This isn't a new phenomenon - if you go back to WW2 the US Army had to publish propaganda playing up the contributions France was making to the war effort because there was a lot of potentially dangerous tension with the locals.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It helps the Ukrainians a lot that they're seen as brave, and that the Russians have behaved like an army of bandits. Americans hate people they see as lazy or cowardly. This isn't a new phenomenon - if you go back to WW2 the US Army had to publish propaganda playing up the contributions France was making to the war effort because there was a lot of potentially dangerous tension with the locals.
                Right, this is literally as close to The Good War as it gets in world history. A completely innocent underdog country that just wanted freedom from authoritarian corruption, managed to grab it by its own hands, then stubbornly has worked at it despite getting unilaterally attacked and invaded by a former-superpower that is itself an evil kleptocracy shithole, and then they tried to destroy them entirely, but the country managed to hold on against all odds. And since then invading country has literally been engaging in mass rape, murder, deportation, slavery etc etc. Purposefully bombing/shelling children and civilian shelters. Defending country's leadership with zero military experience, literally former comedian, choosing to stay not flee, to put his life and that of his family's on the line along with his government.

                How much more fucking made-for-movies could you get? If we described this plot 10 years ago people would call it unrealistic, too stereotyped and rah-rah West to be believable!! We know Russians have truly drunk the koolaid krokadil repeatedly but just another example of it if they think for a fucking second the PR has gone anything but horribly hilariously against them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically russian and far-right propaganda says that hundreds of russians were deported or killed in Ukraine and that Nato had setup rocket sites on the border of russia
                Not even speaking about 2014, apparently that was a cia nazi psyop lmao
                I was fucking laughing when I heard this

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russians always accuse you of what they themselves are doing. This goes back to the Empire.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The sad thing is there are people who believe that, plus conspiracy with garden gnomes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, Russia's humiliation has certainly convinced me that the garden gnomes that dominate Hollywood and the media do so purely for the benefit of Americans

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ooooh, i see you trying to divert attention again anon, told you in the other thread that you should go to pol when you feel the itch of bumbling about schizo shit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                On /chug/ I've read that Ukraine has been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbass ever since 2014 to genocide Russians.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes Im talking about just that, imagine believing this shit
                Are democrats killing republicans or what?
                Now obviously the police in the us are targeting minorities cause some are retarded

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >as close to The Good War as it gets in world history.
                Winter war.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's no coincidence this war has been compared to the Winter War a lot.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've heard someone (Strelkov, perhaps?) compare it to the Italian invasion of Greece and find it weirdly fitting

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                With the russian invasion of finland they thought the former reds (from the finnish civil war) would rise up against the finnish army and gov. also finland had some simmering language disputes. but all that just disappeared overnight when russia invaded.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This song is THE theme of this war for me personally.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                WW3 will be China, Russia and Iran as axis but all 3 will be Italy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im also feeling some polish soviet war vibes,

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine is a corrupt shithole and many Americans feel this way. You sound like a lefty gay. Muh democracy lmao.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Democracy just means "pro-US and may become a democracy at some point"

                Taiwan and South Korea were military juntas at the time when we were defending them because of "democracy." Learn how this shit works.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a solid majority want a US-enforced no-fly zone

                That would actually improve Russian's position in the air.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wouldn't be enforced against Ukraine, just Russia. It's not a call for "no one flies," just "Russians don't fly."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Meanwhile just the other day Russia announced they'd conducted 22 sorties over a 24 hour period. Russian operational constraints are already practically imposing a no fly zone on themselves without the need for anyone to impose a formal one on them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Russians will want to make supporting Ukraine more effort than it's worth
          The US is getting to weaken a longtime enemy without using their own troops. There's zero reason for them to give a shit what's happening in Europe with their energy market, especially since it helps the US financially.

          Plus European governments would want to continue helping Ukraine to prevent massive refugee crisis in each of their countries as Ukrainians flee. Creates an incentive for them to have a stabilized Ukraine which in turn means supporting them with weapons.

          The only one needing to worry about whether Ukraine is worth it is Putin.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The economy is global. If Europe shuts down production as a result of spiking energy costs, we will enter a global recession.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Good thing the global recession is already here then

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not yet it's not. Just you wait.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Russians will want to make supporting Ukraine more effort than it's worth
          The only way for Russia to do this is for them to surrender unconditionally and give up their military. Once Russia is no longer a belligerent threat to the civilized world, supporting Ukraine will no longer be worth it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Things that will never happen.

            Well, expect this war to last 10 years then and end up with chemical weapons and nukes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >make supporting Ukraine more effort than it's worth
          If Putin wants a war of attrition with the west, he's already lost. We're sending out Cold War relics and shit we can stand to lose, and they're still getting pushed back. Only way it wouldn't be worth is to the US is if Russia as a state collapses.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We're sending out Cold War relics
            So are the Russians. The difference is it's all they have in meaningful numbers and they CAN'T afford to lose it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gargantuan support
          Fucking lol
          The us has provided a total of $50 billion in support, sounds like a lot until you consider they spend that amount on their own military in 25 days

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and that tiny little drop of support can melt the 2. largest army in earth. What on earth america arm itself for, some alien invasion?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The US built its military to fight and win no less than 2 wars at once while simultaneously assuming Ivan and Chang actually have the capabilities they claim to and thus gearing itself to overmatch those imaginary capabilities.

              Basically what happened is the US actually took its military extremely seriously from the bottom up and Ivan merely pretended to.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why are you a furry though?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t make fun of my wife

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its more looking down than any malice, im merely disappointed

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She’s not all that furry

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                too furry already, its either no animal features, or into the trash it goes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Looks less than 50%, roughly around Aisha Clan-Clan levels. Acceptable.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't even factor that this is all old shit sitting in storage, and we aren't even in a war economy or making shitloads of new shit to send. Even if that dollar amount was for shit we procured this year, it's like 5% of our budget. Russians genuinely can not fathom the amount we spend on defense each year, and how poor they truly are.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What are they gonna do about it? Double invade Ukraine? Suck back the gas? Sanction the west? Muh noooooks?

          Russia played it's cards.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I is of waiting for day to come
        >launch BANAN-1 through 10
        >enough monkeying around

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >west into stopping support for Ukraine
      At this point, Ukraine already received enough weapons to buttfuck Russia.
      Daily reminder that they were able to hold back the vatniks before they got any western weapon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They still need a lot of ammunition and also a constant supply of money. They can't even pay for a third of the states expenses with the taxes they get now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with the spirit of your post, but Ukrainians have been getting military assistance since Trump was president.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That seems counterintuitive considering Russia just donated a brigades worth of equipment to Ukraine.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OOOOOK OOOOOOK IMMA NOOOOOOK NOOOOOOOOK
    >*throws feces*

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >мoя мoнкe...
      >хapькoв...

      >кypильщик cнoвa нaнec yдap
      >ceгoдня мы пoтepяли 15 cклaдoв

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the most memetic ending to this would be shoigu offing putin in his putinbunker I think

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, it must be final warning o'clock again.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mooobilization? *hopeful girkin noises*

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm torn between wanting them to mobilise and continue like this.

      On one hand, I want Ukraine to utterly annihilate them, but on the other hand I want cunts from Moscow and from St Petersburg who have been the entire time "I don't care about politics" get drafted and blown to pieces.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, I pray for the mobilizing of those IR cocksuckers also.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mooobilization
      checked and would full on revolt happened if he try it. i know the communist havent gone away they've been silences for a while. be wild if we got a civil war........which would be part of the course for russia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can't afford to, or have enough equipment for that.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good ol' "final Russian warning" time kek.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nukes for everyone! Do it you cowards!

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >state security council

    What's the point of this group if the entire war was a uniltaral move by Putin himself?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you get invited it's an early warning you might fall from a hospital window

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's a show. Only Putin decides whats up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To get everyone that matters to sign a pact in blood, reducing their potential to defect to the west.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To deflect responsibility for the shitshow that is about to ensue.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    THEY'RE GONNA PULL OUT
    THEY'RE GONNA POOOL OOOOOUUUUTTTT
    FALLLLL BAAAACK

    FAAAAAAALLLLLLL BAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCKKKK

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At what point does Russian military leadership get tired of his shit, and Putin overdoses on novichock while falling out a window?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He is hiding in a bunker, nobody can get to him.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah lets say someone gives him underwear of death or arrests. It will absolutely and for good reason be seen as treason, whoever takes power afterwards wont be kind to them
      >but surely they themselves will take power
      Provided they have political ambitions, and then there is the political sphere that has had a good life under putin and will want to secure that and the would be usurper is unreliable.
      That is not even accounting for the public.
      Shit aint happening.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    come on pussy, launch them

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin never backs down, he only doubles and triples down. Mobilization unlikely, he would not take such steps without prooaganda laying the groundwork, which it has not. Nukes are off the table for sure, also goes against narrative.

    He will likely demand that the front be stabilized by all available means and stall out until winter, perhaps with phoney "peace talks" which is when he hopes Eurooe will freeze and bring Ukraine to the negotiating table for real.

    t. Russian

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going to be real, I don't think he's had an actual plan since the Kiev front collapsed. It's just desperate damage control at this point.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Putin was eager to end the war back in March. All the prooaganda outlets called the talks in Turkey a good move. I'm pretty sure he retreated from Kiev thinking that the war is basically over. Aand then Bucha happened and Ukraine refused any further negotiations

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Putin was eager to end the war back in March. All the prooaganda outlets called the talks in Turkey a good move. I'm pretty sure he retreated from Kiev thinking that the war is basically over.
          LOLWUT

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm wondering what the deal is with atrocities in areas re-taken by ukraine ?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He will announce that if ukraine dont stop their rapid advancement, he will be forced to act in response. A vague threat, a sentence about the brave heroes, and goes back to his bunker.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He will likely demand that the front be stabilized

      That's the pickle, ain't? Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am confident that Putin continues to believe that he is in total control, and that the front will be stabilized as he wills it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's probably not wrong. They took the Russians by surprise, but ultimately the Russians still have more tanks, artillery and planes than the Ukrainians.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where do they have them? In the far east if Siberia?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but ultimately the Russians still have more tanks, artillery and planes than the Ukrainians
            Do they have more?
            Yes, they do, but they can't just redirect all of their forces into Ukraine. That would literally leave all of theirs borders unprotected, their emergency forces and etc etc, there are a ton of things that they need to garrison or have the military do some stuff.
            They are already using all available forces of their army.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is that based on? Some headlines you've been reading for garden gnomenews.com?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ria and tass, so yeah

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm convinced he wants to use a nuke to stop the ukrainian advance in its tracks and prevent the total collapse of the russian army.

        Let's see if his generals can talk some sense into him

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If Russia uses a Nuke, its the end of Russia. At the least, NATO launches a regime change operation immeadietly, at most, its a Nuclear strike to crush Russia entirely

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If the West launches a decapitation strike on Russia, it is nuclear war. Nobody will care how it started because everyone will be starving and attempting to survive.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The most Russia would do is to use a tactical nuclear warhead, not an ICBM. NATO would employ a conventional horizontal response. Ship launches the nuclear warhead? Ship gets deleted, and we'll sink any Russian ship that wanders near Ukraine. Air launched nuke? Immediate imposition of a no-fly zone over Ukraine, Russian SAMs get deleted. Launched from Russian territory via cruise missile? Special missile operation hitting only the launch facility. Use of a nuke will arguably trigger Article 5, so Russia would only use a very low yield warhead.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The question of "what would they even nuke?" is also one no one bothers to ask. An army in the field? They don't have the situational awareness for that. Kyiv? Odessa? This would start a full-scale retaliation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in general, it's the losing side that decides when the war is over

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putin never backs down, he only doubles and triples down

      More than 6 months into what was suppose to be a three-day special operation, I think the man is definitely a degenerate gambler who doesn't care about the sunk cost fallacy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Eurooe will freeze
      Do Russians actually believe this?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Many really do. A surprising anount don't, but I am among a lot of anti-Putin people

        >Putin was eager to end the war back in March. All the prooaganda outlets called the talks in Turkey a good move. I'm pretty sure he retreated from Kiev thinking that the war is basically over.
        LOLWUT

        It's true. There was a real atmosphere of finality in the media. If Mariupol had fallen quicker and the Bucha massacre hadn't happened, I believe the war would be over

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stay safe dude.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you need to get the fuck out of that trainwreck man

            Thank you. I know. I have already arranged to be able to leave or dodge the draft if things get really bad. I am working on being able to bring my mother and girlfriend, immigration isnt a quick process, and people have roots they dont want to rip off.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I feel you. Being told "just leave lol" when it's your home - well, it's not so simple, besides the actual physical logistics of the damn thing. I wouldn't want people saying that to me if our cunt governor started a war with Canada or something.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm glad some people understand!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know it will be hard, but I wish you and yours speed and safety in escape.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you need to get the fuck out of that trainwreck man

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He will likely demand that the front be stabilized by all available means and stall out until winter, perhaps with phoney "peace talks" which is when he hopes Eurooe will freeze and bring Ukraine to the negotiating table for real.
      If this is actually his plan, the war's already over. The forces around Kharkiv are in rout (not a surprise, considering they're mostly smashed BTGs, press-ganged fifth columnists, and riot cops). The forces around Kherson are holding up better, but losing ground and cut off. The "3rd corps" is likely to become the third corpse, considering it's mostly tired old men and criminals and undermanned/untrained besides that.

      Ukraine and its backers - besides France - are just outright ignoring calls for negotiation. And that makes sense. Why pause to talk when every day improves your position? If you need to negotiate, it behooves you to do so from a position of maximum strength, especially with an untrustworthy partner. And it would seem - at least for now - that Ukraine has no need to negotiate. As for Europe freezing - not likely. This is forecast to be a warm winter, and European NG stocks are already 80% full, with other emergency measures in play to lessen the impact of energy price spikes. That's not touching on more radical measures - price caps or say, seizing the ~300 bln USD Russian overseas reserves currently frozen as war booty and using it to cushion any energy unrest.

      Then there's other signs of smoke. Kazakhstan getting restless again. Kadyrov seems to be looking for an exit. Luka won't have Russian buddies to prop him up (they're needed elsewhere) and his army and people both hate his fucking guts. And the Turkroaches are scuttling around Syria again.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukraine and its backers - besides France - are just outright ignoring calls for negotiation.
        Fucking Macron, go back to fuck your old hag of a wife and stop further decridibilizing us.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, he is doing a very unpleasent but very necessary job
          Negotiations have more goals than to just actually reach an agreement
          >find out what the terrorists want
          >maybe get some intel
          >show the terrorist that he has a diplomatic way out with still so collateral damage can be minimized etc

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Keep dreaming. This war is going to last 10 years. Industrialized wars have a way to last for a very long time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this post feels like it wants a few (you). Here you go anon, reply with your comment you brewed up, imagine I wrote the perfect seething response you waited for.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia as a state won't exist in 10 years at this rate.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then I advise you to buy a house in Argentina or New Zeland.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I will agree with you that industrialized nations historically have very, very consistently defeated expectations of their ability to endure war. Even primitive chimp-tier nations have. But Russia does not currently have a way to replenish the arms and men it's losing, they're facing being physically forced back into their own borders no matter their will.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't forget the Bongs have Truss in charge now. The woman who tried to be The Iron Lady at the start of the war and fully backed wiping out Russia from Ukraine. Whether she will be like that now after she killed the Queen it remains to be seen. Not the Iron Lady... Bronze Lady? Copper Lady? Tin Lady?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Queenslayer

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There can only be one powerful woman!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you reminded me of this

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good series that. I approve.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I feel like both the UK and the US owe Russia a 'thank-you' for discrediting their respective far-right and leftoid political figures. Since the war kicked off and their Russian drone programming kicked in, they've burned their credibility like a chink with a cig in a foam factory.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tungsten Truss

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NO NEGOTIATION.

        Wipe out the Russian occupier in Ukraine and FORCE the terms on the defeated enemy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It seems unlikely there will be a negotiated peace, at the current pace. Russia will be served terms and will need to accept them. The only question is how humiliating they'll be.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine will demand Crimea. They'll move heaven and earth to get it, one way or another.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Crimea is easy defend.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Crimea is easy to besiege, too, and the Black Sea Fleet is effectively done as a relevant entity. It seems likely that return of Crimea will be a condition for peace and the lifting of sanctions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So basically he's going to double down without any realistic options to double down. I'm thinking he's more than capable of more stupidity after invading Ukraine without a plan.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Putin is actually a reasonable man. He made a huge mistake starting the invasion, but every choice after that has been reasonable, if you consider the following limitations: he can't mobilize, he can't back down and he can't nook. He is a rational man that is grasping at straws and hoping for a miracle, because he fucked up so badly at a crucial point

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He can back down, as history shows us

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ukrsine will accept nothing but the total withdrawal from Ukraine. If you think Putin can survive that politically, well you're wrong, to put it lightly

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know but theoretically he can withdraw troops

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How the fuck is he gonna stabilize the front? Its falling apart faster than PrepHole can keep up with, what are they going to do, wait until the Ukies get tired?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not a military expert, bit a withdrawal from Kharkov oblast could be one solution. Alternatively, counteratrack with all forces available (guaranteed failure yes), to buy time to strip other fronts of troops for a real counterattack. Very risky and desoarate, but thry could try it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The forces they could strip are currently attempting to hold Kherson (and failing), and are unable to rapidly redeploy due to the loss of all bridges in the region as well as the consistent destruction of multiple logistics hubs. They also would suffer air harassment because they've lost local air superiority.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It takes time and a lot of logistic effort to redeploy forces. Russia BTGs generally lack in the logistic department and it took months for them to be able to adequately establish their supply lines. If they just redeploy willy nilly then it's going to cause an unholy mess.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He will likely demand that the front be stabilized by all available means
      As if they haven't been trying already? They don't have the troops to do that, they have used all their press ganged militia as cannon fodder and now expect them to hold the ground their regular forces managed to take. It isn't going to happen.
      If this total collapse is true, then it's the result of the last 6 months of troops being treated like shit and not rotated out, and Ukraine wearing down every component of the Russian army.
      Remember the DPR guy people had bought crutches for? That's who is left.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putin never backs down, he only doubles and triples down.
      Precisely why I fucking hate "strongman" types. You bank so much of your credibility on being infallible that anything even resembling a defeat has to be avoided at all costs, you then bank everything else you have on a victory and when that fails you are extra fucked.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's extremely committed to his objectives, but only idiots never back down under any circumstances, and Putin is not an idiot. He has backed down several times, like when Turkey shot down a Russian jet, and even direct combat between Russian and American forces in Syria.

      https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/08/vladimir-putin-backs-down-russia-ukraine/

      I agree with everything else you're predicting, but it's hyberbole to say he never backs down.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What even are his objectives anymore? Is there a statement out?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but probably it is still securing Crimea and Donetsk. Crimea ensure domination position on the Black Sea. Donetsk offers protection of the Russian Caucasus and has untapped industrial potential.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I get the impression that long term Russia still has the "maximalist" objective in mind of total domination in Ukraine. They're hoping they can draw things out long enough, especially over the winter, that western resolve weakens and support dries up. To be honest, if I was in Putin's position I'd figure it's at least worth a try to see if the winter can turn the situation around. If it's clear the situation is still hopeless I'd wreck shit enough to motivate them to end it by negotiation. Then push for some token concessions like no NATO membership and constitutional protection of the Russian minority, "special denazification military operation" can then be called a success, withdraw. It would look weak internationally, but international status is already wrecked anyway, and internally I control the narrative so that can be managed too.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It wont' happen, the European planning assumptions are at least two years. Maybe in three or four years, if Russia can maintain a rising tempo and obviously modernise its armed forces that rapidly.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody will agree on "No NATO" thing because that would be just a prelude for the new invasion decade down the line.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It just has to be "no NATO" in official terms, Ukranian sovereignty could still be protected by a Taiwan-like "tactical ambiguity" where the US and other countries guarantee them in all ways short of an outright declaration. Even keeping Ukraine pre-emptively stocked up and trained would be more than enough to discourage Russia trying again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Official terms or not, Russia has shown to be abusing every single obscure agreement hole, so they would be demanding that every single NATO equipment withdrawn from ukraine in 5 years or less.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You may be right, we'll just have to see how strong Russia's hand actually is when it finally comes to the table.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Remember that time Ukraine gave up a giant amount of Nukes in exchange for guarantees of being never invaded by Russia?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. Ukraine is going to restart its nuclear program.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair at the time Russian revanchist imperialism wasn't their foremost concern. They mainly did that for aid and a promise that the west won't outright bully them economically by barring them from markets, now that they're on their own and not part of big ol' Russia anymore.

                So to say they got nothing out of Budapest isn't entirely accurate. Not to say it was a good deal in the long run but remember at the time, they thought post-USSR Russia was a closer friend than the west and their main problem was an economic shitshow

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine giving up NATO equipment, ever

                FUCK NO. Russia cannot be trusted, ever.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is in no place to make any demands right now, and it looks like their position will drastically worsen in the near future.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In March they probably could have argued that successfully. Now, I think this war continues until either Crimea returns to Ukraine or Ukraine is defeated. I know which side my money would be on.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I agree that it seems like Russia wants to play their hand out, but I think those are extremely unrealistic expectations. Someone already mentioned it - Europe is planning for at least 2 years of fuel disruption. After that, so many secondary solutions come online that even that thorn in the junior partner's side will be gone. Russia's perfidy leading up to this war makes 'no NATO' a likely non-starter. The Russian minority - what's left of it, because most of the fighting age men are dead or crippled now per their own claims - will likely face forced deportation.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >forced deportation.
              One can only hope. I hate leaving problems to fester. It may look mean but it's clearly warranted, enough blood has been spilled that the winner shouldn't be entitled to a half assed victory that just kicks the can down the road. Russians can go live in Russia, enough of this weasely fifth column refugee soft invasion bullshit
              >But I lived here since before the dinosaurs and-
              Don't care. The situation has changed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >even direct combat between Russian and American forces in Syria.
        The didn't back down, they were butchered and had to be scraped up by their bros while Americans literally watched and laughed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With the event in Syria with Wagner Group, didn't he just refuse to acknowledge it and hurl his Wagners under the bus? I wouldn't really call that backing down. It's more like picking your battles and not standing up to begin with. But it's waaay too late for that to be applicable here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Eurooe will freeze
      That ain't happening, lad, at least not for another year.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Better yet, for the petroleum products that Europe simply can't replace, guess who's gonna fill the void that's left now that Russia is effectively shut out the European market (both by its own hand and by nations not wanting to deal with a bunch of vatniks). That's right, the Ukrainians.
        Those salo-munchers are going to be positively swimming in petroleumbux, once they start getting some pipeline projects rolling.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >at least not for another year
        If it does not happen during the next winter it wont happen at all. New LNG terminals are being build fast, the new areas inside Europe are being charted for shale gas, new pipelines are being build to africa/middle-east, and alternative energy solutions are being planned and build.
        A year from now Europe will be completely independent from russian resources, unless Russian government collapses and the next one begs being "modernized" by EU.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >unless Russian government collapses and the next one begs being "modernized" by EU.
          Fffffuck that. I'm going to be categorically opposed to that, and I'll be as vocal about my dissent as possible.
          They had their fucking chance and they spat in our face. In fact, they've been given multiple, golden chances to act like a normal, non-moron country, and refused every time. Now they get the north korea treatment.

          They can ask the chinese if they want someone to infiltrate and backstab at the first occasion.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They won't be ready until 2026.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            According to whom? Pipes take a bit time indeed, but the first terminals will be completed by christmas at his rate.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FSRUs are being put in place as we speak. Its not the cheapest way of doing it but we don't need the cheapest right now. The 20 terminals were planned when the price of gas was obviously much lower. What do we know about markets and motivation?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kremlin.ru
    >The Head of State held an operational meeting with permanent members of the Security Council via videoconference.
    >Vladimir Putin: Dear colleagues, good afternoon!
    >We have a very important issue today – providing housing for servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other troops, military formations and bodies.
    >(mention of latest economic forum, something about grain and fertilizer supply)
    >Let's get down to the main topic.
    ><…>

    why does official transcript cut off like that
    WHY OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT CUT OFF LIKE THAT

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Let's get down to the main topic.
      ><WHERE IS MAH BANAAAAAN!>

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They always do that. Just wait a day or two. I got it bookmarked.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What would nato do if he nuked kiev?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd be extremely happy as this war, and russia is basically over, and europe can live peacefully until those godless belgians rise up

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine the aussies shitposting and left unchecked from an all out nuclear exchange.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would NATO countries target each other? Would they seriously do that just at the mere chance of coming out on top after the nuclear winter?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nuke only Birmingham and London
          OH COME ON
          There's pakis everywhere here we need more than that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AUSTRALIA SUPER POWER 2 WEEKS

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            morons WILL take aussie lands

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Those were moron lands to begin with, cunt.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gringos bomb themselves
          >we inherit the Earth
          hue

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nuclear winter means no lawns to mow
            >no gringos means no one to pay for your nuclear snow removal side-gig, either
            Dios mio!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably just nuke Russia because a nuclear war is inevitable at that point and we lose less people if we strike first.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no way there wouldn't be extremely heavy repercussions if they did.
      I'm hoping Putin falls out of a window if he demands the use of nukes

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont think nato would nuke russia but they would defenetely invade them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then NATO would get nuked, NATO nukes back, and everybody on the north continent ends up dead or starving.

        Good end.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And african morons will rule this world, unfathomably based

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and then a few million years later we do it all over again

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            KARABOĞA VICTORY

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That would spell the end of MAD and only lead to an increase in the use of nukes down the line. A nuclear attack absolutely merits a nuclear response even if it's scope is limited to a single city.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NATO could easily destroy Russia without using nukes so they might stick to conventional weapons as long as Russia hasn't nuked a NATO country yet.
          That would mean a chance to avoid MAD while keeping the threat real.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NATO v Russia sure. What about India v Pakistan and/or China? North Korea v South Korea? China v Taiwan/US? Israel v Iran?
            Plenty of other conflicts in the future that could get very ugly very quickly if the precedence firmly established that using nuclear weapons doesn't automatically translate into a nuclear response.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably nothing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia's only hope is to nuke everything so everyone is on a level playing field again.

      Assuming Russia's nukes work that is.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolute minimum: nuclear attack on all Russian surface vessels, destroying them. The Russian submarine fleet (yes, all of it) is also sunk. Then follow demands of complete capitulation with an ultimatum of a full launch.

      The more likely scenario - because once the nukes come out, you wanna be first in line - would be a zero-warning full launch against Russia by the United States and United Kingdom.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And I think the second scenario especially likely BECAUSE Russia's arsenal is so large AND we have so little idea how much of it still functions. You want to reduce the chance of it being a factor as close to zero as possible as soon as possible, before the Russians decide that's what you're thinking and full-launch on you to prevent it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US, UK, and China all nuke Russia. (Ukraine is under China's "nuclear umbrella.") I do not think Russia will nuke Ukraine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia would cease to exist. Even China/North Korea/Iran would go against them at that point.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mein Putler...Shoigu...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BRINGEN SIE MIR BANAN! BANAN! BANAN!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shit german

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you as PrepHole? It is filled with noguns and armchairs memelords. You will find no general here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Listen here, noob, I've have overseen many military operations back in arma2 days

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mobilize? GIRKIN IS ERECT

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin is gathering them to remove his power level seals.
    >Heh, you are making me use 10% of my power

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arent russians the fucking neonazis?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you fail history class?
        Then again just like every "Nazi" group it is just using it as a look, because Hugo boss is always cool.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What history class? Russians are the nazis now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never thought that i will have to use more power of the banan tailed monke inside me, shogu remove the second seal

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GIVE ME WHAT I WANT OR I'LL... I-I'LL SOIL MYSELF!!!!

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have a horse in this race but part of me wants Putin to nuke the Ukrainian forces just to wipe the Reddit tier smugness from this board. It's so fucking cringe how people get so emotionally invested in a war that doesn't concern them at all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Telling Russia that it should stop its super power LARP is very much a concern for the world. They've been a fucking thorn in everyone's side for the last few decades and need to be taken down a peck for everyone's good. So don't give me a fucking "doesn't concern myself" when I have to share a continent with these retards.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Telling Russia that it should stop its super power LARP is very much a concern for the world. They've been a fucking thorn in everyone's side for the last few decades and need to be taken down a peck for everyone's good. So don't give me a fucking "doesn't concern myself" when I have to share a continent with these retards.
        Wait, is this comment from 1680, 1750, 1800, 1910, what? I need some fucking context here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How FUCKING RETARDED gay ARE YOU
      Do you see the fucking prices chudshitter? Go fucking starve retard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      go back to /chug/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that doesn't concern them at all
      Russia in control of Ukraine does concern me though. It gives them monopoly over gas, oil and xenon gas. This means they strangle European nations with demands.
      >b-b-but that isn't USA!
      And that means prices radically change from parts, imports and shit the US needs
      >w-well we'll get them from elsewhere
      Ukraine's food supplies 2nd and 3rd world nations which supply the resources and sweatshop workers to produce those components which means prices go up
      >W-W-WELL WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN
      Except Russia controls xenon gas which is used to make chip sets. Used for military hardware.

      In short, Russia with Ukraine back under them, a Ukraine which was always the 'brains' and industrial might of USSR, would be effectively world changing. It would also mean USA couldn't ignore Russia in the military sense. Remember Obama pulled troops out of European bases and months later Putin invades in 2014. Russia with Ukraine would start eyeing up the Baltics and Gotland
      >b-b-but NATO
      Russia with Ukraine backing up their military production, in 10-15 years, could produce enough hardware to rush it and this time NOT fuck it up by expecting no resistance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The funniest thing about this stage of the war is even you vatniks are ashamed to admit what you really are now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >war that doesn't concern them at all.
      Where do you think you are? Did you not see all shitposting and cheerleading during the hot part of the Syrian war? This war is 10x more relevant to the lives of the average westerner or American than Syria.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have a horse cock in your face

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uh oh, frens I think there might be SOME panic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what is that torture thing they imply? isnt that a russian tactic, to use fear?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Simple, whatever Russians accuse you of is exactly what they are doing

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians have literal subhuman intelligence, they can not actually conceive that others don't stoop to there level of squalor and barbarism

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably trying to pin the blame on the enemy for the inevitable discovery of Russian torture basements in occupied territory.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians are the masters of projection.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When I read that at first I thought he meant Russians would be torturing those Americans. Idea he's promoting something as delusional as Russians being the victims is hilarious.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, I, Ivan from Idaho Oblast, wish to torture innocent civilians of Ukraine who have been given passport of Russia
      You heard here first!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >First serious defeat
      Kyiv already memory-holed, I guess

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no panic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope these two get tortured and slaughtered.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Refused to mobilize so that you have more equipment than soldiers
    >Still move equipment forward that can't be manned
    >Ukraine pushes forward and captures it
    >Now decide to mobilize men who won't have equipment

    The vast intellect of der monke

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Speaking of Girkin, has he doomposted yet today?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Implying his doomposting ever ended

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > could of

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >could of
          Could HAVE, you fucking dunce.

          >how to spot a newfag

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            jokes on (you), the reply was rigged from the start

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >could of
        Could HAVE, you fucking dunce.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't panic, the next wave of men will be sent in shortly. We have borrowed tanks from the North Koreans and manned them with Syrian super-soldiers. Everything will be fine.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Partial mobilization of the poorer oblasts. Might start sending in their conscripts too.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not worried, Guirkine will undermine the ukranian nazi government and Kiev will fall like a roten fruit anytime soon.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    T. Baltic fag

    We heard that the how to say it government of St. Petersburg oblast or city have offiacly contacted russian Duma to basecly force putin to step down from his possision as president and end this madness so to speak
    So in other words the local governments aren't happy with putin right now and there might be either a huge purge happening soon or xuilo will get mussolined

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no St Petersburg oblast, only Leningrad oblast.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Different anon, but some higher ups in St. Petersburg did petition the Duma to accuse Putin of treason.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's worth noticing that those who wrote the article aren't saying that attacking Ukraine was bad, they are actually saying that losing against them is. He would be replaced by someone willing to mobilize.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He would be replaced by someone willing to mobilize.
        Which would accomplish what? What tanks are they going to use? What trucks, what planes, what munitions? Who will train them - because the Russian Army's cadres are in battle right now and have faced either annihilation or crippling losses. How will it be paid for? Autarky is difficult and the Russian economy is not geared for it. You can't simply go 'we'll sell to China and India,' since India's literal ability to store more is approaching capacity and the chinks...well, they're backstabbing bugmen even to their friends, and not going to pay top dollar.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This, the Chinese are happy to stay neutral so to speak, and I think they enjoy being a larger superpower now than russia
          They would be stupid to engage deeper, hell I dobt even know if they would even supply the rus with weapons or supplies

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothingburger. That's just a bunch of municipal legislators from one of areas of DC2, like 7 people. Police already put up protocols on the "discrediting" of the army against them

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too late, the front already collapsed.
    Plus, what's Putin gonna do? Execute a ton of generals?
    All that's going to do is cause more chaos.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you guys fucked up, now fix it!

    Putinman probably

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sending instructors to fight is like eating seed grain, the grain you're supposed to plant for the next season. Starvation ensues.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So a special meeting for special operation? Ain't Putin a very special boy?

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >declare the entirety of Ukraine an inalienable, historical area of Russian territory
    >declare the existing government an invalid, secessionist Nazi regime
    >demand unconditional surrender, or that nuclear weapons will be deployed to bring the region back into compliance
    >any foreign forces entering the region on Ukraine's behalf will be subject to nuclear bombardment as well
    What's the response?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >okay monke
      >*gives f-16 to ukraine*

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From West, nothing. From Russia, a swift bullet to monkey man's face.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then China will take Taiwan, and eu countries will take on each other for past transgression like ww1 or ww2

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China can't take Taiwan dumbshit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck off retard, who said they can, I only said they would make the same plan, alert everyone that nukes will be used

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why can't Russians realise EU countries really don't have beef with each other?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, you are so wrong. There are 52 sovereign states in Europe, and you could drive in three hours and hear four or five languages spoken and encounter four or five countries that bitterly despise each other over things that happened centuries ago. The depth of the malice of Europe can never be measured. Hungarians cannot say Romania without spitting on the floor. Romanians says that Hungarian is a curse, and these are two members of the EU, enlightened. One should never underestimate the degree of division and bitterness in Europe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            im hungarian and those fuckers stole transilvania, of course im gonna be mad about them. However. I had to live around russians, so I hate them more, as I have personal experience with them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Romanian here, we don't care about Hungarians since we don't want anything else from them, we are just annoyed that they can't get over the past 🙂

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              fuck you though, acting all high and mighty, like you are better

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Call his bluff, no fly zone over Ukraine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine joins NATO

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why stop with Ukraine, might as well throw Eastern Europe and Alaska in there just to be sure?

      They are now Russian territory, every intervention there will be met with nooooks.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those places have nooks too, you nimrod.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They did this already. On day 1 they went "if anyone interferes they get the nukes." USA just told them that shit was automated and did whatever it wanted. Same is gonna happen here, no-one's gonna give a shit. If Russia decides to nuke Ukraine Moscow will be a smouldering pile of radioactive ash by the end of the day.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They actually more-or-less tried this. Ukraine's backers have called the nuclear bluff multiple times now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Putin actually makes an actionable nuclear threat instead of just posturing he and most of his inner circle will be dead of mysterious heart attacks within a week.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Putin were to launch nukes after a 7 month nationally embarassing conventional meat grinder of a conflic. It would mean the end of conventional war almost entirely and the adoption of nuclear first defense policy globally. When the big dogs make the rules clear as day "let me win or I nuke you" then the pretense of honorable conventional war is over. There is no reason to ever entertain non nuclear deterrents going forward. We'd see an era of nuclear proliferation unlike anything we've seen prior. Every nation with the capacity to make nukes builds them those that can't go looking to buy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's unironically time for Metal Gear, then.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. Russia's been following the metal gear playbook almost to the script of MGS1 for the last decade. Pooling all their money and tech into the STATUS weapons to gain overwhelming nuclear first strike capability while their conventional forces rot on the vine.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kojima flirts with being prophetic when he isn't being stunningly autistic

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's a fucking weirdo but he makes some surprisingly insightful points. Sometimes uncomfortably so.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That scene in MGS2 that predicts online tribalism is haunting in retrospect.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a fucking wild game that was, man.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This game came out in 2001 btw

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The internet was still in its infancy so we all thought he was a gibbering idiot. He tried to warn us and we didn't lsiten.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I always knew he was right.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tribalism happens a lot
                >it already happened on the internet before its release
                >"this will le happen on le internet"
                Wow, he looked at the past and at the time current state of the internet and he saw what everyone already knows....powerful.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Keklmao, dangerously based

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why aren't you normal?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol, no

            Even with their announced modernization surge they were spending 1.8% of the US nuclear weapons budget to keep 33% more weapons ready.

            All of their launch vehicles are at or past expiration date. The only new delivery vehicle they actually have somewhat developed is a liquid rocket, which implies their ability to manufacture this stuff has totally atrophied.

            Hell, the US arsenal is a mess and underfunded and it has 50+ times the funding.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is why the US and China would jointly launch a massive counter-force strike against Russia the minute they use even a tactical nuclear bomb.

        Frankly I would be surprised if the US has some fucking crazy classified missile defense stuff that may make a nuclear war winnable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        jesus christ

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There still is interest in pursue it, just not with the nation that used them. It's in everyone interest to make sure that nation no longer exists

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is why the US and China would jointly launch a massive counter-force strike against Russia the minute they use even a tactical nuclear bomb.

        Frankly I would be surprised if the US has some fucking crazy classified missile defense stuff that may make a nuclear war winnable.

        To be honest I don't think the dudes with the keys would launch, if it came down to it. Russians in general don't seem to want nuclear war.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The dudes with the keys would turn the key. I guaranty you. They are relentlessly trained for it. Interviews show always show them that they were willing to turn the key and have no regrets about it.

          It is the higher ups that are more less gun-ho. Almost all the nuclear close calls have involved the guys with the keys following orders to the letter only to be stopped by someone above them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is precisely why NATO would immediately retaliate with nuclear weapons in response to a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine. It may even come to the conclusion that the risk of Russia responding massively is just too high and the only option is a massive First Strike.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's why I don't think he will do it because his Chinese masters would be very pissed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if monke man launches anything nuclear, the entire world will make sure r*ssia wont be capable of launching even a fucking frisbee for the next 400 ears

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A nuke on Ukraine would mean a nuclear war soon. I don't think it would be immediate but it would start a process that couldn't be stopped where in a few days or weeks we're launching nukes at each other.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Counterforce First Strike by NATO.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just another mad emperor put down by his guards.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish a bro would.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >local man screams 'muh nooks' at sky again

      He's played that bluff so many fucking times that it's literally just background noise. If by some strange world the US intel community does 100% believe he's serious this time like how they called the invasion, US nuclear forces go to red alert, we politely remind Russia that Ukraine is under our, and China's ironically enough by treaty. nuclear umbrella, and the moment he launches a single nuke, the US unloads an entire counterforce strike with the fury of 1000 suns while our glowmorons magically find Putin dead from suicide via multiple 7.62 rounds to the back of the head.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FUHRER BUNKER 2022

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well well well, listen to those Russian propaganda whips now.
    https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1568310989149605888

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Stalin reference at the end
      Hoo boy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this was extremely informative, to see how they view this whole debackle. Not the words, but the faces when there was those group chats, and the body lanuage. They are grim, and sulking, uncertain about it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Those that panic should be shot
      There is no panic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >already coping about Kupyansk being irrelevant
      >also unironically claiming that they haven't lost because the ukes aren't in moscow yet
      Every glimpse of the official russian narrative I get actually shows that there's no difference between a random zigger shitposting on PrepHole and kremlin-approved propaganda

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how to do damage control on a narrative or cause that you are hopelessly committed to
        It checks out

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Moscow State University 'Professor'
      >"there is an enormous confidence in our victory"
      >"but in response, there should be real achievements"
      absolutely incredible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Start a war of imperialist aggression
      >Call for an anit-imperialist front
      >Quote Stalin like he is someone to be emulated

      Jesus fucking christ, if this was the main channel in my country i'd tear my fucking eyes out

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >We need to form an anti-imperialist alliance with North Korea and use their innovative new weapons that the West isn't familiar with to beat Ukraine.
      I have just launched a pair of Intercontinental Ballistic Sides.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There ain't nothing they can do to stop what's about to happen

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      look at him go

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm touched that the Russians thinking three months of training in Britain turns you into Sardaukar. It is true it does rain a lot, conditions are indeed primitive here and one could mistake some accents of the North East for throat singing perhaps. But honestly.

    Their sense of inferiority goes so deep that they don't even seem to realise themselves. Truth is there is nothing magical that can be achieved on Salisbury plain that cannot be done in any random field in Russia if there was a will to do it. And for people that bang on about Spetsnaz they still seem to have actual nightmares about the SAS and SBS. They are just SOF regiments, a tool for certain circumstances and I'm sure much of muchness with their counterparts in many other countries.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The sardaukar are actually named after ukrainian Serdyuks, and fremen language contains some ukrainian words (most importantly, "Sietch", from ukrainian Sich). Herbert's interest in anthropology of Ukraine, Chechnya and Russia is well known.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, well he got it all from Sabres of Paradise by Lesley Blanch. I was just using some shorthand really. I just find it odd, I wish we had that level of confidence in ourselves.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I fimd the balancing act of keeping the enemy laughably pathetic and unbelievably monstrous at the same time in propaganda really fascinating

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think the Russians are well aware that this operation was performed by Ukraine from the feeling that their sponsors needed to see some progress. In that sense the territorial gains are less important but the political gains are pretty devastating to Russia. Of course they can't say that but you hear it behind what they are saying, it does mean more weapons and it will mean better trained reserves over time.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mmmm, roasted raisins))

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin is a moderate, a politically correct, politician. He will replaced by someone much more hawkish.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Said by who?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone who has followed his career as a balancer of the factions in Russian politics.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Said by who?

      This is the offical statement of their goverment, aka putin says he isnt that bad. Thats why the russkies trying to force this idea, its not true.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      see

      >He would be replaced by someone willing to mobilize.
      Which would accomplish what? What tanks are they going to use? What trucks, what planes, what munitions? Who will train them - because the Russian Army's cadres are in battle right now and have faced either annihilation or crippling losses. How will it be paid for? Autarky is difficult and the Russian economy is not geared for it. You can't simply go 'we'll sell to China and India,' since India's literal ability to store more is approaching capacity and the chinks...well, they're backstabbing bugmen even to their friends, and not going to pay top dollar.

      . Hawkishness is no cure for reality.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He could authorize the use of persistent Novichok nerve gas on Ukrainian airfields to mess up with the Ukrainian air forces.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some problems with that idea:
      1.) Russia does not have a good grasp of where Ukraine is operating its planes out of. This is by design, because the Ukrainians are changing it constantly. Remember - Russian AWACS is almost nonexistent, and their air recon and sat recon are abysmal. This (especially the AWACS shortage) is also part of why their air defenses on the ground have badly underperformed.
      2.) Russia lacks the vehicles to deliver sufficient volumes of chemical agents. Most of their PGMs seem to be expended, judging by their increasingly heavy reliance on obsolescent missiles, or non-purpose-designed missiles (like ASHMs).
      3.) Chemical agents are not very reliable against a mobile target, which aircraft are. Ukraine operates mostly Soviet-era aircraft which need only the rudest airfields.
      4.) Making use of chemical weapons openly risks escalation with the Allies, who may decide it is sufficient justification to directly intervene (creating a Russian no-fly zone, for example). The US and UK have already vowed similar responses for similar acts of infamy, such as destroying the ZNPP.

      In short it's not possible, would not work if it was possible, and if it did work and was possible, it would worsen the situation for Russia, not improve it.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it has already happened: https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-09-09/437433-vladimir_putin_provel_soveschanie_s_postoyannymi_uchastnikami_soveta_bezopasnosti_rossii
    >The agenda of the President's meeting with the Security Council of the Russian Federation was busy. We also talked about the results of the Eastern Economic Forum, and about providing housing for military personnel, and about global problems with food. In particular, they discussed the supply of Russian grain to the poorest countries. We are ready to export 30 million tons, and if necessary, even more, the harvest allows. As for fertilizers, we can generally give them away free of charge to those who need them so urgently now. We are talking about the volumes that have accumulated in European ports.
    nothingburger

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With Russian collapse looking surer by the minute, I was wondering - who would summarily kill, even if they were wounded or tried to surrender to you? For me:

    1.) Any sort of police-type paramilitary.
    2.) Any Chechen.
    3.) Any member of an artillery crew.
    4.) Any identifiable SOF.
    5.) Anyone with prison tattoos.
    6.) Anyone accused by a civilian in a liberated area of misconduct, no investigation necessary.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, forgot a couple:
      7.) Anyone in Wagner Group
      8.) Any moron from Syria, the CAR, etc.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is not going to collapse, silly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He means the Russian front line, not the Russian state apparatus. I think.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's correct.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one, they are needed alive to exchange for Ukie PoWs. However, if this wasn't the case, then:
      1. FSB and GRU, after an extended questioning
      2. Anyone accused by a civilian in a liberated area of misconduct
      3. Collaborators, after a brief questioning
      4. Mercenaries

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not just off all of them without making categories up? Ask them to say PALYNYTSIA and if they can't say it right and don't produce a non-russian passport than badabing badaboom

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Panic? There is no panic.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They've fucked themselves into a corner at this point. They can't rattle the nuke sabre any more. It's at maximum rattle. We've asked them to fuck around and find out. They can either do that, or not. I don't think the West is unprepared.

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