So everyone is fixated on the breakttrough around Izyum; ignoring that Kherson is in an even worse situation than the Falaise Gap.

So everyone is fixated on the breakttrough around Izyum; ignoring that Kherson is in an even worse situation than the Falaise Gap.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been more interested in Kherson, even with the crazy success in the East, do tell anon.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had seen the claims of disorganized retreats on the Western flank of the Kherson line, has there been more news of advances?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >THE 20TH MSD ARE COMPLETE SCUM

      They're Russian, what did he expect?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The ukranians crawled for half a day not realizing that the 20th just left a big fucking hole in the line
      >''They are quite Olge. What do we do Oleg?''
      >''Keep crawling Dimitri, this is the centre of vatnik lines- they have to hold this. They'll open fire any moment now- just keep your head down.''

      When you can't belive your enemy is a moron.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it could have gone faster, but a bit of caution just to make sure the roads aren't full of mines and villages full of hardened hold out points might mean few more Dimitri's able to crawl at the end of the day. That said, Russia did fucking nothing to spoil any of their probing and apparently was too busy packing their shit and doing the big fuckoffski
        Bit of luck and if you're lucky and you know it, clap some cheeks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What a fun looking slide!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sure the disabled love that fun Russian regulatory slide

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You get down that slide Ivan or so help me god I'll wrap this fucking bottle over your skull
          Daddy didnt raise no pussy!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Oleg, we crawl for days. That sign say Snowgeria. When we get to kill vatniks?"
        >"Any minute Demitri. I feel the vatniks in bones...they are close..."

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/lpVzZgC.jpg

          >The ukranians crawled for half a day not realizing that the 20th just left a big fucking hole in the line
          >''They are quite Olge. What do we do Oleg?''
          >''Keep crawling Dimitri, this is the centre of vatnik lines- they have to hold this. They'll open fire any moment now- just keep your head down.''

          When you can't belive your enemy is a moron.

          https://i.imgur.com/QUxZhx3.png

          I had seen the claims of disorganized retreats on the Western flank of the Kherson line, has there been more news of advances?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The russians left the Ukranians waiting at the altar

        Thats just rude

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently not much has moved around kherson, but do tell

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why do two offensives at the same time instead of focusing on one?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not surprised that Kharkov was just a reconnaissance-in-force to keep up the pressure on the north so they can't reinforce Kherson so easily. Except they found out it was barely defended and russians routed on contact so they just kept the thing going.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In 1281 the Mongols were invading the middle eastern Mamluk Sultanate and Japan simultaneously.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And how did that turn out?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Mamluks massacred them at Homs and a typhoon destroyed their fleet in Imari bay.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not the same mongols. The ilkhanate in the west and the yuan dynasty in the east barely had anything to do with each other even though the latter claimed sovereignty over all the mongol splinter states

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently Ukraine wanted to do a mass offensive on all sides, but U.S. generals advised them to focus on Kherson. Ukraine prodded Izium and found it to be a Russian house of cards, so they found unexpected success and are capitalizing on it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or maybe the U.S. publicly announced Kherson was the only offensive to further ruse the Russians.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or maybe the U.S. publicly announced Kherson was the only offensive to further ruse the Russians.

        https://twitter.com/Apocalypto321/status/1567849145146216448
        Repositioning of forces from Izium to Melitopol in an attempt to salvage Kherson were likely being tracked. Ukraine would have went in around the 4th, "coincidentally" when such an operation would have started. CIA Satelittes watching your every move is a bitch.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They both seem to have a serious focus, I'd disagree with anyone that thinks Kherson is a secondary importance due to the fact that's an orc horde there which is also currently stuck on the west side of the river and shitting bricks while being hit with precision ordinance. Given theres maybe 20-25k of them with all that pulled down from the north and thrown in to reinforce the area, it has left the Kharkiv front open to the extent there was maybe 10k-ish give or take in the Izyum area holding down their lines.
      So, that progressed quicker
      At the moment, Ukraine seems happy enough to harass, kill, blow up their river crossings and give them the good old attrition treatment- with the exception that they're not trading any land for time like they did up near Sieverdonetsk and seem to be able to contain and bash them at their whim. Its a pretty scary proposition for anyone on the west side of the river, they're getting their tempo dictated to mostly by Ukr forces, they're constantly harassed and will at some point get depleted in supplies of things like fuel and heavy ammo.

      A lot of their primary lines got trashed down there in the first forays, at some point the Ukr Forces lost a bit of inertia and seemed happy enough to consolidate their positions and put the orcs back in their secondary holes. Why?
      Well, its still a fucking lot of troops and you do have to be pretty careful as even the odd mistake in position could really mess you up and would be 'risky' to think they're not capable of coming up with some kind of dastardly tricks on their own. Sure they can't do command and control worth dick, but its still something that might need a bit of time, bit more attrition and hopefully grind down supplies, troops and morale to the point its a complete shit show... more than normal

      Theres the possibility that at some point it could be the blackest day for the Ru-mil down there

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ultimately, the situation favors Ukraine in Kherson, so they can afford to play it slow and safe there. There's no hope of serious reinforcement, and no hope of adequate resupply.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah it was a twitter offensive but in reality was actually a siege. IE a lot of waiting out their supplies interdiction and indirect fire until they starve or surrender.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How long before the Kherson garrison surrenders?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dunno, I'm no expert. But the Russians are complaining online of troops abandooning their posts and heading for the river. So my guess is morale is very low.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I predict the majority will bolt, sensing if they don't, they'll be smashed to pieces.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kherson has the makings of something they've planned out over a long time, so they can afford to do it by the numbers, steady and keep the pace enough to apply constant pressure across a really wide front. Whereas the Kharkiv has the signature of more opportunistic process of recon, see opportunity, advance, reinforce and keep pumping in forces to consolidate the areas, shore up their critical areas (bridges, crossings, Russian ammo dumps etc)
          Which by its nature will move fast, keep the enemy on the hop, make them move quickly and reactionary to your own forces.
          Basically they're going to break and run or hold fast and fight, so your mobile forces flow around hard points and get an envelope on them for long enough that the heavy hitters (CAS, arty and assault forces) can go in there and beat the fucking shit out of them.

          By fat the biggest opportunity up north is their command got captured early on. So now you've got all these company, brigade level commanders, captains, majors and stuff making decisions without much of a big picture. Russia doesn't do this well, its not in their training and overall command doctrine and hence all the chaos around Izyum and further north.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't want to amass too many troops in the same place.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine has a numerical edge so they're using it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're fixing the Russians on the west bank of the Dnipro and attriting them (although not without their own losses). This would be effective in its own right, but they also took advantage of the distraction to break the thin lines east of Kherson.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *east of Kharkiv

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukies talk about Kherson offensive for months
      >Russians resupply Kherson to prepare
      >Ukies attack Izyum instead
      >OHFUGG.png
      YOU ARE HERE
      >Vatniks withdraw from Kherson to reinforce northern front
      >Ukies take Kherson
      >meanwhile on /chug/

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        serbcucks are at it again

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do we have to bomb them again?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they deserve a bottle up their ass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Vatniks withdraw from Kherson to reinforce northern front
        That’s the best part, they can’t. The bridges are out and Ukrainian artillery is zeroed in on the pontoons and barges that Russia keeps trying to use.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can stay as long as you want, but you have to eat all the rockets

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I hope they are good swimmers, cuz they are not leaving otherwise

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia stupidly put all its best troops into one place that Ukraine could trap them in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its more difficult for Ukraine to mass forces since Russians do have an advantage in Artillery.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why do two offensives at the same time instead of focusing on one?
      they must sense opportunity for action

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kherson was blackhole to draw in a majority of the reserve in then blow the bridges maximizing supplies line stress and trap troops away from other areas where they would be useful for Russia.
        IE it was a unironic feint so they could concentrate and snipe shit with PGMs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Now Russia has no real reserves it can commit.

          I mean seriously, where? The Eastern front? They take units from there and they risk the Ukrainians pushing through.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kuriles and far east. Then the ukies that got deported there by Stalin declare secession and request to be annexed by Japan.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly Russia created a ton of "Ukrainian Separatists" within its own borders, lol. They brought a LOT of Ukrainians via "filtration".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To use video game terms, the max combat width in modern combat is very low. Tanks can reach so far, artillery is so accurate and destructive, airpower is airpower, etc. that you want your forces spread out. Even during an offensive there's a limit to how much force you can concentrate. The thing is that carrying out a strategic offensive is a massively difficult and complex undertaking. It would be reasonable to assume that, even if Ukraine wanted to carry out two strategic offensives simultaneously, they would not be able to. Russia seems to have made that assumption. Germany made the same assumption before Stalingrad, they thought the Soviets were going to attack the Rzhev salient. And they did, in a massive, bloody, and ultimately unsuccessful operation called Mars. Meanwhile, Uranus, the less equipped "secondary" offensive, achieved the greatest defeat of the Germans to that point in the war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why do two offensives at the same time instead of focusing on one?
      Izyum isn't an organized offensive so much as Russia shitting the bed when hit with a probing attack and Ukraine having a battle plan ready for if that happened.

      And really since both troop concentrations can be marooned by cutting bridges there's no real problem with doing both at once. Ukraine can retreat. The Russians can't.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russians have shortage of officers so their generals have to make decisions. For generals to make decision, they need info, which they can only reliably get from the frontline because they cant trust what their own soldiers are saying.
      Because of this, they have to send their generals, which gets them killed/captured, which means more chance of operational loss on Russian end of things.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine can now sit back and HIMARS them to oblivion

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >russians just piling materiel and troops until enemy runs out of missiles
      kek

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine this scenario:
    >R*ssians know they've been had
    >CYKA, rush Izyum!
    >Ukies press the Kherson offensive for real once the R*ssians left towards the North
    Hard to imagine something even funnier.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no bridges
      >R*ssians left towards the North

      No they won't.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean ... they somehow got down there late August.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean ... they somehow got down there late August.

        Taking their sweet time with ferries and pontoons.
        They're going to get HIMARS'd the second the Ukrainians see the Russians moving their across the river.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I love how this war has basically been an IRL retarded game of Foxhole, except one side is constantly being supplied and the other side has zero concept of Logi

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was has given me a renewed appreciation for the game

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine should start blasting the Russians with its national anthem at deafening levels.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how funny it'd be if instead of their own anthem they blasted God Save The Queen or The Star-Spangled Banner from humvees while assaulting enemy positions
      Think about the stories the surviving russkies would spread about something like that

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >God Save the Queen
        Naw for the Bri'ish one you gotta have a Mad Piper just for that extra wtf?

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