>slopes body armor >rounds now travel into throat/chin or abdomen
anon I think you're onto something BIG! You should start testing this immediately. On yourself. Make sure to start at a larger caliber to make sure it really works.
Crazy to think medieval people accidentally made their armor sloped before there were even bullets to protect against
Slopping was secondary product. Primary thing was to make bulge over stomach so user can bend in the waist.
Here video of interest
Slim breastplates need to sit high (just like rifle plates) or they dig into stomach when bending. Later starting with peascod breastplates appeared way around this problem. Breastplates flared around stomach, like to fit big belly. These flare provides space for bending.
Mostly because modern body armor is composite I assume. They won’t glance off objects like metal would.
The East German helmet was actually designed during WW2, using sloped design as a means to increase protection and use less material but was rejected by Hitler.
A ballistic sort of cuirass would be cool. Cost mostly. This May as well miniaturize composite/Chobham tank armor with plastics, steel, ceramic & whatever else and not be fussed with lewd armor bulges and slopes.
This is why they would put a ridge towards the top of the breastplate or wear a gorget in the medieval times. Looks like the front slope of a BMP. And yes I drew this shit picture instead of googling a real photo.
So I'm autistically thinking of these "medieval armor but modern thing" and this is what I came up with. >level 3A full helmet (internal headset) >level 3 chest + shoulder armor (saving weight) >level 3A thigh armor (for yer femorals) >soft body jacket and thigh cover for fragmentation. (with pads) >soft frag proof mitten (I saw a really bad video from Ukraine that made me think of this) >rigging on outside of armor.
Overall the average infantryman isn't worth enough for this, but I think it's cool.
Am I retard?
In general it's better to be able to hide behind something fast than being able to deflect 20% of bullets coming your way. Your armor has extrusions and weight which reduce mobility and situational awareness.
monolithic steel armor, maybe
but composite armor has a lot of sloped components in it
notice that pretty much every modern MBT has sloping on its turret
spaced armor takes advantage of the tendency of long rods to normalize against surfaces since it means it will impact the backing surface at an angle, the wider surface area it hits the main armor with reduces their penetration
ERA and NERA also only works when sloped, as it allows the flyer plate to feed more material into the path of the projectile
>posts a simulation that clearly shows high angling
> how to spot WoT retard. He uses word "normalize".
long rod penetrators turning towards the normal on angled surfaces is well known
but composite armor takes advantage of that by using multiple spaced arrays set at steep angles instead of a single block
>forced ack-meme >video shows another example of internal armor structured of modern tanks being heavily sloped >keeps bringing up WoT depsite a vast majority of shells in the game being full-caliber AP shells until tier 9
long rods do actually follow a path towards the normal of solid steel
but modern composite armor is not made of solid steel and is instead made of air gaps and NERA and steel that does heavily rely on angling to break up the rod
this is literally what the arrowheads on the ends of the leopard 2 do
the angling of the spaces steel segment causes the projectile to tumble slightly off course and hit the base armor at a less optimal path
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>long rods do actually follow a path towards the normal of solid ste...ACK!
Normalisation is nothing but Russian bias padding cope, chug.
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>another example of highly sloped armor on a modern tank
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>slopped steel plate doesn't count because... because... just because!
There is no normalisation. Round goes straight. Hole in the armor is not straight but I hear are different things. Hole is not straight because steel flows more in the direction with less rear support. So on top surface of the plate steel flows more on the top part, on the rear surface more on the down part, because these parts have less steel backing behind them. As result hole looks like "S", but this is just hole, rod path is straight.
Truth is "normalisation" was invented by Russians to pad stats of Russian rounds in WoT. Russian rounds pen less, but Russian went like " akshually on the slopped armor our rounds penetrate more because muh normalisation!" And they use normalisation excuse to pad numbers in their favor (especially for the blunt nosed full caliber AP). This is true story about "normalisation". And you ate this Russian propaganda (many such cases).
>wouldnt it work the same?
Well, let's see >Upward sloped: Bullets fly into your face >Downward sloped: Bullets fly into your feet >Sideways sloped: Bullets may fly into your arms if you're holding a gun or hit bystanders
Yuo are of genius OP
>how come sloped armor is used regularly on armored vehicles, but not body armor?
Manly men don't want to walk around wearing giant metal tits, nu-males don't have the upper body strength to support giant metal tits, and women want to avoid combat.
slopes are built into body armor, you can see it under a microscope
>slopes
We're not allowed to call them that anymore, the preferred term now is Chink
I see no one has given you any yous, so I'll do it. you could have made it funnier by stopping at 'were not allowed to call them that anymore'
There better not be any chink in my armour
we can slope body armor because it would stick out and be awkward and silly. instead, we need to slope the troops themselves
Troops are to be cubed. The cube god wills it!
retarded slide thread
What are we sliding, Very Important Ukraine threads?
>slopes body armor
>rounds now travel into throat/chin or abdomen
anon I think you're onto something BIG! You should start testing this immediately. On yourself. Make sure to start at a larger caliber to make sure it really works.
now travel into throat/chin or abdomen
You slope to the side, silly.
So like pic related?
Crazy to think medieval people accidentally made their armor sloped before there were even bullets to protect against
This armor is contemporary with early firearms. Also turns out sloping armor is also good for, like spears, and arrows and other piercing weapons.
You are all faget retards holy shit
>he had a chance to use "contemporaneous" but didn't take it
You don’t know shit about fuck
you are a worthless retard
Arrows and bolts existed
But it can deviate something like..a sword also ?
>...
I gotta give you credit that might be the worst shitpost ever. Pretty sure I got cancer just from reading that.
Honestly if you just had the front plate of this in a modern armor material how much would it weigh? Surely it's possible to make that.
Slopping was secondary product. Primary thing was to make bulge over stomach so user can bend in the waist.
Here video of interest
Slim breastplates need to sit high (just like rifle plates) or they dig into stomach when bending. Later starting with peascod breastplates appeared way around this problem. Breastplates flared around stomach, like to fit big belly. These flare provides space for bending.
Now you can't go prone without being rolled over 45 degrees to one side or the other
>plate carrier becomes a wedge carrier
regret to inform you OP but the armor of the tank is also the body.
doesn't work that way on humans.
>sloped body armour
>get shot
>bullet ricochets up into your face
Mostly because modern body armor is composite I assume. They won’t glance off objects like metal would.
The East German helmet was actually designed during WW2, using sloped design as a means to increase protection and use less material but was rejected by Hitler.
I am severly dissapointed in PrepHole for not having posted the image yet.
>fragments directed upwards
A ballistic sort of cuirass would be cool. Cost mostly. This May as well miniaturize composite/Chobham tank armor with plastics, steel, ceramic & whatever else and not be fussed with lewd armor bulges and slopes.
This is why they would put a ridge towards the top of the breastplate or wear a gorget in the medieval times. Looks like the front slope of a BMP. And yes I drew this shit picture instead of googling a real photo.
So I'm autistically thinking of these "medieval armor but modern thing" and this is what I came up with.
>level 3A full helmet (internal headset)
>level 3 chest + shoulder armor (saving weight)
>level 3A thigh armor (for yer femorals)
>soft body jacket and thigh cover for fragmentation. (with pads)
>soft frag proof mitten (I saw a really bad video from Ukraine that made me think of this)
>rigging on outside of armor.
Overall the average infantryman isn't worth enough for this, but I think it's cool.
Am I retard?
In general it's better to be able to hide behind something fast than being able to deflect 20% of bullets coming your way. Your armor has extrusions and weight which reduce mobility and situational awareness.
oh and my retard math says it should be 25-40 pounds overall for just armor
Just lean back.
Sloped armor became obsolete with long rod penetrators
monolithic steel armor, maybe
but composite armor has a lot of sloped components in it
notice that pretty much every modern MBT has sloping on its turret
spaced armor takes advantage of the tendency of long rods to normalize against surfaces since it means it will impact the backing surface at an angle, the wider surface area it hits the main armor with reduces their penetration
ERA and NERA also only works when sloped, as it allows the flyer plate to feed more material into the path of the projectile
>spaced armor takes advantage of the tendency of long rods to normalize against surfa ... ACK!
Pro tip: how to spot WoT retard. He uses word "normalize".
>posts a simulation that clearly shows high angling
> how to spot WoT retard. He uses word "normalize".
long rod penetrators turning towards the normal on angled surfaces is well known
but composite armor takes advantage of that by using multiple spaced arrays set at steep angles instead of a single block
>long rod penetrators turning towards the normal on angled surfaces is well kn...ACK!
World of Tanks and it's consequences was disaster for human race.
>forced ack-meme
>video shows another example of internal armor structured of modern tanks being heavily sloped
>keeps bringing up WoT depsite a vast majority of shells in the game being full-caliber AP shells until tier 9
long rods do actually follow a path towards the normal of solid steel
but modern composite armor is not made of solid steel and is instead made of air gaps and NERA and steel that does heavily rely on angling to break up the rod
this is literally what the arrowheads on the ends of the leopard 2 do
the angling of the spaces steel segment causes the projectile to tumble slightly off course and hit the base armor at a less optimal path
>long rods do actually follow a path towards the normal of solid ste...ACK!
Normalisation is nothing but Russian bias padding cope, chug.
>another example of highly sloped armor on a modern tank
>slopped steel plate doesn't count because... because... just because!
There is no normalisation. Round goes straight. Hole in the armor is not straight but I hear are different things. Hole is not straight because steel flows more in the direction with less rear support. So on top surface of the plate steel flows more on the top part, on the rear surface more on the down part, because these parts have less steel backing behind them. As result hole looks like "S", but this is just hole, rod path is straight.
Truth is "normalisation" was invented by Russians to pad stats of Russian rounds in WoT. Russian rounds pen less, but Russian went like " akshually on the slopped armor our rounds penetrate more because muh normalisation!" And they use normalisation excuse to pad numbers in their favor (especially for the blunt nosed full caliber AP). This is true story about "normalisation". And you ate this Russian propaganda (many such cases).
>wouldnt it work the same?
Well, let's see
>Upward sloped: Bullets fly into your face
>Downward sloped: Bullets fly into your feet
>Sideways sloped: Bullets may fly into your arms if you're holding a gun or hit bystanders
Yuo are of genius OP
>how come sloped armor is used regularly on armored vehicles, but not body armor?
Manly men don't want to walk around wearing giant metal tits, nu-males don't have the upper body strength to support giant metal tits, and women want to avoid combat.