So here's the future service rifle of the Swedish army Posted on May 24, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Say something nice about it. 5.56
I can't. It's literally absolutely soulless.
you just want every country to have an exotic looking rifle and goofy outfits.
you would not want to be shot by it
very fucking curious
I wouldn't want to be shot by a bb
Sorry gaybois but it's another gas piston. This is now a stoner btfo thread.
>He doesn't know about the AR-16 and -18.
ask me how i know you are mixed race
it's a SAKO.
it's instantly max SOVL.
Also Finns will be adopting it and their AR10 variant in the near future as well.
It looks like a PDW wtf
It is, the main service rifle is the 7.62 rifle.
>brand makes something
>this means it has soul
No but a country refusing to simply buy HK off the shelf in the year 2023 is an achievement in and of itself. Especially when said company hasn't made assault rifles in decades.
Swedish camo looks so silly. But maybe it's effective.
fuck that was every comments section on AirsoftGI/Evike/Redwolf through the 2010s
AR shitheads are ruining guns for me. The AK5 is infinitely cooler. They are taking the Valmet and G36 too. Not kewl.
Bulky isn’t good in a service rifle. No wonder the AR is the standard rifle of NATO
>it’s cool because it’s different!
The AR-15 is a better rifle
We tried the M16A2 with the Ak5 trials and found it subpar for arctic conditions specifically. This one is short stroke gas piston but retains the fire selector and charging handle which IIRC were the big issues with the M16.
Makes sense to go with something like an Hk416,
And not surprised due to LWRC rifles in the hands of Sveska SWAT teams.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
This but do this instead
Maybe add an extended selector on one side for heavy glove manipulation
Heavy ass fuck with wonky recoil.
I'm not gonna miss it, but I hope the sako is as reliable and though tho.
The main rifle is gonna be the 7.62 version. No i'm not joking.
they designated the short 5.56 as pdw
The barrel is way too short for 5.56. Especially with optics becoming standard issue people should honestly discard the ridiculous hubris of 5.56 SBR's.
bring back the 20''.
>another gay arrr fifteen
LMT got another deal? The Estonian rifle is nice.
doesnt work in cold weather
Fuck I want that jacket, preferably
one that hasn't had a nog inside of it though.
>not a bullpup
ARs on Mars
rest in rip 6.5x55
Looks like my poorfag Aero
>CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V CTRL+V
>I HECKIN LOOOOOOVE """""""""NEW"""""""""""" FIREARM DESIGN!!
Goyslop of guns
Any knuckle draggers care to think for 1 second that Sweden gets really really cold
>New service rifle drops
>It's an AR18 clone
>It weighs over eight pounds empty
>It's 3 MOA fresh from the factory
>bonus points for 50 shades of FDE
Is this the definition of technological regression? I mean shit, even comblocs had lighter short stroke and long stroke guns 50+ years ago.
Based colorblind retards
>t. literally got his eyes checked last month
I'm gonna laugh at your poor eyesight and/or poorly calibrated screen and move on. Don't bother replying further.
FN FAL is better
Ambi bolt controls are BASED and a REQUIREMENT in the current year, if you disagree you are GAY
Aren't ambi mag catches in an AR lower receivers prone to mag over-insertion? I've never seen one executed very well or not super picky about magazines.
Magazine over insertion is a problem of the magazine catch, not the bolt catch. That would be like cutting your brake lines and then complaining how hard it is to decelerate to a stop with your hand brake.
Is this Sako’s AR? If so I imagine the quality will be there.
Yeah, there's going to be a bunch of SAKO rifles coming in.
Good idea to get guns developed in a country with the same climate. I'd prefer it if we made them ourselves, but tying ourselves closer to Finland militarily is almost as good.
>sewage green mag and grip
>pure white bread adjustable stock
>taco bell gut shit tan
God I'm so fucking sick to death of modern ARs.
>I can't find any real flaws
swedes buying finnish guns? i thought swedes were racist against finns?
Finns say that, yeah.
It's quite the opposite + the finns conflating the fenoswedes with actual swedes.
Is that a fucking aero upper receiver?
what does the itty bitty lever above the mag release do?
Ambi bolt release like every other higher tier lower receiver in current year
Sako makes good guns and it’s an AR.
>Something not nice
Way to not push the development of any novel technology you unoriginal NPCs. At least the last US Army rifle competition saw novel attempts at improving small arms technologies.
just like how everything evolves into crabs, it seems every country eventually goes back to the AR. Eugene Stoner would be proud.
It's never been about the design. If America would've adopted the G3 we'd all have roller delayed guns now.
>inb4 but it's worse
It has seen a lot less development and holds up a lot better than any AR of its time. Apply 60 years of being the US standard service rifle to it and we get the same result.
the AR is perfect for finland and sweden in the sense that it is optimized for production by medium tro small sized precision manufacturers instead of being stamped sheet metal which requires much higher volumes to be profitable. There's a reason AR-15s cost $400 now and stamped rifles don't.
Retard take. Stampings can make guns incredibly cheap, ARs are cheaper because of the very economies of scale you pretend would cripple G3s.
They're expensive because barely anybody makes them, anon.
AR with woodscrews let's goo
RK 95 development was killed for this. And that atleast looked like a cyberfunk/mid-2000's futuristic AK, this literally looks like the average AR that any noname company in the US would make, they didn't even bother giving it a unique design like the Taiwanese at least did with the their T86 piston AR clones. Finland has fallen
Sadly, this. SAKO and the Finnish military was bought out by the US military industrial complex and big 5.56-shills, and hundreds of thousands of Finns will die because of this dogshit AR clone.
>Is this the definition of technological regression?
Nah, putting the charging handle on the side instead of the back like an AR or a Suomi is. Literally just take an RK62, move the charging handle back, add a piece of sheet metal to seal the gun where the empty casings come out.
>hundreds of thousands of Finns will die because blah blah blah I'm a fucking retard
RK is a bulky, heavy piece of shit with horrible irons and no way to upgrade it further without making it even worse in that regard. Those who don't adapt and keep up with the times will get rolled over.
>RK 95 development was killed for this.
RK 95 development ended in like 1994 and production lines were down and the last guns made in 1996.
You don't design military arms for looks or muh sovl. All that matters is function.
RK 95 was killed by decinion of Finnish military to buy 200,000 AKM-type rifles (half of them used ex East-German and another half new Chinese Type 56-2) in 1990's. With main customer not needing more there was no need for further development.
One of the lowkey worst parts of globohomo is every western military switching to an AR pattern rifle. Fucking boring
Lol, imagine fielding an intermediate caliber when the big dogs are gearing up with battle rifles.
The Swedes are also adopting a 7.62 variant, Finland too but only for DMR use. Sweden is rumored to get one for general infantry too
>NOOO IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT DIFFERENT REEE
This but unironically.
>My stupid and hyperbolic opinion is good because I posted a Wojak/Frog next to it
Do you understand how it feels to get conscripted, and receive your RK?. An RK manufactured in 1969, a weapon carried by your grandfather and your father? Perhaps it was even the exact same RK. You go out to the range and you fire, and they all hit paper despite it being your first time firing a gun, and despite the wear and tear of the gun. Seeing the craftsmanship, the history, the tradition. Now imagine getting some generic, dogshit MCdonalds-tier plastic AR instead, because AR's look tacticool and we need to be NATO compliant, despite the fact no-one gives a shit about those rules. Oh what's that, where's the RK's? Yeah, we melted those pieces of history down, we can't have those baby killing salt rifles in the hands of civilians after all. Now go freeze in the trenches.
>NOO MY HECKIN SOVL
>I WANT A AK CLONE INSTEAD OF A AR CLONE IT'S SO MUCH BETTER
Yes. It's an AK, but not shit.
>NOOOOOO IM RIGHT CUZ I KEEP MAKING STRAWMAN GREENTEXTS!!!
>NOO I'M BECAUSE I POSTED A WOJAK
>Proves my point
Oh wow you actually are that much of a fag.
Cope you're a frog poster that is worse then being a homosexual
moron I'm not that anon. I replied to you because I assumed you were a fag, and I was correct.
its not about nato compatibility(which is nice because it means we can use ammo stores of other countries) but AR is plain better. and 5.56 is even more so over 7,62x39
I dunno where people find "soul" in the most mass produced gun ever developed by the most totalitarian, most genocidal country. AK/RK is dated and worn now so we move on
>AR is plain better.
>5.56 is even more so over 7,62x39
>launches into onions filled moralfag whine about muh evil assault gun killing people
>You're wrong because... because you just are
5.56 is western, 7.62x39 is slavshit. end of argument.
That’s why your Soviet chuds ditched 7.62 for 5.45, right gay?
>grandfather carried an RK
How young are you exactly?
If grandpa served in ~1970 he'd be around 70 now. That's grandpa age everywhere but Finland where nobody even tries to breed until 35
only good thing about it is that it's a SAKO
probably the best looking AR
or that might just be the olive drap
either way, i don't hate it and love the battle rifle version
>probably the best looking AR
It's the most generic looking AR one could make though
And that's a good thing
>short stroke piston
I actually love it.
It's not a monolithic upper
Should be greener.
The gun is fucking souless but let's face it: It's still in use after 60 years for a reason.
I have a more important question: Does anyone have the pic of the female homely blonde Finn/Swede/Norwegian soldier holding a rifle and stripped almost all the way down to some sort of bright blue one piece swimsuit? She's out in the field, her hair is in a ponytail. I would like to beat off to that pic again and I have no idea where to find it.
Oh thank god. My dick thanks you profusely.
>for a reason
money is first spent on scams and brown people
Is it good?
>Is it good?
Who the hell knows? It's so new the paint isn't dry yet.
But at least the 7.62 version has the approval of both Finnish and Swedish military so take that as you will.
An AR-15, whoop dee doo
Don't the fanboys know the US ditched the baby AR?
At least it's green
For some reason I thought the 7.62x51mm battle rifle was the new service rifle, but that would have been far too based.
5.56 for the boyz in cars and 7.62 for regular dudes.
it is, the 5.56 is the PDW (for sweden at least)
It looks clean and professional, like a 5.56 XM7, feels Germanic. Maybe that is a folding stock for compactness, like the XM7. The mag is very smooth on the surface. With a suppressor and optics, you have a special forces style rifle. Overall, it is Völkisch.
It doesn't have a folding stock though, it's just a normal buffer tube.
Without the green paintjob it looks even more like a generic AR. Swedish/Finnish fail.
Im glad we get a new rifle. RK62 and its mods can only go so far and there are not enough 95's.
>Modern desing and manufacturing
>Im not able to get to use it in years and people need to use time and money to teach how to use it etc to retards.
The 62s aren't going away anytime soon. Between the procurement rate of the new rifles and the army's habit of using gear until it's falling apart, odds are that reservists that trained with the 62s will continue to be issued them for excercises (or the real thing). Meanwhile new conscripts will gradually start to be trained with the ARs, and issued the same when they eventually arrive for their reserve excercises.
>The 62s aren't going away anytime soon.
Could be. Then again there aren't really that many made and what have been made have been shoot trough by conscripts during training
>Meanwhile new conscripts will gradually start to be trained with the ARs
Good. I really want to know how AR platform holds Finnish enviroment. Especially I am intrested how easy it is fieldstrip at -20c with frozen hands and how reliable it is sharp weather changes combined with slush and tree resin (pihka in Finnish). Just saying I want a tool which works not a tool which has been chosen because of international politics. It is better to check the shit out before buying by complete idiots who handle the gun roughly in the Finnish terrain
You think they haven't thought about these things? You could go and see that for yourself even, and find out that it's not going to be any more of a problem than with RK. These vietnam war era fudd lore myths that have been extremely prominent in Finland are finally dying, and that's good.
There's a reason why even at the moment the more special guys in the military aren't using RK
>abloo bloo Vietnam War myths
And yet we didn't adopt a DI rifle, curious.
5.56 is le bad because it won't penetrate the leaves and tree trunks the same way the shorty 7.62 can
>You think they haven't thought about these things
They might have thought that but in case of RK they have field tested the tool with complete fucking morons since the 60s in Finnish terrain who might do with the rifle most curious things. I claim that this have not been done with AR platform but I don't mind if they start doing test with that
Vietnam is not Finland and the requirements for the tool are different
>special guys in the military aren't using RK
Special guys choose whatever they want the requirements for "not so special" soldiers might be different.
Personally when I was in service we tested American optics and results were not that good. They gathered moisture inside because of big changes in the weather and when weather froze they rendered useless because moisture inside froze and you could not see trough them. I think it is good thing to test them but I would not buy that brand for real wartime usage in our environment they probably would work just fine in Vietnam
We literally run American optics on our RKs though.
If it works good
You do realize your goolge translated russian to english is really obvious, right?
I can already see in my mind's eye all the häväris regarding the firing pin retainer and bolt cam pin
>häväris regarding the firing pin retainer
Who the fuck takes apart the bolt in field? Come on now.
A military firearm needs to be simple enough for easy field stripping. IMO the tiny firing pin retainer is one of the biggest flaws of the AR.
Genuine improvement, if so. Frankly I don't understand why it's not a thing already
You can use the tip of a bullet to easily pull the pin out of an AR-15 bolt carrier if you are having trouble doing it by hand. If you don't have any bullets on hand then why the fuck do you need to service your rifle? If you have no ammo you can't use it anyways.
>A military firearm needs to be simple enough for easy field stripping. IMO the tiny firing pin retainer is one of the biggest flaws of the AR.
So how often did you take apart the bolt of the RK-62?
That is never done.
I have a civilian AK only but every 2k rounds or so would be a good interval to do just that, the firing pin channel starts gumming up eventually
>A military firearm needs to be simple enough for easy field stripping. IMO the tiny firing pin retainer is one of the biggest flaws of the AR.
You're not going to be changing the fucking firing pin in the field, retard. Where the fuck are you going to get the replacement in the first place? You think regular units carry a lot of them with them?
Regular AR owner here, once the gun is worn enough, it's possible to get enough gunk into the firing pin channel inside the bolt that you start getting light strikes. If you anticipate this, you can keep it working without taking it apart by applying copious amounts of gun oil and working the pin back and forth along its full length of travel - but it's effective only temporarily and you'll want to take it apart and clean it out eventually.
>You're not going to be changing the fucking firing pin in the field, retard. Where the fuck are you going to get the replacement in the first place?
No-AR fag detected. Easy firing pin removal and drop-in replacement is kind of the whole point of the damn contraption
Rumours are that the firing pin retainer is actually a captive pin in the SAKO AR.
>Just saying I want a tool which works not a tool which has been chosen because of international politics. It is better to check the shit out before buying by complete idiots who handle the gun roughly in the Finnish terrain.
I'd like to think that the people in charge of procurement would not let their personal interests go above all else but we've seen how that goes.
I guess the future will tell.
well i hope, i get to fodle one
Is it semi monolithic?
It's not monolithic, it just has a weirdly placed rail section.
I asked if it was semi monolithic, not monolithic.
That's not how monolithic receivers work though It either is or it isn't
Do you know what semi monolithic means you fucking idiot
Either Google it yourself or explain what you mean so the thread isn't two retards arguing.
Keep pretending you aren’t the dumbass that doesn’t know what semi monolithic means.
>hurr just google it
Go ahead and give that a shot and tell me how much info is out there about the M23 handguard lockup.
Damn, you chose gayness. Hope that other guy wrings it out of you or you get bored of being difficult on the internet.
>that other guy
It’s literally (you)
Is it just me or do those barrel nut screws look a little off.
It's not bad, it's just boring. That's perfectly fine from the standpoint of a government and military selecting rifles, but it's boring from literally every other perspective.
>7.62x39 fanboys realizing that the Soviet Union gradually moved away towards a 5.56-like with 5.45x39 and hasn't looked back since
It's not the caliber that's the problem, it's just that it is another generic AR-15 clone with nothing to differentiate itself from from any other AR clone. At least the HK416 somewhat tries to have it's own style.
Ukrainians say they hate 5.45
>Ukrainians say they hate 5.45
In theory, 5.45 seems better than 5.56
Now it doesn't have as much (recent) development, so it's probably pretty shitty compared to modern 5.56 loads and bullets.
Who cares? They're just crying for more 5.56.
>Soviet Union gradually moved away towards a 5.56-like with 5.45x39 and hasn't looked back since
And Soviet Union was known for admitting when it has made a mistake.
What the fuck were the Soviets thinking when they moved from 7.62 all the way past 5.56 to 5.45? Why didn't they replace 7.62 with a 6.18x39 cartridge or something?
Someone please explain
they couldn't make it 5.5something directly because it would look too much like a copy so they went as close as they could: 5.45(rounds up to 5.5). And we're just going to something around a 6.5 caliber anyways lololol. Expect to see a Russian made 6.75x54mm.
6.8mm Remington SPC was the right choice.
You chose poorly.
with better propellant maybe
6.8 SPC wasn't propellant limited, it was chamber limited.
Both SPC and SPC II were submitted to SAAMI with incorrect chamber drawings so commercial ammo was loaded to lower pressure than originally intended to avoid the overpressure issues.
With improved chamberings and 5R rifling of a specific twist ratio the original theoretical performance of 6.8 could be achieved. But it wasn't an off the shelf solution.
Retarded take. 77gr 5.56 mogs everything and has more ftlbs of energy than heavier rounds like 7.62 Soviet at actual shooting people distances. Not to mention dramatically improved probability of hit at range.
Yeah but I thought the whole complaint that caused the U.S. leaving 5.56 for 6.8 is some people wanted something that hit harder than 5.56 which felt too wimpy but also wasn't as bulky and didn't kick as hard as 7.62
They looked at a cartridge that people already questioned was strong enough to do the job when your life is on the line and decided they needed something even wimpier than what the West had so not to confuse them
It was either going to be a Finnish AR clone or a Finnish ACR clone. So pick your poison.
That’s not an ACR clone, that’s a Down syndrome AR-18. I’d take the AR-15 looking AR-18 over the Down syndrome AR-18.
I mean technically the ACR is just a down syndrome AR-18 too.
Yes but the ACR looks cool.
It was never going to be the KAR-21, it wasn't ever even tested by either Finnish or Swedish defence forces procurement offices.
But that isn't the 7.65 version.
i actually like the colors
Finn passing through here.
'ate the new rifle.
Luv me RK 95 TP.
These are piston guns, yes? It's pretty good looking and we're these available on the US civilian market I would consider purchasing it.
>AR but autustic
Does it come with assembling instructions like IKEA?
ARs on Mars
I honestly really like it
But I'm also a boring-ass motherfucker who likes basic stuff with not much fancy or extra shit
Simple blocky nordic stuff is a trope I like
If there was a civilian version that was a full-length rifle in 5.56, I would definitely buy it and just put a more substantial buttstock on it and an optic
Didn't some Finnish reservists' training association say they had ordered civilian versions from Sako?
Semi-auto variants but not technically civilian versions of the rifle
Äckelpäckel, we need to go back to the AK4
I fucking hate Stoner
>THIS LOOKS LIKE X/NOT LIKE Y THEREFOR I AM MAD
It's a wartime service rifle not a fucking fashion show item you fucking retards, we don't field wartime biplanes from WW1 just because the Baron's Fokker looks cool.
If it makes sense strategically then it will triumph. Those old rifles can go into the museums, or a crisis cache.
at a time when everyone wants to put suppressors on standard issue rifles why is nato moving AWAY from bullpups?
>at a time when everyone wants to put suppressors on standard issue rifles why is nato moving AWAY from bullpups?
Americathink gave them chronic retardation
Rather have something that's good to use and not a cumbersome, heavy piece of shit.
>t. can't pass ATT even with a pencil
>no Swedish designed bullpup
I am disappoint
Looks fairly stright laced, nothing crazy going on. Also it's not FDE, which is a massive bonus. Just disappointed, thought Sako would give us something that would have more to say than "It's an AR"
Am I smoking crack, or is the hand guard actually integrated into the upper receiver? Very interesting choice, if true.
What's the point of this when they could just buy an off the shelf AR-15 and have exactly the same thing?
that is an 'off the shelf AR-15'