So apparently ukies are using polish Grot riffle. Supposedly it has many flaws. How is it doing during current conflict? Is it as bad as they say?
So apparently ukies are using polish Grot riffle. Supposedly it has many flaws. How is it doing during current conflict? Is it as bad as they say?
scar like rifles are the future? i don't like them.
I'd say that it's more like an ACR: it's got QD barrels, the bolt release is similar, and the stock is definitely following the ACR's lead. The ability to convert between bullpup and conventional layouts is unique though.
Bolt carrier shape is nearly identical, yes it shares a lot of similarities to the ACR, far more than it does to the SCAR. However, you need a torque wrench to reinstall a barrel so I wouldn't exactly call that QD. (ACR QD barrel was a meme anyway and added too much weight for no benefit.)
QD barrels in general are a meme for any rifle that splits into an upper and lower.
They're honestly a meme in general, just switch rifles. No need for extra complexity, less accuracy, and barrels flying out.
The SCAR was an ACR copy, and an ugly one to boot. The future is bullpup now that they've been perfected. Something like the MSBS or MDRX. The MSBS is a great concept because it comes in both forms, so a sniper that doesn't need a shorter barrel can opt for the grandpa stock configuration.
the ACR was designed 2 years after the SCAR you fricking moron
>Supposedly it has many flaws
it does not
>How is it doing during current conflict?
it's doing great
>Is it as bad as they say?
no
also in polen costs 10% more than aero ar-15, grot 14.5 will be my next purchase
i'm going to be very clear.
i'm tired as frick of these wannabe SCAR and the fricking dumwits that keep making them in 5.56 only
like, motherfricker, the only SCAR people buy is the one in 7.62NATO, just fricking make it in 7.62NATO too but no, they keep shitting these overpriced AR instead, can't believe only the swiss got that through their skull
>like, motherfricker, the only SCAR people buy is the one in 7.62NATO, just fricking make it in 7.62NATO too but no
theres 7.62x39 version though hideous as frick, the 7.62N version is in the works
Bren 2
not available in 308 and i don't know why they refuse to sell it to civilian, i keep seeing it on their website but when i go to the gunshop no one has it and nobody can order it
>7.62N in the work
aaaaah finally, some good news
there's also SKW-25, i was told they might start selling it next year, but it's more gucci than grot, more like MCX
https://www.zmt.tarnow.pl/wordpress/item/samopowtarzalny-karabin-wyborowy-308/
also 5.56 version
https://infosecurity24.pl/bezpieczenstwo-wewnetrzne/tarnowski-karabinek-mws-15-wychodzi-z-cienia
interresting, thanks for the link i'll keep an eye out on that
first, sorry i thought you meant 762x39
second, if you that desperately want something in 762 NATO, don't expect it to be the size of modern assault rifle, get an old FAL or G3 or something those things are actually good still
third, Bren 2s are deffinetly sold to civilians in both 556 and 762 soviet. Your gun brokers are just idiots. But then again, i'm from chzech, so brokers here dont have to bother with inport/export shit. They are at around 2 553 EUR straight from CZ-UB and other brokers i just googled. In USA they are sold at around 2000 dollars, altho those are pistol version or whatever the frick that abomination is.
bren 2 can be found in 5.56 and 7.62 soviet here, it's only 7.62NATO that is not available and i don't mind the size of the rifle.
so my option is only the APC308 from B&T or get an imported SCAR-H for 10k€ from switzerland, and no i don't want to hear about the robinson arms XCR that shit is just an overpriced AK
why not just buy an ar-10?
i kind of wanted something else than the AR stuff and i own enough cold war era weapons, so i've decided to get something more "tactical" for the sake of it.
man, if you just want 762NATO and a modern rifle so you can slap stuff on the rails and the accesorry there are other oprtions than SCAR
GAP-10 G2
BDR-15
Remington 700 PCR
to name a few
>Remington 700 PCR
are you fricking moronic?
gotcha but i wouldn't wait for grot 7.62N, it might come next year or in 2030, who knows
>are you fricking moronic?
what, they sell version in 308, stop whining
for starters it's a fricking bolt action and that anon wants a semi auto
is it? i was going throug a catalong with siluetts only
whatever, sorry
These wannabe scars are for people replacing AKs but fell for the propaganda that the AR-15 is unreliable
>fricking make it in 7.62NATO
Fricking this. Some of them are good designs too but they only come in that mouse hunting caliber.
Have fun breaking your gun shooting steel, not having a functioning gun if you don't douse it in lube, and clearing your unique AR15 brass over bolt malfunctions.
>it does not
kek cope, fatfrickpatches anon uses it and he said it's awful.
>fatfrickpatches anon
opinion discarded
polsih mil equipmn? any good??
"Polish" military equipment is just foreign military equipment, sometimes built under license.
It had many flaws when they first gave them out to the TDF apes to find ways to break it.
It's on third or fourth revision now and it's perfectly serviceable AR-18 clone.
This war is full of unicorn guns on the Ukranian side. Here's a FN2000 from the ongoing offensive.
all the states and manufacturers are literally dumping all their old inventories
it will be so much fun for gun historians to trace those guns, kind of like everyone send everything they had to russia during WWI and from there to every satelite state around the world during cold war
kind of like finding StG 44, captured by soviets in germany, send to vietnam as military aid, captured by americans from vietkong and brought to USA (true story that one)
>f2000 in ukraine
its just like my video game 🙂
One could probably loot some cool shit and ship it back. I'm sure lots of it will go missing or be sold after the war is over. Make note and be ready to get your near equipment. If I were a eurogay I'd drive over there and see if any hohols wanna sell their now unneeded guns when the war ends.
Truly we have ascended STALKER tier levels
>Grot
>another company using Ukraine for field trials
I am shocked
company using Ukraine for field trials
grot was fielded a couple of years ago in polish territorial defense forces, 40k rifles in service
you're right sorry I should have phrased it as combat trials.
It's ok, and it's doing ok. Ok?
They're using everything they can get their hands on from the West. Some of it is nice shit too. I'm pretty sure these are some Desert Tech guns our special forces were testing out.
I really wanna know what happened to that shipment of keltec bullshit from the start of the war.
>Actual war
>375 CT
Oh I really do hope this catches on. 338 is a subpar outdated round.
338 Lapua is outdated?
This is all likely stuff that our special forces has tested and doesn't need anymore.
M8 it took 40 years for the army to move on from the 5.56 shitfest.
SF have used it, but the marginal improvement (40% extra effective range) is hardly worth justifying full rearmament.
Generally, they either use the 338 they already have or a 50 bmg.
There's Luke 8 different .338 rounds, please specify. I'm assuming you mean Lapua because it's one of the SF sniper calibers. It has excellent ballistics and achieves what it's designed for, but the best all around remains .300 win mag due to lessened recoil compared to .338 Lapua, .300 Norma mag, and .338 Norma mag. That's what closeted homosexual child killer Chris Kyle used, for what it's worth. Mainly I think nobody wants to lug around the heavy ass rifles needed to shoot .338L or .50BMG, that's a big consideration. .300WM already shoots as far as the modern scope can see, why carry more weight?
>already shoots as far as the modern scope can see
And honestly most designated marksmen are just using .308, because it achieves the above. But when someone really wants to reach out, stay shooting flat, and cut wind drift, it's either .300WM or .338 Lapua they go with if they wanna carry that heavy ass rifle around.
Why 338 norma > lapua, really? I'm uninformed but I thought it was generally preferred due to not needing as big an ejection port or something..
They are uninformed or poor fanbois.
338LM is the caliber of choice when stepping down from a 50.
There is really only 1 useful 338 and thats the LM. I am not even going to go through why the modern scope can see further than 1400 yards, and why 2000 yard shot happen OFTEN.
I wouldn't worry about it, they're both $5 a round. For Special forces obviously thay doesn't matter, but for a civilian that's extremely important to how much they can actually train and stockpile. 300WM is around $1.50 a round and reaches out as far as you'll need to touch.
Yeah I don't need to shoot that far and neither do you. If you want to, go join a war and be a big bad sniper with this immense amount of knowledge you have. I'll keep worrying about civilian practicality only.
Nobody talked about war conditions. If you don't want to shoot far that your choice, but it is beyond the point. Go shoot a 5.56 with a reddot, who cares? Civilians don't have practicality for anything except maybe a pistol. If you are talking about SHTF I guarantee you, you want to be as far as possible. If you are talking about hunting, the same goes.
I'll buy a satellite railgun then.
>338 is a subpar outdated round
The contrarianism on you morons gets more and more moronic everyday. Post guns
>338 is a subpar outdated round
what in the cherry blossom frick are you talking about
just let the germs fix it
>just let the germs fix it
let them fix their anus first