Sidearms

Happy burger day PrepHole. Recently I was looking at compact smith 3rd gens when I had a thought. Did the Soviets have a better idea for what a sidearm should be compared to us? In comparison to a 1911 or a M9 a Mak is
>lighter
>smaller
>easier to draw and carry
If you know much about military sidearms you know they're rarely used so is less more when it comes to sidearms or do we have it right to demand 10+ rounds in a full size package? Also what's the closest American equivalent to a Mak? I think the Smith & Wesson 439 comes closest in terms of weight, size but it's not blowback

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pp

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the butchered walthers are the closest thing to an American Mak and those blow ass (like a mak, unsurprisingly). I think you're on the right track though, it seems silly to issue something so rarely used to weigh so much but since when has the brass given a shit about the well being of spines and knees?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    tokarev TT

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah bro, .45acp had it's purpose back during the Fudd years when nobody knew how to ballistics. Compare to that the anemic 9x18 that Russian police still use today. Modern 9x19 at least stacks up to the .45acp with similar wound channels and lethality while allowing for higher capacity. Modern 9x18? Not so much..

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >9x18? Not so much..
      Sources?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You have a search engine at your fingertips.
        Feel free to explore the boundaries of human knowledge to your hearts content.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cool. Got any studies or statistics to back up your claims about 9x18? Or just your ass?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Shove your head up my ass and take a look, retard.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh macaron vs muh colt

    You are aware that its because of opposite purposes of the handguns in Amercian and Russian/Soviet Armies. Americans cling to the concept of the fighting handguns, an actual, if secondary, weapon issued to troops engaged in combat - hence it must be big and effective. While according to Russian military doctrine, handgun is mostly a badge of rank and a tool used not only to fight enemies but also to discipline your own troops. The old pistol manuals in Eastern Bloc Armies literally tell that pistol is to be used to enforce obedience to the orders on the battlefield. Which is why they just went with compact shit, because why bother with something bigger and more complex, when you need it mainly for coercing private Pidorasov into doing another suicidal charge.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. I think it primarily depends on what metric you’re basing your criteria on. In terms of lightweight, smaller, easier to draw/carry, an argument could be made for some of the .32acp/.380 guns that existing within the same timeframe. It largely depends on the design though. Fixed barrels (like the mak) have a habit of being snappy and don’t make for the most accommodating shooters. That’s not a knock against them, however it’s just part of the design. I’d say instead of looking towards Russian sidearms, I’d more look towards Italy/Spain. The first thing that comes to my mind is beretta.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't go out of your way to purchase a Mak for the purpose of carrying it, but if you already have one they're pretty well suited for carrying. The capacity is somewhat anemic compared to modern sub-compacts and the round leaves a lot to be desired, but they're very concealable and incredibly reliable. Sights also leave a lot to be desired and good luck finding hollow points for it.
    >t. carries a Makarov

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The mak is a terrible carry gun for what it is. It’s large, shoots a relatively anemic cartridge, snappy, it’s heavy, and has limited capacity. I usually take mine for trips into the woods, but it’s no lcp. Plus now they cost more to get into. They’re cool pistols, but they aren’t worth the cost by today’s metrics by any measure.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yup. Cool for S.T.A.L.K E.R. larp, but unless you got into them roughly 5+ years ago, they're not worth the $.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They still go for 500$ you know

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            $150-$200 too much

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thats like 2x what they're worth. Hell even 250 bucks would be steep for one. Like Mosins they're only liked because people could buy them by the dozen with some lint and spare change

            >muh macaron vs muh colt

            You are aware that its because of opposite purposes of the handguns in Amercian and Russian/Soviet Armies. Americans cling to the concept of the fighting handguns, an actual, if secondary, weapon issued to troops engaged in combat - hence it must be big and effective. While according to Russian military doctrine, handgun is mostly a badge of rank and a tool used not only to fight enemies but also to discipline your own troops. The old pistol manuals in Eastern Bloc Armies literally tell that pistol is to be used to enforce obedience to the orders on the battlefield. Which is why they just went with compact shit, because why bother with something bigger and more complex, when you need it mainly for coercing private Pidorasov into doing another suicidal charge.

            I don't mean to draw a direct comparison between the two (let's be honest the 1911 mogs a mak) more a general question if military sidearms are better as compacts or fullsize. Mak vs 1911 is just the first comparison that came to mind. Rephrasing the question better, would it be a better idea for an army to adopt Glock 17s or 43s?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sidearms are generally never used, so you might as well go with the cheapest option, but there are other considerations. For example, are submachine guns issued? Are you dealing with special operations where a longarm would be inappropriate?

              Something the size of a Glock 19 or, better yet, Sig 365 could handle both roles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >large
        >anemic cartridge
        >snappy

        huh?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >large
          Compare it to a lcp and other .380’s
          >anemic cartridge
          Compare it to 9mm and .380
          >snappy
          See fixed barrel
          >bonus
          Look at loadings available for it.

          Bottom line is that it’s shit compared to the multitude of other options out there. They are cool and I love mine, but they aren’t worth it by any measure unless you really want one for insurgency/stalker/larp/collection reasons

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            9x18 is more powerful than .380. Not by much but it is. Also these days it's often cheaper & easier to find, at least where I live.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most of them have worn out recoil springs. Due to the direct blowback action, a worn recoil spring will make the Makarov very snappy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Makarov is literally none of those things. Do you have tiny hands and weak wrists? There's dozens of better options than a Makarov for carry, but what you've said is absolutely nonsense.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You seem to have somehow missed the very first line of my post. I didn't say go out and buy one, just that if you already have one it can work, while not being ideal.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Im fat and my guns keep rusting on my belly

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Browning BDA in .380 acp is licensed under Browning in the US but was made in Italy, and arguably the best contender to a compact, steel or alloy frame handgun in something less hotter than a 9mm Luger, as a service pistol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just gorgeous. Loaded up some .32Auto this morning: CZ50, PA63.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    maks are perfectly viable for carry.
    >get makarov, or ideally a double stackarov for 12rd capacity
    >if single stackarov, get new grip for better mag release
    >get new or upgraded recoil spring for like $10 from wolff
    >get some buffalo bore hard cast or hornady critical defense as carry ammo
    >g2g, but maybe a bit more expensive than something more traditional

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do NOT get a double stack Makarov, they jam like it's going out of style and are the world champion of double feeds. Get a single stack and carry a spare mag if you need more.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        depends, are you using the shitty gloss black factory oem magazines or the actual gray parkerized ones that they're actually meant to be used with? mine has been flawless with all kinds: single stack, gloss black and gray russian ones

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        depends, are you using the shitty gloss black factory oem magazines or the actual gray parkerized ones that they're actually meant to be used with? mine has been flawless with all kinds: single stack, gloss black and gray russian ones

        9x18 too btw, not .380

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought Maks were really comfortable shooters. Wouldnt buy one just because the ammo is harder to come by and they are overpriced nowadays. Used to be cheaper

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was talking to a boomer who was finally upgrading to a CZ75 after carrying a CZ82 for years. Think he said ammo was 7 or 8 cpr when he stocked up, and he used underwood xtreme penetrators as carry ammo.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All Soviet Caliber Ammo seems to kill humans a lot better then western calibers.
    >it seems to me the west chose calibers a little large or smaller then their Soviet counterparts and yet Soviet Calibers seem to work better in all flavors and in steel cases too!

    9x18 is sort of a smaller version of the .45acp
    .300blk is a lame attempt to obfuscate the subsonic 9x39
    7.62x25 smokes 5.7x28
    7.62x39 smokes NATO 5.56

    Russians tested their ammo on human subject. The west relys on Insurance actuary for their final results

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The US still thought a handgun could be comparable to a rifle in the 80s with the Mk23. Although the USSR should have gone back to 7.62x25 once body armor started becoming more common.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It makes me wonder what could've been if 5.7 entered development sooner, if the Soviets saw an example of an AP pistol and had time to modernize 7.62 tok before the collapse. Imagine a bootleg 5.7 or P90. Truly what a magical and insane thought

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How do you incorporate sling in IWB carry?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a sling. Next question.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's not a question. Next question.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the makarov is kind of weird because nothing about it was chosen due to combat performance. they just aren't ergonomic and they shoot what is basically soviet .380. i personally do not like them. i don't hate them, but the mak ain't a tokarev

    i love the tokarev. everything about the design is much more interesting and enjoyable to shoot, the grip is thin, the barrel is long, the balance is favorable for one-handed shooting, and it has a single action trigger that even at its worst will be better than a half decent double action

    the yugo m88a, the 'mini tokarev' is probably the best thing you're looking for. its a tokarev mechanically, it shoots 9mm, has a legit hammer block safety, and is quite a small gun. it's no subcompact, but it doesn't feel like it's compromising. it isn't exactly what you were asking for but i think it's along what you were thinking. The serbs are bordering on not soviet, right?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just picked this up from my local gun show this past weekend. I saw a nice yugo sks but it was worn to fuck and they wanted $850.

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