Sleeping Systems

All this talk about gear and guns but not about this shit that will actually help you stay in the wilderness.

Observe if you will, the all time GOAT

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
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        Anonymous
  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These are great but the pricepoint makes people cringe. +$600 for a new one, or $300 for one that is used by a smelly Marine and stained with farts and cum and probably has holes in it.

    Contrary to LARPer belief, you're better off pitching a low tarp and using a basic sleeping bag + mylar or gore-tex bivy than one of these 4 parters. Most of the people on this board would die just from hauling around this much weight, not to mention everything else you need to carry to sustain yourself in a sub-zero environment. If you aren't regularly (like 3-4 times a week) training to carry a 70lbs backpack then these systems are a bad idea and your legs are gonna have a bad time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Most of the people on this board would die just from hauling around this much weight, not to mention everything else you need to carry to sustain yourself in a sub-zero environment

      Such is the life of never ruck no-serves.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        tbh most of the people who "served" are the worst, most obese offenders of all

        they're either pill-addicted fatasses with shot knees or they have muh PTSD and sit on disability all day leading to heinous weight gain and thicc juicy buttz

        whatever you think or know you can carry in warm weather, add another 40% for any cold weather environment. most of these homies don't even carry spare socks so a comfy sleeping bag is the least of their problems.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >MUH SERVED
        people have been camping and hiking for a long time you complete moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >people have been camping and hiking for a long time
          Not you, though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you don't have areas to camp and walk? must suck being you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You miltards never fail to make me laugh. The average boy scout after 3 years has over 100 nights in the field and goes farther, faster, lighter that you brown dropouts amd trailer trash.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you're better off pitching a low tarp and using a basic sleeping bag + mylar or gore-tex bivy than one of these 4 parters

      This is how I know you've never actually had to sleep in the cold. Also, the system is spread out so you can opt with just the woobie and bivvy if it's summer. You only carry the full set if you know it's going to be in the teens or below and if it does get that low you'll be glad you brought the full kit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cool, tell me more about me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're literally LARPing using other people's pictures from other threads lmfao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's my picture. They're all my pictures. Idk why you're sperging out like this.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Cute SKS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just bought the bivy cover off Amazon (they shipped Sportsman's Guide) for 130 + 7 bucks shipping. Had a small tear that got a quality repair, feels very tough. Where I'm at I can certainly get away with using that with a basic b***h Walmart sleeping bag.

      >you're better off pitching a low tarp and using a basic sleeping bag + mylar or gore-tex bivy than one of these 4 parters

      This is how I know you've never actually had to sleep in the cold. Also, the system is spread out so you can opt with just the woobie and bivvy if it's summer. You only carry the full set if you know it's going to be in the teens or below and if it does get that low you'll be glad you brought the full kit.

      This.

      Now question: Are the USMC compression/ stuff sacks better than the Army ones?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I should clarify during the spring/summer. Autumn/winter need a better sleeping bag. Should I get Army cold-weather bag?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No the Army sacks are better, they have more compression straps.

        The USMC waterproof bags are 100% superior, the Army one is more useful as a ruck liner, but the USMC bags are a better material, have a better closure system, come in 3 different sizes and can keep shit dry when the ruck is fully submersed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Most of the people on this board would die just from hauling around this much weight

      Wisdom^
      If I have shit to carry I have a vehicle to carry it from bicycles through crewcab trucks with trailers. I don't larp, especially as infantry. If I wanted that life I'd have chosen it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the weight and space it takes up is a big killer. I'll backpack appalachia in the colder months and try not to bring the whole thing unless I need to. Next time I go I'm gonna try the hot water in a nalgene trick cause my buddy does that and he says it works pretty well. The real issue I get is condensation in the bivvy, know any good ways to mitigate that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Observe if you will, the all time GOAT

      >probably not real down
      >no ground pad
      >no air mattress
      in what way is that the GOAT? it just looks like a lot of layers and weight as a way to apologize for cheap materials

      >These are great but the pricepoint makes people cringe. +$600 for a new one
      $600 is cheap for a sub-zero sleep system

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >not real down
        And that's a good thing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Contrary to LARPer belief, you're better off pitching a low tarp and using a basic sleeping bag + mylar or gore-tex bivy than one of these 4 parters. Most of the people on this board would die just from hauling around this much weight, not to mention everything else you need to carry to sustain yourself in a sub-zero environment. If you aren't regularly (like 3-4 times a week) training to carry a 70lbs backpack then these systems are a bad idea and your legs are gonna have a bad time.
      Here
      1x sleeping bag line
      1x light bag generic
      1x gortex brit bivy bag or similar
      1x cheap dome tent
      1x bundeswehr kip mat
      barely 6kg if that with a hot food and coffee set, navigation, comms and ifak maybe 15, 20-25 including weapon weapon related gear and a entrenching tool and nv and comforts. Set of gortex, parka thermals spare socks, hot water bottle, glowsticks, kneepads, trainers and shit like that and lbe and you will be at 25-30+ with kevlar and plates. If you want to keep normies useful anything much over 15-20 is pushing it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >1x sleeping bag liner

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe the only thing you're right about in this dumb post is that consumer-grade products are probably better than anything the military ever produced.

      Most Tier 1 guys I know don't use their shitty military gear for camping/hiking anymore except for some very specific exceptions, and the sleep system isn't one of them.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Won't you save more, both weight and money, by just buying a 4 season tent.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but a tent takes more time to set up/take down. Bivvys are nice because they just require you to roll them out and climb inside, virtually no prep work. They're as low profile as you are lying down, which most tents are not. They're arguably more durable too, most tents that are lighter weight are made of thinner nylons and PU coatings that don't resist moisture or abuse as well as heavy denier GoreTex bivvys. Plus a tent doesn't keep you warm, you still need a sleeping bag to go inside of it.

      There's definitely pros to using a bivvy but I found the ECWS was too bulky for what was actually needed. If you're in a non-permissive environment and it's thirty below zero the chances of you getting any sleep are almost nil, regardless of what bag you have. A GoreTex bivvy is good to have, but the military sleeping bags aren't really the best thing available. Better off pairing a GT bivvy with a high end bag from Marmot/NorthFace/MountainHardwear/etc. and just running a low tarp with a single ridgeline. Takes 60 seconds to set up or take down and it also acts as a windbreak and keeps your backpack dry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with a lot of those bags are that they are filled with goose down rather than synthetic like the military bags.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good point, don't get a down bag. Many have synthetic offerings now, and if you want a more traditional bag there's companies like Hotcore that make heavy duty synthetic stuff you can fit inside with full kit including boots. I've got a 400 and it's honestly an oven even in -20C weather.

          https://www.hotcoreproducts.com/products/sleeping-bags-and-pads/fatboy-400/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone who has slept through a blizzard or extreme cold, you want to be able to sit up, repack gear, heat water, the hike dictates the shelter but I can get through anything with water and good sleep. Tent and bag is not where I take shortcuts

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes but a tent takes more time to set up/take down.
        Sorry m8 you're tarded. no one needs pneumonia

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gentlemen...

    Observe...

    https://www.mountainhardwear.com/p/mens-absolute-zero-suit-1899101.html?dwvar_1899101_color=742

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are like little baby

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ... how do you take a piss or a shit wearing that?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He obviously did.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's what the containers on the legs are for

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This shit is exclusively if you're in Antarctica.

      Literally anywhere else besides maybe winter Siberia you'll die of a heat stroke.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.hotcoreproducts.com/products/sleeping-bags-and-pads/fatboy-400/

    Best I could find that's synthetic but it's a single big bag. The US military system is still the best if you want an All-in-One system that you can part out or leave some in your sack if it gets too warm.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So get two sleeping bags. Why would you haul around unnecessary weight if you don't need it anyways? The only good part about these systems is the waterproof bivy sac anyways, the rest are just generic sleeping bags.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because people live in places where the temp can fluctuate by 40 degrees. Also some people lift.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like cope and projection if you ask me, or someone trying to justify spending hundreds of dollarydoos on smelly used sleeping bag some soldier took a shit inside

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can buy them new

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              sauce and price?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.tennierindustries.com/sleep-systems/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >$805+tip

                Black person are you serious

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's the entire autism package. You can just buy it separate.

                A lot of the price comes from the construction (by far the toughest/most reliable sleeping bag I've ever used) and them being the de-facto MIC US sleep system contractor for the past 40 years.

                Just buy the stuff you need separate and leave out the bells and whistles.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You realize most civilian bags and sleep systems that are built to the same temp ratings while retaining the same quality and packability cost around the same, right

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah you've clearly never bought anything other than a Coleman.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                return to reddit right now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically just as good.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >coleman
                >any sort of "good"
                Tell me you haven't gone camping in 10 years without telling me that you haven't been camping in 10 years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I've camped more times than you've had hot breakfasts.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                In recent history, yes. Because I don't eat breakfast.

                Why do you talk like a redditgay is this board run by the feds too?

                All of PrepHole is run by feds now.
                And I've been here since 2009.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you talk like a redditgay is this board run by the feds too?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Have you never priced out high end sleeping bags n shit? You're not just buying 1 bag dude

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                high tech camping shit that is that expensive is going to be way warmer and a lot lighter
                military gear is all about scamming tax money not making good products
                the tent the army uses has like a 3500 dollar cost per unit and its worse than some walmart kelty tent

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Could be vet bias but seems great to me.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mountain Bag my beloved...

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate the way camping people call everything a fricking "system".

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-48-in-x-25-ft-Double-Reflective-Insulation-Radiant-Barrier-48x25RI/315103268

    roll weighs under 5lb, so I fig about 3lbs would get me ground mat and top cover, and a few stitches cords etc would make a 100% water proof "tub" and "roof".

    They say this shit doesn't pop or lose foil even under fairly hard use.

    Thots?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think Steve used a rig like that once as a lean to

      Yes found it https://youtu.be/8W-2VVIeZPw

      So you'll wrap up like a hot pocket? Sound nice and toasty.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my link's stuff is like semi-stiff fabric and rolls up.

        I'd make a system so I could hot pocket or use both 4x8ft halves to make an 8x8ft for tarp-tent.

        main idea is it would combine Space Blanket reflection with a bit of air-bubble insulation, and its semi-stiffness would allow air-flow to prevent condensation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bivvy + pad for me is 4 pounds, so that's light, but I don't know if it would pack down well and it may not protect you very well from wind and conductive loss to the ground. Also, you're shiny.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its funny that anons are stickershocked and being cheap over gear that LITERALLY KEEPS YOU NOT BECOMING A FROZEN CHUNK OF FLESH. NO SHIT ITS EXPENSIVE.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A full armored SUV is expensive too, like $300,000 expensive. But it'll save you from gunfire and IEDs and even RPGs.

      So why don't you own and drive one around every day? Huh homosexual? What's the frickin problem? You POOR or something?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >But it'll save you from gunfire and IEDs

        I don't live in New Jersey. Why would I want one? The cost vs. reasonable odds of needing the SUV make it absurd, not the cost alone. If you needed one to avert a reasonably likely event then it becomes a non-absurd purchase.

        OTOH few hundred bucks is modest for a lifetime piece of equipment of frequent usefulness and vital in case of severe weather and loss of heat. It takes serious abuse to wear out a sleeping bag. The fools in Texas with no cold weather gear died for lack of sufficient blankets and warm clothing. The right sleeping bags would have made life comfy.

        There is no frequent need for my N3B parka now I live in the South, but on the one or so days a year I wear it, it's very nice to have.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        False equivalency, u are not smart

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    U can also just sleep in a hole in the ground

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dutch Army bivvy. Cost me 20 bucks as surplus. Weighs two pounds and is Gore-Tex. Add a sleeping bag and sleeping pad suitable for the season, and you are good to go.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Netherlands truly is our greatest ally.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Their gear is awesome quality, and on the market for ridiculously good prices. I am mixing British and Dutch DPM equipment with great success.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I will keep that in mind. But I am having trouble coming across any in that price range. I'll keep my eye out though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Check out Varesteleka. They have a good selection of both Brit and Dutch stuff. For my part I have gotten DPM clothes mainly from Ebay while the Dutch stuff has come mainly from a local seller that sadly don't export.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >does not export
              I already know this feeling. Macpac makes incredible shorts called wingers and they don't ship to the US, so I only have two pairs to last the rest of my life. But thanks for the tip, I used a friend's bivvy once on a camping trip and felt like I was suffocating. This hooped variety would probably mediate that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There's a lot of different bivvys out there. I like the Dutch one because it is light, strong, yet roomy. I have the bigger sized one and it has room for your sleeping pad inside it if you don't want it below it. Most other bivvys I have seen are far more narrow. Also you can open it along the side if you like it airier.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      British Army use exactly the same SOP;-)
      Never been chilly or cold.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/F313a2W.jpg

        Dutch Army bivvy. Cost me 20 bucks as surplus. Weighs two pounds and is Gore-Tex. Add a sleeping bag and sleeping pad suitable for the season, and you are good to go.

        Its nearly identical to the new brit bivy and a good bivy is essential kit like a good silk liner (they weigh nothing and up what any bag they are in can achieve massively)

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >frickass heavy and expensive
    just buy a treated down bag from decathlon, yeet it into a surplus bivy and call it a day.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bivvy + CW sleeping bag + thermarest pad (completely forgotten by op who sucks wiener) is all I sneed.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is there ANYTHING better than Carinthia Defence 4 for winter use? 1850-2000 grams depending on size.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      UGQ makes custom made DWR treated top quilts that weigh around 725 grams and go down to the same temp, but they cost about a hundred euros/dollars more than the Carinthia. Bright side is they're very customizable, so you get to decide everything from the color, fill power, footbox design, etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you saying a quilt can handle -20F?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Defence 4's comfort limit only goes to -16C, extreme limits mean you're getting hypothermia at a minimum. Don't get a bag and rely on the extreme limit, you'll end up with health problems lol.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've been making camp when -16C was the midday temperature. Plus a number of rather colder army exercises. It was a really interesting night and I had the wrong bag for the event; my buddy had a bigger and thicker bag and was fine. Now I have a much better bag, army surplus, but I still think the Carinthia is the state of the art until I am told otherwise. I am aware that our army, who use the Carinthia Defenders, combine the 1 and 4 for the worst outings.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah Carinthia will absolutely get the job done, was sweating my arse off in -11C weather using the Defence 4 with a bivvy, and it being synthetic definitely helps when it's wet but I do think there are lighter options out there that do the same job. Problem is they're more expensive, take time to produce, and there's still a lot of wariness surrounding down insulation, even if the technology has came a long way from the easily wetted-out bags of the 70s.

              All comes down to whatever is comfy enough for you to sleep in though.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i've slept in -20f with quilts, one rated for 10 and one rated for 20. both from enlightened equipment. it was fine. sleeping pad matters and calories matter more under 0 than temp ratings. remember most shitty companies rate for you wont die and most high end companies rate for comfort. a western mountaineering 0 degree bag shares nothing in common with a 200 dollar no name "0 degree" bag.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      defence 6

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ack. You are right. I forgot the lineup doesn't stop at 4.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are Ranger tacos a meme. I realize that location matters for this. I live in the Mississippi delta.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. It's a great thing to know if your only issued a woobie and a poncho. Otherwise it's a meme.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best sleep pad for the money?
    My issued pad fell off a truck while I was deployed and I haven't replaced it yet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No one uses the puss pad you POG

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You call it a "puss pad" because you never had to sleep on a cold-ass windy mountainside or in the snow. That shit is life-saving.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1949 Mountain Bag anyone?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your climate. I only had to use my complete sleep system once and that was being in the field in November and it was single digits. Bivvy is a must if you are gonna be on the ground, poncho, woobie, summer bag and thats it. The ECW stuff isnt necessary unless its gonna be middle of winter. Also if you arent a moron and know how to pack a ruck its not much weight, bulky yes, but not heavy

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is kind of silly considering you will never be in the wilderness unless you intentionally put yourself there, and if you're doing that, might as well glamp and sleep in a heated and cooled bedroom on a comfy mattress in your camper trailer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is pretty much true. The only people forced to live uncomfortably are in the military, and even then you usually have options like a vehicle to sleep in and you can turn on the heat, or there are tents designated for sleeping areas. During my time in only made me appreciate things that are available, why make yourself suffer?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Idiot, yeah just pull your trailer over the gnarly inaccessible trails. You never go anywhere or do anything

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tent or nothing. Sleeping exposed if a great way to get rabies forma bat bite in your sleep.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well, that's something I didn't know I needed to fear.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Snoozer unite!

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Marmot Pocket Gopher

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like bivvys for their weight. And they can be as insect proof as a tent. A tent is however the way to go in windy conditions or if you may have to spend a long evening and night inside one because of weather conditions. I bought a small but good tent last year that I had to retire after the first trip - I realized I could not sit comfortably in it. When the wind and snow is blowing outside, that's a major issue.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this, a cheap waterproof tent is about a kilo and the same for a light bag about a kilo, the bivy and liner one kg together and the kip mat maybe half a kg, including a generous allowance for a carry system that's 5kg, couple of mres is 4kg with coffee sachets, candy/sweets/jerky and candles lighters and a hexi stove and mug and half spoon. That should keep anyone comfy and alive with some water thrown and its 10kg or less. Spend the money on a GOOD silk like bag liner NO cotton and a GOOD gortex bivvy like the brit one. you'll die of hypothermia if you get wet under a tarp with rain blowing on you, on the ground and it does not have to be that cold for that either. bundeswehr kip maps are great shooting mats as well

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Single pole tents solved that issue for me, they are lightweight and simple in construction so they work just as well as an overnight tent or temporary shelter when taking a break on hikes.
      Plenty of options out there, so you can pick and chose whichever height and package weight you want.

      https://i.imgur.com/5JCREt5.jpg

      Found a weirdo. The price alone means I'm not interested, but how often do you see this combo of functions? It's a poncho! A blanket! A friggin sleeping bag...?

      https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/carinthia-poncho-system-cps-/76866

      I like it but I feel the same about price. I already have a fleece blanket that can turn in to a sleeping bag so it will do fine for me.

      What's your problem with dome tents? They are awesome for sitting in and have good wind resistance.

      For me I mostly take issue with their complexity in contruction and time to set them up / pack down.
      Too many points of potential failure for me to feel comfortable going on a hike with, and the good ones that actually dont break after first use are quite expensive compared to other shelters on the market.

      Thats my two cents

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    anyone else kinda enjoy the mildew smell?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Found a weirdo. The price alone means I'm not interested, but how often do you see this combo of functions? It's a poncho! A blanket! A friggin sleeping bag...?

    https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/carinthia-poncho-system-cps-/76866

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/bixiyfO.jpg

      Single pole tents solved that issue for me, they are lightweight and simple in construction so they work just as well as an overnight tent or temporary shelter when taking a break on hikes.
      Plenty of options out there, so you can pick and chose whichever height and package weight you want.

      [...]
      I like it but I feel the same about price. I already have a fleece blanket that can turn in to a sleeping bag so it will do fine for me.

      [...]
      For me I mostly take issue with their complexity in contruction and time to set them up / pack down.
      Too many points of potential failure for me to feel comfortable going on a hike with, and the good ones that actually dont break after first use are quite expensive compared to other shelters on the market.

      Thats my two cents

      I got this for way less: https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-bags/blankets-and-ponchos/honcho-poncho-down/11604.html
      650-Fill Nikwax Hydrophobic Down. To work in a sleeping system you do need an elastic thermal bag of some sort to keep it close to you, as it is too small to just rest on top of you otherwise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >varusjewleka
      They have such cool stuff, but i think I've only bought one thing from them because of their premium pricing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I assume their pricing has a lot to do with being in Finland and needing to offset costs with getting stuff to their location. This is particularly evident in their prices for American gear that you can get from other places.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've slept outside in most shelter systems at this point, and several times with no systems in a bivouac.
    I would say that most of them are useful but in this day and age some are not that great and should not be bothered with.
    My rating goes as followed:

    >Good shelters
    group patrol tent
    heavy duty tarps
    american rain poncho-tarp

    >Bad shelters
    two person A-tent
    any tent using dome system

    >Meme shelters
    any one person "recon" tent
    zeltbahn and its derivatives

    >Meme but useful shelters
    Platch Plataka / Lavvu
    Lightweight tarps

    >Kino shelters
    Lightweight single pole tents
    Bivvy

    The only shelter I haven't tried is the hammock one, it gets shilled on PrepHole a lot but still not entirely sold. Anyone here have got anything to say about them?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's your problem with dome tents? They are awesome for sitting in and have good wind resistance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you're talking about just the rainfly with a ridgeline to go over the top of a hammock, I have one and like it, but you could honestly use whatever tarp shelter you prefer. Hammock camping is my preferred method on solo trips or just stringing up in my campsite-lite on my property. Cold ass syndrome is real though, the Gucci solution is an underquilt strung to the body of the hammock and a sleeping bag or regular quilt inside. My solution is a sleeping bag I was given with a separate foot zipper and I secure the tube across the entire hammock. Others use a sleeping pad inside the hammock and that works too. If it's above 45 I just use a pretty thicc Mexican poncho I bought for $20 a decade ago, and it doesn't seem to compress enough to lose a lot of insulation value.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No love for that shit talking boomer wiggy? His shit looks like its heavy but it's actually warm

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