So....How much chloroform do you need to really really knock out someone? Why can't some special operations combat operators black ops used them to securing HVT instead of killing them?
So....How much chloroform do you need to really really knock out someone?
What are you planning?
Picrel
haha I was just thinking about that one
>Rah!
The PrepHole version would be even better.
>You have to eat all the eggs.
>I'll just stay here with you WORKING ON MY GUN.
>I love guns.
>Just look at them all, see I have even more guns.
>And ammo, lots of ammo.
>What do you think about GUNS?
>Sometimes I ask about chloroform on my guns board.
>Keep eating those eggs girl.
>you have to clean ALL the guns
Forwarded the screenshot of this whole thread to the FBI, society must be kept safe from deviants like you.
Chloroform is overhyped af. It quickly evaporates, it Is hard not to kill the victim and you actually News to breath it for like 10 mins or what. KGB tried fentanyl with something during Moscow theatre siege but surprise, it Is actually very hard to use on unknown weight with unknown dosage inhaled. I think Propofol can actually be used as a spray but have no idea. Most of the times specforces just use CS as it has pretty much same usage without the "So sleepy you forget how to breathe" effect.
Yeah and they ended up killing many civis as well, just like during beslan siege
Beslan was cause they rocketed the hostage takers (and hostages) with thermobaric shoulder fired rockets
So is there anything that would do the work of chloroform in media. Something that you could reliably use to knock someone out like a spray/gas etc quickly.
I guess you could just bash them on the head but that seems barbaric.
you could try consent
Anon that isn't going to work if I want to quickly steal someone for my secret ubermensch cloning experiments in the undercroft.
As in "Does this rag smell like chlorophorm to you?"
Very sneaky you cheeky bastard.
sure.
just make sure you get the dose right, people are right between 'large dog' and 'small livestock'
Well I guess I got my answer.
moron they don't give a fuck about this. They aren't the stasi that have an informant on every street. This thread has literally zero value to them.
they keep certain feelers out anon.
automated ones at the least.
Anaesthetist is a difficult medical speciality for a reason, anon.
They make more than surgeons too. Also pay more for malpractice insurance though.
Because anesthesiologists kill something like 100k people a year in the US.
>you could just bash them on the head
Hey you ever notice how in every sport when someone completely looses consciousness they stop everything and a bunch of doctors rush over to them?
You ever wonder why that is?
>I guess you could just bash them on the head but that seems barbaric.
That's more Hollywood BS too, Anon. That's not how it works at all.
Hitting them in the head gives them a head injury. Depending on all of the variables, they could have a headache with some cosmetic damage, a mild concussion, a severe concussion... strong potential for permanent brain damage.
The odds of a head strike immediately knocking someone out without permanent damage are extremely low.
If you're hitting them in the head enough to drop them it's extremely likely you've broken something or killed them.
There isn't a magic off switch, chemical or physical. Even stun guns have a significant fail rate.
Though, I wonder how well animal tranquilizers work or what long term negative effects there are? Any Anons know?
I don't even know what they use for animal tranquilizers but there are plenty of drugs that would make someone dopey enough that you could very easily wrestle them into handcuffs. Wouldn't necessarily knock them out, but they wouldn't put up much of a fight either.
Benzodiazepines like Xanax can very easily do this. Their lethal dosage is also high enough that you're very unlikely to kill your victim by mistake.
Also this.
There are many benzodiazepines, including may that can be administered via IM and IV. Many large game/animal sedatives are opiods like Lofentanil or Carfentanil. The latter is about 100x mores potent than Fentanyl. Carfentanil is also suspected as being one of the chemicals used in the Moscow Theater hostage incident, not Fentanyl.
t. formerly an employee in the pharmaceutical industry
There is a drug called Etorphine (M99) that is used to tranquilize elephants, rhinos and buffalo. It's thousands of times stronger than morphine, and if you used it on a person it would probably kill them.
>The odds of a head strike immediately knocking someone out without permanent damage are extremely low
Nah. Saps pretty much turn people off hence the name. And they have good safety overhead considering skull bones damage.
Whoever knocking down someone with hard knockdown via brain shake can lead to difficult to diagnose and treat brain hemorrhaging that can be very dangerous. So saps were banned for police.
But if you can tank say 10% probability that victim dies or became crippled, then sap is the way.
>There isn't a magic off switch
yes there is, I own one.
appreciable chance of permanently blowing some of your target's fuses however, which is why the cops no longer use them
Rear naked choke
Blood choke
A bribe.
>I guess you could just bash them on the head
If you are hitting someone hard enough on the head to make them go unconscious, 1. It usually only lasts a few seconds
2. There is a high risk of permanent injury or death
being an anaesthesiologist is a full blown job anon. Doctors/Surgeons need an expert specifically for sedating you to their job, if you think some dipshit rapist is going to manage it then you might need to go to some sort of remedial school
Calm down anon. People here aren't asking 'how can I effectively anaesthetise someone in a few seconds just walking down the street so they feel no sensation for an exact amount of time?' The thread is about how someone might reliably knock someone out for a roughly estimatable amount of time to say drag them away (I assume to the rape dungeon in Mordor or something).
Doctors having people put under for invasive surgery (so they both don't feel it or move to mess up a delicate operation) that would be literal agony and could cause a massive lawsuit if a small part goes wrong is by far different to the kind of street snatch and grab stuff people are talking about here. An ordinary strong person for example with some training can knock someone out by choking them until they pass out, and that is taught in the military successfully.
You might need to be a specialist to have control very specific amounts of drugs to cause minimal side effects in a complex procedure, but the discussion here is far less concerned about 'causing no harm' and 'quickest recovery', which should be obvious seeing the thread started with an image of some evil rapist dude kidnapping a woman.
Knocking someone out can kill them even if you don't give them a head injury
When you fall unconscious all your muscles relax. Somebody who is sat back in a chair while unconscious can be seriously injured because their body weight compresses their blood vessels, effectively causing a crush injury
If somebody in a harness (eg working at heights) falls unconscious the absolute first thing you have to do before even trying to get them down is make them go horizontal, otherwise the blood vessels are compressed and the blood in their legs goes rancid.
Same reason why if you encounter a crush injury (eg person pinned against a wall by a car) you leave them there. They have to be removed professionally and get specialist treatment immediately, so that basically means the hospital has to come to them before they're freed.
Basically, don't knock someone out unless you're prepared to either cripple or kill them. The chances of them having no problems whatsoever are really low.
This. My aunt is an anesthesiologist, this isn't the movies.
>Yeah and they ended up killing many civis as well, just like during beslan siege
That was the point, duh. The more victims the more public outrage, the more reason for Putler and his faction to make more wars, more power shifting from provinces to Moscow, more excuses to strip people of what's left of civil liberties.
Why so you think GRU blew up those apartment blocks full of russians.
>Moscow theatre siege
They didn't explain the tactic to ems properly so there wasn't enough narcan to go around.
It's a viable tactics if you immediately slammed narcan up everyone's nose as soon as the terrorists are dead
Not much at all but in confined spaces it can make you very woozy as well, and without professional application it's going to kill or brain damage your patients probably too many times.
it also flashes off instantly, putting it on a rag like this wouldn't work unless you poured it and applied it in the same motion
>tl:dr movie gag attains urban legend status
Do you think ether would work better?
Hello Glowmorons
heaps, and it takes ages to take effect
and if you dose someone too many times it permanently damages their health
You need to drench a rag in it and hold it on their face for like a minute.
>How much chloroform do you need to really really knock out someone?
not much, keep in mind even a little is too much and can kill someone
At that range you're going to knock yourself out as well, even if you're wearing a mask.
This thread sucks but I have a genuine question
Is it possible to make case fired anesthetic rounds and a firearm to shoot them? Like solid snake?
Tranq guns exist anon, you could probably make a small pistol version. I mean it is just a dart gun so you could definitely have a small one. It probably wouldn't be instant though like in MGS, but it doesn't mean the person would freak out, possibly just go 'ow' and then look around confused for a bit before passing out. That would obviously draw attention if others were around, but alone a little bit away it woudl probably work out.
don't listen to this anon. headshots are instant knockout unless they have a helmet, then it's one shot to knock off the helmet and another to knock them out
>It probably wouldn't be instant though like in MGS
Not instant, but should be pretty quick if you use something like blue ringed octopus neurotoxin. That can work pretty fast if injected.
just use cosby in a can, retard
It's definitely not the "few seconds" like in the movies, all that would do is reduce some of the victims reflexes and processing speed.
To effectively knock someone out requires prolonged exposure, like laying there with the soaked rag on your face for 30 minutes or more.
Chloroform knocking people out with a single sniff is the same as the single gunshot makes you drop down and die every time myth.
Youre talking about applying anesthesia on the fly with minimal knowledge on the patient. Pretty much youre liable to either dose low and end up in the embarrassing situation of the anesthetia just making them drowsy without knocking them out or knocking them out quickly and killing them. Knocking somebody out quickly without killing thems a lot easier said then done in a clinical setting let alone a resisting individual which is why anesthetists are some of the best paid medical professionals out there with the highest malpractice insurance. In any situation where you could get a highly trained doctor operator to simultaneously grapple and perfectly administer anesthesia youd be a fucking mouthbreathing retard not to just get two guys in there instead and hogtie the fucker with way more surety and lower chance of killing them on accident.
>addendum, none of this gets into the fact that chloroform is an absolute shit method of anesthesia with tons of its own problems.
Hey man, cool it with your harsh vibes.
Anon just wants to populate his Frtizl dungeon with nubiles, same as anybody else.
>Chloroform
Shocked nobody has mentioned Casey Anthony or phosgene yet.
An Federal Law Enforcement agent will shortly contact you regarding your intentions and your interest in the use of trichloromethane compound also know as chloroform. Enjoy your day.
A lot, and sometimes it causes heart arrhythmias and kills the target. Would know since I’ve worked with and suffered poisoning
A guy in Desert Shield was busted raping dudes. He got some ether in cans, would spray it into a rag, gently place it on another soldiers face while they were sleeping, wait a few minutes and then ass rape them.. He got caught when several guys showed up in medical with rectal issues. Army started processing them out for homosexuality.. But a doctor realized something was up as he had over 5 guys come in the exact same way over a fairly short period of time. It was a simple matter of finding who bunked with all of the victims. The gays kit was found in his property, the ether and rag. So an already asleep victim makes it easier obviously.
I forget where exactly I heard this but there was a case in my country of a dude doing this to either men or women, I forget but it was one or the other. He'd drug them, rape them, then just leave them with friends or whatever. The police figured it out after a few victims came forward, not claiming to have been raped, but confused because they had physical signs of rape and no memory of it.
It was something like that anyway. I just remembered it because the statement from the police was so bizarre, it was like "if you remember having 'passed out' and suffering strange physical symptoms in x area and y circumstance from 20xx to 20xx, please contact us immediately".
Google is fucking shit btw, no matter what variety of search terms I use it just fucking railroads me into resources to report a rape. Yes. I get it. But I'm not fucking looking for that, christ.
Its just a fetish thing
There is no use of it IRL
So what's the source?
sauce? I want to know what happens next.
at one point he was known as the either bunny
Chloroform is more an asphixiant than anything. It'd be like knocking out someone by putting a plastic bag over their head. Stopping between "loss of consciousness" and "brain damage" is not a good game to play.
Anon no.
Chloro is way more dangerous than most knockout chems and it's volatile enough to be an issue to yourself. Plus it's not any better than CO2. It only got popular because it was used as a solvent for other compounds, so it was on every knockout weapon attempt, but not as the active component. It's just plain dumb. Don't do it.
If you or your partner are into this type of kinky shit (and if they're not don't read this, for legal reasons) best knockout way is the good old wrestling choke. And even then you have to be careful and trained.
Be safe around kinky shit, anon!
>best knockout way is the good old wrestling choke.
Actually, it's the head and arm triangle from mount since you choke with your weight and not your arm muscles
Please don't tell me you've actually just been using your arm muscles instead of getting a proper rear naked
We all get better with practice. Rookie mistakes are called that for a reason.
Head in arm uses more arm muscles than a proper RNC
t. I hit head in arms more than anything.
It takes longer than in the movies.
Don't let creep OP know that one lungfull of nitrogen can cause unconsciousness.
Dude, literally 90% of women under 30 will willingly snort enough ketamine to k-hole.
Its obsolete, just put Xanax in their burger
This isnt a movie op.
Chloroform such as an anesthetic and has serious problems/risks.
Your better off getting your intel devision to determine the guys weight via an informant or data leak and use propofol aka milky white.
Propofol needs to be injected via a vein but it works hella fast....you count down from 10 and your out.
Idk if you can inject it into a artery....and idk what obsorbtion looks like in the musle or subcutanious fat. IV is how its been done in the professional world.