afaict wonks hardly ever talk about nuking yourself, but this is because they are profoundly lacking in imagination rather than it not being a consideration that should probably be factored in nuclear gayyyy theory.
in fact it seems like one of the only survivable tactics for honest signalling of your willingness to use nuclear weapons as a conventional conflict completely slips thru your grasp
With Belka it was clear the self-nuking was intentional. If Russian nukes explode on internationally recognized Russian territory, one the other hand, I wouldn't be so sure of they meant to do that or if they're exceptionally retarded
Depends on the scenario. >Russia doing pre-announced nuclear testing far away from civilization
NATO would do a jump on readiness because that would be a likely sign that Russia plans on actually using nukes for something. >Russia doing unannounced testing far away from civilization
DEFCON1 and NATO nuclear powers would ready their own arsenals because unannounced testing means Russia plans to use nukes and ignores any and all treaties regarding it. >Suddenly there is a nuclear attack on some Russian town/city, and Russia itself seems responsible
Who the fuck knows, probably increase in readiness and demands of answers from Russia regarding on what the fuck is going on. >After some instability Russia nukes a province that has high separatism or independence movement going on
Hard to say, there would be probably some sort of intervention, but whether that would be boots on the ground or just heavy judging is up to air. >Russia nukes a ukrainian province it has occupied and claims to own
Very likely intervention
How would you get involved exactly?
Send a crack team to Moscow to parade around when everyone is hiding from the fallout? Send wine and shovels? Rocket the clouds to make it rain across all of Russia? What the fuck can you do if they nuke themselves?
Ask for restraint? Send rations?
Jesus this whole place is retarded and obsessed with Russians, it's pathetic
Sit back and watch. What the fuck do you think everyone would do? Go: "gee golly whiz, lets throw some of ours at them as well"..? Christ on a stick, are you stupid? ... it's meth, isn't it? Say it's meth. You have an audience.
NATO and nearby countries would realize their leadership is too unstable and then zerg rush Moscow, St. Petersburg.
The only likely scenario would be some break-away capital gets hit as Russia breaks apart.
If they're distracted enough NATO might do a counterforce first-strike, though it'd be unlikely
Yes.
NATO would probably try to secure the nukes from the rogue actors.
afaict wonks hardly ever talk about nuking yourself, but this is because they are profoundly lacking in imagination rather than it not being a consideration that should probably be factored in nuclear gayyyy theory.
in fact it seems like one of the only survivable tactics for honest signalling of your willingness to use nuclear weapons as a conventional conflict completely slips thru your grasp
If Russia nuked itself it'd unironically just turn into a Belka scenario
With Belka it was clear the self-nuking was intentional. If Russian nukes explode on internationally recognized Russian territory, one the other hand, I wouldn't be so sure of they meant to do that or if they're exceptionally retarded
Reminder:
Unlike Russia, Belka did absolutely nothing wrong.
Depends on the scenario.
>Russia doing pre-announced nuclear testing far away from civilization
NATO would do a jump on readiness because that would be a likely sign that Russia plans on actually using nukes for something.
>Russia doing unannounced testing far away from civilization
DEFCON1 and NATO nuclear powers would ready their own arsenals because unannounced testing means Russia plans to use nukes and ignores any and all treaties regarding it.
>Suddenly there is a nuclear attack on some Russian town/city, and Russia itself seems responsible
Who the fuck knows, probably increase in readiness and demands of answers from Russia regarding on what the fuck is going on.
>After some instability Russia nukes a province that has high separatism or independence movement going on
Hard to say, there would be probably some sort of intervention, but whether that would be boots on the ground or just heavy judging is up to air.
>Russia nukes a ukrainian province it has occupied and claims to own
Very likely intervention
Are you implying something anon? I'm on board with it, just in case
…things maybe to show concern.
russians will manage to nuke themselves before 2030
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thermonuclear_War
We've gone from Russia will collapse in two weeks to "guys, Russia can still nuke itself"
china and nato would obviously rush in from each side to secure the nukes
We'd get involved. We'll send a couple nukes too just to be sure.
belka did nothing wrong, except in this case they did.
Would finish them off, tbh
I'm moderate btw.
How would you get involved exactly?
Send a crack team to Moscow to parade around when everyone is hiding from the fallout? Send wine and shovels? Rocket the clouds to make it rain across all of Russia? What the fuck can you do if they nuke themselves?
Ask for restraint? Send rations?
Jesus this whole place is retarded and obsessed with Russians, it's pathetic
Anon, have you found The Clitoris?
Sit back and watch. What the fuck do you think everyone would do? Go: "gee golly whiz, lets throw some of ours at them as well"..? Christ on a stick, are you stupid? ... it's meth, isn't it? Say it's meth. You have an audience.
Anon, are you THE moron?
jej