So, apparently Wagner has used Ukrainian uniforms and armbands to penetrate the headquarters of the 17th tank brigade and executed officers and soldiers with pistols with silencers, is this normal or could it be considered a war crime?
So, apparently Wagner has used Ukrainian uniforms and armbands to penetrate the headquarters of the 17th tank brigade and executed officers and soldie...
No different from non uniformed ukrainian spies/saboteurs
Russians?
Lying??
Espionage and perfidy have always been treated differently from the beginning of time.
>Espionage and perfidy have always been treated differently
Tell that to the CIA's guys who got executed in Iran and China last year because the CIA's opsec was shit.
Exactly anon.
Spies got found out so they were killed and business goes on as usual.
What if a CIA agent got found out dressing up in PLA gear and assassinating military personnel?
>What if a CIA agent got found out dressing up in PLA gear and assassinating military personnel?
My guess is he'd probably suffer less because he was always a foreign agent instead of one of your own betraying you. If you're a soldier betraying your own for money/citizenship from foreigners, that's worse than perfidy.
ok? we are talking about
>An act of perfidy is committed when a person invokes the provisions of the Geneva Conventions that are meant for the protection of persons, with the intent to betray, kill, injure, or capture an adversary.
Such as wearing an enemy uniform in order to kill them.
>It is prohibited to make use of the flags or military emblems, insignia or uniforms of adverse Parties while engaging in attacks or to shield, favour, protect or impede military operations.
>Nothing in this Article or in Article 37, paragraph 1(d), shall affect the existing generally recognized rules of international law applicable to espionage or to the use of flags in the conduct of armed conflict at sea.
>Ruses of war are not prohibited.
>Legitimate ruses include:
>use of spies and secret agents;
>Wearing enemy uniforms or civilian clothes to infiltrate enemy lines for espionage or sabotage missions is a legitimate ruse of war, though fighting in combat or assassinating individuals behind enemy lines while so disguised is not, as it constitutes unlawful perfidy.
>It is prohibited to make use of the flags or military emblems, insignia or uniforms
how the fuck does this even work now that everyone wears fucking multicam or shit that looks almost identical unless you're standing right front of it
neon tape
>it's real
warfare will unironically become like this as sensor tech makes camo irrelevant
Return to tradition
not only that, but this war is clearly proving that having 2 armies visually indistinct from each other causes far more damage and confusion than the negligible benefits camo provides
Assuming its even true, yes highly illegal by every concievable metric.
1) use of actual mercenaries
2) perfidy, use of enemy uniform for combat related tasks.
Wagner has it so good that the country they're fighting is generally civilized and would prefer to prosecute them than execute them.
Suppressors aren't banned by any international treaty.
Where did i fucking say that?
shut the fuck up
Good morning sir))
you should take english classes, thirdie
you will never be white pajeet
Brain-dead pajeet spotted.
>highly illegal by every concievable metric.
Yes the listed warcrimes, perfidy and use of mercenaries, were highly illegal by every concievable metric.
Execution also sounds like a warcrime.
Oof, ouch, yeah it does sound kind of warcrime-y 🙁
Executing war criminals is not a warcrime.
but anon
If you kill your enemy they win!
I can help the Russians win. All they have to do is stand in a line.
Not at all retard. You can do whatever the fuck you want to mercenaries if your one laws allow it. International ones don't care about them.
Since when were mercenaries illegal? They've been a staple of warfare for thousands of years.
Mercenaries are not strictly illegal in international law. Some countries have national laws making it illegal though.
The main part is that mercenaries do not have combat privilege. They can be tried as criminals for doing things a combatant normally does.
That presupposes that Wagner is actually a mercenary group when pretty much everyone is aware that they're a state actor using state funding and resources.
My comment was on mercenaries as a concept. I agree that Wagner probably would not qualify as a mercenary group.
They should qualify as future politicians
When you think that Russia can’t become any shittier, just imagine a Wagner state with Count Prigozhin leading his horde of vory thugs as ministers, generals and deputies.
Implying Putin's regime isn't the same. They just put mask of "normalness", but under the mask... Prigozhin exists because Putin wants him, but people due to russians troll brainwashing cut him slack. Like there is no Putin's responsibility in anything, like he was "forced" to start war etc. Stop making Putin "innocent".
Oh, absolutely, it is a mafia state as of now and people like Prigozhin couldn’t exist without Putin’s blessing. It’s just that the sheer amount of internal violence could get even worse than it is now, now Russia at least tries to keep a very thin veneer of civilization in its internal matters.
As opposed to what? Most current deputies have records from the 90s.
>He might be a canibal pedo, but he fought for the motherland, so he is a hero and deserves to sit in the Duma
Oh, and since when - 1977.
The use of mercenaries in the decolonization wars in Africa got the international community to look at it differently.
The definition of "mercenaries" under international law is very strict and does not cover any random person who fights for money.
France has a whole army of mercenaries, anon.
Nah, the Foreign Legion is formally incorporated into the french armed forces. Doesn't fall within the definition of a mercenary according to AP I art 47.
Bullshit
This is.commando activity 101.
Its simply not believable because people.use digital id these days. Name and uniform.simply wont so
WW2 british commandos did wear german uniforms, yes. but they also wore british uniforms underneath. before they open first at german, they would shed the germany uniforms first.
yeah it's silly, but they legitimately did that back in the days.
Would have made a difference.
War crimes matter after wars are over. Not during.
The reason why a lot of Germans got away Scott free in the Nuremberg trials was because their defense successfully argued that allies did the same.
So yes, rules of engagement do matter. Now that Russia did perfidy, Ukraine can do the same and not be punished for it.
That's all war crimes really are "I wot do X until you do X first".
From that POV, in my eyes, it's completely fine for Ukraine to bombard Russian civilian infrastructure now. Russia did so first and thus opened themselves up for it.
I have yet to see any actual evidence apart from cope-posting following that video drop a few days ago. Do Ukrainians have no mechanism of identifying Wagner troops, or are they just incompetent enough to let randos walk up to their officers and execute them?
Anon you replied to: You're allowed to use the enemy uniform for espionage or transit related tasks but if fighting starts, you are forbidden from using the uniform.
Plus: spying can also get you a death sentence.
no different than any other fantastical vatnik story, like the assault on snake island or the pink barge that tried to land on the ZNPP
It's funny that even in their propaganda they're war criminals
>Look at me Marty! I turned myself into Pretzel-nig! Preeeeeetzel-nig!
Oh? Fantastical stories like the Ghost of Kiev? LMFAO
Rent free still even ONE YEAR LATER.
Still all in your head.
The Ghost of Kyiv is real, it still haunts vatniks to this day.
Make sure to close the closet door and check under your bed tonight, Vanya.
>30,000 dead to not even capture Soledar
>Now resorting to larping
lmao
>from 9k to 13k to 19k to 25k now to 30k
its ok by the end of january its gonna be around 150k
Anon, they are dying there every single day en masse.
yes i bet
You are worthless though so you’re betting is of equal value.
>mom i cant refute anything so im gonna insult him that wil show him for good!
Do Russians accept Serbians into their foreign legion?
The Order of the Holy Spoon
This sounds extremely fake
It's written by an Okrainian, what do you expect?
They're still trying to push the notion that the video where the two guys get gunned down only happened because the Russians were wearing Ukrainian uniforms. The Ukrainian shills are more obvious than Reddit transplants.
Private corps, means Vienna convention does not apply. US does the same with blackwater.
If Wagner is not a uniformed combatant they have no protections whatsoever and may be mutilated, tortured, enslaved, and summarily executed at Ukrainian discretion.
Yes
>source: Random telegram post
its over fellow roast piggies
Incel Smegma Balls has beaten us again
Michel Obama
>executed with silencers
This is how I know its fake and made up by no guns
moron actually think its like in the movies
>So, apparently
>So, apparently Wagner has used Ukrainian uniforms and armbands to penetrate the headquarters of the 17th tank brigade and executed officers and soldiers with pistols with silencers
Yes just like in le epic bond films
If that really happened there would be a video and it would be spammed everywhere on every thread just like the two dudes in the foxhole got dark souls rolled on.
>got dark souls rolled on.
The guy rolled out of the foxhole not on them.
Can i see any proofs?
How fucking stupid would you have to be to believe this retarded video game shit really happened?
Also, did Wagner get put in charge of online shilling recently or something? Everything from the last couple of days has been specifically trying to hype up Wagner.
They need new recruits, I bet some retarded thirdies will want to join the edgy call of duty PMC army to roll around the battlefield.
>Everything from the last couple of days has been specifically trying to hype up Wagner.
maybe prigozhin is trying to save face after wagner alone failed in bakhmut
Not shocking since that's what Russia loves to do
He owns the troll farms that are the 99% of 4chan
It's almost like there's a connection. HMMMM
Ah, that explains it.
Prigozhin allegedly owns troll farms. So he probably coordinated the attack with his shills to get noticed.
>did Wagner get put in charge of online shilling recently or something?
Russian shillfarms were prigozhin original business
Vast chunk of "russian mil bloggers" are in fact just prigozhins cocksuckers
ALL mil bloggers are pro-regime cocksuckers. They wind up dead if they’re not. In addition to aiding and abetting in one of the most evil and unjust wars in living memory, they’re also complete dumbasses, every last one of ‘em.
It’s more like the Prigozhin faction trying to preserve their prestige now that General Armageddon (who counts Prigozhin as a patron) has been relieved. The hard push (and associated temporary success) at Soledar had the same purpose.
Power struggle between Wagner and Russian military.
Prigozhin vs Shoigu
That's what general Armageddon getting replaced by gerasimov is about.
General Armageddon was team Wagner. Gerasimov is obviously with Shoigu.
That's why Wagner claims they captured soledar.
Russian military calls them out for lying and saying they didn't take soledar.
Prigozhin is trying to make a name for himself at the expense of Russian military.
Remember all those wagner videos blaming their failure at bakhmut on Russian military not giving them support?
Prigozhin is trying to save face at bakhmut with soledar and trying to blame bakhmut on Russian military.
Tourist
Didnt read
Recruitment drive, that's why they spam the wound soldier going home for R&R too. so the "wounded have barely a scratch" instead of being criples
like this https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/107j3s0/ru_pov_second_batch_of_soldiers_from_samara/
>How fucking stupid would you have to be to believe this retarded video game shit really happened?
Uhhh. Remember ISIS videos from Iraq when they dressed like Iraqi KGB and rolled around killing Iraqi officials?
Fedora, TIPPED
>Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!
as always, why hide source tg name? is it because its untrustworthy bs disinfo one?
wagner also claimed to have somehow broken out of kyiv the guy they executed on video with the hammer when he was actually just prisoner exchanged
they really try hard to exaggerate their reach
>So, apparently Wagner has used Ukrainian uniforms and armbands to penetrate the headquarters of the 17th tank brigade and executed officers and soldiers with pistols with silencers
That sounds pretty fucking based. Hope they have some GoPro footage.
..and then vatnik woke up.
reminds me that one canadian(?) twitter clown who larped as badass volunteer fighter for ukr.side. one of his stories was about infiltrating kherson on bicycles at night dressed as civies with supp.pistols
Completely justified given that Ukrainians have bombed Russian civilians throughout the war.
I doubt it.
Allow me to put it this way: if any were captured, they would not be subject to the protections guaranteed to prisoners of war.
Is it just me or is there some conflict between Wagner and the Russian Army? Wagner has been hyping itself up for some time and now even the Russian MoD denies some of their exploits and says it's actually them responsible for the recent success at Soledar while Wagner was busy bashing its head against the Brikhmut wall
Maybe the MoD is afraid Prigozhin is growing too powerful for them to control?
I think there is, yes. I'd call it less a conflict and more Prighozhin trying to angle for more power in or against the Ministry of Defense.
illegal, sure. but sounds kinda fake to be honest.
Isn’t this proving that video of 2 vatnigs getting executed in a hole wearing ukie uniforms was indeed friendly fire?
I bet you cried about the Russkie fed to pigs.
>N-noooooo! Not my based heckin choker mlem mlem Russians! Filthy hohol piggies!
Pfff, you mistake me for someone that cares about Slavs doing slavshit. Hohols and Orcs can go full castration mode on each other, idc. I just find the idea that something is illegal in war laughable. As a dictator I would never follow any of these gay guidelines. My troops would all wear civilian clothing, carry flame throwers and use hollow points. It’s war not fagfest be nice to each other.
Yes yes, very edgy.
Proofs or you're a brown skinned democrat voting moron gay
Yea but then ukies will decide to take no prisoners and firebomb Belgorod, you really want to play this game?
It's definitely a war crime. You should call the war police right away and report this!
Ever since the invention of warfare, perfidy and dressing up as the enemy has been the one thing that the enemy will retaliate with torture and mass murder of any prisoners related to the action.
Imagine being so retarded that you don't think this is bullshit. How many Wagnerites do you think speak Ukrainian at all, let alone without an accent?
Even if they speak the accent perfectly, they would have to know vocal passwords at at least 2 points AND not be questioned by someone wondering who the fuck are these complete strangers at our HQ
>So, apparently Wagner has used Ukrainian uniforms and armbands to penetrate the headquarters of the 17th tank brigade
yeah no they didnt. ANybody who has ever done the slightest of target protection/base protection in the army ever knows how fucking impossible that would be and how that perfidy would fail at the first checkpoint.
>is this normal or could it be considered a war crime?
Private corporations never signed those treaties. Checkmate Geneva Convention.
Illegal combatants are not protected by the Geneva Conventions. You may torture them, summarily execute them, and maim them at your discretion. You may also use things like hollow point ammunition and chemical weapons.
Geneva convention works both ways, if you want to work outside of it you're fair game for torture and execution.
This is not true. The ban on torture is customary international law, which applies to all states. If you "work outside the Geneva convention" you will be tried as a civilian criminal, to which the death penalty may apply depending on the jurisdiction. You cannot fall outside the scope of the GC in an armed conflict.
This reads like a mutt fever dream. Literally nothing of this is true.
>to which the death penalty may apply depending on the jurisdiction.
Pro tip: torture may apply depending on the jurisdiction. It's completely legal for state to torture civilians if state makes this legal.
Just like they took Soledar and killed 5k Ukrainians right? LMAO
things are made "illegal" in war to keep it from devolving into a pit of manmade horror beyond your comprehension, you /lgbt/-perusing gay
Wagner's fortunate they are fighting NATO-backed forces, because otherwise they'd be sodomized with bayonets and their heads left on spikes and it would be totally
>legal
Whats up with all the Wagner damage control? They got mogged that hard by volksturm?
They told everyone that they captured the whole of Solidar before it was done.
>Fagner pivots to Soledar
>Force there not sufficient to hold it
>Counter-attacks, Fagner rebuffs it
>Ukrainian reinforcements arrive
As of now it's still being contested as a result. Make no mistake it's brutal fighting and the Ukies are having a tough time of it. God willing they'll win through.
Two days of Wagner shitposting about destroying Ukrainians in Soledar. Turns out they achieved absolutely shit. Vatniks must be so fucking ashamed holy fuck.
I am almost sure that shame is terra incognita for them.
The 17th are at Kreminna, Wagner are not so this already sounds like bullshit. Also, a journalist was posting videos with the 17th just a few hours ago. Additionally, checking this on twitter all I see is a bunch of bot accounts copy and pasting the same few messages.
The version I heard was that a couple Fagnerites tried to commit perfidy, but instead got executed by their own mobiks.
>believing Wagner at all just a few days after they claimed to take Soledar(lol) single-handedly(lmao)
Retard
I guess you hoholshills are so used to believing random telegram and twitter posts you think everyone does the same.
The fucking hypocrisy of vatniks
>use every dirty trick in the book
>still doesn't make it into the mines and has to stage a photo
LMAO
Still havent recovered?
stop it, some poor mutt will pop a vessel
>video with 30 vatniks fucked by arty
>This is fine!
>video with 2 Ukrainians getting killed
>LMAO it's over for NAFO!
would such fagers count as non uniformed combatants ?
if that's what they are doing then every wagner soldier would face summary execution without complaint by me
War crimes do not exist
Shut up, hohol.
Just 2 more days of walking and camouflaged Wagner chads will walk into zelensky bunker and execute him with katanas
Just say 'Slava ukraini' on checkpoints, it's that simple
Neither you are the fentanyl laden steppe nog who wrote this larp have ever seen a silencer in real life, have you? Much less actually shot with one
How would you fight terrorists that use every action from a war crime book?
Declare a special military operation on them.
Ooh, pistols with silencers, just like HITMAN 47 wow these wagnerites are fucking hardcore elite speshul assassins I am completely demoralized now
(It shows how infested with tourists/shills this board has gotten because silencers don't do anything other than not fuck up your hearing completely)
While using enemy uniforms to trick the enemy is not allowed it does go on to state that Wagner managed to sneak through enemy lines undetected and assasinated them in their tents which means the uniforms played no role. Not a warcrime.
To be fair, we're not actually doing any of the fighting and Russia thought they'd win long ago. I think the goal of NATO is just to make it as painful as possible for Russia.
Your daily reminder that in the only documented instance of Wagner engaging US troops, the Burgers railed the Wagnerites without lube.
It's normal
source: was there when I got executed
Hohols are so dumb, jesus. EU/US spies are doing the same