Since the whole Finland/Sweden NATO thing has been making the rounds I am interested in what you guys think of the Patria AMOS. The AMOS is a twin barreled 120mm mortar system usually mounted on the Patria AMV like in the picture. Is this a valuable thing to have? Obviously it won't have the range of a big howitzer or whatever but it is highly mobile and has a range of about 10 kilometers and with the twin barreled variant it can do a ten round MRSI burst and the system can be mounted on boats too.
Is mobile artillery something worthwhile when bigger artillery exists too?
I am very pro mortar. They tend to have a very large bursting charge for caliber, and having two barrels is fricking rad.
120mm mortars don’t pack enough punch or have as many specialty rounds to dedicate an entire armored vehicle to it. Pretty dumb idea when things like SPGs and HIMARD exist
Mortars, tube-artillery and MLRS-systems compliment one another. AMOS on AMV is about 20-ton self-propelled artillery system compared for example to 55-ton Pzh 2000.
What AMOS does is that give firepower of whole 120mm mortar platoon as armoured self-propelled weapons system, which is designed to shoot and scoot to avoid counter battery fire, for which traditional towed mortars tend to vulnerable. It is also to fire six shell to same target in a manner, which makes them all hit the target simultaniously.
Also single-barrel version of the system exists and is referred as NEMO.
70% of WW2 casualties were from artillery.
Inside that 70%, 60% were from mortar rounds.
Mortars are incredibly versatile and these days you have GPS/thermal guided AT rounds and very lethal air burst rounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strix_mortar_round
Overall, if you look at artillery, 120 mm is the middle ground between generic mortar and artillery. It's cheap but effective and you can call it in very fast, especially from a dedicated vehicle that can avoid and survive return fire.
These are 81mm
What do you all think of 160mm or even 240mm mortars?
If an army is looking for heavier, mobile firepower to support infantry then mounting a 160mm mortar offers 2x mass of munitions on target and keeps mobility as high as a 120mm armed vehicle
The amos is shit.
Looks like something out of 40k.
>Spend over a decade and a hundred milion sek developing a world class mortar system
>Go so far as to Purchase the chassis for them
>20 years later go back and put the initial test rig into production instead with no nbc protection, no direct fire capability and a hand cranked turret
what did the swedes mean by this?
Fricking what?
https://www.ointres.se/projekt_strf90.htm
" Det såg länge ut som att Strf 90-familjen skulle utökas med ytterligare en variant - en granatkastarvariant med ett 120 mm torn (AMOS) utvecklat i samarbete med Finland. FMV hade redan 2001 låtit beställa 40 stycken chassier i Strf 9040B-konfiguration förberedda för ett dylikt torn – detta för att skapa komponentgemenskap med tidigare beställda fordon. Dessa levererades under 2002 och ställdes in i ett förråd utanför Örnsköldsvik i avvaktan på vidare öden. Hösten 2008 kom emellertid besked från regeringen att Sverige inte skulle fullfölja utvecklingen och heller inte gå vidare i en anskaffning av granatkastarsystemet. Detta bebawd har 2015 ändrats och nu är det bestämt att dessa 40 chassier skall förses med ett 120 mm granatlkastarsystem - dock blir det inte en lösning med AMOS-torn, utan en "billigare" och enklare lösning med 2x120 mm granatkastare i ett torn från BAE Systems Hägglunds AB (en vidareutveckling av det torn som initialt testades på ett Ikv 91-chassi..."
Why swedes are so dum?
The mantra of swedish governments for the last few decades is that if they want more money from their budget they can always take it from the military. And they did until they stripped it down to it's bones. And now they have to try to fix their mistake.
Hagglunds teamed up with Finland's Patria to develop AMOS back in the 1990s. Patria made the mortar and Hagglunds (CV90, BV206 etc.) made the turret. When BAE Land Systems bought Hagglunds, Hagglunds mysteriously dropped out of the project. The fact that BAE has its own, shittier self-propelled mortar design of course had nothing to do with it, or the fact that a large chunk of Patria's stocks were, at the time, owned by EADS, BAE's biggest competitor.
Luckily Patria continued the project and even made a lighter, more budget-friendly version, NEMO.
They even put the single barrel version, NEMO, into a container, any truck/ship can become a mortar carrier with a similar fire control package.
Personally I'd love to sit in an air-conditioned container and blast somali pirates with the direct fire option...
https://www.patriagroup.com/products/mortar-systems-120-mm/patria-nemo-container
>container terror weapon
And they promised to sell those to turks?
>And they promised to sell those to turks?
It's the most comfortable way to rain mortar fire on opposing forces from inside a comfy base, cheaply!
Wouldn't be surprised if those things could work remotely.
Just dig a hole and have truck bring one over and you have an unmanned MRSI mortar placement 100% ready 24/7 for months.
I think it's cool and I would like to personally own one. I think there are good, decent size gun, decent speed, not huge.
didn't they mount that on some boat too?
>Is mobile artillery something worthwhile when bigger artillery exists too?
Normal mortars can be out of a truck and firing within a minute while people in contact are asking for it