Since shotguns are usable to 100 yards I've been looking at one for hunting large game like deer, bighorn sheep and goat. I think I've settled on a mossberg 590a1 mariner but I want some input on whether I should, as well as furniture incompatability or issues.
>usable to 100 yards
They aren't
>but paul harrell
Didn't do pen testing or ballistics testing at that range
>but hickok45
Didn't do pen/ballistics testing at that range
>but the anon that hit a plate once at an unknown range
Didn't do pen/ballistics testing at that range
When it comes down to it, you need penetration and shot placement. You get limited penetration with a slug beyond 50 or so yards. You get no remote wounding seen at rifle velocities. You get no deep penetration seen with rifles.
What you DO get is a great bird gun that works excellent for sitting in a police evidence locker for 3 years before being sold at police auction, after you ventilate Tyrrell at point blank range. Pick another up for $200 and move the fuck on with life. No loss. Exact models also all shoot virtually identical because of the lack of rifling. But don't pretend it's something worth using out to 100+ yards unless you're heavily restricted by hunting legislation.
>590
>bird gun
Was nobody on this site actually raised outdoors/hunting? It isn’t threaded for chokes most barrels available are 20” or less, and it has a massive tube that standard plugs won’t fit into. Also Garand Thumb did a decent video on different shotgun loading at 120 yards, buckshot and slugs will still definitely kill you. Also you get limited penetration with slugs in general, regardless of distance, unless you’re using something like brenneke or a brass solid. Regular lead foster slugs typically don’t even make it through 2 feet of ballistic gel before tearing itself apart or stopping from a point blank distance.
Also OP is retarded for wanting to use a 590 for hunting
Post ballistic backed proof that slugs penetrate more than a foot into bare ballistics gel at 100 yards. Pro tip you won't.
Anon hunters having been taking game at that range for over a century. I don't need to link a youtube video to know you're a noguns gay; you proved it for me.
I tried looking and can’t find any. I found gelatin tests that showed 16-21” of penetration at 10 yards, but not a single test beyond that. forums suggest you can get a pass through on whitetail with them and they are “suitable” (ruined meat) for shoulder shots. I don’t find the penetration suffers much with velocity loss as you trade impact resistance and expansion for momentum. evidently they are accurate to 3-4” groups at 100 yards as well.
20" makes an excellent smoothbore slug gun. 24" is optimal, but nothing longer. Beyond 24" you'll actually see more drag.
>large game like deer, bighorn sheep and goat
Those aren't really large game. But anyway, what type of ammo would you want to use? The mariner model doesn't come with sights so it makes me think you don't want to use slugs. So if you really want to get range out of buckshot then your best option is plated or flight control buckshot and not using a choke (the Mossman isn't threaded for chokes so thats not an issue for that particular gun). If you're thinking about using slugs then probably go for a model that has ghost rings or put a rail on it so you can use an optic. If you're really trying to get range out of slugs you can look into rifled shotgun barrels and using sabot slugs.
>Didn't do pen/ballistics testing at that range
>limited penetration with a slug beyond 50 or so yards
You're making a lot of assumptions. Slug choice greatly affects penetration, and even shitty deeer slugs will penetrate well at 100. GT did some testing and at 80 it went through the dummy. They're not ideal, but they do work.
OP doesn't want a bird gun. The guy you replied to told OP to get a bird gun instead. Read better.
Unless it's for ducks or geese I actually like using shorter shotguns for hunting things like rabbits and ground birds. They're handier and you don't need a super choked gun to kill smaller animals.
to 100 yards
>>They aren't
Retard detected.
>They aren't
They are with slugs ya dumb cunt.
>Didn't do pen testing or ballistics testing at that range
Plenty of other people have and 100 yards it still penetrates deep and still has a lot of power behind it.
Thanks for telling us you don't know shit about shotguns, haven't done any real research.
Retard. We kill deer out to 100yd every year with slugs. You've never hunted, and never butchered a game animal.
>We kill deer out to 100yd every year with slugs
Prove it.
I'm not the 100yd shotgunner, but a 1-ounce slug will definitely fuck shit up at 100yds. My source is I literally fucked your mom.
>no proof
>no proof
Just find me a video of a deer taken at 100+ yards with a slug. It can't be this hard.
Prove that you own a gun.
>more cope and seethe
Sad. So nothing?
No guns huh? Sadly common on a weapons board.
Just find me a video of a deer taken at 100+ yards with a slug. It can't be this hard.
>im not gonna answer your request post a gun noguns xd
>he actually posts gun
>no response
kek
At the 4:30 mark. 300 yards with a 20 gauge. So I think 100 with a 12 is perfectly capable.
Wow that's an amazing shot! That being said, it was a rifled bore a sabot slug. I wouldn't be allowed to use it in my state. But you clearly showed that anon.
>my state
Washington?
Montana. Let me rephrase though, restricted areas that list shotguns as allowed firearms for taking deer require a smooth bore.
Rifles slugs are fine at 100 yards. 1,200 ftlbs at 100 yards is more energy than .44 magnum out of the barrel.
Are rifled chokes allowed?
I don't see any literature mentioning them specifically.
>They aren't
Depends on the slug type and sights. I know a guy who shoots slugs out of his Saiga 12 as far as 100 meters. He likes to test slugs with the cylinder bore just to see how tight far shooting groups may be without any additions and chokes. And he shot various slugs including ones that are not meant for longer range use.
You're probably better off with a rifled shotgun and sabot slugs. That said, if you're allowed to use rifle cartridges to hunt, you'd be an idiot not to.
that is why scoped rifled shotguns exist
why are you going for shotgun over rifle tho?
Greater versatility, and hunting restricions in my state
>Greater versatility
what versatility do you actually intend to take advantage of? a lot of the times people like shotguns because they're 'versatile' and then only end up using them for one thing that a rifle could probably do better.
Can you use straightwalled cartridges like .350 legend or pistols?
My state doesn't allow rifles for hunting, so we use shotguns for whitetail deer. Harvesting them at 50 to 100 yards is common.
I was thinking of the Mossberg 590 too, hoping to see if anyone can tell us about them too.
As someone who had a 590a1, the thicker barrel isn't worth it. In fact none of the price difference (over 800 dollars vs 260-400) was worthwhile. Some might consider the metal tang safety better because the plastic one can engage under heavy recoil. If you buy a maverick 88 (what I sold the 590 for) it isn't a problem.
Honestly the only pump action shotguns I'd ever buy from mossberg are the maverick and turkey guns. The tang safety cuts my hand sometimes, and it just kind of sucks. The maverick 88 rattles more than the 590a1 and the barrel is thinner, maybe the receiver too. The bluing is shit but I'm in a dry area. I can't find where the $550 price difference comes into play. I actually sold my 590a1 for 2.5x the value of the maverick I replaced it with.
Neither had a difference in functionality, accuracy, or recoil.
PrepHole fucking hates shotguns for some reason
by an ar durrrrr
590s are good but for 100 yards shooting i would prefer the longer barrel ones. long barrel and chike makes for good placements/ballistics. of course, no choke if you're using slugs. if any of these gorilla morons imply birdshot is good at killing anything bigger than a bird disregard their opinion on anything. hmmmm do i want the ammo for killing Bucks or the ammo for killing birds... youd think these retards would use snake shot 5.56 in their ar how much the shill bird. rifled slugs for optimal accuracy, but the price per is kinda high. for buckshot 00 is the moves. 000 is not much better.
Just get a 500 field. Mariner finish is overkill, 590a1 is a tactical shotgun with a 20 inch barrel that's not for hunting
Heard the Mariner is pretty overrated
It's rust-resistant, not rust-proof, and from what I've heard it's really not that much better at resisting rust. I've never had one though, so what do I know. All I know is that my 100-year-old parkerized Remington is still rust-free.
870 wingmaster if you're a man of discernment