Snubnose .38 Ammo

>buying a jacket-pocket gun
>reading about snubnose ammo
>turns out nearly nothing meets FBI penetration standards
>but 148gr wadcutters do
>some JHP +P stuff does, but doesn't expand anyway.
>semi-wadcutters are all loaded hot as frick because they're the worst of both worlds

and:
>popular tests are done in clear gel, so in reality they must penetrate 15.6" just to match the 12" in FBI gel (found some tests across both and confirmed a lot of the info on snubnose JHPs is wrong)

Am I moronic? They really haven't made a better bullet for these guns in a hundred years?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy balls is that a real toy gun? I would have been good for a whole year to get that at christmas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have one, it kinda sucks ballistically but it’s a decent prop. They have different barrel lengths, surprisingly

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I did the same research you have 2 real options.
    135gr speer gold dot +p which was what the FBI used for a while or the underwood 100gr Xtreme Defender +p

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whats wrong with SWC hardcast 158gr +P loads ?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lot of recoil out of a light gun if you want good expansion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Poor expansion out of a 2" barrel.
        If you use soft lead you'll get expansion even without +p but more barrel fouling I am not sure if anyone makes soft lead factory loads anymore.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >more barrel fouling
          doesn't fricking matter for the 5 or 6 bullets that might save your life, and you can just find a jacketed load that shoots to the same POI for training
          >I am not sure if anyone makes soft lead factory loads anymore
          the aforementioned buffalo bore 158gr lswchp. it's the real deal

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At the ranges you would typically employ a snub POI shift between loads is pretty irrelevant.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's time to acknowledge a few things here.
      >FBI penetration standards
      Kind of arbitrary, not really applicable to self-defence. You're not likely to be shooting at cars and you aren't a fed.
      >doesn't expand anyway.
      Expansion is mostly limiting overpen. If that's not happening, why are you worried about it. Consistent results are more important.
      >semi-wadcutters are all loaded hot as frick because they're the worst of both worlds
      Those are bear loads my dude.
      >haven't made a better bullet for these guns in a hundred years
      If it ain't broke don't fix it. There has never been a complaint about .357 lethality.

      https://i.imgur.com/UeQEppq.png

      check this out
      https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/

      the FBI solved the .38 problem long before they got lost in their own butthole analyzing ballistics gel tests. soft lead, semi wadcutter, hollow point, 158 grains, and extra spicy. none of the big boys load it right for a snubbie anymore (remington's load is the closest and it only expands consistently out of a longer barrel) but buffalo bore's "standard pressure" load (a +p in all but name) still packs that old-school wallop

      Poor expansion out of a 2" barrel.
      If you use soft lead you'll get expansion even without +p but more barrel fouling I am not sure if anyone makes soft lead factory loads anymore.

      https://i.imgur.com/HsXDDNa.gif

      Penetration and shot placement are all that matter. Wadcutters have a wide, flat meplat so they will cut clean holes in tissue and will penetrate like crazy with a bullet of the proper hardness.

      10/10 would bet my life on.

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  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's time to acknowledge a few things here.
    >FBI penetration standards
    Kind of arbitrary, not really applicable to self-defence. You're not likely to be shooting at cars and you aren't a fed.
    >doesn't expand anyway.
    Expansion is mostly limiting overpen. If that's not happening, why are you worried about it. Consistent results are more important.
    >semi-wadcutters are all loaded hot as frick because they're the worst of both worlds
    Those are bear loads my dude.
    >haven't made a better bullet for these guns in a hundred years
    If it ain't broke don't fix it. There has never been a complaint about .357 lethality.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kind of arbitrary, not really applicable to self-defence. You're not likely to be shooting at cars
      The specified distance is are neither arbitrary nor have jack shit to do with shooting at cars. You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about. Be quiet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        according to the fbi neither did john moses browning

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.brassfetcher.com/Handguns/38%20Special/38%20Special%20Ammo%20Selection.html

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    38 special HST with the bottomless hollow point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you still find those anywhere? I got like 5 boxes of them for super cheap back when Walmart stopped carrying pistol ammo years ago, haven't seen any since covid ammo shortage started. The .38 HSTs now have a more traditional HP, they look like the .38 Hydra Shoks from the 90s.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I still have a box from when I carried a S&W60.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    check this out
    https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Huh. The 130gr micro HST is not on there, and the 129gr Hydra Shok has been added. Shame federal did away with the only decently performing .38 load and replaced it with yet another HP that doesn't expand.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wtf happened here fellas

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the FBI solved the .38 problem long before they got lost in their own butthole analyzing ballistics gel tests. soft lead, semi wadcutter, hollow point, 158 grains, and extra spicy. none of the big boys load it right for a snubbie anymore (remington's load is the closest and it only expands consistently out of a longer barrel) but buffalo bore's "standard pressure" load (a +p in all but name) still packs that old-school wallop

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oops try this one again, st paul took quite a few goes with ye olde .38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ru1SldF5BM

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just go with soft lead bullets

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    38 special is among the highest rated bullets for one shot incapacitation. Never let anybody tell you 38 special isn't enough.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Penetration and shot placement are all that matter. Wadcutters have a wide, flat meplat so they will cut clean holes in tissue and will penetrate like crazy with a bullet of the proper hardness.

    10/10 would bet my life on.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >manlet's last stand

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like how he was that "why do white people look at me like this" face.

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