So assuming you're *pretty good* is it really possible to shoot down two F-16s with a Hind D?

So assuming you're *pretty good* is it really possible to shoot down two F-16s with a Hind D?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in DCS? yeah

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is it possible?
    afaik the only aa weapon the hind can carry is the 9M120, so only if the F-16 comes 5-6km into range of the helicopter, doesn't evade and doesn't use any counter measures.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      iirc the D model in terms of hardpoint weapons was identical to the A, no Shturms, Atakas or R-60s
      the only difference in weapons was the new 4 barrel MG and SALCOS for the Falangas instead of MCLOS, the Mi-24V was the model that initially got improved missiles

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole point of the operation was a diversion for Snake, so I assume they were configured for a ground attack and would just be carrying sidewinders, but even then they have a ridiculous advantage over a single heli gunship.

      it was in an arctic blizzard so visibility would have been awful

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the F-16 pilots forget that they have missiles and try to dogfight with the Hind then it is possible. In any other situation the Hind dies without even knowing what killed it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole point of the operation was a diversion for Snake, so I assume they were configured for a ground attack and would just be carrying sidewinders, but even then they have a ridiculous advantage over a single heli gunship.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well generally F-16s won't get much below 5,000 feet when going ground attack unless they're using moronic munitions, where they might go to like 500 to 1000. So you'd have to get very lucky with a missile, a gun isn't doing shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think they'd be able to safely fly that low in a blizzard, would they?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose it's possible the same way it's possible for you to go to grab something and all the atoms in your hand miss the atoms in the object and it phases through it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nanomachines son

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know, is it possible to disable an Abrahams as a lone infantryman with grenades?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In that case it was foxhound playing along to get snake to activate the nuke for them.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i always assumed that it was equipped with some fancy schmancy experimental missile since FOXHOUND gets the good shit, even my weapon-illiterate self called bullshit on that when I first played it

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's more about the f-16 being moronic

  9. 3 weeks ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    If the F-16s ROE required visual ID before engaging and the Hind was using ground clutter or terrain and was able to bounce the F-16s while they did a low pass to inspect Shadow Moses. apparently attack helos can absolutely dab on fighter jets if the Fighter can't see it. (J-CATCH study)

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There has only ever been one shootdown of a plane by a helo in history.
    The plane shot down was a prop plane from WW! and the helo was a UH1.
    It is exceptionally unlikely that it will happen again.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I find myself linking this a lot lately.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH
    Basically if fighters get low and slow with a chopper they are in serious danger, this is avoided by not being moronic.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US military did tests with helicopters vs fighter jets and they found that the ability for helicopters to stick low to the ground, then pop up and tag an aircraft, then go back down, made them extremely lethal.

    This test was conducted with Apaches though. I assume with a Hind D you'd see much less favorable results.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean frick. Lets just go with the modern answer. Can a Hind D carry an EO suite and aim9x block II? Yes. yes it can. That said, every modern aircraft will spot the Hind D and delete it unless its literally hovering on the forest floor awaiting it's golden moment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here's the test, I believe.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH

        Helicopters came out with a 5:1 K/D.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Considering what Kojima likes to go for with vehicle cinematics, Liquid would have made extensive use of terrain and weather to get the drop on the jets. He could also, perhaps, use some type of obscure, military-otaku-special decoy radar reflection, to spoof and lure the jets into that trap in the first place.

          Based

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            (me)
            Considering the animal motif in the game, maybe he would rustle up a flock of killer Canadian Geese and trick the F-16 pilots into mistaking their blob for him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm guessing they did stupid shit like counting it as a gun/missile kill if they came however close to the helicopter, nevermind the kinematics or reality of engaging a supersonic jet. This is also in the late 70s and radar has come a long way.

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