I mean, yeah, I get that approach. But the point of a war, especially an offensive war, isn't exactly to just balance a budget but to make military progress on the ground. For that you need a unified strategy.
Silly Anon. Infants don't get vodka. It's way too expensive to waste on them while they're babies. They get an old vodka bottle filled with denatured wood spirits.
Only when they're old enough to physically overpower and rape the relative that's lowest on the totem pole. So by the time they're 5 or 6 basically, there's always some uncle or cousin that's on the verge of death by liver failure or some aunt crippled by late-stage AIDS and krokodil abuse to go to town on and get your rapist-game flexed.
It`s like a car salesman that wants to push you that shitbox that been sitting on the yard forever, of course he wont let you do a test-drive, no refunds sirs.
They don't do human wave attacks, that's the other guys. These days they've been going in hard on artillery and they can use the tanks now. Look at how Bakhmut is going, they're just shelling the piss out of everything.
doctrine is to send human waves >>air force doctrine is to be risk-averse >I don't get these people.
how ass-fricking stupid are you nafo homosexuals? >send multiple felon murderers in cannon charge >save expensive air-craft and pilot
its that fricking simple
how hard is this for your common-core, drug rotted brains?
Bear in mind that when Soviet Union collapsed, most of the high-tech parts (such as space and aviation technology) was left in UKRAINE.
Some of the stuff russian airforce uses, IT CAN NOT MAKE MORE. It's like literal lost tehnology for russians. They are merely maintaining what they have. Their own production capacity is small or in some cases, non-existant.
That's one of the reasons why Russia wanted to swallow Ukraine. If you try LARPing a superpower, it's really hard to do if you lost the majority of your production base. Ukraine was always the technological powerhouse of soviet union. That's why it's of strategic importance to get it back, if Russia wants to keep having their importance as a world superpower.
A good pilot takes 15 years to train and costs millions of dollars.
Plane itself can be impossible to make and maintain even if you have the money.
Air force = precious
Army = not so precious
The trouble is, is that they really don't have that many planes.
The lost of twenty of one type of plane would reduce their total numbers down by 15-45%, as they never make more than 200 or so in a single production run.
As for people, they can always get more people for next to nothing comparatively speaking, so it makes sense to use them more recklessly.
Another aspect I've heard mentioned elsewhere, is that the Russian airforce is considered the comfiest, most prestigious gig in the military, so all the oligarch sons and other influential-types that want to play soldier get in there. So losing pilots has a triple threat from the political ramifications of getting the relatives of important people killed.
>air force doctrine is to use le advanced meme jets as airborne artillery from the safety of Russian airspace and hope the missile lands on it's target
Fix'd. Turns out Cuckniks can't into SEAD
Has the US ever actually attempted SEAD against a competent force?
Could the US stomach the losses required for successful SEAD over s300/400?
This is legitimate defence analysis, Russian and Ukrainian failures point to how much people have underestimated how specialised American expertise is.
NATO needs to fill the gap immediately, procurement and training is being implemented already .
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/getting-serious-about-sead-european-air-forces-must-learn-failure-russian-air-force-over-ukraine/
Has the US ever actually attempted SEAD against a competent force?
Could the US stomach the losses required for successful SEAD over s300/400?
If America can’t do it nobody can but there is no such thing as impenetrable air defence, the spear is always at an advantage over any kind of shield.
American experience, training and sheer resources is just unmatched in this field, complete aerial supremacy.
Iraq's Air Defense network during the first gulf war was, on paper and in scale of defenses actually highly effective, that's why the American strikes had to be so tactically large scale.
Someone post the Webm of the Gulf War air attacks to show how fricking much the US had to dump on Iraq just to take out it's air defense. We're talking hundreds of cruise missiles, large scale use of Stealth fighters, and multiple organized attacks from all directions.
American SEAD masterclass in iraq sent shockwaves within russian defence circles because their air defence wasn’t that much better than iraq.
Iraq used russian systems which although not the latest was assumed to be very formidable.
Originally everyone gleefully sat with popcorn, expecting heavy american casualties.
All y'all other Anon's are missing the point. Think about what kind of people fly fighter jets. Russia is as corrupt and nepotistics as any country can be without being a banana republic satire construct. The people in the meat waves are from the ass-end of shitmypantsville oblast. The fighter pilots aren't. Being a pilot is perceived as cool and sexy - even in Russia they've seen topgun. The pilots are the cold war era military officer's brats and lower-upper class sycophants.
They quite literally don't send planes on suicide runs because they're piloted by the Russian equivalent to middle ages landholding lower nobility. I bet you none of the "pilots" out of whatever shitty pretend "fighter academy" institute come from a family outside the top 1% income demographic in Russia (which in Russia seemingly amounts to owning a functioning motorized vehicle and being paid currency instead of being paid in barter goods + whatever you can pilfer at work)
They don't do human wave attacks, that's the other guys. These days they've been going in hard on artillery and they can use the tanks now. Look at how Bakhmut is going, they're just shelling the piss out of everything.
>BBC is funded directly by the state and cannot be trusted.
So, Vanya, I know it seems impossible to you because you live in a primitive and debased condition, but for many governments, it is quite normal to fund news and information gathering services that are independent, honest and objective, since they do not risk or fear punishment for telling the truth.
I'm sorry you had to find out this way, I truly am.
And who should we be watching instead, Vanya? The RT?
Frick off, the BBC is the most trustworthy and honest news agency in the entire world. They've never given a false report. Not once.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Frick off, the BBC is the most trustworthy and honest news agency in the entire world. They've never given a false report. Not once.
They literally covered up decades of child rape and lied about the number of migrants coming in
1 year ago
Anonymous
Frick off, Nigel.
1 year ago
Anonymous
France is that way you wienersucker
1 year ago
Anonymous
>he fell for the mainstream media le bad meme >cites a few examples where the ball was dropped >out of tens of thousands of concrete reports
Pathetic.
1 year ago
sage
BBC is unreliable when protecting the British Government
They are the fricking gold standard for everything else
hope this helps, they can be both things at the same time, I know this can confuse the average playdoh eating moron that infests this site
The Ministry of Defense is not reliable, it’s propaganda from a British government mouthpiece. The MoD is funded directly by the state and cannot be trusted.
Why the frick are you talking about reliability of the BBC when it's the British Defence Intelligence making an analysis for public use with no attempt at masquerading it as anything but that? Where's the dishonesty? What's the gotcha by screeching about the BBC being propaganda? It's pretty fricking obvious it's a state source and it's advertized as such.
It came from reddit, the noncredibledefense sub, but it's a far superior name to the manufacturer's suggested callsign of "Checkmate", which doesn't follow NATO reporting standards and implies it will be somehow dominant in operations.
As much as I hate to agree with reddit, "Femboy" is a far more apt name.
They have a reputation for producing ok weapons for countries too poor or unwilling to buy western weapons.
This is why it's so rare for Russia to send anything modern to Ukraine, they don't want potential customers watching it fail.
The better question is why did the glowies have 2 IR mirrors bigger than Hubble laying around? What could they possibly want to point a high res / high magnifcation IR camera at earth for?
The jets themselves? I don't know. IIRC, Patriot was designed to move quickly, but didn't have anti-ECM. They were built to kill the cruise missiles they'd be launching.
>UKDJ calls out position >three days later, mysterious explosions at Acktubinsk >all but one -57 whacked >armatard resurrected to mindbreak once more >fire at Su-57 production line, tooling wrecked
if fricking only
The Ministry of Defense is not reliable, it’s propaganda from a British government mouthpiece. The MoD is funded directly by the state and cannot be trusted.
oh my god.. how did nobody tell me this before? how long have you all known the the ministry of defense was a part of the uk government??
My take-away from this:
Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information
FAPSI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAPSI
>FAPSI (Russian: ФAПCИ) or Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information (gayCI) (Russian: Фeдepaльнoe Aгeнтcтвo Пpaвитeльcтвeннoй Cвязи и Инфopмaции) was a Russian government agency, which was responsible for signal intelligence and security of governmental communications.
>The present-day FAPSI successor agencies are the relevant departments of the Federal Security Service (FSB) and Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) as well as the Special Communications Service of Russia (Spetssvyaz) (part of the Federal Protective Service of the Russian Federation) (FSO RF).
>FAPSI was created from the 8th Main Directorate (Government Communications) and 16th Directorate (Electronic Intelligence) of the KGB. It is the equivalent to the USA National Security Agency. On September 25, 1991, Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev dismantled the KGB into several independent departments. One of them became the Committee on Government Communications under the President of Soviet Union. On December 24, 1991 after the disbanding of the Soviet Union the organization became the Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information under the President of Russian Federation.
>On March 11, 2003 the agency was reorganized into the Service of Special Communications and Information (Spetssvyaz, Spetssviaz) (Russian: Cлyжбa cпeциaльнoй cвязи и инфopмaции) of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB RF). On August 7, 2004, Spetssviaz was incorporated as a structural sub unit of the Federal Protective Service of the Russian Federation (FSO RF).
I see the Russian have yet to master enclosed hangar technology, or even the technique of "throwing a fricking tarp over your incredibly expensive, utterly irreplaceable equipment so it doesn't turn up on *commercially available* satellite imagery, you stupid fricking vatniks."
>infantry doctrine is to send human waves
>air force doctrine is to be risk-averse
I don't get these people.
>people are worthless
>planes are expensive
here you go anon
I mean, yeah, I get that approach. But the point of a war, especially an offensive war, isn't exactly to just balance a budget but to make military progress on the ground. For that you need a unified strategy.
If you articulate your goals you can fail to meet them.
This, a plane takes a lot of money and resources to build, a mobik only needs a gopnik, a gopnitsa and a bottle of vodka.
Several bottles of Vodka. Have you seen how Vatniks drink?
two bottles, one for the child to suck on when they're born.
Silly Anon. Infants don't get vodka. It's way too expensive to waste on them while they're babies. They get an old vodka bottle filled with denatured wood spirits.
Only when they're old enough to physically overpower and rape the relative that's lowest on the totem pole. So by the time they're 5 or 6 basically, there's always some uncle or cousin that's on the verge of death by liver failure or some aunt crippled by late-stage AIDS and krokodil abuse to go to town on and get your rapist-game flexed.
It's simple anon, felons are disposable, FELONS are not disposable.
>r*ssians
>people
>vatniks and risk averse stealth planes
Those jets are just waiting for a smoking accident to happen.and stealth wont help with anything
Infantry have non-Whites with guns behind them to shoot them if they refuse to run into MG fire.
Air force has no barrier troops so they're free to dogfrick constantly.
It`s like a car salesman that wants to push you that shitbox that been sitting on the yard forever, of course he wont let you do a test-drive, no refunds sirs.
>infantry doctrine is to send human waves
That's not how they fight
lol, lmao even
Meat cheap and breeds itself, plane expensive and can't be reliably replaced thanks to corruption.
doctrine is to send human waves
>>air force doctrine is to be risk-averse
>I don't get these people.
how ass-fricking stupid are you nafo homosexuals?
>send multiple felon murderers in cannon charge
>save expensive air-craft and pilot
its that fricking simple
how hard is this for your common-core, drug rotted brains?
Bear in mind that when Soviet Union collapsed, most of the high-tech parts (such as space and aviation technology) was left in UKRAINE.
Some of the stuff russian airforce uses, IT CAN NOT MAKE MORE. It's like literal lost tehnology for russians. They are merely maintaining what they have. Their own production capacity is small or in some cases, non-existant.
That's one of the reasons why Russia wanted to swallow Ukraine. If you try LARPing a superpower, it's really hard to do if you lost the majority of your production base. Ukraine was always the technological powerhouse of soviet union. That's why it's of strategic importance to get it back, if Russia wants to keep having their importance as a world superpower.
and yet Ukrain left it to rot. The potential for their industry has downgraded significantelly since the fall of soviet union
🙂
A good pilot takes 15 years to train and costs millions of dollars.
Plane itself can be impossible to make and maintain even if you have the money.
Air force = precious
Army = not so precious
The trouble is, is that they really don't have that many planes.
The lost of twenty of one type of plane would reduce their total numbers down by 15-45%, as they never make more than 200 or so in a single production run.
As for people, they can always get more people for next to nothing comparatively speaking, so it makes sense to use them more recklessly.
Another aspect I've heard mentioned elsewhere, is that the Russian airforce is considered the comfiest, most prestigious gig in the military, so all the oligarch sons and other influential-types that want to play soldier get in there. So losing pilots has a triple threat from the political ramifications of getting the relatives of important people killed.
>air force doctrine is to use le advanced meme jets as airborne artillery from the safety of Russian airspace and hope the missile lands on it's target
Fix'd. Turns out Cuckniks can't into SEAD
NATO can’t SEAD either, literally ONLY americans have that ability against a real army and air defence network.
BASED moron.
This is legitimate defence analysis, Russian and Ukrainian failures point to how much people have underestimated how specialised American expertise is.
NATO needs to fill the gap immediately, procurement and training is being implemented already .
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/getting-serious-about-sead-european-air-forces-must-learn-failure-russian-air-force-over-ukraine/
If America can’t do it nobody can but there is no such thing as impenetrable air defence, the spear is always at an advantage over any kind of shield.
American experience, training and sheer resources is just unmatched in this field, complete aerial supremacy.
Has the US ever actually attempted SEAD against a competent force?
Could the US stomach the losses required for successful SEAD over s300/400?
Iraq's Air Defense network during the first gulf war was, on paper and in scale of defenses actually highly effective, that's why the American strikes had to be so tactically large scale.
Someone post the Webm of the Gulf War air attacks to show how fricking much the US had to dump on Iraq just to take out it's air defense. We're talking hundreds of cruise missiles, large scale use of Stealth fighters, and multiple organized attacks from all directions.
American SEAD masterclass in iraq sent shockwaves within russian defence circles because their air defence wasn’t that much better than iraq.
Iraq used russian systems which although not the latest was assumed to be very formidable.
Originally everyone gleefully sat with popcorn, expecting heavy american casualties.
All y'all other Anon's are missing the point. Think about what kind of people fly fighter jets. Russia is as corrupt and nepotistics as any country can be without being a banana republic satire construct. The people in the meat waves are from the ass-end of shitmypantsville oblast. The fighter pilots aren't. Being a pilot is perceived as cool and sexy - even in Russia they've seen topgun. The pilots are the cold war era military officer's brats and lower-upper class sycophants.
They quite literally don't send planes on suicide runs because they're piloted by the Russian equivalent to middle ages landholding lower nobility. I bet you none of the "pilots" out of whatever shitty pretend "fighter academy" institute come from a family outside the top 1% income demographic in Russia (which in Russia seemingly amounts to owning a functioning motorized vehicle and being paid currency instead of being paid in barter goods + whatever you can pilfer at work)
They don't do human wave attacks, that's the other guys. These days they've been going in hard on artillery and they can use the tanks now. Look at how Bakhmut is going, they're just shelling the piss out of everything.
>su-57
It has as much stealth as the f-18
Legacy or super hornet?
>unironically posting state media
Bong reports have been pretty accurate so far, the only source I have seen be more reliable are bong decodes.
They're not reliable, they're propaganda from a British government mouthpiece. The BBC is funded directly by the state and cannot be trusted.
What does it say about the war that British propaganda has been accurate?
Everything the BBC has reported is speculative, and without any sources.
And has been verified time after time after time by the continued Russian performance of the war.
And yet still accurate, ain't that funny me old china
you are aware its coming from literal british intelligence and they themselves are the source?
Only side who knows where everything russia owns is is nato. I'd listen to them.
>BBC is funded directly by the state and cannot be trusted.
So, Vanya, I know it seems impossible to you because you live in a primitive and debased condition, but for many governments, it is quite normal to fund news and information gathering services that are independent, honest and objective, since they do not risk or fear punishment for telling the truth.
I'm sorry you had to find out this way, I truly am.
Anon im not that runaway mobik but the BBC is far from honest and objective, the UK would be better off if they were allowed to let it fail and die.
And who should we be watching instead, Vanya? The RT?
Frick off, the BBC is the most trustworthy and honest news agency in the entire world. They've never given a false report. Not once.
>Frick off, the BBC is the most trustworthy and honest news agency in the entire world. They've never given a false report. Not once.
They literally covered up decades of child rape and lied about the number of migrants coming in
Frick off, Nigel.
France is that way you wienersucker
>he fell for the mainstream media le bad meme
>cites a few examples where the ball was dropped
>out of tens of thousands of concrete reports
Pathetic.
BBC is unreliable when protecting the British Government
They are the fricking gold standard for everything else
hope this helps, they can be both things at the same time, I know this can confuse the average playdoh eating moron that infests this site
This isn't a statement from the BBC so why are you bringing them up?
The Ministry of Defense is not reliable, it’s propaganda from a British government mouthpiece. The MoD is funded directly by the state and cannot be trusted.
What's that got to do with the BBC?
>BBC
Why are americans so obsessed with Black person dicks
>the British ministry of defence is funded by the British government
Fricking hell anon what a revelation. Got any more pearls of wisdom for us?
Why the frick are you talking about reliability of the BBC when it's the British Defence Intelligence making an analysis for public use with no attempt at masquerading it as anything but that? Where's the dishonesty? What's the gotcha by screeching about the BBC being propaganda? It's pretty fricking obvious it's a state source and it's advertized as such.
When have they been wrong?
True I only trust RT and incel slava z.
its not russian state media so they have no reason to lie.
Given the profits involved, they have every reason to lie.
Pleasepleasepleaseplease send these and the Armatas into Ukraine so there's footage of them.
Did they name the fricking planes FELON?
We did, pretty much every time you see a Russian planes name it's the NATO reporting name.
NATO code name for soviet/russian equipment
Bombers start with B
Badger = Tu-16
Bear = Tu-95
Blinder = Tu-22
Blackjack = Tu-160
Backfire = Tu-22M
Fighter aircraft starts with F
Fulcrum = MiG-29
Flanker = Su-27
Felon = Su-57
Frogfoot = Su-25
Fencer = Su-24
Fishbed = MiG-21
Flogger = MiG-23
Foxbat = MiG-25
Farmer = MiG-19
gayot = MiG-15 KEK
Su-75 = Femboy
God, I hope so.
It came from reddit, the noncredibledefense sub, but it's a far superior name to the manufacturer's suggested callsign of "Checkmate", which doesn't follow NATO reporting standards and implies it will be somehow dominant in operations.
As much as I hate to agree with reddit, "Femboy" is a far more apt name.
Fyi: two syllable names are for jets, one syllable names are for prop aircraft.
Tourists go back
wait until they find out what a Mig-15 is called
I still say the NATO reporting name for the Su-57 should be "Frickface".
>Russians use felons as troops
>use FELONS as planes
Sergei Brin was right, Nigeria with snow.
FELON is NATO callsign.
Does russia have a name for it? Was the Su-75 reveal called Checkmate just because of salt over the Su-57's nato callsign?
Kek, does the bong MoD not realise that 5th gen jets are a meme?
this governement funded source is obviously propagandic mouthpiece
>compromise of technology
How is it a compromise when US trch shits all over it.
>reputational damage
Russia has lost its economy and military. What in the frick reputation do they have left?
They have a reputation for producing ok weapons for countries too poor or unwilling to buy western weapons.
This is why it's so rare for Russia to send anything modern to Ukraine, they don't want potential customers watching it fail.
Yup, people might not buy the newest z-plane if it turned out that it can be easily shot down by western late cold war leftovers.
Has anyone been able to decode this yet?
fresh from the machine
>prioritising the anal damage, and the compromise of sensitive ass over Ukraine
that one was so easy that I' strongly suspecting they ACTUALLY want us to decode it
>Felon parked at Kremlin
Are perhaps the Bongs implying something about Putin?
If they are stealth how do they know that russians didnt use them over ukraine?
The better question is why did the glowies have 2 IR mirrors bigger than Hubble laying around? What could they possibly want to point a high res / high magnifcation IR camera at earth for?
finding exhaust ports and road mobile icbms.
Cleavage shots.
State secret.
Stealth to targeting systems not to early warning radar.
Can’t hide from radar just can’t get a weapon lock on them.
Can Patriot Missiles shoot them down?
The jets themselves? I don't know. IIRC, Patriot was designed to move quickly, but didn't have anti-ECM. They were built to kill the cruise missiles they'd be launching.
>Akhtubinsk Air Base
That's not further from Ukraine than Engels-2. They wouldn't hurt the SU-57s, r-right?
>UKDJ calls out position
>three days later, mysterious explosions at Acktubinsk
>all but one -57 whacked
>armatard resurrected to mindbreak once more
>fire at Su-57 production line, tooling wrecked
if fricking only
I suspected they were using them much the same as the MiG 31. Brits confirmed it, noice
oh my god.. how did nobody tell me this before? how long have you all known the the ministry of defense was a part of the uk government??
we need to go to the press at once!
this argument is one of the most moronic arguments i have ever seen what reason does British intelligence have to lie moron?
the joke
(you)
Holy shit he cracked the case!
Did you know? The UK Ministry of Defense is .... part of the British government!!
Surprised? So was I ........
I thought it was a church
This is an amazing piece of information that has been a closely guarded State Sekrit. Until now.
Can I play along?
My take-away from this:
Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information
FAPSI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAPSI
>FAPSI (Russian: ФAПCИ) or Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information (gayCI) (Russian: Фeдepaльнoe Aгeнтcтвo Пpaвитeльcтвeннoй Cвязи и Инфopмaции) was a Russian government agency, which was responsible for signal intelligence and security of governmental communications.
>The present-day FAPSI successor agencies are the relevant departments of the Federal Security Service (FSB) and Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) as well as the Special Communications Service of Russia (Spetssvyaz) (part of the Federal Protective Service of the Russian Federation) (FSO RF).
>FAPSI was created from the 8th Main Directorate (Government Communications) and 16th Directorate (Electronic Intelligence) of the KGB. It is the equivalent to the USA National Security Agency. On September 25, 1991, Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev dismantled the KGB into several independent departments. One of them became the Committee on Government Communications under the President of Soviet Union. On December 24, 1991 after the disbanding of the Soviet Union the organization became the Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information under the President of Russian Federation.
>On March 11, 2003 the agency was reorganized into the Service of Special Communications and Information (Spetssvyaz, Spetssviaz) (Russian: Cлyжбa cпeциaльнoй cвязи и инфopмaции) of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB RF). On August 7, 2004, Spetssviaz was incorporated as a structural sub unit of the Federal Protective Service of the Russian Federation (FSO RF).
Hang on, are you guys saying the British MoD is funded by the British government? What the frick why isn't everyone talking about this?
>it's confirmed Russia is really using SU-57
It would be bad if something happened to it.
>"have almost certainly used"
>So it's confirmed
average illiterate burger
"Almost Certainly" means a 95% chance in British Government terms. So you are the one who does not know what they are talking about.
General Milley said Russia has lost "5th generation fighters" in a press briefing last month. I timestamped it here.
?t=2013
I see the Russian have yet to master enclosed hangar technology, or even the technique of "throwing a fricking tarp over your incredibly expensive, utterly irreplaceable equipment so it doesn't turn up on *commercially available* satellite imagery, you stupid fricking vatniks."
>this doesn't mean that we can expect T-14 in Ukraine
They'd have to possess a functioning one first.
Drone visit when?
All these posts and not a single decode.
>SON I AM DISSAPOINT
britbong updates threads have been pretty rare lately but yeah disappointing nonetheless