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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Um, have you ever heard of a katana?? Obviously not.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well obviously besides katanas anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They're posture is awful.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your orthography and lack of explanation are just as awful.
          Regardless, they're not even facing each other. This is one of the well known "tricked" scene of jidaigeki, but still the scenography and how they manipulated the actors is nice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        High blood pressure kills

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All katanahomosexuals need to seppuku. Tamahagane is weak shitty steel. A katana is a cope sword.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they get mogged by rapiers

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. It was hyper optimized for gentlemen to EDC and win duels. If you had to 1v1 someone with a rapier or even just something older like a hand and a half sword you would probably get fricking raped.
    Basically the sword equivalent of a pocket pistol.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. it's a fashion accessory that rich nonces could also duel with

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So rapier guy beats smallsword guy the vast majority of the time all other things being equal?
      I knew the reach was longer for the rapier but ofter hear it can be a bit weighty for a one handed sword.
      Whats the best sword for fight another guy with a sword with? Assume little to no armor and that your opponents weapon will be a randomized sword from across history.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rapiers aren’t anymore weighty than most swords were during its lifespan. Imagine if you took a medieval arming sword and stretched it out so it was longer but thinner. That’s what a rapier is. Comparatively, yes, this is heavier than a small sword by no small margin but if you are strong enough to swing a saber or an arming sword you can absolutely manage a rapier.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >weight
          homie please. The issue is torque

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Whats the best sword for fight another guy with a sword with?
        In most cases probably a rapier. They were weapons of war and they were very popular swords in their day for foot soldiers.
        They can cut (not nearly as well a saber or something) but they're optimized for thrusting and offer a massive reach advantage that gives the user a very good chance of just skewering someone with a shorter weapon before they can get close.
        It wasn't uncommon for rapier fencers to have a dagger in their off hand that they could use to either parry another weapon or stab if the opponent managed to close the gap.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >They were weapons of war and they were very popular swords in their day for foot soldiers.
          No they weren't. There were cases of people bringing rapiers with them into war, but their use as a dueling weapon eclipsed their use in warfare. There were never as popular as something like a saber on the battlefield.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        More a case of the rapiers are fugghueg things, not necessarily really weighty but they have a bit of mass. Its mostly just the bulky factor like walking around with a full length broomstick tied to your belt, as was fashion in the day, and trying to not get tangled up in the fricking thing just getting through a door or hopping in a carriage
        Smallswords are more convenient in that sense, easier to live with on a day to day basis and they're still going to kill motherfrickers if you stab them good enough

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        After all, in a duel if both sides are lightly armored or unarmored all that matters is being able to stab the other guy first and that's what the rapier was designed to do. It's a duellist's weapon. Nobody carried what we think of as the rapier in battle, anybody claiming so is just playing games with words and etymology.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Military rapiers existed on battlefields. At least one king wielded one during the 30 Years War. They cut pretty goddamn well despite being "designed for thrusting". Precursors, such as long, thin bastard swords or estocs were also used in battle.

          Hell, the US's last "calvery saber" is a damn rapier.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >At least one king wielded one during the 30 Years War.
            Yeah, like I said, word games.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You don't know what games are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Nobody carried what we think of as the rapier in battle, anybody claiming so is just playing games with words and etymology.
          Right, so you just define rapiers as not being for war since that's what your pre-conceived notions tell you, and then just dismiss any claims to the contrary with a barely glorified "nu-uh!" I can't but help feel that you don't actually care about old weapons, but is instead just here to shitpost. If not, maybe try to learn what rapiers were and what people used them for instead of just going with an ad populi appeal based on the same populi that still think a full armoured knight needed to be winched into the saddle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think the rapier is like twice as long.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But three times the weight, does that even out though...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Whats the best sword for fight another guy with a sword with?
        >but ofter hear it can be a bit weighty for a one handed sword.
        Problem of bad reproductions

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    yes

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, rapiers we’re pretty much peak dueling sword. Smallswords were developed for convenience and fashion reasons, not because they were actually better for fighting.

    Compare it to carrying a compact pistol vs a full size duty pistol. More people carry compacts now, but that’s for convenience not because they’re better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >not because they were actually better for fighting
      Once swords were replaced by bayonets on the open battlefield then rapiers found themselves to be sub-optimal for the sorts of non-battlefield situations where you might need to defend yourself (ex. streets, alleys, courtyards). In those environments, the smallsword was significantly better at fighting than the rapier.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Once swords were replaced by bayonets on the open battlefield
        By the time this happened rapiers were extinct by a few hundred years.

        Military rapiers existed on battlefields. At least one king wielded one during the 30 Years War. They cut pretty goddamn well despite being "designed for thrusting". Precursors, such as long, thin bastard swords or estocs were also used in battle.

        Hell, the US's last "calvery saber" is a damn rapier.

        >They cut pretty goddamn well despite being "designed for thrusting"
        Cutting better than expected =/= cutting well

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How about you eat shit? Rapiers were absolutely in use in the late 17th century, they can cut perfectly well and were only replaced by a shorter version of them in most armies.

          >They were weapons of war and they were very popular swords in their day for foot soldiers.
          No they weren't. There were cases of people bringing rapiers with them into war, but their use as a dueling weapon eclipsed their use in warfare. There were never as popular as something like a saber on the battlefield.

          >but their use as a dueling weapon
          Rapier is not a dueling weapon, epee is one. Rapier is perfectly fine as a military sword even if it was developed for unarmored fighting.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >late 17th
            Bayonets didn't completely replace swords until the 20th century.

            >Rapier is not a dueling weapon
            But they were significantly used more for dueling and non-military use.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >In those environments, the smallsword was significantly better at fighting than the rapier.
        Dude. Reach is the king in non armor combat. Rapier wins.
        Rapier decline was because of monarchs stomping against brawling and dueling on one hand and on the other hand dueling developing in the direction of use of similar weapons, no more sword fighting minmaxers.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's gay as frick.
    >but muh dueling
    Duel with pistols like a man. Sword duels are for homosexuals. I want people to DIE when I duel them, none of this to first blood shit. I'm fricking mad. Try to frick my wife behind my back? Now I'm going to kill you, and when I get home I'm gonna knock that prostitute's teeth out with a candlestick. But before that I'm gonna watch you slowly die on the field of honor. You'll die in agony.
    Or you kill me first. Then I don't have to deal with you Black folk anymore. Have fun with my wife btw, I already kicked her down a flight of stairs and beat caned her half to death before I got here. She's traumatized now homosexual. She'll never touch you again after what I just did. HAHAHAHAHA.

    And also I'm going to haunt you. Just for fun. Toodles Black person.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The whole reason pistol duels became popular was because it made things equal between the fit and unfit. Also 90% of the time both parties fired in the air and left which is even gayer than first blood. Never mind the fact that the terms are set before the duel. If the duel is to continue until death or incapacitation that was an option both parties could agree to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As the offended party you decide whether to take it further than first blood

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    yes

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    yes

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    yes

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This movie still has some of the best fights with swords when it comes to emotional tension and the stupid gritty realism of being instantly disabled by bladed weapons.

      I can enjoy Tiger&Dragon stuff, but The Duellists still sit comfortably on top at its own place.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, but you can't do much better than this for something that's lighter than a bowie knife.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They were the Glock 17 of swords.
    >Simple.
    >Reliable.
    >Easy to use and maintain.
    >Surprisingly rugged.
    >A simple, easy and practical choice for casual carry and general life.

    Other swords are selectively better in circumstances, with training and the like. But a smallsword is all-around a good sword.
    Remember, all swords hit just as hard as each other. It being 'small' doesn't make it cut less.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Remember, all swords hit just as hard as each other. It being 'small' doesn't make it cut less.
      It couldn't cut because of the triangular blade...
      It was a very nasty thrusting weapon though, granted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Remember, all swords hit just as hard as each other. It being 'small' doesn't make it cut less.
      No they don't and yes it does.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I never 1v1 someone unless I can throw rocks at them while I run away.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1v1 unarmored rapier and dagger takes everything

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anything you can carry on the belt maybe.
      Because greatsword, halberd or partisan win vs onw handed sword.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rapiers generally outperformed smallswords. Smallswords came about as swords lost importance to pistols.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Wondering about a character design choice
    >See if there's a thread for swords so I can ask about rapiers
    >This thread
    How convenient

    Basically the character's 'theme' is air or the sky, in a setting with magic (so everyone uses swords just because they can). Considering having a one-handed light-ish sword would fit his style best, rapier it is?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rapiers aren't light. Many of them were blade heavy since they had the point of balance way out in front of the guard. Couple that with the fact that you rapier techniques have you hold the blade out extended from you. Shit's tiring.

      The idea that rapiers are airweight swords meant for women and nonces is solely a product of D&D mixing up rapiers with smallswords.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Smallswords are an option. If you want something with an elegant profile that is light and capable of cutting as well as thrusting, you may want to look at Chinese Jian.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jian
      A very slender example
      https://lkchensword.com/scarlet-sunrise

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. They were optimised around looking nice and not being too annoying to carry around all day as status symbols. A rapier would beat one any day in actual combat.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are still very attractive objects, though.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's some pretty bluing

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I miss the Higgins Armory

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >effortlessly bats your sword away and strikes you repeatedly from triple your reach
    No, its like asking if a 32acp pocket pistol is the ultimate weapon. Learn the difference between battlefield weapons and edc weapons.

    They are cool though

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    yes

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How does it fair against the modern day shortword

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not one man or boy in this thread has even seen someone so much as pinked with a smallsword or knows why they were the master of all until pistols were commonly carried. Fatter than you can blink in you and there's you with your stupid ugly pointless met cleaver. From extorting prostitutes to gaining gambling monies this was how it was dene the small sword because a trained man with it had no rival and several together could do as they like. Not one of you has ever seen one at work or known anyone who carried one. Hundreds of years brought forth the perfect sword, all others stayed on ONLY for the man on horse to make the cut, A rapier? I see that we should charge at windmills like don Quixote with our ancient heavy spear? But windmills do not pink you back in a blink.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the .38 j-frame of swords. Definitely not the best but handy and easy to carry.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no reach

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    yes

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. A montante in the hands of a skilled wielder would frick up somebody armed with any other type of sword as long as the battle isn't taking place indoors.
    This includes rapiers. Somebody armed with a montante already has a reach advantage on you, and that reach advantage becomes even more pronounced because, if he's smart, he'll stay at range and focus on damaging or bending the point of your rapier whenever you step in to attack. As soon as he's able to do that, you're fricked.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're an idiot who can't fence and knows nothing about swords, like every poster who said anything other than the small sword is the finest sword ever made for self defense or use on foot, demanding skill and taring, yes and then without equal. The pinnacle of the evolution of the sword prior to the gun arriving.

      Rapier lack stopping power so saber is better

      Who asked for your worthless opinion? A smallsword is not a rapier, a rapier is a long cumbersome item a sabre is primarily for use on horse and painfully slow next to a small sword which has a wickedly sharp tip that runs though a body with the slightest pressure.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Small swords came around centuries after guns

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    >There is a Spatha probably of the 5th century ce found at Steinbrunn in Burgenland (Austria) in 1965. [...] . Surprisingly, the carbon content was higher in the centre, suggesting that this was made by forging several pieces of metal together [...] the smith became confused and got the better steel in the centre rather than at the edges.

    Master crafted roman sword obviously

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shill me on a blade to buy bros
    >can be used around a campsite for clearing shit
    >can be used to chop wood if needed
    >can be used to dress animals
    >handles well
    >can be used to defend yourself from lunchtime rowdies

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why can every dick cut thru ur mums panties and frick her like the dirty bawd she is except for any white man?

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rapier lack stopping power so saber is better

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it the best 1v1 sword bros
    Yes

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    An halberd
    >n-not a sword
    don't care, perish.

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