And in a full-power rifle cartridge, too. Again, just to fuck with everyone.
This. Ultimately the rifle won’t win or lose a war for us. The true power move is switching to a bullpup in a .280 British equivalent after we forced 7.62x51 on nato and then forced the AR platform on them later.
How do we convince those retards at BSG to add it into Tarkov already
I just want to see the supposed dovetail mounting system that exists on variants of this thing allegedly, can't imagine the carry handle would give it much clearance for optics
Tarkov is full of odd ommisions and even odder inclusions, though most of the latter can be explained by someone paying them to put their guns in game.
the ammo that fucked the m16 was being made by a company that was making a competing rifle to the m16, previously, the ammo that they were making worked perfectly fine when m16 was adopted, only later it shat itself out, and even during later testing it was KNOWN that it was garbage ammo
once their competing rifle was completely rejected & the ammo problem was becoming a legal problem, they finally "fixed" it, and the m16 worked perfectly fine again
corporate espionage =/= bad gun
if you're gonna harp, harp on a different detail
Imagine if they came together and built one really good bullpup instead of a bunch of ok ones. Infantry rifles are like symbols of national pride- everybody wants their own and they want it to be better than the US, but they can't put as much money into developing and propagating their guns. Ergo 40 years later and it's all ARs. Kinda cool
The AUG is already really good. The allegation that diggers would rather have M4s with ACOGs than 40-year-old AUG A1s with integral 1.5× Swarovskis or the extremely unaesthetic Lithgow knockoff changes nothing.
I'm really tired of Americans touting the Lithgow EF88/F90 as the apex of the AUG, when in reality it was a bad move and it gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department.
You can't even blame the Aussies being jealous of Kiwis with their LMT AR's when they are stuck with heavy lithgow shit
https://i.imgur.com/WKa3bPT.png
If steyr sold an up to date aug then they would be more popular. This is prime space gun that theyve sold for decades in europe but refuse to bring to the largest gun market in the world.
They already do dumbass
>Tavor >Replaced by M4
That's incorrect, the Tavor is still being produced and issued to combat units.
but tavor is still used? in fact, line troops use tavors, reservists use m16
The principle thing to remember about the Tavor is it was purpose designed for conscripts filling a mechanized/motorized infantry role
>I'm really tired of Americans touting the Lithgow EF88/F90 as the apex of the AUG, when in reality it was a bad move and it gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department.
Agreed, although the QD barrel delete is understandable in light of ADF butterbars making grunts pop the barrel out as part of their unload/show clear procedure and prematurely wearing out the lugs accordingly.
Good thing Magpul makes AUG pmags for like half the cost of Steyr mags
yeah
If only they made a 40rder and made them in appropriate colors instead of just BLACK
>the QD barrel delete is understandable in light of ADF butterbars making grunts pop the barrel out as part of their unload/show clear procedure
please tell me you're joking. we don't even do that in the Irish Army and if one of the two would act like clowns you'd think it'd be us.
I'm really tired of Americans touting the Lithgow EF88/F90 as the apex of the AUG, when in reality it was a bad move and it gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department.
You can't even blame the Aussies being jealous of Kiwis with their LMT AR's when they are stuck with heavy lithgow shit
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They already do dumbass
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The principle thing to remember about the Tavor is it was purpose designed for conscripts filling a mechanized/motorized infantry role
>gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department
pffffft
Former Aus' Infantry here, if I had the money to move to the US I'd be buying a semi-auto AUG and a 20" barreled AR15, I loved my service rifle, but it did have a less than stellar trigger and of course magazine changes are slightly slower than on an AR platform.
The F88 was my rifle and I still love it, warts and all.
*Steyr USA, please build AUG A1 variants on the reg.
The AUG's trigger isn't stellar, but it's serviceable, unlike the balance of any AR longer than 10" that doesn't have a storage compartment stock full of birdshot.
You're right, there are probably still a handful of original 1980s-vintage M4s kicking around in reserve units and various Third World militaries. Or were you implying that I was talking about the age of the platform and not the literal, physical rifles in question?
If steyr sold an up to date aug then they would be more popular. This is prime space gun that theyve sold for decades in europe but refuse to bring to the largest gun market in the world.
I think every platform has some flaws. One of the large complaints i hear about is how to mount things on an aug with such limited rail space. There is aftermarket solutions sure but the fact is steyr has multiple that could come straight from the factory and they refuse.
Even if you say the mags are an issue steyr has built a model that takes nato mags and keeps the bolt release, but they dont sell it.
Im not sure what other issues you would really have with it. Manual of arms isnt an issue, its just different.
Theyre good. The guys who really like them really like them if you know what i mean. I dont think they perform any better or worse than a pmag.
I was just bringing that up as another common complaint people have thst steyr has a solution for, but refused to bring it to market.
They were the best all polymer magazine design for a very long time.
They dont have the issues early gen PMAG's have, or HK G36 mags, or SIG 55x mags still have to this day.
A shitload of development went into that magazine, it took Magpul years of development and even more years of reiteration.
Are they better than a modern metal reinforced polymer mag like Lancers?
Not really.
Is it as good as a current PMAG?
Absolutely
Lancers are fucking terrible, do not listen to this assclown.
1 month ago
Anonymous
What world are you living in, nagger?
1 month ago
Anonymous
This one. They are absolute crap. Worse than pmags, worse than GI mags. Barely better than cheapo crap like hexmags
1 month ago
Anonymous
Works on my machine. Maybe you should pull whatever garbage rod you've got up your ass out and buy a rifle that's actually in spec.
1 month ago
Anonymous
KAC, DD, LMT, those aren't in spec now? Damn I guess your PSA is the only rifle that is!
1 month ago
Anonymous
I've never had any problem whatsoever with Lancers aside from their price, they just werk and they've never had the problems some Pmag variants have with not fitting certain magwells.
Pmags are the standard now, but not the best, and before your magpul cockgoblin fuckhole mouth I own easily 7x more PMAG's than I do lancers - again due to price
can't believe retards are STILL shilling dogshit lancer mags.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"this would certainly guarantee a malfunction!!" >doesn't actually show the magazine causing a malfunction
This is what you get for not watching your own videos, anon. You just googled "lancer bad" and linked the first retard you found.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>randomly spitting out extra rounds when jostled won't cause a malfunction
LOL
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Show it to us then. Hell, show it to us with your own gun even. You do own those rifles you listed off, right anon?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes I do.
Post AR
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Those are, in fact, guns.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, you get an AUG instead. Now show us the malfunction.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you get an AUG instead
no thank you > Now show us the malfunction.
I don't have lancers anymore because I only use good magazines, sorry. It's called a double feed go ahead and recreate it any time you want by just tapping your lancer while you shoot.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Dickmod
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes anon, the rifle I bought before mlok existed did indeed have a keymod handguard.
Let me guess, you bought your first gun in 2020, didn't you?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no timestamp
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
post AR first.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cute penises on your handguard, bet you love holding cocks.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
doesn't seem to bother the Bizon
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The first video had the “malfunctioning causing mag” loaded into a gun and didn’t try to close the bolt to show it. Why? The second video is literally by “gear shitposting” who has two videos ever. It’s not serious.
Show me the malfunctions happening.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
nta but i own lancers and i think they're good
consider your argument refuted
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
When did this happen? Like a decade ago lancers were the gucci mags and magpul was for poorfags.
Short bullpups are cool too. No idea if the mdr is worth owning yet but the more i see them the more i like. The original handguard is kind of silly looking but all the aftermarket ones make it look a lot nicer.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When did this happen?
One of those videos is from 12 years ago. The other is from 2 years ago. So the answer is "always". >Like a decade ago lancers were the gucci mags and magpul was for poorfags.
Lancers are fake gucci for retards, like the other trends from 10 years ago like gold TiN bcgs.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The video from 12 years ago doesn’t show any malfunctions
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
why doesn't anyone make stendo .308 steel SR25 mags ffs i don't want lame ass magpul cracked feedlips
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I dont know anon. Only .308 rifle i own is a scar. Mags are ok but heavy and theres like no aftermarket. The sr25 standard was already a thing when the scar was made, i dont know why FN cheaped out and just resused fal mags. Probably the same idiot that got the mold for the pistol grip wrong.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The sr25 standard was already a thing when the scar was made, i dont know why FN cheaped out and just resused fal mags
Yeah, the SR-25 existed, and the only gun that used them was the KAC SR-25/M110. That's not really a standard since zero other guns used the pattern at that time. Why would they make their gun use KAC's proprietary magazine, that KAC is too lazy to even make mags for? >oh those super high quality steel FN mags are too expensive at $50 each, I sure wish instead it was a KAC magazine at $100 which isn't available anywhere anyway because KAC doesn't actually feel like making them!
It'd be fucking retarded to do that. Frankly, the SCAR magazine is better designed.
There were no pmags, there weren't any good aftermarket mags. In fact, there weren't even really other guns using the SR-25 pattern. No LaRue AR-10 yet, no MARS-H/MWS. The DPMS LR-308 would come out one year after the SCAR entered production. In short, there was literally no reason to go with SR-25 pattern magazines, so they didn't.
Even now if you want a quality steel modern production magazine for a .308 rifle, the SCAR mag is the cheapest you're gonna find and the only one that's always readily available for purchase, because again KAC doesn't actually even make anything anymore and LaRue only sells their mags when they feel like it. None of the other steel mags for AR10s are any good.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah but nobody makes stendo SCAR mags either. only option is FAL bren mags or weird AK mags. if the RFB wasn't so shit i'd get one just to rock 30 rounders
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
RFB works alright for me
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the weld on the back of the receiver cracks over time
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Got any pics? I'm pushing 7k or so through mine and I havent had any issues other than with mags
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cool, thanks man, I'll keep an eye on it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>definitely cause a malfunction >inserts mag with manually altered round >doesn’t bother to close the bolt and show the “guaranteed malfunction”
nagger pmags do the same thing. Nothing wrong with lancers
1 month ago
Anonymous
I've never had any problem whatsoever with Lancers aside from their price, they just werk and they've never had the problems some Pmag variants have with not fitting certain magwells.
Pmags are the standard now, but not the best, and before your magpul cockgoblin fuckhole mouth I own easily 7x more PMAG's than I do lancers - again due to price
I think every platform has some flaws. One of the large complaints i hear about is how to mount things on an aug with such limited rail space. There is aftermarket solutions sure but the fact is steyr has multiple that could come straight from the factory and they refuse.
Even if you say the mags are an issue steyr has built a model that takes nato mags and keeps the bolt release, but they dont sell it.
Im not sure what other issues you would really have with it. Manual of arms isnt an issue, its just different.
Until fairly recently it wasn't that easy to mount all the modern tactical force multipliers you wanted to an M4, either, and it doesn't even have the excuse of only being 28" long.
If you aren't worried about passive aiming under NV, there's plenty of room on an A3M1 with the factory set of rails for a white light, laser box and a prism optic or red dot and if you don't have NODs you can run whatever day optic you want with no issues.
Most of the criticism the AUG gets is just AR cultists flinging any shit they can get their hands on, no matter how much it smells.
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Until fairly recently it wasn't that easy to mount all the modern tactical force multipliers you wanted to an M4, either, and it doesn't even have the excuse of only being 28" long.
If you aren't worried about passive aiming under NV, there's plenty of room on an A3M1 with the factory set of rails for a white light, laser box and a prism optic or red dot and if you don't have NODs you can run whatever day optic you want with no issues.
Most of the criticism the AUG gets is just AR cultists flinging any shit they can get their hands on, no matter how much it smells.
I think were agreeing with each other but im unsure. I agree the AUG is an excellent platform. The guys who hate on it are the same ones who think every rifle should be an AR and every handgun a glock.
>I agree the AUG is an excellent platform. The guys who hate on it are the same ones who think every rifle should be an AR and every handgun a glock.
Agreed, although the better at shooting handguns I get, the more I appreciate the boring practicality of my glog ninedeen
nobody outside Austria has, and Kawatec likes it that way
Explain please. What is the kawatec trigger and why are they austria only? It looks like it has a pre trigger that stages the actual trigger? Im not sure but 60% less weight is a big deal.
>and why are they austria only?
Because Kawatec refuses to sell outside of Austria, not even to other EU countries, and nobody knows why since they don't respond to emails from potential international customers, either.
A shame, since their case deflector is the most elegant on the market—it simply clips onto the stock in place of the opposite-side ejection port cover.
Their patent doesn't expand to US. Mooseycreatures reached out to them to ask for permission anyway and offered a cut in profits for their mag release. They never responded. They never have shit in stock on their website or respond to anyone. My relatives couldn't buy from them even though they're local. I don't know how they're still in business.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>neighboring countries, the rest of the world, and even your own constituents are waving money in your face to buy your $400 trigger and deflector >NUH UH
this is the same autism that gave us hitler
Does israel even use the tavor anymore, I see tons of psyop thots from the idf on youtube shorts with m4s. I think the tavor is pretty much made to export now since I only see india buying them up because they are spiteful of the m4 but don't want to buy russian/chink shit, and their domestic producers are trash because they killed their firearms productivity by being hard on firearms procurement.
The IDF has been buying thousands of X95s every year since that fake story came out.
Pic related, X95s in the raid on that HAMAS CP. Now that the heebs are getting stuck in and we're getting footage of frontline troops instead of gaggles reservists in the rear, we're seeing a lot more Tavors
yeah we do
at the moment only certain divisions in the idf use the tar.
there are many stories and many rumors as to why only some of the army uses it/
but tbh imo in practice it is a financial matter - it is cheaper to maintain an m4 than a tar because it is a platform that has been used by the israeli security forces for about 40 years.
in addition to the elite units - depending on which units it is, the super units (and not recon companies or patrol units and professional units) have a free hand to use what they want.
if you're lucky, you'll see their videos with recent versions of Galil, and if you're even luckier, micro uzis
The MTAR was an early iteration of the X95, they've since standardized on a model with a slightly longer (15") barrel and a bunch of features you see on the civ models like the railed handguard. You could probably consider that a "Gen 3"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's just different furniture. the MTAR and TAR are two completely different firearms mechanically.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
> the MTAR and TAR are two completely different firearms mechanically
They're really not. A TAR bcg will literally drop into an X95. They've got a slightly different form factor from the polymer shell, but the major internals are nearly if not literally identical. In terms of internals, the most obvious change would be shorter transfer bars because they cut the OAL, and an added transfer bar for the mag release.
>Every Australian infantryman just wants an AR
Well that's a fucking lie, everyone I've talked to on the subject fucking love their AUGs.
>every Australian Infrantryman actively wants an AR
Lolno nice try champ
Australia still uses the F90
The FAMAS factory shut down
Israel still used the X95
Ukraine forces use both bullpups and conventionals
Sounds like conventionagger cope in here
The EF88 will be replaced soon in Land 159 Tranche 2 and a conventional rifle will almost certainly be chosen.
https://euro-sd.com/2023/06/news/32307/32307/
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/countries-asia/australia/news/lithgow-arms-manufacture-australian-designed-and-developed-ar
ARs are just cheaper to make and they're highly available, that's why they're replacing better options. The military now "prefers" this hunk of garbage, so what's you're point?
>makes bullpup fags seethe >also makes ARfags seethe >and AKfags >and Q(eer)BZfags >just intermediatefags in general
It's like they say, if you're catching complaints you're doing something right
Bullpoops make too many sacrifices just to try and be 4 inches shorter
When in reality you can do CQB with an 18 inch AR variant just fine and you will also be capable of taking better supported shots from things like baricades or prone
Bullpoops feel shitty to go prone with and even worse to shoot of things like boulders or barricades because they have no handguard and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
Bullpoops aren't war proven they are the opposite
They promote soldiers shooting primarily from an offhand position which is retarded past 100 yards for the average conscript
With a longer heavier rifle a conscript is more likely to lay it down on the ground and go prone or rest it off a barricade of some kind which also means they increase their effective envelope by 600 meters
Offhand shots can be reliably trusted out to 200ish yards but past that you should be trying to build a position so that you can take an accurate shot IMO
One of the videos from the oct 7 where an israeli died he was behind a massive dirt berm but instead of taking a proper position with his rifle steadied and the majority of his body behind cover he was standing up in the open and he got his head torn off.
Bullpoops are gay
>Bullpoops feel shitty to go prone with and even worse to shoot of things like boulders or barricades because they have no handguard and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
This is solved by adding any kind of foregrip to the gun.
foregrips don't help, you need a bipod and its weird to mount bipods on bullpoops
Hell its weird to mount most things on the front of bullpoops because of the limited rail space
Bullpoops are worse in every way except for that they are shorter.
The only reason to actually have short guns IRL is to conceal them or for in vehicles
And at that point a normal rifle can get just as short if its stock can fold like the Bren 2 or Scar or ACR or basically any modern not an AR not a bullpoop rifle
>Bullpoops feel shitty to go prone with and even worse to shoot of things like boulders or barricades because they have no handguard and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
yeah I also watched that Hop video
Fucking fascinating that this criticism was literally unheard of on /k/ prior to that video dropping, and now it gets brought up in every bullpup thread. /k/ truly does not own guns and has no opinions that dont originate from an influencers lips.
>no one truly does not own bullpups
While I am also looking for the final solution to the noguns question, I think in this situation it’s more basically no one has bullpups. That’s pretty true. They aren’t common. The cheaper ones like Keltec you have QC concerns. Other ones are far more expensive and yes that’s a valid complaint and not poorfags complaining. You can get a more accurate, equally or more reliable AR, and hundreds if not thousands of rounds of ammo for the same price.
The advantages or bullpups are pretty niche and not how 99% of people shoot. It’s not a surprise people don’t buy them. Also if you want one because it’s cool and fun, that’s a great reason. You can also buy 3-6 fun guns and have variety which appeals to many.
>A poorly trained conscript did something dumb and died >this proves my dipshit wrong opinion
Man, if someone dying because they shot not from cover means a gun is bad, you should see how many dumbass Russians have been shot shooting their AKs out in the open.
After using and purchasing an aug irl I just don't get the hate. Yes the standard aug has a worse trigger than an AR, but it's the nato aug that has the really shit trigger.
Maybe insanely fast reloads and le epic ergos of the AR are a big deal if you're spraying full auto constantly but in home defense it doesn't effect you.
An AUG is about the same length as an mp5 yet requires no SBR stamp because it has a 16" barrel. You can even quick swap the barrel to longer ones if you prefer. Doing caliber conversions is very easy. Yes the caliber conversions and extra barrels are expensive atm but I think this is because it never really took off in the US domestic market due to import issues and the AWB ruining it's debut. I will say mounting a pressure pad to an aug is a bit more annoying and finnicky than an AR. For home defense I don't see why you wouldn't use a bullpup, you won't be reloading or doing anything beyond taking the safety off, and you avoid the annoying SBR stamp.
it just depends on what brigade there are in
one of my friends who served in a reconnaissance unit with an M4, now as a reservist he was attached to a reconnaissance unit of a brigade that uses the tavor, so he's rocking an M-16(with a carry handle scope), because he doesn't want a tavor.
i got an M4 because i was active duty in the combat engineering corps and as a reservist, i'm still a combat engineer. and all of us besides part of our special sapper unit use M4s or M-16s
The IDF has been buying thousands of X95s every year since that fake story came out.
Pic related, X95s in the raid on that HAMAS CP. Now that the heebs are getting stuck in and we're getting footage of frontline troops instead of gaggles reservists in the rear, we're seeing a lot more Tavors
You've got it backwards. The IDF bought Tavors because they wanted to pay off their MIC. Now we're seeing more Tavors because they've called up the conscripts, instead of the special units who have the freedom to choose M4s.
>Reservists milling around in the rear with 50 year old ARs is proof they're ditching the tavor >Frontline troops conducting operations with tavors are photo ops and also proof they're ditching the tavor
you're fucking retarded, the reserve units are given AR's because they get borderline free AR's that are already clapped out, fat stinky cope in here from you
AUG
It's the most aesthetic, it has the most clout, it's a better suppressor host than the Tavor, it has the most aftermarket support, you can pull the barrel to shorten it for storage and transport, it has the most robust track record, it has a more solid optic/laser mounting surface than the Hellion, it's the least expensive—even if you get the waffle mag version (which you should) and have to buy a bunch of new mags for it—it has barrels on offer as short as 14.5" (which are sold without a muzzle device so you can P&W whatever suppressor mount you want), etc.
sorry you got mindbroken by moving the mag location back 10 inches, the rest of us with functioning brains will simply continue to enjoy superior ballistics.
>superior ballistics
lol that's the whole problem with bullpups. Superior ballistics for what? >oh man it has a longer barrel so it must be great at long range right? >lol no, terrible barrel harmonics and trigger mean accuracy is worse than standard rifles, has lower effective range than an M4 as a result
oh >w-well the small size must mean it's great for CQB! >except you can't transition shoulders, reloading is slower, and bracing the rifle off objects is difficult, and in general everyone with a choice uses an M4 or HK416 instead
oh
I dont believe anybody actually switches shoulders. I know its taught by basically everyone, i just dont think its a thing people actually do.
The rest sound like skill issues.
It was probably more relevant back when people shot with a more bladed-off stance and switching shoulders dramatically reduced how much of your body you were presenting, but with modern squared-off stances the gun is so close to your centerline that the cost of shooting wrong-handed outweighs the benefit of poking a hair less out from a corner or piece of cover.
>unironically recommending 416 >all that other copy+pasted retardation
sounds like you've never held a bullpup in your life.
maybe try shooting guns instead of watching shill youtubers all day?
>unironically recommending 416
you mean > pointing out the 416 is widely used and is an excellent rifle, also it just recently replaced a bullpup in service because nobody actually likes bullpups lol >sounds like you've never held a bullpup in your life.
I have used pretty much all of them on the US market. >AUG
one of the first and somehow still one of the best, still has crippling ergonomic flaws and Steyr could easily improve it by just shipping guns that aren't decades out of date >Tavor
lol >that chinkshit bullpup
only shot once, not impressed >MDR
still has reliability problems, maybe the least shit when it works >keltec
lol
>HK's nagger rigged piston in a gun never meant for it
i don't give a fuck who does what. it's a piece of shit. if you knew anything about why guns are designed the way they are, you'd think so too.
>umm actually it's ok that my gun breaks because the design was already flawed!
omega cope
it happens way more often in your piston meme when there's no gas pushing the bolt forward like in a DI gun.
>breakage in your picture happened at 25k rounds >AR15 bolts generally have a lifespan of around 10k >I-it totally happens more with a piston gun guise!
lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
costa is only shooting on a range. any gun lasts if you have a super low schedule. plus another guy in the same thread lost a bolt at 7000 rounds.
nothing that has the recoil impulse out of allignment with the recoil spring is good. this is basic firearms design.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>posts more AR-15 bolt failures
uh, ok didn't you think those laster longer than HK416s though? >plus another guy in the same thread lost a bolt at 7000 rounds. >my dad works at nintendo and he said the HK416 is shit!
that's great anon
basically, cope and remain poor, it's all you can do lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah they do last longer, and they still hardly last at all. which is the point. are you retarded? >w-well he's a liar!
so when one guy says 25k it's true, when another says 7k, it's not? but i'm supposed to be the one coping?
crazy how bullpups filtered you when you don't even own guns
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
So anon what about bullpups addresses any of the complaints you've raised? All of the good ones use an AR-15 style bolt which is subject to lug shearing, and 100% of them ever made don't have "it happens way more often in your piston meme when there's no gas pushing the bolt forward like in a DI gun." as you claimed is what causes the 416 bolt to break more, which you now claim doesn't happen. All of them also have "nothing that has the recoil impulse out of allignment with the recoil spring is good." which you claim is bad.
You have no idea how guns work and are just whining because it's all you can do about your situatuation. Nothing you have said has any meaning at all, which is why I've dismissed all of it.
Basically, you're a fucking retard.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you must have dyslexia. i never walked back on anything. i suggest remedial english lessons. >genuinely doesn't know why having the recoil spring out of alignment with the piston is bad
do you know what leverage is?
have you ever noticed how every purpose built piston gun has the spring in line with the oprod?
of course you haven't, the entire conversation is over your head.
it's the same reason why you can't figure out something as braindead simple as a bullpup.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>do you know what leverage is?
Do you? If your spring is not in line with the bore, it is not in line with the recoil impulse. I made sure to directly quote your retarded blathering so your illiterate ass couldn't say something retarded, but you still did. Impressive.
AR-15=inline recoil impulse >have you ever noticed how every purpose built piston gun has the spring in line with the oprod?
have you noticed how it's not in line with the bore? >it's the same reason why you can't figure out something as braindead simple as a bullpup.
They're very easy to figure out, they're purpose built to be terrible guns with on spec advantages that don't translate to any real world use.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
holy fuck you're dumb.
the PISTON of the 416 is not in line with the spring.
the AR15 has inline recoil because the gas expands behind the bolt,
thus putting the recoil of the firearm in line with the barrel and the stock.
why do you think stoner invented the internal piston?
it was so he could put the gas expansion right behind the bore and achieve inline recoil.
otherwise he would have just made it a regular piston gun.
but you don't know that because you don't know anything.
on the 416, because the piston is not in line with the spring,
it torques on the carrier. which is why on every piston gun ever,
the spring is behind the piston. the 416 does not have in line recoil.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>which is why on every piston gun ever, the spring is behind the piston
holy shit you're so close to understanding we might be able to hit a breakthrough. Quick question anon, does the HK416 use a buffer spring, yes or no. No whining just answer.
This is what bullpups need to be good: >20 inch barrel
Optimal ballistics, enough rail space to mount all your garbage, improved handling by moving center of gravity forward >protected knuckles with a handguard >fully ambi controls with a bolt catch and such things to be expected of modern rifles >non-retarded action that you can look into
All bullpups fail at at least one out of these four simple requirements.
I'll never understand why my governement decided to buy guns from the Germans when we could have replaced the FAMAS with another locally produced quality bullpup like this
FAMAS my beloved, you will not be forgotten
>I'll never understand why my governement decided to buy guns from the Germans
Factory was closed.
Also government military contract required specific prerequisites for manufactures (size, ability to fulfill fast extra order, some guarantees manufactures stays in the future etc). These prerequisites basically lock down selection to few European firms: HK, FN, Steyr.
France doesn't have such manufactures.
Apparently, France needed replacements ASAP and HS didn't have the capacity, as if they couldn't build a French factory and now France is stuck with half a century old design and a Kekler and Kek rifle.
>and now France is stuck with half a century old design and a Kekler and Kek rifle.
BTW French military guy mentioned competition was won by SCAR. But FN fucked up filling documents (not native French speaker filled them pls understand) so FN were rejected because of the clerical error.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Makes sense considering the SCAR beat the 417 to become France's new DMR. Everything I've heard about this trial has been a clusterfuck and that the 416 was the least favored rifle but won for political bullshit reasons.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
french infantry is almost exclusively on non-magnified optics? huh?
Umm, Nexter? They've only stopped making FAMAS after the government chose HK instead.
HK416F could be made there, in Tulle, but it's being made in Germany because of politics.
Nexter Tulle has not been closed.
You don't see Malyuk in any footage because only SBU super sneaky special forces are allowed to use them. Who don't typically wear gopros and stream what they are doing. Source: Neil Vermillion
every auto loading gun has a spring. how about you answer why it is that every purpose built piston operated gun, including those made by HK, have the pring behind the oprod?
Aw, looks like you did indeed realize the problem with your argument but couldn't bring yourself to say it. it's ok, we both know you're a little retard.
>nooo everyone knows the 416 is shit, that's why everyone uses it and dump their shitty bullpups to adopt it
lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
she's right you know
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you know where the piston fad came from? retarded (like you) grunts thought the AK was reliable because it had a piston. because they don't know how guns work.
so HK made the 416 for delta, a gun that they don't really use anymore.
now it's the closest thing to an AR made in europe,so if you want an AR in europe you have to get a 416.
brits were a bit smarter and just imported colt canada and KAC ARs.
meanwhile the newest iteration of SOPMOD continues to be DI. because the AR was made to be DI, not piston. otherwise they'd put the recoil spring behind the gas key, just like sig does with the MCX.
has it never occurred to you that stoner put the springs in line with the oprod on the ar18?
you still have no answer for this.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
has it ever occured to you that the AR-18 has been brought to market a dozen times and failed each and every time, and the HK416 is better in every single way and more widely fielded? >b-but my entire personality is based on being poor and not having one
guess you'll just have to keep seething then
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
HK made the 416 because 10" DI guns shit themselves when you run them hard with a suppressor—like "replace the bolt every thousand rounds", "magazines not falling free because they're so caked with fouling", etc.—and the piston keeps all that hot, high-pressure, dirty gas out of the action.
DI is absolutely better for longer guns that can be gassed more reasonably, but for most users having a rifle upper and subcarbine upper with completely different operating mechanisms and no interchangeable parts isn't worth the logistical headache, plus HK isn't restricted by ITAR, is in the EU free trade zone, and has more production capacity than Colt Canada.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
and it doesn't solve the problem because the ar15 was not designed to have a piston, which is why SOCOM has been buying a bunch of MCX 300 blackout uppers in different lengths and has stuck with DI for SOPMOD.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>HK made the 416 because 10" DI guns shit themselves when you run them hard with a suppressor and a non adjustable gas block
Fixed
Thats not the case though man.
The SCAR is the most notable piston gun that doesnt have an oprod return speing because it doesnt have an oprod.
The MDRX also doesnt have an oprod spring.
What,in your mind, is the significance of an oprod spring?
Australia still uses the F90
The FAMAS factory shut down
Israel still used the X95
Ukraine forces use both bullpups and conventionals
Sounds like conventionagger cope in here
How the fuck does a person get so mentally ill that they actively spend time to "shit on" people who like a different product to the product you like?!
Fucking have a nice day, you pathetic subhumans.
I really only go after guns that have a proven track record of reliability.
The best source for constant abuse is the guys at Battlefield Vegas, and they’ve even posted arfcom threads about wear/tear.
The only good bullpup thats survived absolute abusive firing schedules of thousands of rounds weekly with almost zero parts breakage; AUG
The only 556 “standard” gun thats had an equally good track record; Scar 16/17
The only 9mm subgun that doesnt violently die after a month; MP5
Their results after years and multiple guns seeing 50k+ rds, shaped my buying preferences.
Btw, AR/Tavor/Lmt/hk416/uzi fags btfo. Your shit dies inside of 10k regularly.
Battlefield Vegas also finds that stamped AKs can go 100k+ and milled AKs can last effectively forever. Is a milled 5.56 AK the best 5.56 gun of all time perhaps?
The stamped trunnions shit the bed though. Or the receiver rail welds fail. Or the shitty thin stemmed ak bolts crack. Or the rivets finally egg out the receiver.
Given the readily available information out there, why on god green earth would anyone buy any 7.62x39 ak other than a milled AK is beyond me.
> Is a milled 5.56 AK the best 5.56 gun of all time perhaps?
If you're only concerned about durability, maybe.
But considering most people never even fire 1000 rounds and you can buy another AR again cheaply and easily, the need for a gun to last indefinitely while being worse to use that entire time is very questionable.
>But considering most people never even fire 1000 rounds
I literally have never once been to the range and used less than a hundred rounds. And I'm there once a month, sometimes up to 4 times. What the fuck is the point of owning a combat-viable gun if you don't shoot it? I've put 1k rounds through my tavor since January
I know a dude who bought an aug and hasn't shot it despite owning it for 3+ years. He was in the military but non-combat MOS. It's not that rare unfortunately
A lot of people just buy guns because they look cool, media representation, scared of a ban, or home defense
It doesn't take 1000 rounds to become proficient with any weapon for home defense or most carry situations
they're magdumping on a pistol range, how could they notice that the gun shoots 4 moa from a loose barrel? screws walking is a known issue, and the stock has a plastic fucking hinge. absolute no-go.
they're magdumping on a pistol range, how could they notice that the gun shoots 4 moa from a loose barrel? screws walking is a known issue, and the stock has a plastic fucking hinge. absolute no-go.
TBF BFV doesn't rebarrel their guns until they start keyholing, but on the other hand how hard is it to witness mark your screws? I know the SCAR has a lot of them, but come on.
>replaced by keyholing 416 ripoff
atleast with the QBZ you had the chunkier AK bolt to rely on, even if the metallurgy was untrustworthy.
but yeah, a bigger gun shooting the same bullet slower is the smart move.
totaslly not just asiatic money funneling
This, but unironically. Most of the alleged problems bullpups have come from end user stupidity and all the best designs being too old to railmaxx enough to mount all the shit you need to shoot in the dark.
>guy uses AR for 20 years >uses bullpup for 30 minutes in a sand pit >WELL THE BULLPUP ERGONOMICS ARE JUST BAD SINCE IT TAKES 5 SECONDS FOR MY CLUMSY BOOMER SAUSAGE FINGERS TO FIDDLE FADDLE A MAGAZINE INTO THE FOODERFONDLEFOODLER
nagger
battle rifles mog all of them
Gotchu homid
status: replaced by m4
(but they shouldn't have been)
America shoukd switch to a bullpup just for the sheer fuckery of having one right as all the bullpup countries swap to an AR configuration.
And in a full-power rifle cartridge, too. Again, just to fuck with everyone.
Preferably in .280 British just for maximum Euro rage.
".280 British but with the neck angle changed enough that we can call it .280 USA"
Peak burger fuckery.
Name it .280 british but the actual caliber is .277
Get rid of the potato suppressor.
It’s pretty easy to convert an AR to a bullpup. Even better if you can get in MCX style recoil assembly.
Only question being, why bother?
because it's smaller dumbass
That ain't really that much smaller.
Can Americans use bullpups they are big people a bull pup might be feeling like small child toy in hands of big fat americans
Call H&K and ask for a new G11.
Specifically request a caseless version of .280 British, shave it down to .277, call it .280 USA and require all arms exporters to use it.
Make the mags double stacked so you can have 90 rounders.
>90 rounders
This is why everything needs to be belt-fed.
I'm genuinely sad we never got to see caseless ammo become a reality.
This. Ultimately the rifle won’t win or lose a war for us. The true power move is switching to a bullpup in a .280 British equivalent after we forced 7.62x51 on nato and then forced the AR platform on them later.
But bullpups gave us this beauty.
This was one of my more favourite engi guns in BF3, despite its absolutely dogshit spread
it was more advanced a-91 in bf3
>is absolutely god awful ugly
I guess there are guys out there into slampigs
Its dogshit irl
The groza is charming, not pretty.
How do we convince those retards at BSG to add it into Tarkov already
I just want to see the supposed dovetail mounting system that exists on variants of this thing allegedly, can't imagine the carry handle would give it much clearance for optics
How do we convince you retards from Reddit to stay where you belong, tardkov?
its not in tarkov? seems like an odd omission
Tarkov is full of odd ommisions and even odder inclusions, though most of the latter can be explained by someone paying them to put their guns in game.
I would love to have one of those, or even a conversion kit for a normal krinkov.
There have been a few made for airsoft gbbrs. They'll probably work fine on an actual gun.
the groza is just what happens when enough kalashnikovs rub together, like how marmite is made from the brewing process
Man, it really is just the brits who can make a good bullpup.
You mean the Germans after the Brits made the worst bullpup in history.
If you think that's bad, you should see the M16. That shit was so bad it literally lost America the vietnam war.
the ammo that fucked the m16 was being made by a company that was making a competing rifle to the m16, previously, the ammo that they were making worked perfectly fine when m16 was adopted, only later it shat itself out, and even during later testing it was KNOWN that it was garbage ammo
once their competing rifle was completely rejected & the ammo problem was becoming a legal problem, they finally "fixed" it, and the m16 worked perfectly fine again
corporate espionage =/= bad gun
if you're gonna harp, harp on a different detail
>this info
Wrong on every detail.
no
The M16 replaced the M14 which lost firefights in Vietnam against the AK.
fuddlore gtfo homosexual
Nice bait
Go back to bed, gramps.
wasnt that thing an abomination ontop of being a liability
>Tavor
>Replaced by M4
That's incorrect, the Tavor is still being produced and issued to combat units.
Give it to me straight doc, how long does the xm7 have before we go back to an AR platform rifle?
Imagine if they came together and built one really good bullpup instead of a bunch of ok ones. Infantry rifles are like symbols of national pride- everybody wants their own and they want it to be better than the US, but they can't put as much money into developing and propagating their guns. Ergo 40 years later and it's all ARs. Kinda cool
The AUG is already really good. The allegation that diggers would rather have M4s with ACOGs than 40-year-old AUG A1s with integral 1.5× Swarovskis or the extremely unaesthetic Lithgow knockoff changes nothing.
>cope: allegation!
>reality: fact.
I'm really tired of Americans touting the Lithgow EF88/F90 as the apex of the AUG, when in reality it was a bad move and it gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department.
You can't even blame the Aussies being jealous of Kiwis with their LMT AR's when they are stuck with heavy lithgow shit
They already do dumbass
The principle thing to remember about the Tavor is it was purpose designed for conscripts filling a mechanized/motorized infantry role
Show me on steyrs website where you can buy either of those models homosexual. Im obviously not talking about the a3 cocksucker
>I'm really tired of Americans touting the Lithgow EF88/F90 as the apex of the AUG, when in reality it was a bad move and it gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department.
Agreed, although the QD barrel delete is understandable in light of ADF butterbars making grunts pop the barrel out as part of their unload/show clear procedure and prematurely wearing out the lugs accordingly.
yeah
If only they made a 40rder and made them in appropriate colors instead of just BLACK
>the QD barrel delete is understandable in light of ADF butterbars making grunts pop the barrel out as part of their unload/show clear procedure
please tell me you're joking. we don't even do that in the Irish Army and if one of the two would act like clowns you'd think it'd be us.
Military autism transcends borders.
I'm going to be nice and just attribute it to the many generations of having your brain fried by that Aussie sunshine.
Used to be part of the clearance drill you had to remove the barrel and get it buddy checked.
>ADF butterbars
Literally not a thing.
>gets absolutely fucking mogged by the AUG A3SF in every department
pffffft
>heavy
You know you can grow stronger if you aren't physically retarded.
Former Aus' Infantry here, if I had the money to move to the US I'd be buying a semi-auto AUG and a 20" barreled AR15, I loved my service rifle, but it did have a less than stellar trigger and of course magazine changes are slightly slower than on an AR platform.
The F88 was my rifle and I still love it, warts and all.
*Steyr USA, please build AUG A1 variants on the reg.
The AUG's trigger isn't stellar, but it's serviceable, unlike the balance of any AR longer than 10" that doesn't have a storage compartment stock full of birdshot.
> finds need to mention 40 year old
and how old is the AR, retard?
You're right, there are probably still a handful of original 1980s-vintage M4s kicking around in reserve units and various Third World militaries. Or were you implying that I was talking about the age of the platform and not the literal, physical rifles in question?
>40 years old
The AR 15 is old enough to be collecting social security. The ACOG is 37 years old What point are you trying to make?
If steyr sold an up to date aug then they would be more popular. This is prime space gun that theyve sold for decades in europe but refuse to bring to the largest gun market in the world.
No, the problems would still persist
I think every platform has some flaws. One of the large complaints i hear about is how to mount things on an aug with such limited rail space. There is aftermarket solutions sure but the fact is steyr has multiple that could come straight from the factory and they refuse.
Even if you say the mags are an issue steyr has built a model that takes nato mags and keeps the bolt release, but they dont sell it.
Im not sure what other issues you would really have with it. Manual of arms isnt an issue, its just different.
Forgot my 2nd pic.
I thought that the steyr mags were better quality than the NATO mags?
Theyre good. The guys who really like them really like them if you know what i mean. I dont think they perform any better or worse than a pmag.
I was just bringing that up as another common complaint people have thst steyr has a solution for, but refused to bring it to market.
They're better than flimsy aluminum USGI mags, but anyone who thinks they're appreciably better than PMAGs is delusional.
Good thing Magpul makes AUG pmags for like half the cost of Steyr mags
They were the best all polymer magazine design for a very long time.
They dont have the issues early gen PMAG's have, or HK G36 mags, or SIG 55x mags still have to this day.
A shitload of development went into that magazine, it took Magpul years of development and even more years of reiteration.
Are they better than a modern metal reinforced polymer mag like Lancers?
Not really.
Is it as good as a current PMAG?
Absolutely
Lancers are fucking terrible, do not listen to this assclown.
What world are you living in, nagger?
This one. They are absolute crap. Worse than pmags, worse than GI mags. Barely better than cheapo crap like hexmags
Works on my machine. Maybe you should pull whatever garbage rod you've got up your ass out and buy a rifle that's actually in spec.
KAC, DD, LMT, those aren't in spec now? Damn I guess your PSA is the only rifle that is!
can't believe retards are STILL shilling dogshit lancer mags.
>"this would certainly guarantee a malfunction!!"
>doesn't actually show the magazine causing a malfunction
This is what you get for not watching your own videos, anon. You just googled "lancer bad" and linked the first retard you found.
>randomly spitting out extra rounds when jostled won't cause a malfunction
LOL
Show it to us then. Hell, show it to us with your own gun even. You do own those rifles you listed off, right anon?
Yes I do.
Post AR
Those are, in fact, guns.
No, you get an AUG instead. Now show us the malfunction.
>you get an AUG instead
no thank you
> Now show us the malfunction.
I don't have lancers anymore because I only use good magazines, sorry. It's called a double feed go ahead and recreate it any time you want by just tapping your lancer while you shoot.
>Dickmod
yes anon, the rifle I bought before mlok existed did indeed have a keymod handguard.
Let me guess, you bought your first gun in 2020, didn't you?
>no timestamp
post AR first.
Cute penises on your handguard, bet you love holding cocks.
doesn't seem to bother the Bizon
The first video had the “malfunctioning causing mag” loaded into a gun and didn’t try to close the bolt to show it. Why? The second video is literally by “gear shitposting” who has two videos ever. It’s not serious.
Show me the malfunctions happening.
nta but i own lancers and i think they're good
consider your argument refuted
When did this happen? Like a decade ago lancers were the gucci mags and magpul was for poorfags.
Short bullpups are cool too. No idea if the mdr is worth owning yet but the more i see them the more i like. The original handguard is kind of silly looking but all the aftermarket ones make it look a lot nicer.
>When did this happen?
One of those videos is from 12 years ago. The other is from 2 years ago. So the answer is "always".
>Like a decade ago lancers were the gucci mags and magpul was for poorfags.
Lancers are fake gucci for retards, like the other trends from 10 years ago like gold TiN bcgs.
The video from 12 years ago doesn’t show any malfunctions
why doesn't anyone make stendo .308 steel SR25 mags ffs i don't want lame ass magpul cracked feedlips
I dont know anon. Only .308 rifle i own is a scar. Mags are ok but heavy and theres like no aftermarket. The sr25 standard was already a thing when the scar was made, i dont know why FN cheaped out and just resused fal mags. Probably the same idiot that got the mold for the pistol grip wrong.
>The sr25 standard was already a thing when the scar was made, i dont know why FN cheaped out and just resused fal mags
Yeah, the SR-25 existed, and the only gun that used them was the KAC SR-25/M110. That's not really a standard since zero other guns used the pattern at that time. Why would they make their gun use KAC's proprietary magazine, that KAC is too lazy to even make mags for?
>oh those super high quality steel FN mags are too expensive at $50 each, I sure wish instead it was a KAC magazine at $100 which isn't available anywhere anyway because KAC doesn't actually feel like making them!
It'd be fucking retarded to do that. Frankly, the SCAR magazine is better designed.
There were no pmags, there weren't any good aftermarket mags. In fact, there weren't even really other guns using the SR-25 pattern. No LaRue AR-10 yet, no MARS-H/MWS. The DPMS LR-308 would come out one year after the SCAR entered production. In short, there was literally no reason to go with SR-25 pattern magazines, so they didn't.
Even now if you want a quality steel modern production magazine for a .308 rifle, the SCAR mag is the cheapest you're gonna find and the only one that's always readily available for purchase, because again KAC doesn't actually even make anything anymore and LaRue only sells their mags when they feel like it. None of the other steel mags for AR10s are any good.
yeah but nobody makes stendo SCAR mags either. only option is FAL bren mags or weird AK mags. if the RFB wasn't so shit i'd get one just to rock 30 rounders
RFB works alright for me
the weld on the back of the receiver cracks over time
Got any pics? I'm pushing 7k or so through mine and I havent had any issues other than with mags
Cool, thanks man, I'll keep an eye on it.
>definitely cause a malfunction
>inserts mag with manually altered round
>doesn’t bother to close the bolt and show the “guaranteed malfunction”
nagger pmags do the same thing. Nothing wrong with lancers
I've never had any problem whatsoever with Lancers aside from their price, they just werk and they've never had the problems some Pmag variants have with not fitting certain magwells.
Pmags are the standard now, but not the best, and before your magpul cockgoblin fuckhole mouth I own easily 7x more PMAG's than I do lancers - again due to price
Better than a 20 year old aluminum steel GI mag maybe.
The M2 was only announced a few weeks ago.
Until fairly recently it wasn't that easy to mount all the modern tactical force multipliers you wanted to an M4, either, and it doesn't even have the excuse of only being 28" long.
If you aren't worried about passive aiming under NV, there's plenty of room on an A3M1 with the factory set of rails for a white light, laser box and a prism optic or red dot and if you don't have NODs you can run whatever day optic you want with no issues.
Most of the criticism the AUG gets is just AR cultists flinging any shit they can get their hands on, no matter how much it smells.
what the fuck is this grip, just put a FVG on it, jesus christ they're about to "innovate" their way back to a 1970s teacup grip.
have you seen the kawatec trigger
I have not looked into it.
I think were agreeing with each other but im unsure. I agree the AUG is an excellent platform. The guys who hate on it are the same ones who think every rifle should be an AR and every handgun a glock.
>I agree the AUG is an excellent platform. The guys who hate on it are the same ones who think every rifle should be an AR and every handgun a glock.
Agreed, although the better at shooting handguns I get, the more I appreciate the boring practicality of my glog ninedeen
nobody outside Austria has, and Kawatec likes it that way
Explain please. What is the kawatec trigger and why are they austria only? It looks like it has a pre trigger that stages the actual trigger? Im not sure but 60% less weight is a big deal.
>and why are they austria only?
Because Kawatec refuses to sell outside of Austria, not even to other EU countries, and nobody knows why since they don't respond to emails from potential international customers, either.
A shame, since their case deflector is the most elegant on the market—it simply clips onto the stock in place of the opposite-side ejection port cover.
Arid has a deflector that looks nifty
Bonus: they'll actually sell to people outside Austria
just 3D print one. Fuck em
yeah
Their patent doesn't expand to US. Mooseycreatures reached out to them to ask for permission anyway and offered a cut in profits for their mag release. They never responded. They never have shit in stock on their website or respond to anyone. My relatives couldn't buy from them even though they're local. I don't know how they're still in business.
>neighboring countries, the rest of the world, and even your own constituents are waving money in your face to buy your $400 trigger and deflector
>NUH UH
this is the same autism that gave us hitler
rails might harsh the aesthetics
A 20" bullpup with a modern rail would be cool. This shop has like a 24" though.
>Tavor replaced by M4
Is it just one anon forcing this untrue meme, or did a bunch of anons read this on /k/ and are now regurgitating it as fact?
Does israel even use the tavor anymore, I see tons of psyop thots from the idf on youtube shorts with m4s. I think the tavor is pretty much made to export now since I only see india buying them up because they are spiteful of the m4 but don't want to buy russian/chink shit, and their domestic producers are trash because they killed their firearms productivity by being hard on firearms procurement.
>Does israel even use the tavor anymore,
??? Yes its their standard service rifle. They use the MTAR-21 (X95)
yes, see
yeah we do
at the moment only certain divisions in the idf use the tar.
there are many stories and many rumors as to why only some of the army uses it/
but tbh imo in practice it is a financial matter - it is cheaper to maintain an m4 than a tar because it is a platform that has been used by the israeli security forces for about 40 years.
in addition to the elite units - depending on which units it is, the super units (and not recon companies or patrol units and professional units) have a free hand to use what they want.
if you're lucky, you'll see their videos with recent versions of Galil, and if you're even luckier, micro uzis
The X95 is the standard rifle for 3 of the IDF's infantry brigades, the others use M4/M16s
Provide proof or have a nice day.
tavor was replaced by gen 2 tavor, now its a mix of gen 2 and gen 3 in the army
they hardly used the SAR IIRC, pretty much all MTAR
idk what those are i know in the pics from gaza its gen 2 and gen 3 tavors with regular infantry.
there's also the marksman variants and long barrel gen2 with gernade launchers
so the SAR is what the first tavor was called. the MTAR is what the second one was called. there is no "gen 3".
The MTAR was an early iteration of the X95, they've since standardized on a model with a slightly longer (15") barrel and a bunch of features you see on the civ models like the railed handguard. You could probably consider that a "Gen 3"
it's just different furniture. the MTAR and TAR are two completely different firearms mechanically.
> the MTAR and TAR are two completely different firearms mechanically
They're really not. A TAR bcg will literally drop into an X95. They've got a slightly different form factor from the polymer shell, but the major internals are nearly if not literally identical. In terms of internals, the most obvious change would be shorter transfer bars because they cut the OAL, and an added transfer bar for the mag release.
The Tavor 7 is a totally different gat though.
>every Australian Infrantryman actively wants an AR
please cite your sources
The EF88 will be replaced soon in Land 159 Tranche 2 and a conventional rifle will almost certainly be chosen.
https://euro-sd.com/2023/06/news/32307/32307/
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/countries-asia/australia/news/lithgow-arms-manufacture-australian-designed-and-developed-ar
All Aussie SF and quasie SF units exclusively use the M4.
Keep in mind that the Army refused to allow the RAAF to adopt the Glock because muh external safety and still uses the Hi-power.
Funfact Aussie fighter pilots all got issued M4s and Glocks when they deployed to Syria.
but tavor is still used? in fact, line troops use tavors, reservists use m16
ARs are just cheaper to make and they're highly available, that's why they're replacing better options. The military now "prefers" this hunk of garbage, so what's you're point?
>huge hunk of garbage
>its just a piston AR-10
Dod i stutter? It's huge, its a hunk, and it's garbage
>The thing that makes bullpup fags seethe is brought up once more
>makes bullpup fags seethe
>also makes ARfags seethe
>and AKfags
>and Q(eer)BZfags
>just intermediatefags in general
It's like they say, if you're catching complaints you're doing something right
I wouldn't say that, it's more or less catching complaints that consist of bitching and moaning.
Yes, I too like it when my government issues the cheapest possible equipment and people laugh at me which I think is seething!
No. If everyone thinks you suck, you probably do
Don’t care
Luv me AUGs
Luv me ARs
Luv me 20” AUG more than my 20” ARs more than my 16” AUG more than my 16” and below ARs but still luv them all
>Every Australian infantryman just wants an AR
Well that's a fucking lie, everyone I've talked to on the subject fucking love their AUGs.
Bullpoops make too many sacrifices just to try and be 4 inches shorter
When in reality you can do CQB with an 18 inch AR variant just fine and you will also be capable of taking better supported shots from things like baricades or prone
Bullpoops feel shitty to go prone with and even worse to shoot of things like boulders or barricades because they have no handguard and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
Bullpoops aren't war proven they are the opposite
They promote soldiers shooting primarily from an offhand position which is retarded past 100 yards for the average conscript
With a longer heavier rifle a conscript is more likely to lay it down on the ground and go prone or rest it off a barricade of some kind which also means they increase their effective envelope by 600 meters
Offhand shots can be reliably trusted out to 200ish yards but past that you should be trying to build a position so that you can take an accurate shot IMO
One of the videos from the oct 7 where an israeli died he was behind a massive dirt berm but instead of taking a proper position with his rifle steadied and the majority of his body behind cover he was standing up in the open and he got his head torn off.
Bullpoops are gay
>Bullpoops feel shitty to go prone with and even worse to shoot of things like boulders or barricades because they have no handguard and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
This is solved by adding any kind of foregrip to the gun.
foregrips don't help, you need a bipod and its weird to mount bipods on bullpoops
Hell its weird to mount most things on the front of bullpoops because of the limited rail space
Bullpoops are worse in every way except for that they are shorter.
The only reason to actually have short guns IRL is to conceal them or for in vehicles
And at that point a normal rifle can get just as short if its stock can fold like the Bren 2 or Scar or ACR or basically any modern not an AR not a bullpoop rifle
>foregrips don't help
They absolutely do and completely solve the problem. Next idiotic statement please.
>Bullpoops feel shitty to go prone with and even worse to shoot of things like boulders or barricades because they have no handguard and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
yeah I also watched that Hop video
>and your magwell doesn't protect your trigger hand
This is interesting how AUG figured out best bullpop design features so long ago.
saw used one for 4100. why is it 4100 when i see them online for around 2200
Fucking fascinating that this criticism was literally unheard of on /k/ prior to that video dropping, and now it gets brought up in every bullpup thread. /k/ truly does not own guns and has no opinions that dont originate from an influencers lips.
is it really though? it's always like this. i hate these fucking yt shills so goddamn much
>no one truly does not own bullpups
While I am also looking for the final solution to the noguns question, I think in this situation it’s more basically no one has bullpups. That’s pretty true. They aren’t common. The cheaper ones like Keltec you have QC concerns. Other ones are far more expensive and yes that’s a valid complaint and not poorfags complaining. You can get a more accurate, equally or more reliable AR, and hundreds if not thousands of rounds of ammo for the same price.
The advantages or bullpups are pretty niche and not how 99% of people shoot. It’s not a surprise people don’t buy them. Also if you want one because it’s cool and fun, that’s a great reason. You can also buy 3-6 fun guns and have variety which appeals to many.
>A poorly trained conscript did something dumb and died
>this proves my dipshit wrong opinion
Man, if someone dying because they shot not from cover means a gun is bad, you should see how many dumbass Russians have been shot shooting their AKs out in the open.
>every Australian Infrantryman actively wants an AR
Lolno nice try champ
The tavor was never replaced by the M4
None of these were replaced by a direct impingement stoner system.
After using and purchasing an aug irl I just don't get the hate. Yes the standard aug has a worse trigger than an AR, but it's the nato aug that has the really shit trigger.
Maybe insanely fast reloads and le epic ergos of the AR are a big deal if you're spraying full auto constantly but in home defense it doesn't effect you.
An AUG is about the same length as an mp5 yet requires no SBR stamp because it has a 16" barrel. You can even quick swap the barrel to longer ones if you prefer. Doing caliber conversions is very easy. Yes the caliber conversions and extra barrels are expensive atm but I think this is because it never really took off in the US domestic market due to import issues and the AWB ruining it's debut. I will say mounting a pressure pad to an aug is a bit more annoying and finnicky than an AR. For home defense I don't see why you wouldn't use a bullpup, you won't be reloading or doing anything beyond taking the safety off, and you avoid the annoying SBR stamp.
No-gun children 'debating' about things they don't own based on video game or youtube knowledge.
I own both an ar and an aug, suck my dick
what about pic related u gays?
should be updated though and preferrably in 6.5 creedmoor (or something) caliber (JSOC has a tender out to test it).
I want one so bad
Best bullpup ever imo, but needs a .308 version badly, also one with a 20 inch barrel
the tavor isn't replaced by the m4
it's based on a report saying the IDF is phasing the tavor out, in favor of the micro tavor(X95)
Yeah in recent videos form Gaza operation you can see:
Real grunts - Tavor
POGs - M4 or very very old M16.
it just depends on what brigade there are in
one of my friends who served in a reconnaissance unit with an M4, now as a reservist he was attached to a reconnaissance unit of a brigade that uses the tavor, so he's rocking an M-16(with a carry handle scope), because he doesn't want a tavor.
i got an M4 because i was active duty in the combat engineering corps and as a reservist, i'm still a combat engineer. and all of us besides part of our special sapper unit use M4s or M-16s
>Aug
>No status
You had to make up an unverifiable horseshit lie didn't you? AUGs are damn work of art you fucking heathen
ARs are brilliant but I like these
Tavors are NOT being replaced. The IDF recently bought more. That myth needs to fucking die.
5.56 bullpups, unless they are are PDW sized, are pointless. Full size rifle calibers are the only point to the form factor
>Tavors
>replaced by the M4
since fucking when?
>bullpups are so great you guys!
>special forces uses ar
Because they're special Ed, it's in the name.
The IDF has been buying thousands of X95s every year since that fake story came out.
Pic related, X95s in the raid on that HAMAS CP. Now that the heebs are getting stuck in and we're getting footage of frontline troops instead of gaggles reservists in the rear, we're seeing a lot more Tavors
You've got it backwards. The IDF bought Tavors because they wanted to pay off their MIC. Now we're seeing more Tavors because they've called up the conscripts, instead of the special units who have the freedom to choose M4s.
>The guys with X95s, IR lasers, NVGs and agilite plate carriers standing in a hamas command center are conscripts
ok
>noooo you have to take my exceptions and/or public relations shots seriously!
I hope IWI knows their shills are israeliteing them.
>Reservists milling around in the rear with 50 year old ARs is proof they're ditching the tavor
>Frontline troops conducting operations with tavors are photo ops and also proof they're ditching the tavor
ok
you're fucking retarded, the reserve units are given AR's because they get borderline free AR's that are already clapped out, fat stinky cope in here from you
So if I’m looking at a bullpup for my next purchase should I get an Aug, a Tavor, or a Hellion (vhs) and why?
AUG
It's the most aesthetic, it has the most clout, it's a better suppressor host than the Tavor, it has the most aftermarket support, you can pull the barrel to shorten it for storage and transport, it has the most robust track record, it has a more solid optic/laser mounting surface than the Hellion, it's the least expensive—even if you get the waffle mag version (which you should) and have to buy a bunch of new mags for it—it has barrels on offer as short as 14.5" (which are sold without a muzzle device so you can P&W whatever suppressor mount you want), etc.
Thanks bro. The Aug is the one I was leaning toward too.
sorry you got mindbroken by moving the mag location back 10 inches, the rest of us with functioning brains will simply continue to enjoy superior ballistics.
>superior ballistics
lol that's the whole problem with bullpups. Superior ballistics for what?
>oh man it has a longer barrel so it must be great at long range right?
>lol no, terrible barrel harmonics and trigger mean accuracy is worse than standard rifles, has lower effective range than an M4 as a result
oh
>w-well the small size must mean it's great for CQB!
>except you can't transition shoulders, reloading is slower, and bracing the rifle off objects is difficult, and in general everyone with a choice uses an M4 or HK416 instead
oh
I dont believe anybody actually switches shoulders. I know its taught by basically everyone, i just dont think its a thing people actually do.
The rest sound like skill issues.
It was probably more relevant back when people shot with a more bladed-off stance and switching shoulders dramatically reduced how much of your body you were presenting, but with modern squared-off stances the gun is so close to your centerline that the cost of shooting wrong-handed outweighs the benefit of poking a hair less out from a corner or piece of cover.
>unironically recommending 416
>all that other copy+pasted retardation
sounds like you've never held a bullpup in your life.
maybe try shooting guns instead of watching shill youtubers all day?
>unironically recommending 416
you mean
> pointing out the 416 is widely used and is an excellent rifle, also it just recently replaced a bullpup in service because nobody actually likes bullpups lol
>sounds like you've never held a bullpup in your life.
I have used pretty much all of them on the US market.
>AUG
one of the first and somehow still one of the best, still has crippling ergonomic flaws and Steyr could easily improve it by just shipping guns that aren't decades out of date
>Tavor
lol
>that chinkshit bullpup
only shot once, not impressed
>MDR
still has reliability problems, maybe the least shit when it works
>keltec
lol
>HK's nagger rigged piston in a gun never meant for it
i don't give a fuck who does what. it's a piece of shit. if you knew anything about why guns are designed the way they are, you'd think so too.
>broken lug
oh wow! That's something I've never seen happen to an AR-15!
lmao
>umm actually it's ok that my gun breaks because the design was already flawed!
omega cope
it happens way more often in your piston meme when there's no gas pushing the bolt forward like in a DI gun.
>breakage in your picture happened at 25k rounds
>AR15 bolts generally have a lifespan of around 10k
>I-it totally happens more with a piston gun guise!
lol
costa is only shooting on a range. any gun lasts if you have a super low schedule. plus another guy in the same thread lost a bolt at 7000 rounds.
nothing that has the recoil impulse out of allignment with the recoil spring is good. this is basic firearms design.
>posts more AR-15 bolt failures
uh, ok didn't you think those laster longer than HK416s though?
>plus another guy in the same thread lost a bolt at 7000 rounds.
>my dad works at nintendo and he said the HK416 is shit!
that's great anon
basically, cope and remain poor, it's all you can do lol
yeah they do last longer, and they still hardly last at all. which is the point. are you retarded?
>w-well he's a liar!
so when one guy says 25k it's true, when another says 7k, it's not? but i'm supposed to be the one coping?
crazy how bullpups filtered you when you don't even own guns
So anon what about bullpups addresses any of the complaints you've raised? All of the good ones use an AR-15 style bolt which is subject to lug shearing, and 100% of them ever made don't have "it happens way more often in your piston meme when there's no gas pushing the bolt forward like in a DI gun." as you claimed is what causes the 416 bolt to break more, which you now claim doesn't happen. All of them also have "nothing that has the recoil impulse out of allignment with the recoil spring is good." which you claim is bad.
You have no idea how guns work and are just whining because it's all you can do about your situatuation. Nothing you have said has any meaning at all, which is why I've dismissed all of it.
Basically, you're a fucking retard.
you must have dyslexia. i never walked back on anything. i suggest remedial english lessons.
>genuinely doesn't know why having the recoil spring out of alignment with the piston is bad
do you know what leverage is?
have you ever noticed how every purpose built piston gun has the spring in line with the oprod?
of course you haven't, the entire conversation is over your head.
it's the same reason why you can't figure out something as braindead simple as a bullpup.
>do you know what leverage is?
Do you? If your spring is not in line with the bore, it is not in line with the recoil impulse. I made sure to directly quote your retarded blathering so your illiterate ass couldn't say something retarded, but you still did. Impressive.
AR-15=inline recoil impulse
>have you ever noticed how every purpose built piston gun has the spring in line with the oprod?
have you noticed how it's not in line with the bore?
>it's the same reason why you can't figure out something as braindead simple as a bullpup.
They're very easy to figure out, they're purpose built to be terrible guns with on spec advantages that don't translate to any real world use.
holy fuck you're dumb.
the PISTON of the 416 is not in line with the spring.
the AR15 has inline recoil because the gas expands behind the bolt,
thus putting the recoil of the firearm in line with the barrel and the stock.
why do you think stoner invented the internal piston?
it was so he could put the gas expansion right behind the bore and achieve inline recoil.
otherwise he would have just made it a regular piston gun.
but you don't know that because you don't know anything.
on the 416, because the piston is not in line with the spring,
it torques on the carrier. which is why on every piston gun ever,
the spring is behind the piston. the 416 does not have in line recoil.
>which is why on every piston gun ever, the spring is behind the piston
holy shit you're so close to understanding we might be able to hit a breakthrough. Quick question anon, does the HK416 use a buffer spring, yes or no. No whining just answer.
This is what bullpups need to be good:
>20 inch barrel
Optimal ballistics, enough rail space to mount all your garbage, improved handling by moving center of gravity forward
>protected knuckles with a handguard
>fully ambi controls with a bolt catch and such things to be expected of modern rifles
>non-retarded action that you can look into
All bullpups fail at at least one out of these four simple requirements.
nah do it like this. shorter, stronger.
You have gone full circle and invented the bullpup SL8
yeah it's better
I feel like you're describing a x95, just get the longer barrel version and a longer foregrip?
also fix the dogshit terrible accuracy and it might be a useable gun
>can't shoot straight
skill issue
>also fix the dogshit terrible accuracy
Skill issue? I can shoot mine 1.5 MOA and I'm not even a good shot.
I'll never understand why my governement decided to buy guns from the Germans when we could have replaced the FAMAS with another locally produced quality bullpup like this
FAMAS my beloved, you will not be forgotten
>I'll never understand why my governement decided to buy guns from the Germans
Factory was closed.
Also government military contract required specific prerequisites for manufactures (size, ability to fulfill fast extra order, some guarantees manufactures stays in the future etc). These prerequisites basically lock down selection to few European firms: HK, FN, Steyr.
France doesn't have such manufactures.
>France doesn't have such manufactures.
Fuck, I'm even more frustrated now.
Still, I would've prefered if we bought bullpups to the Croatians
Apparently, France needed replacements ASAP and HS didn't have the capacity, as if they couldn't build a French factory and now France is stuck with half a century old design and a Kekler and Kek rifle.
>and now France is stuck with half a century old design and a Kekler and Kek rifle.
BTW French military guy mentioned competition was won by SCAR. But FN fucked up filling documents (not native French speaker filled them pls understand) so FN were rejected because of the clerical error.
Makes sense considering the SCAR beat the 417 to become France's new DMR. Everything I've heard about this trial has been a clusterfuck and that the 416 was the least favored rifle but won for political bullshit reasons.
french infantry is almost exclusively on non-magnified optics? huh?
That's the case for most of Europe.
Umm, Nexter? They've only stopped making FAMAS after the government chose HK instead.
HK416F could be made there, in Tulle, but it's being made in Germany because of politics.
Nexter Tulle has not been closed.
the rail needs to be like one rail-depth higher to match the rail height over comb of an AR
jesus you butchered it
disgusting looks chinese
fucksight better than an mlok tube covered in greebles
Now take 3" off the back end and it would be perfect
You don't see Malyuk in any footage because only SBU super sneaky special forces are allowed to use them. Who don't typically wear gopros and stream what they are doing. Source: Neil Vermillion
Today was a good day
every auto loading gun has a spring. how about you answer why it is that every purpose built piston operated gun, including those made by HK, have the pring behind the oprod?
Aw, looks like you did indeed realize the problem with your argument but couldn't bring yourself to say it. it's ok, we both know you're a little retard.
yeah you have nothing to say. because you don't understand why. but it's understandable, this is the level of discourse i expected from a nogunz.
>nogunz
so you're building a 416 and now you're coping because you found out it's shit and everyone knows it
>nooo everyone knows the 416 is shit, that's why everyone uses it and dump their shitty bullpups to adopt it
lol
she's right you know
you know where the piston fad came from? retarded (like you) grunts thought the AK was reliable because it had a piston. because they don't know how guns work.
so HK made the 416 for delta, a gun that they don't really use anymore.
now it's the closest thing to an AR made in europe,so if you want an AR in europe you have to get a 416.
brits were a bit smarter and just imported colt canada and KAC ARs.
meanwhile the newest iteration of SOPMOD continues to be DI. because the AR was made to be DI, not piston. otherwise they'd put the recoil spring behind the gas key, just like sig does with the MCX.
has it never occurred to you that stoner put the springs in line with the oprod on the ar18?
you still have no answer for this.
has it ever occured to you that the AR-18 has been brought to market a dozen times and failed each and every time, and the HK416 is better in every single way and more widely fielded?
>b-but my entire personality is based on being poor and not having one
guess you'll just have to keep seething then
HK made the 416 because 10" DI guns shit themselves when you run them hard with a suppressor—like "replace the bolt every thousand rounds", "magazines not falling free because they're so caked with fouling", etc.—and the piston keeps all that hot, high-pressure, dirty gas out of the action.
DI is absolutely better for longer guns that can be gassed more reasonably, but for most users having a rifle upper and subcarbine upper with completely different operating mechanisms and no interchangeable parts isn't worth the logistical headache, plus HK isn't restricted by ITAR, is in the EU free trade zone, and has more production capacity than Colt Canada.
and it doesn't solve the problem because the ar15 was not designed to have a piston, which is why SOCOM has been buying a bunch of MCX 300 blackout uppers in different lengths and has stuck with DI for SOPMOD.
>HK made the 416 because 10" DI guns shit themselves when you run them hard with a suppressor and a non adjustable gas block
Fixed
>no timestamp
he bought the wannabe 416 BRN4 upper assembly, and just took off the magpul dust cover.
the poorfag version of an HK shitrod
"poorfag NATO deathsquad rifle" is a vibe
about the same vibe as a .22lr g36 with a fake acog
Thats not the case though man.
The SCAR is the most notable piston gun that doesnt have an oprod return speing because it doesnt have an oprod.
The MDRX also doesnt have an oprod spring.
What,in your mind, is the significance of an oprod spring?
im talking about the recoil spring
Australia still uses the F90
The FAMAS factory shut down
Israel still used the X95
Ukraine forces use both bullpups and conventionals
Sounds like conventionagger cope in here
iraq bought like 100,000 VHS2
And they really like them since it is kind of a status simbol sicnce not everyone gets them.
I wouldn’t consider anything the Iraqi military does to be a ringing endorsement
i feel the same way about HK
How the fuck does a person get so mentally ill that they actively spend time to "shit on" people who like a different product to the product you like?!
Fucking have a nice day, you pathetic subhumans.
can confirm the first one every single 2commando ive met who's actually gotten access to alternate arms chose an AR-15 or an M4
Who cares about what grunts think?
They also think A-10 is a good plane.
wouldnt call the 2commando grunts, theyre one step below the SASR
They get sent to die on "special mission" while regular grunts go die on "regular missions".
eating really good doesn't make you a chef any more than shooting really good makes you an engineer
Best bullpup coming though
>such drama around most basic actions
I see chinese have taken lessons from the IDF propaganda
Checked. But you don’t get it. Machinery performing basic tasks without killing the operator is quite the achievement in China.
I really only go after guns that have a proven track record of reliability.
The best source for constant abuse is the guys at Battlefield Vegas, and they’ve even posted arfcom threads about wear/tear.
The only good bullpup thats survived absolute abusive firing schedules of thousands of rounds weekly with almost zero parts breakage; AUG
The only 556 “standard” gun thats had an equally good track record; Scar 16/17
The only 9mm subgun that doesnt violently die after a month; MP5
Their results after years and multiple guns seeing 50k+ rds, shaped my buying preferences.
Btw, AR/Tavor/Lmt/hk416/uzi fags btfo. Your shit dies inside of 10k regularly.
aug is to finicky give me my tavor block
Battlefield Vegas also finds that stamped AKs can go 100k+ and milled AKs can last effectively forever. Is a milled 5.56 AK the best 5.56 gun of all time perhaps?
nah it's on par with the AR IMO. Both are great but both have their own positives and negatives.
>it's on par with the AR
*teleports behind you*
*breaks your locking lugs at 10k rounds*
heh... nothin personnel, kid.
a bullpup AK (qbz) is what we need
5.45 is fine.
post CPR.
I have 5k sitting in the basement. I think I paid $0.15-0.20
Not to worry though, they'll be back and even PSA is going to make 5.45.
Maybe.
The stamped trunnions shit the bed though. Or the receiver rail welds fail. Or the shitty thin stemmed ak bolts crack. Or the rivets finally egg out the receiver.
Given the readily available information out there, why on god green earth would anyone buy any 7.62x39 ak other than a milled AK is beyond me.
>The stamped trunnions shit the bed though
After like 100k rounds, sure. Puny AR bolts crack at 10k.
> Is a milled 5.56 AK the best 5.56 gun of all time perhaps?
If you're only concerned about durability, maybe.
But considering most people never even fire 1000 rounds and you can buy another AR again cheaply and easily, the need for a gun to last indefinitely while being worse to use that entire time is very questionable.
if your standard is "will it survive a benchrest?" nothing matters, you might as well get a PSA or some other range toy
>muh benchrest
That's the only kind of shooting people putting 100k rounds on a gun do.
and people who only shoot 1000 magdump trash once a year
Battlefield Vegas has great things to say about PSA ARs. They last thousands and thousands of rounds. There are tons of torture tests on them too
yup you should bet your life on it, then. go buy one
>But considering most people never even fire 1000 rounds
I literally have never once been to the range and used less than a hundred rounds. And I'm there once a month, sometimes up to 4 times. What the fuck is the point of owning a combat-viable gun if you don't shoot it? I've put 1k rounds through my tavor since January
I know a dude who bought an aug and hasn't shot it despite owning it for 3+ years. He was in the military but non-combat MOS. It's not that rare unfortunately
A lot of people just buy guns because they look cool, media representation, scared of a ban, or home defense
It doesn't take 1000 rounds to become proficient with any weapon for home defense or most carry situations
i saw their broken parts bin, so many AR carriers and bolts. the AUG has longer lugs which makes it stronger, but the bolt cage likes to break.
Aus infantry only want the M4's because SF use them, after qualling on them we tend to be pretty disappointed by them.
AR-18 is blessed and more future proof design. AR-15 is thing of the past
IDF still uses the Tavor, they just ordered a bunch not that long ago
who uses the ar15 and who uses the tavors?
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the US influencing and training all of the western-aligned countries
pax americana isn't real, it's a total coincidence that all eastern bloc countries used AKs too.
the Chinese just got rid of the world's largest stock of bullpups
>looking to the Chinese for evidence of good engineering
>good engineering
well, in that case, we're back to the AUG. what do, for example, the SASR use?
>countries are only getting rid of bullpups because the US are pressuring them to
>does the US control the Chinese military?
>lol chinks are dumb that doesn't count
What the fuck kind of argument are you trying to make
What about the Brits? Did you know they're getting a new rifle to replace some of their L85s?
Nice goalposts
i removed all the soul to get more sales from AR fags
SCAR 16 >>>>>>>> M4 >> Bullpups
>AR but heavier is good!
actual retard
Should be pointed out that SCAR is the most reliable rifle out there (not its not mud chugging rusty AK).
It's the most reliable firearm in existence, able to routinely go 200,000 rounds with no parts replacements save for barrels to maintain accuramy.
um no. the screws holding the barrel in walk, for one thing. and suppressors destroy the carrier, for another.
People who have actually used them for 200,000 rounds on full auto without parts replacements disagree:
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And suppressor use simply requires gas jet tuning to not do that.
they're magdumping on a pistol range, how could they notice that the gun shoots 4 moa from a loose barrel? screws walking is a known issue, and the stock has a plastic fucking hinge. absolute no-go.
TBF BFV doesn't rebarrel their guns until they start keyholing, but on the other hand how hard is it to witness mark your screws? I know the SCAR has a lot of them, but come on.
>able to routinely go 200,000 rounds with no parts replacements
Source?
Battlefield Vegas. They can pound out 200k+ on them without replacing anything but barrels.
That's super cool OP, thanks for sharing.
Still gonna run my AUG cause it's rad as fuck.
hey, whats going on with the type 95? surely that hasnt been replaced for an AR knockoff, right? right?
Another bullpup bites the dust.
>replaced by keyholing 416 ripoff
atleast with the QBZ you had the chunkier AK bolt to rely on, even if the metallurgy was untrustworthy.
but yeah, a bigger gun shooting the same bullet slower is the smart move.
totaslly not just asiatic money funneling
>AUG absolutely mogs M16 in trials
>some retard on /k/
>ackshully the Australians want the AR15!
Slide thread.
bullpup ergonomics are inherently inferior
ask any infantryman
>just ask anyone with subnormal IQ! they'll agree with me!
you got filtered
Bullpup ergos are measurably superior. The issue is that you think "ergonomics" is Latin for "exactly like an AR15".
>are larpers and labrats out of touch? no, it's the users who are wrong!
This, but unironically. Most of the alleged problems bullpups have come from end user stupidity and all the best designs being too old to railmaxx enough to mount all the shit you need to shoot in the dark.
>guy uses AR for 20 years
>uses bullpup for 30 minutes in a sand pit
>WELL THE BULLPUP ERGONOMICS ARE JUST BAD SINCE IT TAKES 5 SECONDS FOR MY CLUMSY BOOMER SAUSAGE FINGERS TO FIDDLE FADDLE A MAGAZINE INTO THE FOODERFONDLEFOODLER
nagger
>captcha
>nrrrg
yea
>exactly like an AR15
because theyre the pinnicle of firearm ergonomics
until we have magic self loading guns it can not improve from that