Small Arms in Ukraine: Vepr-12

Veprs are starting to show up in ukraine. This is the first month they have really started to appear in large numbers. Some are old molot stock, and some are new "hammer" stock. They are part of the russian MOD's effort to centralize control over CUAS placebo, though the scope of the plan for spamming them is unknown. It seems like a substantial portion of the golfcart gangs are being equipped with them.

This post is mostly to give collectors a heads-up about a new angle on hard to get gun (import banned and so on).

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A russian post discussing a russian soldier interviewed about his vepr, in autotranslation: https://files.catbox.moe/tu9pju.mp4

    >The troops began to receive Vepr smoothbore carbines in 12/76 caliber to combat drones.

    >I have already written that I consider hunting drones with this type of weapon futile. Targeted shooting with shot/buckshot is carried out at a distance of up to 50 meters.

    >If we talk about planes (Mavics, [A]utels, etc.), then it will never come within shooting range of you, unless of course the operator is a fool.

    >Letting an FPV kamikaze come within 50 meters of you (namely, this type of drone is the most dangerous) is generally suicide.

    >So such a weapon may be fine for detonating anti-personnel mines, but not for destroying drones. There are cases of effective use of hunting rifles against drones, but they are isolated.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      (continued)

      Note that new-build Veprs under the Hammer brand are distinct:

      >Now a little about the weapon itself. Just three years ago, the VPO plant (Vyatsko-Polyanskoye Association) produced weapons of good quality. Then, through some murky schemes, the plant's owners changed and it began to produce products under the "Hammer Arms" brand.

      >Most of the old, experienced employees were fired, which, of course, affected the quality.

      >I personally use Molot-Armz products and with full responsibility I can say that in stock (out of the box) form it is a piece of shit that requires not just finishing with a file, but literally newly made parts. Don't ask me why I need such a weapon, I'm just curious as hell.

      >The video shows that the geniuses from Molot screwed a plastic rail for mounting sights onto a standard receiver cover. Obviously, with 12-gauge recoil, this design will not last long. There is no need to talk about the STP (average point of impact), it will change after the first shot, and after cleaning the weapon it will fly off into the sunset.

      >It turns out that the effectiveness of working against drones with such weapons, plus/minus, is the same as shooting down drones with a jar of cucumbers. In fact, the warrior in the video himself says that he has not yet won a single trophy. Let's wish him good luck.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > REAL russian made AK
        > utter piece of shit QC wise

        lmao figures

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Now a little about the weapon itself. Just three years ago, the VPO plant (Vyatsko-Polyanskoye Association) produced weapons of good quality.
          >Then, through some murky schemes, the plant's owners changed and it began to produce products under the "Hammer Arms" brand.
          >Most of the old, experienced employees were fired, which, of course, affected the quality.
          Are you ESL or just illiterate?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are you an idiot? They said it right here,
            >A russian post discussing a russian soldier interviewed about his vepr, in autotranslation
            Its an ML translated post in Russian. Yeah its gonna sound fricked up. The Russian language is fricked up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and after cleaning the weapon it will fly off into the sunset.
        kek

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To date, the highest-profile use of a vepr in the context of drones would probably be this meme from Almaz-Antey:

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You gays repeatedly told me (auto)shotgun would be useless against drones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A halfway decent bot would work in a reference to the post's actual contents.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They are, auto shotguns are like wearing a bible over the heart; mostly for morale. You likely wont see recon drones and FPV kill drones are way to fast for any skeet trickshots. A vepr gives you a non-zero chance of hitting a drone, but its so close to zero it may as well be.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It turns out that the effectiveness of working against drones with such weapons, plus/minus, is the same as shooting down drones with a jar of cucumbers

        If they were effective we would see every single squad carry a fricking skeet shotgun by now

        The issue isn't with using shotguns as a concept, but the fact that in most situations they won't help because of the nature of how drones are used for the attack. A drone dropping a grenade from high up won't be visible and isn't heard. An FPV drone is usually heard/visible when usually it's already too late. Also, when they dance around on a dime - good like hitting them by a mobik, he'll just kill pidors around himself.

        So the problem is FPV drone is too fast and visible too late for any action to be taken.
        So how about some frequency scanner alerting squad that drone is nearby?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Already in widespread use

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It turns out that the effectiveness of working against drones with such weapons, plus/minus, is the same as shooting down drones with a jar of cucumbers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If they were effective we would see every single squad carry a fricking skeet shotgun by now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The issue isn't with using shotguns as a concept, but the fact that in most situations they won't help because of the nature of how drones are used for the attack. A drone dropping a grenade from high up won't be visible and isn't heard. An FPV drone is usually heard/visible when usually it's already too late. Also, when they dance around on a dime - good like hitting them by a mobik, he'll just kill pidors around himself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >drone dropping a grenade from high up won't be visible and isn't heard. An FPV drone is usually heard/visible when usually it's already too late.
        >source: my ass
        Why do you people just make things up? This is simply not true.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you are a moron. read accounts and if you are too dense to do that watch some grenade drop videos and count the seconds the grenade is falling

          here is another hint: vast majority of grenade drops the target is unaware before they are killed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The best weapon against FPV drones would either be a powerful water hose or some kind of automatic airgun with a huge magazine. It'll only work up close, but the purpose is to get as much shit into their air between you and the drone as possible, and even a single pellet has a good chance of bringing a small drone down.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >automatic airgun with a huge magazine
        beefed up high ROF airshit was suggested before and it might not be a moronic idea, they do have mags that hold hundreds of BBs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How about we bring back metalstorm.
          Unironically.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's already realized that 50m is too short of an engagement range for knocking down drones and your master plan is a fricking water cannon or BBs?
        Could you armchair morons consider that there are people actually in the shit with their lives on the line thinking about this all the time?
        >duh, maybe a frequency scanner?
        yeah welcome to an "innovation" from over a year ago

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You gays
      /k/ isn't one person, and I've been saying they're more effective than rifles for almost two years now. Albeit I rarely post.
      They're still shit, though. If the drone comes in at the right angle, that drone is still going to land within killing radius regardless of what you're shooting it with and detonate in your face, unless you're very lucky with hitting specific parts of the wiring (unlikely).
      As for other /k/ users, someone saying shotgunning drones is better appears in every bread, so it's not such an unusual position to hold.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >taking anyones opinion instead of research
      >on fricking /k/

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Subtitled

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >golfcart gangs
    Whats the point of golfcart gangs? Are they light enough not to trigger AT mines while providing some protection against AP mines?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Whats the point of golfcart gangs?
      Depends.

      In the US army its a way to give your AT sections lots of mobility so they can zip around behind the line of contact to deal with threats. Same idea as the hellcat in WW2.

      With the Russians, only God knows.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >In the US army its a way to give your AT sections lots of mobility so they can zip around behind the line of contact to deal with threats

        you saw that thread the other day, but I have to inform you that the squad mobility vehicle is actually getting used by the entire infantry brigade combat team not just AT teams....

        regular line squads also get the golf cart

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They have wheels and move. That's their point when you don't have enough vehicles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Whats the point of golfcart gangs?
      meat for the cube

      • 1 month ago
        Caius

        Spam for the Spam God. vidrel: a fairly representative golfcart mod https://files.catbox.moe/l1knbe.mp4

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FPV and drone drop videos fall into a couple of categories

    >guy walking along, turns around for half a second or tries to dive out the way. gets his legs blown off / head removed
    >guy walking along, VOG-30 goes off by his legs, falls over crippled
    >guy laying on the ground already wounded,or walking around lost and alone, gets gored by grenade after grenade

    and finally

    >FPV drone slowly circling a person just to taunt them before inevitably killing them

    the only time a shotgun would be useful is in the last case, and if the operator sees you are trying to use the shotgun it will just kill you instantly instead of taunting you

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    an actually effective weapon against quads (grenade drop and recon not fpv) is a rifle with sharp shooter ontop. this is the role that they're used in by IDF, dutch, and testing by US

    • 1 month ago
      Caius

      https://i.imgur.com/MuT1jLA.jpg

      British are also using them

      this is a lot better than a shotgun because you are still just as useful, if not more useful in the infantry fight. and this type of scope is leaps and bounds ahead of the stupid NGSW scope that soley gives you a hold for distance

      for a modern industrialized nation with access to microchips these kind of systems would be a no brainer

      Among western militaries, only the belgians have gone with shotguns for drones.

      Curiously, frog police (RAID) have been spotted with veprs.

      • 1 month ago
        Caius

        >Curiously, frog police (RAID) have been spotted with veprs.
        The french connection is interesting to me - anyone know why they use russian small arms?

        A french RAID waifu for your time.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    British are also using them

    this is a lot better than a shotgun because you are still just as useful, if not more useful in the infantry fight. and this type of scope is leaps and bounds ahead of the stupid NGSW scope that soley gives you a hold for distance

    for a modern industrialized nation with access to microchips these kind of systems would be a no brainer

  9. 1 month ago
    Caius

    2/4

  10. 1 month ago
    Caius

    3/4

  11. 1 month ago
    Caius

    4/4

  12. 1 month ago
    Caius

    An exceptionally rare example of a shotgun-on-drone kill in Ukraine: https://files.catbox.moe/79hbbw.mp4

    Note that russian viewers believed this clip to be staged, for reasons I didn't bother to look into.

    BARS-27 is a russian unit. The designation is new this year. The personnel are PMC Fakel (Gazprom).

    I imagine that posting this will not go unpunished by the SHOTGUNS FOR DRONES spammers. Nevertheless, information wants to be free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >PMC Fakel (Gazprom).
      This shit is getting to be so Neal Stephenson. Corporate armies battling it out. When IKEA?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Scratch that, we need Pepsi and Coca-Cola sponsored PMCs, to make the Cola wars a reality.

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