SIG just keeps winning

But /k/ told me the NGSW program was getting killed.

Why is the army buying another 16,000 rifles in FY24!?!?!?!?

In other news, FY24 procurement draft was released.
Feel free to peruse.
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/FY2024/FY2024_Weapons.pdf

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    $4B in FY24 for "Cyberspace Activities" sounds fun.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wonder who they're shoveling that money to

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        PSYWAR and the Cyberspace Command dudes almost certainly.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Will i finally get paid for bullying vatniks and indians?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We were robbed

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cause the Spear was designed by German engineers and combat vets and not anons who wanna look cool by pretending to know more about future weapons than the most advanced military in the world

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Box mag looks sexy af have not seen it until now.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it comes in boxes or "nutsacks" of various quantities.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you prefer homoerotic vocabulary? Examine yourself.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's what the soldiers have been calling them colloquially.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The armed forces are pretty gay. We use language like that all the time.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You are insecure, or this is bait. Either way, sad.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They also do the same kind of nutsack for the .338 MG

        flannel daddy did a video on it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      But sig sauer is a israeli bastardization of Swiss Sig

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah except I do.
      Weird that FN made exactly what a bunch of whinging anons wanted, a lightweight assault rifle in a high pressure 6mm cartridge.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >German engineers
      new h*mpshirans*

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sig is an american company now moron, sig factory in germany closed down years ago

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How much longer until we get to see a manual for the Vortex XM157?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      IDK, when is a grunt gonna leak one?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >leak
        It won't need to be leaked. The NGSW is meant for normal infantry, so there's no reason to believe manuals won't be public like other infantry weapons as it moves closer to adoption.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    33k is roughly enough to field every ussocom unit with it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      33,000 is all systems in the NGSW program.

      The breakdown specifically is 17,122 NGSW-R (XM7 rifle), 1,419 NGSW-AR (XM250 LMG), and 14,932 NGSW-FC (XM157 smart optic).

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How good is the lmg?
    On paper is seems like it would be amazing.
    >better ballistics and less weight than an m240

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      well the army asked SIG to remove the quick change barrel, so it's utility in a longer term firefight seems a bit low, but that's also a fairly rare occurrence that shouldn't really happen regularly anyway so I guess I can sorta accept that.

      Overall seems like an upgrade over the M249 in most ways.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >magnum dong round to engage at ranges nobody engages at to defeat body armor that's being worn by soldiers who are behind cover to begin with
    >big frickoff optic that can do a million and one things that don't matter because most targets will be fleeting or right in front of you
    >suppressors to protect hearing and make it harder to get a location of the gunshot despite the fact that said soldier will be engaging as an entire platoon with supporting weapons making it a deafening experience still and will do frick all at making it difficult to spot the entire infantry platoon engaging all at once
    >entire design philosophy flies in the face of over 100 years of infantry combat that says to do the opposite of this

    Arguably one of the biggest MIC scams I've ever seen.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >suppressors to protect hearing
      Actually its to allow easier communication with the people around you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >To defeat body armor

      It cannot defeat rifle rated body armor, next.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not mounting a suppressor is one of the most moronic decisions they could possibly make. It’s painfully obvious you have both never shot with a units worth of men and have never been around a suppressor in any practical sense.

      It is a moronic program but all of that has to do with the performance characteristics of the round chosen and the lack of weight savings.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        near peer fighting is not a presence patrol in Afghanistan moron. You're talking about an entire company+ firing nonstop with autocannons/chainguns and cannons from vehicles most likely being there as well. Putting on suppressors to aid in communicating is actually laughable.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Are you really posting pictures of arma combat to justify your idiotic bullshit? You act like there weren’t vehicle mounted machine guns and cannons in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria literally every conflict the US has fight, adding suppressors is a 0 loss game in which you gain tremendous signature reduction and communications advantages.

          You are legitimately a moron noguns neverserved.

          They're arming-up for a stateside conflict. They know. They fricking know.

          >They’re arming up for stateside conflict
          By adopting a weapon that cannot penetrate rifle plates? And one that the average soldier can carry significantly less ammunition????

          WTF IS nu/k/

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you were actual havserved you would know what VBS is. Your argument continues to make no sense and has zero justification beyond the MIC making money. Also:
            >double spacing

            wew

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Does the army really?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Virtually all NATO countries really.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is how I 100% know you have no fricking idea what you’re talking about. You’re referring to virtual training and trying to argue against standard use of sound suppression? Every single unit that has the option to use suppressors does lmao.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Black person the picture was posted because it looks cool. Quit spazzing over shit you made up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They're arming-up for a stateside conflict. They know. They fricking know.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >stateside conflict
        >implying that wouldn't instantly devolve into red team vs. blue team Roman civil war style instantly
        They can have their NGSW's if I can have my AH-64 on call as well.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The armor they want to penetrate is yours.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I cant fricking wait to dome some spastic Qtard charging at me

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>big frickoff optic that can do a million and one things that don't matter because most targets will be fleeting or right in front of you
      Why do you feel that an optic that allows you to share the GPS coordinates of those fleeting targets with all your buddies won't be a massive advantage?

      design philosophy flies in the face of over 100 years of infantry combat that says to do the opposite of this
      Are we just going to ignore that optics have only been standard issue for infantry in wealthier countries for about 2 decades, along with the advancements from the last decade such as Nettwarrior, small reconnaissance drones, and the current IVAS program that give infantry levels of situational awareness that previously only existed in science fiction and less realistic video games?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >for about 2 decades
        less than that, only about 15 years in the US, less so for most other nations.

        There are still wealthy first world nations that don't standard issue optics yet. Obviously special forces groups are different and have been using optics for decades.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do you feel that an optic that allows you to share the GPS coordinates of those fleeting targets with all your buddies won't be a massive advantage?
        Yo buddy, he's by that door! Which one? The dick shaped one! Oh, okay!
        >Are we just going to ignore that optics have only been standard issue for infantry in wealthier countries for about 2 decades
        Terrain dictates engagement ranges, not optics. Besides, in combined arms warfare, anything really beyond 200 meters starts becoming tank and mortar range rather than small arms range.
        >advancements from the last decade such as Nettwarrior
        Just increases SA for battalion+ command staff. It isn't some Halo radar.
        >small reconnaissance drones, and the current IVAS program that give infantry levels of situational awareness that previously only existed in science fiction and less realistic video games?
        Only been a threat because weapon systems haven't been developed and are only now entering low rate production or field testing to counter them. The future battlefield will have lasers and jamming equipment up the ass. Drones will be seen as a gimmick more than anything else when that day comes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          silence reformer

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Yo buddy, he's by that door! Which one? The dick shaped one! Oh, okay!
          >what do you mean enemies don't only engage while immediately adjacent to highly recognizable landmarks?
          Fricking moron. And spotting enemies with the NGSW-FC allows you to get that info to more of your buddies, including buddies manning heavier weapons.

          >It isn't some Halo radar.
          >implying it needs to be to provide a massive situational awareness boost

          >The future battlefield will have lasers and jamming equipment up the ass.
          Are we still playing the fantasy game where remotely near peer forces to the US that aren't allied with the US exist? This tired argument about muh jamming has been done to death, and was buried when Russia's electronic warfare capabilities that were hyped as being able to bring current gen US equipment to its knees completely failed to materialize when pitted against a significantly weaker force.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            1st of all, Russia has already fielded man-portable laser warning receivers that function similar to MILES gear and go on your helmet and webbing, some models were captured in bakmut.

            second of all russian EW capabilities did prove to be significant in Ukraine. read RUSSI report about 90% attrition rate on drones, or how GPS jamming is making excalibre largely ineffective. Also most of the difference in russian EW capability isnt about technology (obviously Russia's cutting edge SDR tech is behind the west because their semi-conductor industry is behind the west) but in its organization and employment which is much more tightly integrated into maneuver formations and also much more prolific than in western formations.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Russia has already fielded man-portable laser warning receivers that function similar to MILES gear and go on your helmet and webbing
              You mean a few Wagner guys who weren't recruited from prisons procured their own, that only tells them that they've been lazed and whether they were lazed from the front, left, or right?

              >how GPS jamming is making excalibre largely ineffective
              Makes you wonder why it doesn't work on HIMARS if it's so effective. Could it be that it's just bullshit?

              Russia is truly the kid with all the powers, including the power to negate other people's powers.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Makes you wonder why it doesn't work on HIMARS if it's so effective. Could it be that it's just bullshit?

                because you know nothing and HIMARs uses INS when GPS denied and then rezeroes from GPS signal when it receives it

                while excalibur rounds without gun telemtatry (such as being fired from M777 without electronic fire control, which is how Ukraine is using them) flies to max altiitude and if it doesn't receive GPS it deactivates its fuse and flies ballistically and lands in a random field

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >while excalibur rounds without gun telemtatry (such as being fired from M777 without electronic fire control, which is how Ukraine is using them)
                So the US already solved the problem then? Good to know! We can continue with the current tech that's being developed then, rather than kneecapping US soldiers by solely worrying about how they'll perform if pitted against a near peer force that doesn't exist.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Post-Modern Reformerism

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Digits prove 308 is better
    Sigger is gay

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Guys we really need side charging and a heavier caliber so the women can't carry it.
    When in reality they should be learning how to fly man portable drones and drop munitions with them.
    I mean are they not learning from the modern warfare in front of their faces?
    Instead of upgrading the rifles that won't ever be used for anything each soldier should be getting some chink made drone made to drop mini nukes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >instead of

      homie they can do both. It's not an either or. We're not fricking zimbabwe so we can afford to give troops a new rifle and let them play with drones.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pounds spent on the rifle and ammo is pounds not spend on man portable PGMs. The issue isn't money, it's keeping the combat loadout from bloating to the point each infantryman needs their own mule.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How come all the man portable drones you see the US military using are moronic and overly complicated when what we really need is to just procure a shit load of chink drones and strap american munitions to them.
    It would be kindof poetic using chink drones to drop bombs on chink drones

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i want a semi auto MG338 so bad bros... is there hope?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Probably not, and it would cost like $15k anyway.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You guys used to boast about 124k units, now it's 16k rifles over 2 years. Sounds to me like they're going to quietly use the XM7 as a dmr.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it's 120,000 units over 10 years anon, that was always the number, it has always been that number, and it will likely remain at that number.

      Are you moronic or did you want to bring up an actual point here?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the whole point of the ngsw is to give every soldier an anti-drone capability

    >harder hitting heavier ammo
    kills drones faster
    >smart scope with target/aim leading overlay, able to network target data in conjunction with IVAS
    lets other assets like radar or friendly drones show average us infantryman exactly where and when to shoot to hit enemy drones

    a single infantry squad can act like a big frick off CIWS system to small drones, or at least until drone swarm tech matures but at that point the us has probably brought out something even better

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the whole point of the ngsw is to give every soldier an anti-drone capability
      hitting heavier ammo
      >kills drones faster
      That’s fricking moronic. Yeah let’s give soldiers a heavier gun with more recoil and less ammo to hit fast moving objects out of the sky. You have never shot clays let alone live birds

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like how every moron thinks the scope is some sort of aimbot device when its a scope that will rangefind and show on the ballistic reticule where you should hold over.
        Thats it.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Good christ lord and heaven it's like these threads get filled with fricking reformists and absolute morons who think dunning Krueger is a funny name. Get a fricking grip and read a book or some shit. Actually learn something.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >"Hey this shit might not be that useful"
      >FRICKING REFORMISTS
      Stop

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Krueger
      hehe, krueger. Funnie name.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >we need ta bring back da battle rifles so soldiers can shoot guys at 800 yards like Alvin York
      Is actually way more of a refoormer position than
      >infantry rifles aren't ultimately that important in the grand scheme of things, the vast majority of casualties are inflicted by fire support, the average infantryman is not shooting at point targets beyond about 300m, and the ability to carry more ammunition and deliver more volume of fire from a more controllable platform that's easier to train on is more important than bullseyeing the one chink in a 1000 who's dumb enough to stand still out in the open at 800m and wait for Private moronski to lase him and shoot him with a juiced up .300 winmag AR10

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We're procuring a little over 100k over the next five years. There are no plans to acquire any more than that yet. Combat arms soldiers are going to get them. Soldiers in support roles and service members in other branches may not get them. This is old news.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's not old news, the procurement numbers literally just got published.

      Yes, we know the rough plan, but seeing the numbers for FY24 is certainly new information.

      > Generated on 2023Mar03
      it's a fresh report.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The total hasn't changed. We just didn't know how much we would be getting for this upcoming fiscal year.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, that's what I said.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            OK, sorry. Love U, BB ;{3

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >But /k/ told me the NGSW program was getting killed
    It should be.
    >Why is the army buying another 16,000 rifles in FY24!?!?!?!?
    Because General Milley and the Overmatch moron Brigade haven't been defenestrated for their incompetence yet and instead are allowed to continue making stupid decisions.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Spear
    556 PDWs for poor fricking infantry, these for the small % doing the heavy offense/defense and special forces.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      its the other way around though

      SF will keep using mk18s and other 556 guns, mechanized infantry (who does the real fighting in a conventional conflict) would be better off with 556 guns. and light infantry (who's main role in conventional conflict is to take HE to the face and occupy land inside holes in the ground) will have this dumbass meme gun

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Budgeted
    Purchased - Contracted for
    Manufactured
    Delivered
    Accepted

    Are all different things. Wonder Gun is still in the early manufacturing period with small lots going out to the field this year. Plenty of time to get cancelled.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    there's no saving the army anymore, it's beyond fricking moronic

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