1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How the fuck are they still popular after so many failures?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People who worship zogs central banking enforcement arm, and want the same service weapon, even if said weapon is a cheap piece of crap designed to undercut the competition rather than outperform them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Holy fuck speak English, 4chanmoron

    • 1 month ago
      Burt

      Because they sell a LOT and the failures are incredibly rare I imagine. P320 drop safety and Cross trigger being exceptions worthy of recall/voluntary """""upgrade""""" lol

      All current sigs should be avoided.

      For exactly what model-specific reasons? Please be specific and remain in current tense, as there have been many many product iterations in the last few years.

      are there any SIG pistols that aren't massive failures? The 365xl?

      I don't think any were MASSIVE failures, the P320 and P365 are like the #2 and #3 selling pistols lol. idk of all the stuff, the P320 is the most spooky to me, I'd buy and trust any other gun because the ones that did have issues have had physical corrections.

      The European manufactured Sig firearms are great. amerigan sig is a shitpile

      nu-sig is so bad its not even funny, shitty quality hk.

      Can you quantify that with specifics? I own German Sigs, US Sigs and US/German Frankensigs and I couldn't point to any specific differences in quality, reliability, accuracy, trigger attributes or anything else. Can you please?

      https://i.imgur.com/AxdpBsV.png

      what's wrong siggers? can't blame it on cops being retarded this time? crazy how this shit never seems to happen with Glocks™

      >crazy how this shit never seems to happen with Glocks™
      lol Huwhat there is literally a term "glock leg" because it's been happening for 40 years

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Biggest cope post on the board right now. Only a fool would buy a firearm from a garden gnome ran company with Indian MIM parts.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          how come you didnt address a single one of his spam replies?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I was going to but when I saw:

            >as there have been many many product iterations in the last few years.

            I knew if he can't see the absurdity of a company having to make numerous iterations to a fire control group to prevent the gun from fucking firing by itself then there is nothing I can say. That's the one thing that 100% needs to be done right the first time and Sig keeps fucking it up.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I really hope you don't look up the teething problems Glock had.
              I really don't. It'll upset you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Another company releasing shit doesn't excuse another company from releasing shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Glocks also exploded for a while during the early Gen 5 months. Oops.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Burt has been coping in /hg/ for months about this issue. It's only the recent video that is changing his tone. Sure we could chalk it up to sig haters and hearsay, but lots of people hate glocks and nobody complains about theirs fucking randomly discharging. Why not buy one of the many other good brands?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Glocks literally can't, it's part of the design. Striker is not cocked all the way, if dropped from the "cocked" position it doesn't have enough energy to detonate a primer. That's also why the trigger is such shite on glocks but that's your tradeoff. Then again, Walther seems capable of making a really nice striker trigger without these issues so eh.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I hate Glock as a company. I like Glock pistols, I don't like how they charge for a basic ass gun with zero features in the year 2022 when every gun now come optics ready with night sights. HOWEVER, any company that can't get its fucking fire control group right the first time needs to just fucking die. Especially on MULTIPLE firearms.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >night sights
              total meme. If you're shooting at night you need a light. If your light is on you can't see the tritium.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >if your light is on you can't see the tritium
                you're 100% boner fried fucking retarded, i mean diminished in a mental capacity, unfit for any semblance of intelligence much less posting on this board. did your mom type that up for you? she would because you're special, and she's the only one living that thinks you're right. don't ever, EVER post shit you don't know shit about again, because in a dark room or place with no overhead light, with irons and a WML, all you'll see is the silhouette of your irons WITHOUT any dots. Tritium not only helps as a reference to get them lined up correctly faster, but aids to keep them straight when focused on a target or your front sight if you even can in the darkness. Next time you're talking out your ass, fucking DON'T.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, none of that shit matters dude. Once your WML is on the tritium is gone. If you're lining up your sights on shit you can't see, you're a jackass and a retard.

                The one and only singular use for tritium sights is to see where your gun is on the nightstand. That's it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I can tell you
                >Don't own NV
                >Probably don't own Tritium sights
                >Probably don't own any guns at all
                >Have never shot at night

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>Don't own NV
                Using tritium with night vision? Nobody does this. If you can afford NODs you can afford a red dot, and that tritium shit will just be in the way making everything worse. Absolutely lowest tier option available. Actively detrimental.
                >probably don't own any tritium sights
                >don't own any guns at all
                >have never shot at night
                Pop quiz, how many tritium sights are in this picture?

                Tritium handgun sights are a meme. The fact people get defensive over this is hilarious to me.

                I didn't bother trying to take a pic because it would never come out right and it would be a waste of time, but I just double checked on my own gun and you can definitely see tritium with your light on in a dark room. It's diminished because of the contrast with the bright light, sure, but it's still enough to line up your sights.

                Get a better light

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I can tell you
                >Don't own NV
                >Probably don't own Tritium sights
                >Probably don't own any guns at all
                >Have never shot at night

                Here's the picture I mean to post

                He's a fucking noguns moron, if you use NV you would know how useful tritium is when passive aiming, especially as a backup to an RDS. It's either tritium or RDS, and if you don't have either you aren't gonna see shit.

                If you use NV you know tritium is godawful to use under night vision and holy shit having it as a backup to your red dot is the most fucked up ridiculous option imaginable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If you use NV you know tritium is godawful to use under night vision and holy shit having it as a backup to your red dot is the most fucked up ridiculous option imaginable.
                I can tell you don't use NV because if you did you would know you can modify the light input you have to offset the loss of focus and utilize either your RDS or backup sights as needed. There's absolutely no point in having black backups unless you are purely competition shooting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >dood you can change your sionyx aurora to pick up the tritium!
                Yeah that's great man
                >There's absolutely no point in having black backups unless you are purely competition shooting.
                Except of course if you want to use your red dot which is a much better option than tritium iron sights. Then it becomes very advantageous to not have a bunch of other bright glowing shit in the way.

                >My point is you don't know what you're talking about.
                I still have yet to see anyone post their NOD setup. So all I hear is children crying.

                >y-you're nogunz
                >y-you're nonodz
                So, you gonna post anything? No?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you actually paid for a fucking SR15 or upper and not one but TWO ACGOs shows me you literally just browse /arg/ and parrot shit out of your asshole. Also I see no LAM or NV in this setup at all. All I see is overpriced shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that you actually paid for a fucking SR15 or upper
                I don't think you're mad enough yet, so I'm torn between posting what I paid for the SR-15 upper and posting my other optics. Which would make you more upset?
                >and not one but TWO ACGOs
                Yeah, it's my favorite optic. Saw a great deal so picked up a second.
                >shows me you literally just browse /arg/ and parrot shit out of your asshole.
                Not particularly.
                >Also I see no LAM or NV in this setup at all.
                That'd be because neither rifle is set up for night vision. I did have a bridged dual PVS-14 setup, it sucked so I sold it. Looking at other options now. Night vision isn't very important to me. However, I have used it enough to know tritium is not what I would ever want to use when shooting at night. If I could turn it off, it'd be an ok backup. But that's not really how pistol sights work.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post Nods

                >If you can afford NODs you can afford a red dot,
                Yea, I have all 3. Your point?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Yea, I have all 3. Your point?
                My point is you don't know what you're talking about.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >My point is you don't know what you're talking about.
                I still have yet to see anyone post their NOD setup. So all I hear is children crying.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't bother trying to take a pic because it would never come out right and it would be a waste of time, but I just double checked on my own gun and you can definitely see tritium with your light on in a dark room. It's diminished because of the contrast with the bright light, sure, but it's still enough to line up your sights.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's a fucking noguns moron, if you use NV you would know how useful tritium is when passive aiming, especially as a backup to an RDS. It's either tritium or RDS, and if you don't have either you aren't gonna see shit.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >optics ready
              gay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's because Burt is a reddit tier NPC who needs some retard on plebbit to make a post that gets gold or stickied or whatever the fuck they do over there for him to change and formulate opinions. you wouldn't think it takes a genius to understand that owning a lot of guns doesn't make you knowledgeable on them. But thanks to Burt this is easy to explain given all his wrong takes and all he does to try to prove you wrong is post his collection.

        • 1 month ago
          Burt

          I was going to but when I saw:

          >as there have been many many product iterations in the last few years.

          I knew if he can't see the absurdity of a company having to make numerous iterations to a fire control group to prevent the gun from fucking firing by itself then there is nothing I can say. That's the one thing that 100% needs to be done right the first time and Sig keeps fucking it up.

          The problem here is you're conjecturing and strawmanning dumb crap like garden gnome boogeyman and MIM. You don't know why they iterate fire control components except for the rare instances when they publicly say why, such as with the P320 drop thing or the P365 striker tips or the MCX version 4 aka Spear LT. They change all their products and parts frequently with no fanfare and no apparent damage/safety/concern motivation, sometimes they do it to make parts cheaper like MIM extractors sometimes they do it to improve a product like the several P320 optic cut changes. Another one is the P365 striker; they changed it once to address the tips breaking off. Then they changed it again, and again. There are 4 documented P365 striker iterations, why did they keep going after the first one fixed the issue?

          Replying about why amerigan sig blows and European Sig is good to go. European Sigs had an acceptable finish, cool designs, and didn’t have countless issues. What was it something like 19+ lawsuits and counting against amerigan sig for safety issues? They have the worst quality finish I’ve seen for the price you pay for them too, the shit isn’t durable at all and also seems to rust easier than say a Glock or Smith & Wesson

          I think it was 50 lawsuits over them firing in holsters, idk how many more for other stuff. Not going to wade into that issue again but lawsuits don't equal evidence of failure. Video is evidence, and there is some of that, 2 in the last couple of days which is credible.

          Sig's normal nitride finish is the same as anyone else's in the industry, idk how you can say it's the worst at the price. Tennifer on glok and HK is different than almost any other nitride finish, which is rad but that's not a ding on Sig. S&W uses the same process, so do dozens of others. Are you conflating the early Legion surface rust thing with Sigs in general maybe?

          And their AR-15 fcg catestrophic failure recall, and the entirety of the sig 556xi, and the P365 issues, and then the issues they had after they fixed those issues. Then of course there were all the issues with the original MPX and MCX.

          Why is sig incapable of releasing a complete functional product, ever? Everyone else does it. They're not fucking Kel Tec. There's no excuse.

          Yeah I know about all that, which of those are you calling "massive?" The 556xi was a total fumble, that thing is as close as you could get to calling a massive failure. Everything else is little issues some of which with really big consequences, and mostly all if not all of them have been iterated out, except the newest P320 holster/wiggle firing thing which is still rare as rare can be.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >strawmanning dumb crap like garden gnome boogeyman and MIM.

            Burt has shit-tier pattern recognition confirmed.

            >You don't know why they iterate fire control components

            I know EXACTLY why the iterated the FCG components. The fucked up, big time. No one iterates on MIM tooling. MIM tooling isn't cheap and they aren't scrapping it unless there is a major problem. That's the kind of stuff that gets people fired and people screaming at each other. Optic cut changes, aren't a big deal since the slides are machined, but MIM tooling changes means they saw a disaster looming. Did they get it right the second time, or the third time? Who knows? Probably Sig doesn't even know. Judging by the video in

            Another Sig moment
            https://www.tiktok.com/@chefchrisc/video/7128390964959497518

            these guns still have major issues even after Sig's latest rushed revision.

            The craziest part about this is there needs to be two major failures for the weapon to fire, the sear needs to slip and the striker block safety also needs to fail to arrest the striker. I bet there are guns in holsters right now where they had the sear slip but the striker block caught the striker. They have a dead trigger and don't even know it.

            • 1 month ago
              Burt

              I'm having trouble following this logic though. Let's stick to specific quantifiable examples because once you get off into the weeds it's just baseless rhetoric.

              The P365 striker was flawed in it's first iteration. The first 1,000 pistols suffered a number of broken striker tips that was documented and spread around the internet. Okay so Sig sees this and panicmodes a new iteration of P365 striker, #2. Tips aren't breaking anymore.

              Then a few months later P365 buyers are posting pictures of another P365 striker, iteration #3. Sig already stopped the tips breaking, why did this one happen? Then a few more months later new P365 buyers post pictures of yet another striker iteration, #4. Why did they do it yet again when the danger had passed 2 generations prior? They do this very frequently across their entire product line, not just with CNC'd stuff but mostly with little MIM parts. There's pictures of many of them buried in forums over the last few years.

              Now you and I, we can only speculate why they are doing this. 1 iterative change, I'm 100% on board with you, I think they do it for liability damage control reasons. 2 changes? 3? They've changed so many parts on the MCX it's been sold under at least 4 different names now, each model with SUBSTANTIAL iterative design changes over years of production. A last year MCX is a substantially improved product over a first year MCX, though most of Sig's other product iterations aren't as dramatic. I can see two reasons for them doing this. Either to make parts cheaper or to add features they can boast about. Do you seriously think their entire product line is THAT rife with insane dangerous design flaws that they would keep changing the same part multiple times even though the problem that initiated the first change was solved? That seems totally beyond belief to me but it seems like half the people in this thread believe that's not just possible but inarguable reality.

              Crazy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You keep bring up the P365 but this thread is about the P320 firing by itself.

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                Anon there are 5 different Sigs mentioned in the first 10 posts of this thread alone and TONS of discussion about the P365, including a video of one failing.

                Burt you are a fucking horrific shill

                They ARE still having problems. They continue to change things because they are

                A. “Fixing” critical issues
                B. Cost cutting (thus creating new issues)

                Why the fuck are you defending them? They have a horrific track record the last 5 years or so, the P320s have demonstrable safety issues TO THIS DAY.

                No other company gets defended like this. You’re a stupid fat boomer and you need to stop shilling.

                You're not having trouble, you're just a shill doing damage control.

                You're speculating and ignoring the discussion guys. I couldn't care less about Sig's status or success, I already own the Sigs I want to own. What happens to the brand is irrelevant and implying I have a stake or keen interest in defending it in it is kingly stupid.

                I'm here to challenge dumb comments for additional details, clarify what people are claiming and play devil's advocate to make you think critically instead of just parrot memes or racism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why keep talking to a group of people who love throwing around buzzwords so much? They're morons who think the Dunning Krueger Effect is a lifestyle not an insult.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >play devil's advocate to make you think critically instead of just parrot memes or racism.

                You're a stupid fuck burt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you keep projecting your own insecurities on people? YOU ARE THE MORON OF THIS STORY. You have nothing. Even if you are trolling you have done nothing but prove to everyone how absolutely brainwashed you are yourself. The mind of a middle schooler and the thought process of a garden salad is all you are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The truth is more important than anything else. I'm sorry if it makes you upset.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But that's not what you are telling.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry you had to find out like this, in a sig thread of all places. It was tough for me too. I'm here if you need to talk to someone.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                all you're doing is posting shitty conspiracy theories while trying to act smug and enlightened

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The New York Time
                >Shitty conspiracy theories

                Looks like we can agree on one thing. Anyway, here's another one with better sources.

                And here's the sources for

                https://i.imgur.com/v4f9vz4.jpg

                The truth is more important than anything else. I'm sorry if it makes you upset.

                https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/v4f9vz4.jpg

                The truth is more important than anything else. I'm sorry if it makes you upset.

                https://i.imgur.com/RsYfAXJ.jpg

                >play devil's advocate to make you think critically instead of just parrot memes or racism.

                You're a stupid fuck burt

                Bro all that shit may be true but it's also autistic and not how you are gonna reach people. I would be pro-white even if we were the niggest race because I am white. We deserve dignity and sovereignty over ourselves and we shouldn't have to live under a cabal of international gangsters and their pet terrorist state. You gotta go with the feels man, not the autism. Acknowledging racial differences are real and matter is not the same as hating people for their race either. Anyway, post handguns and stop letting your tism shart in the thread.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're not having trouble, you're just a shill doing damage control.

              • 1 month ago
                Burt is a Dumb Nigger

                Burt you are a fucking horrific shill

                They ARE still having problems. They continue to change things because they are

                A. “Fixing” critical issues
                B. Cost cutting (thus creating new issues)

                Why the fuck are you defending them? They have a horrific track record the last 5 years or so, the P320s have demonstrable safety issues TO THIS DAY.

                No other company gets defended like this. You’re a stupid fat boomer and you need to stop shilling.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine being so angry at someone you have to namefag an insult that any middle schooler could have come up with. You are unoriginal and can't think of anything except shill, blaming everything on corruption and constantly saying sigger. You have no life and at this point have to fuck the grass to get any respect back. gay

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                YWNBAW

                Enjoy your Cohen goyslop!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and you're a poltard who owns no weapons. Enjoy your own board since you can't form a coherent sentence without saying buzzwords and thinking about trannies constantly.

                gay.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I know for a fact that you’re a homosexual. You’re a freak and you know it, it’s okay if you bought a Sig, there’s still time to sell it and retain a shred of dignity. I’ll be praying for you.

                Anon there are 5 different Sigs mentioned in the first 10 posts of this thread alone and TONS of discussion about the P365, including a video of one failing.

                [...]
                [...]
                You're speculating and ignoring the discussion guys. I couldn't care less about Sig's status or success, I already own the Sigs I want to own. What happens to the brand is irrelevant and implying I have a stake or keen interest in defending it in it is kingly stupid.

                I'm here to challenge dumb comments for additional details, clarify what people are claiming and play devil's advocate to make you think critically instead of just parrot memes or racism.

                You’re here to swallow Ron Cohens ballsack apparently. The fact you won’t even admit that P320s are possibly unsafe says it all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So you yourself are the homosexual? I haven't talked about anything involving the gay yet you thrust it upon me like you yourself have something to hide?

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                >The fact you won’t even admit that P320s are possibly unsafe says it all.
                You apparently haven't read my posts

                Because they sell a LOT and the failures are incredibly rare I imagine. P320 drop safety and Cross trigger being exceptions worthy of recall/voluntary """""upgrade""""" lol

                [...]
                For exactly what model-specific reasons? Please be specific and remain in current tense, as there have been many many product iterations in the last few years.

                [...]
                I don't think any were MASSIVE failures, the P320 and P365 are like the #2 and #3 selling pistols lol. idk of all the stuff, the P320 is the most spooky to me, I'd buy and trust any other gun because the ones that did have issues have had physical corrections.

                [...]
                [...]
                Can you quantify that with specifics? I own German Sigs, US Sigs and US/German Frankensigs and I couldn't point to any specific differences in quality, reliability, accuracy, trigger attributes or anything else. Can you please?

                [...]
                >crazy how this shit never seems to happen with Glocks™
                lol Huwhat there is literally a term "glock leg" because it's been happening for 40 years

                >P320 drop safety and Cross trigger being exceptions worthy of recall/voluntary """""upgrade""""" lol
                >of all the stuff, the P320 is the most spooky to me, I'd buy and trust any other gun

                [...]
                The problem here is you're conjecturing and strawmanning dumb crap like garden gnome boogeyman and MIM. You don't know why they iterate fire control components except for the rare instances when they publicly say why, such as with the P320 drop thing or the P365 striker tips or the MCX version 4 aka Spear LT. They change all their products and parts frequently with no fanfare and no apparent damage/safety/concern motivation, sometimes they do it to make parts cheaper like MIM extractors sometimes they do it to improve a product like the several P320 optic cut changes. Another one is the P365 striker; they changed it once to address the tips breaking off. Then they changed it again, and again. There are 4 documented P365 striker iterations, why did they keep going after the first one fixed the issue?

                [...]
                I think it was 50 lawsuits over them firing in holsters, idk how many more for other stuff. Not going to wade into that issue again but lawsuits don't equal evidence of failure. Video is evidence, and there is some of that, 2 in the last couple of days which is credible.

                Sig's normal nitride finish is the same as anyone else's in the industry, idk how you can say it's the worst at the price. Tennifer on glok and HK is different than almost any other nitride finish, which is rad but that's not a ding on Sig. S&W uses the same process, so do dozens of others. Are you conflating the early Legion surface rust thing with Sigs in general maybe?

                [...]
                Yeah I know about all that, which of those are you calling "massive?" The 556xi was a total fumble, that thing is as close as you could get to calling a massive failure. Everything else is little issues some of which with really big consequences, and mostly all if not all of them have been iterated out, except the newest P320 holster/wiggle firing thing which is still rare as rare can be.

                >I think it was 50 lawsuits over them firing in holsters, idk how many more for other stuff. Not going to wade into that issue again but lawsuits don't equal evidence of failure. Video is evidence, and there is some of that, 2 in the last couple of days which is credible.
                >mostly all if not all of them have been iterated out, except the newest P320 holster/wiggle firing thing which is still rare

                https://i.imgur.com/AatpQkl.jpg

                >Gun fires when trigger is pulled, news at 10!
                The R51 just had feeding problems, the P365 surpassed R51 tier literally with it's first 1,000 pistols having weak firing pin tips, trigger springs popping out, barrel peening and sights flying out of the slide, your comparison is whack if you think dogging the P365 by calling it R51 level is a burn.

                But the conclusion is that Remington went out of business because they couldn't solve the R51's comparatively simple problem even with an overhaul, or any of their other problems. Sig made a handful of iterative changes to the P365 and went on to steal the entire subcompact handgun market. The whole industry has been scrambling for 5 years to eke out a slice of Sig's pie.

                I'd be interested to know the repair status of that pistol in the video, or who else has experienced that.

                [...]
                idk what that means

                [...]
                Even if you could prove ~~*donations*~~ were happening how on Earth would that affect commercial sales to propel the P320 to just under glok status in the US market? Next thing you're going to tell me is muh Awmy coontract larpers, because the Beretta M9 was also in a top 3 spot for commercial sa--oh wait not even in the top 8 highest selling handguns.

                I can't explain the P320's success either because it's so shockingly mediocre and surrounded with years of controversy, but let's not make things up.

                >I can't explain the P320's success either because it's so shockingly mediocre and surrounded with years of controversy, but let's not make things up.

                https://i.imgur.com/I87FNNE.jpg

                That's pretty reasonable, but like anon points out they still make products unblemished by large snafus, the P22Xs and P210 for example. I don't own any new P22Xs either, my latest one is from 2009 I think. I love my P210A, even though it's built down to a price us normies can tolerate by omitting the locking lugs and using extensive MIM.

                [...]
                Did you send in for the """""""voluntary upgrade"""""""? It would be irresponsible to sell a pre-update P320 imo. But if you don't like it anymore heck yeah sell it, there's no shortage of people who will gobble it up so you can buy what you like, and if you change your mind there will be accessible P320s for a very long time

                >Did you send in for the """""""voluntary upgrade"""""""? It would be irresponsible to sell a pre-update P320 imo.

                Is there anything else you'd like to strawman or >imply? Here, I'll be even more overt for you:
                I would not buy a P320 of any form because of the holster/wiggle issue. Not after the 2 videos from different competition guys in the last couple of days, despite it being a terribly rare occurrence.

                It's so disheartening to see this 100% or 0% sith logic be so prevalent here. You have to LOVE it or you have to HATE it with zero room in the middle. Life isn't like that man.

                Why keep talking to a group of people who love throwing around buzzwords so much? They're morons who think the Dunning Krueger Effect is a lifestyle not an insult.

                Because it makes a difference. It happened here with Beretta, it happened with Sig as a brand which used to be universally maligned 10 years ago, though now they are falling back out of favor. People see through the BS, it's just the antisocial autists who can't break through. I do it for the people with brains

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You have to LOVE it or you have to HATE it with zero room in the middle.

                Says the guy that shows up to shit on HK whenever possible.

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                HK being stupidly overpriced and having mediocre attributes doesn't mean I subjectively hate them nor does it mean they are objectively bad. Just like I've been saying it's in the middle. I like HK, I have lots of them. How braindead would I have to be to have and like them if I thought they were crap?

                Kochsuckers cannot resist an opportunity to flex. Just because I show up with a picture of how average their manufacturing quality is and temper people's memery with a reality check on price doesn't mean I fall to either extreme end.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It costs a lot of money to do it right the first time. Hell even HK had problems with the VP9 when they tried to capture the mid-priced market.

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                That doesn't fly 30 years after development stopped lol. Beretta did it "right" the first time with the APX yet it was only $400 when first launched and they've been under $350 a few times since then

                >It's so disheartening to see this 100% or 0% sith logic be so prevalent here. You have to LOVE it or you have to HATE it with zero room in the middle. Life isn't like that man.
                Nah, it makes perfect sense. Some people care about the reputation and reliability of their gear because their life depends on it. If my confined space entry hoist had an "oops sometimes it just randomly decides to maybe kill somebody and also every new model will be broken and need to be sent back for maybe repairs or just a sorry buy the new model response" I would say that's a pretty fuckin shit company making it and it is completely unacceptable. I don't feel like dying because quality control and testing has taken a lower rung on the priority list than advertising.

                That's why I think Sig is a completely shit company and their conduct is entirely unacceptable. Even once would not be ok. But it's a lot more than once. It's every single new release.

                If you limit the scope of your argument to self defense use, I pretty much agree. But guns can be used for other things too. It doesn't excuse the flaws but it brings it out of the realm of absoluteism nuPrepHole is so fond of.

                This thread has me nervous about buying a 365 now.

                Nothing wrong with prudence friend. fwiw the numerous launch issues of the P365 seem to be in the past, and the only indication otherwise is the single video of the wonky one where the guy pulls the trigger, the gun doesn't fire, then shakes it and it fires. I haven't seen anything other than the video demonstration but that kind of thing can happen with aftermarket triggers when it's not adjusted correctly for overtravel. idk if that's what's happening with that one specific P365 though.

                Buy hey dude, there are like 5 other P365 alternatives now and most of them are pretty good too!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Beretta did it "right" the first time with the APX

                Yeah I'm sure all 12 people that bought the APX are thrilled with it. Not much of a sample size though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah I'm sure all 12 people that bought the APX are thrilled with it.
                Extremely

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We dont deserve you burd.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He tells the truth and then gets three retards so mad they shit up the entire board. It's beautiful really

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's so disheartening to see this 100% or 0% sith logic be so prevalent here. You have to LOVE it or you have to HATE it with zero room in the middle. Life isn't like that man.
                Nah, it makes perfect sense. Some people care about the reputation and reliability of their gear because their life depends on it. If my confined space entry hoist had an "oops sometimes it just randomly decides to maybe kill somebody and also every new model will be broken and need to be sent back for maybe repairs or just a sorry buy the new model response" I would say that's a pretty fuckin shit company making it and it is completely unacceptable. I don't feel like dying because quality control and testing has taken a lower rung on the priority list than advertising.

                That's why I think Sig is a completely shit company and their conduct is entirely unacceptable. Even once would not be ok. But it's a lot more than once. It's every single new release.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This thread has me nervous about buying a 365 now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It will probably be fine but you will be funding Satan himself

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well they both speak kraut regardless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >This thread has me nervous about buying a 365 now.
                I am speechless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Put the trip back on Burt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Im not burt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day garden gnome shill

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And you should interact with the family you have left that don't think you're a massive embarrassment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's done this for years. When the shit he claims was in the past was current, he was doing this. In a year when Sig releases some new product and it is also horrible he will still defend it.

                There is no excuse for life saving equipment to not work. There is no excuse for every single Sig release to have glaring flaws, safety issues, and multiple revisions needed to make the gun work or be safe. It's like clockwork. It's the only thing you can rely on from Sig, failure at every new release. Sig releases new gun. New gun is totally broken, unsafe, and you'd have to be retarded to trust your life to it. Yet they will sell it to you, take your money, even when they know for a fact the gun isn't ready. Much like the P320, which was and is unsafe and unfit for duty. It's why they fixed the gun for hte Army, yet delayed announcing the gun was fucked up and could kill you, until people started getting hurt.

                There isn't even any reason to defend this. Sig needs to unfuck themselves.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          wait, so did the recall fix this problem with the p320 or not?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why are you asking that noguns gay?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i'll ask you then, did they fix it? is the p320 no longer having the misfire issue?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It still is, it always has been. There are also still thousands of them out there that never received the “””fix””” that Sig implemented. Even the ones with the “””Fix””” aren’t safe though.

                Also the guy you’re responding to is a deranged freak who thinks no one holds right of center beliefs and owns guns lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >still thousands of them
                hundreds of thousands.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wait so even after the "fix" and videos explaining how it can't misfire after the "fix" it still misfires and theres still active cases of misfires? that means the military variant is having the most misfires as well. how tf does the military not retract the fucking contract?

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                wait so even after the "fix" and videos explaining how it can't misfire after the "fix" it still misfires and theres still active cases of misfires? that means the military variant is having the most misfires as well. how tf does the military not retract the fucking contract?

                You may be conflating two different issues with the P320, and anon is preying on that confusion to bias you.

                One issue is the drop safety fiasco of 2017, that has been dealt with in all production units made after that point and many though not all of those pre-"Update" units have been sent in and fixed. There are a small number still out there, not "hundreds of thousands."

                The other issue is the more recent one where P320s are firing in holsters or while being manipulated but without the trigger being pressed. This is a different issue with a different physical cause that has not yet been pinned down publicly. There are no P320s that can be made to fire this way on command, unlike the 2017 drop safety problem which affected every P320 and anyone could easily demonstrate with a mallet or a drop. The new problem is a pure random one in a gorillion chance that any given P320
                a: has the physical flaw present and
                b: is put into a specific scenario where the flaw can allow the gun to fire

                There is no "fix" for this flaw because whatever part or part combinations that allow it to happen haven't yet been identified.

                So far I have seen 3 credible documentations of it happening, OP is one where there is no video but no reason not to believe him and the witnesses he cites, the second is another competition guy filming which you can hear it happen on his hip but not see it, and the third is webm related where an agent is squirming out of the back seat of a car and it fires after he puts his body weight on the holstered pistol.

                Hope that clears it up a little!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so these new issues are because of a different reason all together? and are far rarer than given credit for? ok, so the misfiring of the 2017 issue is done, but we have a new issue that is really rare to the point where its just a failure that any gun could have?

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                >so these new issues are because of a different reason all together?
                Yep. 2017 drop safety was because the trigger itself weighed too much and it's inertia was able to pull itself if dropped.
                >and are far rarer than given credit for?
                If you believe every recent story about the P320 firing unintentionally and ignore the long history police have of negligently discharging firearms then lying and blaming the gun, then there are about 50 lawsuits plus about 3. So less than 60 instances of it happening, out of however many hundreds of thousands of pistols there are. I personally do not believe most of the police lawsuits.
                >ok, so the misfiring of the 2017 issue is done, but we have a new issue that is really rare to the point where its just a failure that any gun could have?
                Best I can tell yeah. My guess, because nobody knows for sure, is it's a tolerance stack of slop that combines once in a blue moon to let the striker slip off the sear and also somehow disengage the firing pin block safety. It's an exceedingly rare nonzero possibility.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't believe it when it was just cops either. Now that it's competitions shooters too, I believe it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Replying about why amerigan sig blows and European Sig is good to go. European Sigs had an acceptable finish, cool designs, and didn’t have countless issues. What was it something like 19+ lawsuits and counting against amerigan sig for safety issues? They have the worst quality finish I’ve seen for the price you pay for them too, the shit isn’t durable at all and also seems to rust easier than say a Glock or Smith & Wesson

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 4 Glocks literally got in massive no-no trouble with PDs because they were rusting easily, and you'd have had to deal with it if they hadn't invested in the military handgun program and failed enough that they were forced to release their handguns on the civilian market.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you think Glocks Gen 4 finish is bad you should’ve seen the thread a week or two ago where people were posting their sigs. It was a thread an anon started asking if a gunsmith had fug’d his front sight up after a cerakote job because he had to have his month old sig cerakoted because the finish was wearing off lmfao. Others posted horrible rusted sig pictures and more sigs with fug’d finishes worn off from concealed carrying. I own a Gen 4 19 and have never had an issue with wear or rust, I also own a Gen 1 M&P9 Shield I’ve carried almost every day since ‘16 and it looks like the day I brought it home. Cope moar though, it’s funny. If I owned a gun and the finish was shitty or some other issue popped up I’d be honest about it even if I loved the thing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And their AR-15 fcg catestrophic failure recall, and the entirety of the sig 556xi, and the P365 issues, and then the issues they had after they fixed those issues. Then of course there were all the issues with the original MPX and MCX.

        Why is sig incapable of releasing a complete functional product, ever? Everyone else does it. They're not fucking Kel Tec. There's no excuse.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Did I just witness a Sigga moment?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      money
      lots of money
      being used to "donate" to government officials

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >goes off on its own
    >tried to hit him
    >doesn't even succeed

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean if he throws it in the trash he can at least avoid the M13.5LH threaded barrels when he evolves to the point of needing one.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    are there any SIG pistols that aren't massive failures? The 365xl?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      P226?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        P226 remains the g.o.a.t. OP is talking about nuSig

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The P226 has carved it's place in the hall of fame of the GWOT sidearms, alongside the HK USP and the Glock 17, it's a same what Cohen is doing to the company

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even the modern US made 226s? I literally just picked one up yesterday, seems fairly sturdy. I like everything except for the beaver tail. My Granps/dad will be passing down a German made 226 one day, so if this is a piece of shit I have that to look forward to (hopefully a long ways off). Taking mine to the range for the first time tomorrow, wondering if I should bring my M&P in case I got a lemon..

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's fine, biggest thing to watch for is crappy finish allowing rust. Just keep it oiled and be happy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I shot my grandpa’s a decade ago so don’t remember it to well, but after a day of playing with and finger fucking my new one it got me wondering why people who want Sigs don’t just go with the classic all metal proven guns. I get the price aspect and maybe the conceal-ability, but come on, it’s totally doable in most situations.

              Brand loyalty is fucking retarded. Try/rent everything and mix and match, I’ve got a 5” M&P I carry in the colder months, a snub .38 for a pocket gun, a G20 for when I’m in the countryside, and now the 226 for general purpose. I’ll get a Shield Plus or similar compact at some point but for now I have no problem carrying what I listed above.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >why people who want Sigs don’t just go with the classic all metal proven guns
                Because they're "heavy" and "expensive" and shooting DA/SA is "complicated" (and the DAK trigger is "bad")

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I carried a P229 DAK for years and was gonna opt out and carry a personal owned weapon, but it grew on me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I had one that would jam in an unpredictable fashion. I know, I know... "clean your weapon ya filthy slob...", but my glock has never been cleaned and never jammed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All current sigs should be avoided.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      P220 is still good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The 220 was never good

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But a hot deer boy used it...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >gay
            you deserve a 320

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my dad had one of their "limited edition" p320 xcarry's and get rid of it because it a heavy chunky piece of shit.

      honestly most of sig is fine except for the p320 family, the rattler is very cool

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i predict that the p320 will slowly wither away on the civilian side of things and that the p365 will slowly get bigger and bigger until it is a full size to fill the 320's role.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It practically already is lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Honda Civic of guns. How long until the 5" 19+1 version

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sig cross had a recall, no? And that's a GOD DAMNED BOLT ACTION.

        I simply don't trust a company that fucks up a bolt action in 1964+58.
        >Verification not required.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What happened in 1964?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            winchester happened.
            bruh.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The European manufactured Sig firearms are great. amerigan sig is a shitpile

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Earlier this week someone was asking for help here because some random piece of plastic broke off in his 365 and locked up the gun. They are just so comically bad.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literally just the 320 series of gun have this issue but keep riding Glock cock retard

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really like how the P229 Pro looks, but I refuse to fund ron cohen's ~~*sig sauer*~~

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Arex zero

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my man

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/1aMy28C.jpg

        my man

        Got any input on them? I forgot the Arex Zero existed and now I am interested in it. I was considering getting a CZ 75 PCR for carry since I love my B model, but the Arex Zero is intriguing. How "faithful" is it to the p226 design?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the drawback of an arex is gonna be in parts availability and warranty support.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I prefer the old 75 Compact to the PCR myself. Steel frame, more aesthetic slide and frame machining, no goofy loaded chamber indicator.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I prefer the old 75 Compact to the PCR myself. Steel frame, more aesthetic slide and frame machining, no goofy loaded chamber indicator.

          I had a sp-01 that I thought of carrying, but ended up getting a p-09 to carry instead since the bigger grip feels better. But man, why are there so few holster companies that make a light bearing holster for cz's?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Any of the ones that have a non light holster for the gun you can probably just call and ask.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They're better than the US made P226s on every metric possible. Don't know how they rate against original German P226s tho.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Could always get a racially pure west german

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Man made horrors to my fav handgun. Embrace tradition.

      P226 remains the g.o.a.t. OP is talking about nuSig

      Truth

      https://i.imgur.com/vBk69It.jpg

      If you want a plastic utilitarian gun that fires every time, get a Glock. They work and they have an excellent safety record.
      If you want a reliable and safe DA/SA metal gun, you can't beat a classic hammer-fired Sig.
      From top:
      >P226
      >P229 Nitron
      >P229 SAS
      >P239
      All no-rail, all .357 Sig.

      all winners but my eye is on the short extractor 229.

      https://i.imgur.com/1aMy28C.jpg

      my man

      I like those. Really tempted by https://gun.deals/product/arex-rex-zero-1-compact-singledouble-9mm-385-barrel-black-polymer-grip-nickel-frameslide-15r

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Man made horrors to my fav handgun. Embrace tradition.
        why the fuck are all the new guns getting speedholes and jagged lines and edges instead of smooth sleek lines with checkering where its needed. its so ugly.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          “Damn if only I had shed .05 ounces off my slide and had holes in it…”

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't know what it's for and it's not what I'm used to so it's bad

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >

        https://i.imgur.com/vBk69It.jpg

        If you want a plastic utilitarian gun that fires every time, get a Glock. They work and they have an excellent safety record.
        If you want a reliable and safe DA/SA metal gun, you can't beat a classic hammer-fired Sig.
        From top:
        >P226
        >P229 Nitron
        >P229 SAS
        >P239
        All no-rail, all .357 Sig. (You)
        >all winners but my eye is on the short extractor 229.
        A new-condition CPO .40 with a NPD rollmark on the frame. .357 barrel purchased for it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Very cool, Recoil Gunworks has had some like new/unissued PD turn ins in the past. Pic rel is my first duty gun from 1994 until it was retired in 2000. We were allowed to buy them for $130 (which is what Sig was gonna give them in trade for P229’s).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            side note i got a p220 from recoil for cheap. very nice, except for the 8 round capacity

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I want my first .45 and want a P220 but I think I’d get something like a G21 due to the capacity. I used to have some luck finding cheap duty ammo from them.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why the fuck they removed trigger safety? it would've prevented all of this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not so sure it's a trigger thing anymore, it looks like the striker is slipping of and releasing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not so sure it's a trigger thing anymore, it looks like the striker is slipping of and releasing

      never had one. P320 was literally frankengun from the start: Cohen demanded engineers take the existing P250, a hammer fired handgun, and with as little changes and effort as possible, make a striker-fired gun to "compete" in the Army MHS trials, shitting out the abomination that is the P320 series. Quality Control was bottom of the fucking list of requirements, just make it function with as little changes to the tooling and manufacture process as possible so they could undercut Glock's entry by over $100mil and gobble up those sweet contracts. Oops, it's not drop safe, sorry Army we'll fix them right up for you before we deliver, M17 good to go, but fuck the entire domestic/civvie market, we'll just offer (but never advertise) a recall, but it's not a recall it's a "Voluntary UPGRADE Program" but we'll still file it as a recall on our taxes. Fuck Nü Sig, in both ears with the same rake. Fuck Cohen, fuck Exeter fuck Newington and fuck every single buttblasted shill that replies to this post

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I almost bought an early sig in 556 that took stanag mags. made in exeter but the barrel and guts seemed to be swiss. an early run. essentially a 500 series that took stanag mags.
        800 usd.
        passed on it.
        I don't know if I made the right call.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sig model 556, I had one, they're nice, $800 is a good deal for them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          $800 is a steal

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i have one with carbine length factory quad rail. I love it, "sig 556 swat patrol". Its wonderful. Straight across trade a temperamental mk vii desert eagle in 44 mag for it around 2014? figured both were worth about 1k at the time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            well a 556 like i bought is currently bidding at 1k on gunbroker but the desert eagle i traded is buy now at 1850, so i guess i fucked up PrepHole.
            but i could never get the desert eagle to run right.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Entirely the wrong call. Your overindulgence in HURR SIGGER memes lost you a great rifle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >cohen

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cringey teenager take
        >Fuck Nü Sig, in both ears with the same rake
        yeah.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you want a plastic utilitarian gun that fires every time, get a Glock. They work and they have an excellent safety record.
    If you want a reliable and safe DA/SA metal gun, you can't beat a classic hammer-fired Sig.
    From top:
    >P226
    >P229 Nitron
    >P229 SAS
    >P239
    All no-rail, all .357 Sig.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Beretta did it better.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Beretta's are sexy AF. I have a 92FS and a 92FS Compact. But they're 9's and not .357. Preference. Beretta grip is a more rounded "baseball bat" shaped and my hand likes the more elongated classic Sigs better.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          My buddy has a single stack compact 92-M with a LTT cut red dot slide and it's so choice.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No he doesn't. Why go on an anonymous board and tell lies

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What now bitch

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                red dot ruins it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Good thing he has two Type-M

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Can you get me some milk from the store on your way back from massively moving the goalposts?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That idiot who responded to you wasn't me. And holy hell I stand corrected. I didn't know Langdon's compact slide was compatible with whatever rare single stack monstrosity your friend has.

                I wish Langdon made slides for those small compact 380s

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Beretta does make the 96 series and there are some .357 sig barrels for those floating around. Not sure if anyone is still making them though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If you want a plastic utilitarian gun that fires every time, get a Glock.
      Unless you try to fire it single-handed in a self-defense situation, in which case it promptly jams on the second shot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You don't own a glock and are also a limp wristed sissy that either needs more practice shooting or needs to go to the fucking gym.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't own a glock
          Of course not, why would I waste my money on a shitty striker-fired gun when others made by their competitors are far more reliable?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            have you even shot a glock? If anything do you actually own any firearms since you have the same expertise as a retard

    • 1 month ago
      Based Yankee Fitted Timberland Boot Wearer

      laughs in chad CZ

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the retards in the thread posting logs are gonna call you reddit though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >be sig
        >guns have "accidents" in holsters
        >blow apart some cop's femur
        >say your VUP isn't a recall while behind doors classifying it as a recall for liability reasons
        >your not-a-recall recall doesn't even fix the problems and now you're looking at almost class action levels of lawsuits

        >be CZ
        >make a gun deliberately not drop safe
        >kills a guy
        >nobody blames the gun because you're not a piece of shit company directed by a convicted felon lying about your guns
        luv my shadow. just wish they'd stop fucking around and bring in more kadet kits.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's only not drop safe with the hammer fully decocked. And yes I'm mad that USPSA is retarded and we don't shoot from half cock like anyone normal would actually carry the gun in.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >>make a gun deliberately not drop safe
          a guy
          wait when did this happen?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            a few years ago. uspsa (?) shooter dropped his shadow 2. it hit hammer first, fired and headshot the RO killing him instantly.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              all i gotta say to that is 'holy shit' and 'damn'

              that sucks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody blames the Shadow 2 because it's not marketed as a duty gun.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'd use it as a duty gun, but I'd carry it at half cock lel. Cocked and locked is fine too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah nobody cares when a gamer gun does gamer things

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FUCK SIGGERS
    FUCK GLIKES
    FUCK BRICKS
    racegun now

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sig's marketing is cringe as fuck, but it works for the tactical beard audience.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        now hold on
        the sig AR10 is actually great for its price

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Is it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Get the Savage AR10 if you want a good and affordable 308 that doesnt fund Sig

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Absolute cringe. Some dudes are way too obsessive over the most trivial things.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >me and 15 other officers
      >officers
      Sounds about right

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >legion
      >as in roman legion
      >symbol is a greek lambda, primarily used by spartans

      is sig really this retarded?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Roman symbols don't look cool, they're the ones we still use every day.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's supposed to be a chevron, anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I fucking guarantee it's a Spartan lambda to appeal to the Moron Label crowd.

          >legion
          >as in roman legion
          >symbol is a greek lambda, primarily used by spartans

          is sig really this retarded?

          >would ~~*Sig's*~~ marketing team really do such a thing
          Is that even a question? They'd make a fucking Confederate flag–edition M17 without hesitating if they thought the profits would outweigh the potential blowback. These symbols mean nothing to them outside of their ability to generate revenue.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    timeless wisdom

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what's wrong siggers? can't blame it on cops being retarded this time? crazy how this shit never seems to happen with Glocks™

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This here

      https://i.imgur.com/wWQiK8n.jpg

      is wrong with them. People have fallen for their marketing and adopted the tactical lifestyle. At this point, I think they're worse than Harley guys.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair that’s just a couple of retards not sig itself

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Siggers quiet after this dropped (lol)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure Siggers are loud when things drop, actually.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You just need to learn to operate bro. Like the siggers do

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lmfao
        WAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nu-sig is so bad its not even funny, shitty quality hk.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that's it I'm selling my shig
    i don't feel safe with it around my testicles

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i’ve seen chains break, hydraulics fail, springs snap, every mechanical failure under the sun
    it’s not just sig, i just simply will not trust a gun not to shoot me, so i will continue to forever carry owb
    carrying iwb to me seems like not doing a function check on your motorcycle before riding it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ok

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have you seen consistent mechanical failures on one specific brand that keep happening more often than other, comparable brands?

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sig Sauer, you fucking mongoloid. Not Sig.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MOOOM! the gun tried to shoot me again! Mooooom!

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Guns don't kill people, they just occasionally go off in the holster like an excited teenager.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gemmy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      youre in the wrong tab, jakparty is in the other one

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Another Sig moment
    https://www.tiktok.com/@chefchrisc/video/7128390964959497518

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I bet we will see this a lot more as time goes on. As the slide and frame wears it will allow more movement between the striker and the sear, making it more like for the striker to slip off of the sear.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bump
    Guys I need more sig moments to post into a sigger discord. Pls brighten my day

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sigger discord.
      Those exist? That's sad. Have they figured out if the NGSW is a infantry rifle program or LMG program? Or if the XM5 is to penetrate armor (it can't) or for overmatch? The narrative changes so much I can't keep up.

      Anyway this is a fun one to bring up
      https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/safety-recall-notice-sig-sauer-cross-bolt-action-rifle
      they managed to fuck up a bolt action in the current year +5

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is the new Sig Macro any good? I would still wait on a thumb safety version.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's the replacement for the 320. The 320 will be discontinued for civilian sales soon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I thought it was part of the 365 design though?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. The 365 is a less fucked design than the 320 just make a fatter grip module for comfort. The macro already has a 17 round mag with a full grip we literally just went into a circle with micro compacts starting with 10 round pocket blasters turning into glock 19s. Now the macro is just a thinner 19x.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Less fucked

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              365, unlike 320, has a mechanical striker safety disengaged by pulling the trigger so i'm not buying this claim

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well there's more

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/CA0yoOh.jpg

                [...]
                And more

                okay, what do your anecdotes have to do with a 365 having additional mechanical safety features in the striker vs the 320 which is an undisputed turd?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All these messages are the equivalent of SpongeBob knowing a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who also knew this guy's cousin.

                They're not mine, it's really just banter at this point, but I do think that where there is smoke there is fire, and while the p365 may not have any design flaws like the 320's I don't think they are trouble free at all

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nobody is disputing the 320 being a demonstrable POS that is unsafe to carry ever

                the 365 has substantial differences in the striker and striker safeties, and there just isnt any evidence i've seen regarding ADs from striker failure in 365s. no point scaring people suggesting that because they both start with 3 that they both have the same shit design from the 320.

                I don't even have a dog in this fight, i israeli carry a 365 so if i thought there was a striker safety issue i'd be the first to mention it as cope, but there isn't one. if i lived in a Hispanicier area that wasn't among the safest cities in the country i'd carry condition 0 without concern.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >israeli carry
                Oof. How about buy a gun you can trust to not randomly go off instead.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I would not be concerned with it randomly going off, but I would be concerned about it's reliability and parts breakage overtime, I think seeing all the shit that is popping up lately, I would go full OCD checking the internals of the gun every week

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i israeli carry a 365
                I hope your reliance on gnomish methods gets you killed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The p365 has Remington P51 level problems

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                >Gun fires when trigger is pulled, news at 10!
                The R51 just had feeding problems, the P365 surpassed R51 tier literally with it's first 1,000 pistols having weak firing pin tips, trigger springs popping out, barrel peening and sights flying out of the slide, your comparison is whack if you think dogging the P365 by calling it R51 level is a burn.

                But the conclusion is that Remington went out of business because they couldn't solve the R51's comparatively simple problem even with an overhaul, or any of their other problems. Sig made a handful of iterative changes to the P365 and went on to steal the entire subcompact handgun market. The whole industry has been scrambling for 5 years to eke out a slice of Sig's pie.

                I'd be interested to know the repair status of that pistol in the video, or who else has experienced that.

                https://i.imgur.com/DXhBlGG.jpg

                Did I just witness a Sigga moment?

                idk what that means

                money
                lots of money
                being used to "donate" to government officials

                Even if you could prove ~~*donations*~~ were happening how on Earth would that affect commercial sales to propel the P320 to just under glok status in the US market? Next thing you're going to tell me is muh Awmy coontract larpers, because the Beretta M9 was also in a top 3 spot for commercial sa--oh wait not even in the top 8 highest selling handguns.

                I can't explain the P320's success either because it's so shockingly mediocre and surrounded with years of controversy, but let's not make things up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You all just experienced another Sigger moment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >forcing memes in 2022
                holy shit the cringe is off the chart you seriously cant do better than that or talk on topic?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sigger shills going this hard to defend their overlords for free like shabbos goyim is itself a forced meme.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >would that affect commercial sales to propel the P320 to just under glok status in the US market
                shills, P320 was the first handgun to get such a shill coverage over the internet. Same goes for PDP now, a mediocre gun with paid shills telling that it's great. Next up, springfield 2011 something and p365 x-macro

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's unbelievable how popular 320's are in competition now. I just RO'd a major match earlier this month (the first one I've worked in a year), and they were fuckin everywhere. Fucking Cohen just keeps getting away with it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >cohen
                see right there? it's the joos
                but the real question is not how popular in competition they are but how popular are they among top shooters

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'd say they have a solid portion of good shooters without a gun sponsor. Walther's were everywhere when they had their prize bountys in place. Now I see more 320's than Walthers. FWIW the X5 Legion shoots alright for a striker gun. I think most of the popularity boils down to the military adoption in tandem with Ron Cohen's marketing-over-quality approach that he perfected at Kimber.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Were the people using 320s doing well with them?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kind of like Glocks, you see all levels of skills shooting them. Sig put an X5 Legion in Max Michel's hands and paid him to break records. So he did. That sways a lot of consoomers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Even if you could prove ~~*donations*~~ were happening
                https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/former-nato-afghanistan-commander-general-scott-miller-joins-sig-sauer
                how the fuck are you of all people shilling for sig, burt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/A0CdgAm.jpg

                Well there's more

                And more

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And more

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All these messages are the equivalent of SpongeBob knowing a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who also knew this guy's cousin.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AmeriSig is gnomish guns for gentiles, of course they will be hot garbage. If you want to support our greatest allies, buy IWI, gnomish guns for the chosen. They actually work.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >idiot larpfag carries with his hammer set for le first shot speed
    >shoots himself
    >blames sig

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hammer
      >Didn't watch video explaining it's bone stock from factory

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone here actually know what they're talking about or is this just another shit flinging thread because someone made another person mad?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based on these guys I would assume the former

      >night sights
      total meme. If you're shooting at night you need a light. If your light is on you can't see the tritium.

      >optics ready
      gay.

      But PrepHole has always been a noguns tourist board.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      320s are basically a single action gun without a safety. if some of the internal parts are not machined just right or the factory assembled them incorrectly some of the internal safeties will not function and the gun might discharge. it seems that side pressure, twisting and the force of re holstering the gun can cause a discharge on certain year models of P320.

      In addition to this SIG has made continuing changes to the FCU over the years post "voluntary upgrade" that are undocumented and that they will not speak of. a 2022 FCU has less springs and some changes to the sear. these seem to be """"okay"""". i wouldn't trust them tho tbh.

      big problem is that there are millions of P320s that are the unsafe model that SIG claims are safe, and not many 320s were returned to be made drop safe in the first place. SIG will not admit any of this ever.

      what's really sleezly is that the military FCUs and DHS FCUs are different than civilian FCUs and DHS does NOT allow P320s that do not have the DHS FCU which is not sold to the public.

      its all very corporate and all very fucked up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's all very corporate

        Shut the fuck up, you antisemitic white bitch.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          eat shit garden gnome

    • 1 month ago
      Burt

      It's typical brand crapping, Sig is just the flavor of the week. Or year lol. There was a long span where noguns were dumping on Beretta nonstop if you can believe that.

      Burt has been coping in /hg/ for months about this issue. It's only the recent video that is changing his tone. Sure we could chalk it up to sig haters and hearsay, but lots of people hate glocks and nobody complains about theirs fucking randomly discharging. Why not buy one of the many other good brands?

      I don't think you know what cope means man, but
      >Why not buy one of the many other good brands?
      absolutely agree. There are tons of rad options

      That's because Burt is a reddit tier NPC who needs some retard on plebbit to make a post that gets gold or stickied or whatever the fuck they do over there for him to change and formulate opinions. you wouldn't think it takes a genius to understand that owning a lot of guns doesn't make you knowledgeable on them. But thanks to Burt this is easy to explain given all his wrong takes and all he does to try to prove you wrong is post his collection.

      I've literally never browsed or freely visited reddit in my life so that sounds like you're ahead of me in that department, idk what gold means. Do you have a specific issue or statement I've made here or in /hg/ you'd like to discuss? I'm happy to do so if you are

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        The problem here is you're conjecturing and strawmanning dumb crap like garden gnome boogeyman and MIM. You don't know why they iterate fire control components except for the rare instances when they publicly say why, such as with the P320 drop thing or the P365 striker tips or the MCX version 4 aka Spear LT. They change all their products and parts frequently with no fanfare and no apparent damage/safety/concern motivation, sometimes they do it to make parts cheaper like MIM extractors sometimes they do it to improve a product like the several P320 optic cut changes. Another one is the P365 striker; they changed it once to address the tips breaking off. Then they changed it again, and again. There are 4 documented P365 striker iterations, why did they keep going after the first one fixed the issue?

        [...]
        I think it was 50 lawsuits over them firing in holsters, idk how many more for other stuff. Not going to wade into that issue again but lawsuits don't equal evidence of failure. Video is evidence, and there is some of that, 2 in the last couple of days which is credible.

        Sig's normal nitride finish is the same as anyone else's in the industry, idk how you can say it's the worst at the price. Tennifer on glok and HK is different than almost any other nitride finish, which is rad but that's not a ding on Sig. S&W uses the same process, so do dozens of others. Are you conflating the early Legion surface rust thing with Sigs in general maybe?

        [...]
        Yeah I know about all that, which of those are you calling "massive?" The 556xi was a total fumble, that thing is as close as you could get to calling a massive failure. Everything else is little issues some of which with really big consequences, and mostly all if not all of them have been iterated out, except the newest P320 holster/wiggle firing thing which is still rare as rare can be.

        fat fuck damage control.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Judging by how everyone (in reality one desperate loser) keeps insulting you, going into other threads and spamming it with bullshit you're right. They're so desperate to "win" the argument they'll ruin the board

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was itching to get a gun in .40. Nice to see my choice to cross off the P320 was sound.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      G23 seems like a cheap enough .40 for my purposes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Found a cheap police trade-in railed pre-cohen p226 on fuddbroker.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          post thoughts when you get it lad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Okay I am now convinced synchronicity is a thing.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >people actually put P320s, sold by garden gnomes and made by poos, with fully cocked strikers, in their pants
    I dont get it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you mean you would not carry a 1911 cocked, safety off?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If carry was legal in my country, I'd only carry something I can decock and thumb the hammer (or striker in the P99s case?) as it goes into my pants. I wouldn't carry anything cocked and locked because that raised hammer under tension would make me uneasy.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I own older sigs and I like them, I've even modded them and done work on them and having them has been an enjoyable experience, but you will NEVER catch me trying to defend any company that consistently on every fucking new release gets simple catastrophic shit wrong like not even ensuring the guns are DROP SAFE. That shit is inexcusable. You will never convince me to buy a new Sig until they at the very least get a few new releases out without critical safety and functionality defects.

    • 1 month ago
      Burt

      What about if they release a new product with a catastrophic fault, then physically change the gun in several ways to demonstrably negate the fault? Business practices aside that is.

      >would that affect commercial sales to propel the P320 to just under glok status in the US market
      shills, P320 was the first handgun to get such a shill coverage over the internet. Same goes for PDP now, a mediocre gun with paid shills telling that it's great. Next up, springfield 2011 something and p365 x-macro

      Anon the PDP IS great. Don't you understand that a review can be paid for and true at the same time? Or that most reviews aren't paid for but still praise an objective good attribute? You can tell who's BSing in order to earn brownie point with a manufacturer and who isn't, or at least people without social disorders can because I mostly can lol

      I'm constantly confused by people shoehorning out of place meme words into conversation. "Shill" is one of the most cringe and overblown concepts on this site. Anyone who likes anything you don't like is a shill.

      People get excited about new products in new spaces and unexpectedly good attributes, it isn't until later that flaws may be uncovered. If somebody's covering up flaws and still sugarkissing a product for brandbux THEN you can call them a shill.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What about if they release a new product with a catastrophic fault, then physically change the gun in several ways to demonstrably negate the fault? Business practices aside that is.
        I'm still not buying it. The name is tarnished and getting one new or used is risky because of the risk of getting one that wasn't fixed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What guns do you own

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Older 229s and 226s. I don't know why you think that matters.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              There are other more modern Sig guns that I would think would be okay in current year, like the 1911s and the p238 and p938, mostly because other than the cosmetic appearances they literally are not designed by sig.

        • 1 month ago
          Burt

          That's pretty reasonable, but like anon points out they still make products unblemished by large snafus, the P22Xs and P210 for example. I don't own any new P22Xs either, my latest one is from 2009 I think. I love my P210A, even though it's built down to a price us normies can tolerate by omitting the locking lugs and using extensive MIM.

          I bought a "don't drop me" p320 years ago second-hand just in case there was ever a lawsuit I could cash in on.
          Lately, I've been thinking about selling it, and picking up a 5.7 Rock for shits and giggles.
          What say you, gents?
          Should I bother keeping it as a paper weight?
          Should I do the "voluntary upgrade" prior to selling it?

          Did you send in for the """""""voluntary upgrade"""""""? It would be irresponsible to sell a pre-update P320 imo. But if you don't like it anymore heck yeah sell it, there's no shortage of people who will gobble it up so you can buy what you like, and if you change your mind there will be accessible P320s for a very long time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >they still make products unblemished by large snafus, the P22Xs and P210 for example.
            Yes, because they are much older already proven designs either from Sig's past or copies of historical designs from other companies and designers, like

            There are other more modern Sig guns that I would think would be okay in current year, like the 1911s and the p238 and p938, mostly because other than the cosmetic appearances they literally are not designed by sig.

            said. That's the point. Literally all they have to do is keep pumping them out in the same form they've been made for decades without fucking with them and they'll be okay. Where they've gotten in trouble is with new products where they try to use the public as their QA testers. And even the legacy designs have had problems with finishes failing and getting rusty and shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The PDP might be a great gun, but my problem with it is that it's nothing more than a chunkier, rebranded PPQ that's being sold through tactical lifestyle marketing that people today eat up. I wouldn't say the pistol is necessarily being shilled by paid advertisers, but the rebranding as a citizen soldier lifestyle product puts it in the radars of certain popular online reviewers who cater to those folk. But the reality is that unless you specifically want to mount a red dot, the PDP is a straight downgrade from the PPQ.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >my problem with it is that it's nothing more than a chunkier
          It's not. It's not any thicker wider or anything else. You just don't like the aesthetics.
          >the reality is that unless you specifically want to mount a red dot, the PDP is a straight downgrade from the PPQ.
          It's literally the same gun with a fantastic optics cut and sight compatibility with the most common sights on the planet, a better grip texture, and more useful slide serrations.

          Again, you just don't like the aesthetics. Calling it a downgrade is straight up retarded.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You cannot deny how much chunkier the PDP is, even if the standard dimensional measurements don't show it. And the main reason why it is an undeniable downgrade is that they don't offer the PDP with a paddle mag release.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >You cannot deny
              Yes I can, I have both pistols here. The slide being the tiniest bit thinner at the top doesn't change anything, its thickest point remains the same.
              >And the main reason why it is an undeniable downgrade is that they don't offer the PDP with a paddle mag release.
              Yeah, that kinda sucks. Shame Walther was too retarded to do like HK and make both versions work with the same magazines. They fucked that up with the PPQ and the PDP unfortunately inherits the end result.

            • 1 month ago
              Burt

              You can't rely on images from that site anon it's not an exact comparison. They take published numbers from the manufacturer then scale stock images to match the numbers on their ruler, but manufacturers include or exclude features in their measurements or even list them wrong. Magazines, slide stops, sights, etc. Those guns have the EXACT same frame size, you can swap the slides and magazines and internal parts. You can see in the image that Handgunhero just scaled up the PDP too much, it's visibly like 10% bigger which is not accurate. Like anon said the only major dimensional difference is the PDP slide has more meat at the top where the PPQ was rounded up top.

              I also wish they'd kept the paddle mag release tho.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Those guns have the EXACT same frame size, you can swap the slides and magazines and internal parts.
                People who whine about the PDP don't realize this. It goes way beyond frame and slide swappability, more than half the parts in the PDP are PPQ parts. Literally identical part numbers from Walther because they are the same part.

                If it were another company it'd just be called a PPQ gen 2 and left at that. Or maybe a P99 gen 3.

        • 1 month ago
          Burt

          >the PDP is a straight downgrade from the PPQ
          HARD disagree. Subjectively I think the PDP grip texture is a substantial upgrade over the PPQ but objectively the PDP trigger is better than the later PPQs (though not as good as the first PPQs or the P99). Much less creep and lower pull weight too, and the F-Series has that lightened slide thing for nancies. Having a free optic mount standard on every pistol for less than a PPQ used to cost is also a big plussy.

          Yeah it's ugly but so's a gloque and a P320 lol, and while it's cool the PDP uses glok sight dovetails for max options, it sucks the factory sights are just cheapo plastic.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I bought a "don't drop me" p320 years ago second-hand just in case there was ever a lawsuit I could cash in on.
    Lately, I've been thinking about selling it, and picking up a 5.7 Rock for shits and giggles.
    What say you, gents?
    Should I bother keeping it as a paper weight?
    Should I do the "voluntary upgrade" prior to selling it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      do the thing. I'd have more input on the Rock but some scumsucking gay UPS monkey stole it in transit, and here i am over a month later just waiting on their night sight models to restock so PSA can send me another. PSA custy service has been great, they were prompt to cover their bases with me but everything after my FFL opened an empty fucking box was left to UPS investigation (15 business day wait) and neither I nor PSA has been able to get any result from UPS three weeks later so they offered a replacement or refund. I almost took the latter to cop a threaded barrel model but decided against it, I don't want suppressor height sights, might just get the barrel sometime later. Anyways DO THE THING, FUCK A PAPERWEIGHT BUY A ROCK and GIT SHOOTAN

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >second-hand
      >thinks he'll have any weight in a lawsuit
      Ask me how I know you're still in high school.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any M&P moments or are we just better than siggers and glikes?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      RO anon here, I saw a guy crack his M&P frame with a double-charged reload, and he told S&W the truth and they re-framed his gun for free.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Based. I've never regretted choosing the M&P over the glock, but I do envy the cheap magpul glock mags that are not available for the M&P.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Don't envy them, those mags are not worth the savings. The ETS ones are not, either. The best Carry Optics shooter I know, for some reason he was trying to save money on mags by buying aftermarket. He ended up throwing them away and returning to Glock factory mags. So much for saving money.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The ETS ones are not, either.
            Seriously, FUCK ETS and their shitty goddamn mags.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Henry repeating arms is great for this too. I had a .45-70 i bought at a flea market that looked fine when i bought it but when i shot it the first time the barrel band fell off, the mag tube went downrange spilling its contents on the ground and the handguard came with my hand when i let go of it.

        called Henry up, explained what happened and they asked me to send it in. when i got it back they had replaced the Barrel (dont know why). mag tube, barrel band and handguard. all for free and within a week. they even sent me a sticker and a hat!

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why do you spam logs? What does that accomplish? Do you think this means you are better simply because you like looking at logs in a bowl?

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It shows you like looking at logs and can't stop saving them.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate garden gnomes and I don't like the P320. I enjoy my sig product anyway. And I am tired of this thread being turned into an /akg/arg/ shitfest.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In case anyone in this thread is thinking about an MPX, they are not fucking worth it. When they work, they are impressive race guns. But I see a lot of them choke during matches.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so you have never touched one?

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I am o ffended

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >See stuff like this
    >But the M17 with the manual safety fits my hand so nicely
    Is the safety on the M17 actually good? I’d hate to get shot by my own gun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the safety only stops the trigger from being pulled. it would not stop the mechanical failures that are happening.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      See

      the safety only stops the trigger from being pulled. it would not stop the mechanical failures that are happening.

      and honestly don't buy any other Sig guns either. All striker double stack tilting barrel 9s are the same, get one not made by a shit company.

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