Should the idea of a "scout rifle" be different for people who live in eastern woodlands and never take shots on animals over 75 yards?
In this case a large-bore SBR seems to make more sense than a 16" .308 rifle.
Should the idea of a "scout rifle" be different for people who live in eastern woodlands and never take shots on animals over 75 yards?
Why not both?
Scouts are not to engage in warfighting. The primary purpose of a scout rifle is harvesting game while on recon missions and covert operations involving ideally unaware and unprepared enemies. An autoloader makes no sense.
>An autoloader makes no sense.
The caveat I have for this is dusk and coydogs.
I've seen and heard packs near me in the n.east that probably number in the 15-20 range, they've gotten a bit close a few times when I've been out working on trucks late at night, to the point where I can spin my work light and see a dozen pairs of eyes reflected from the woodline.
Makes you want to keep an AR handy.
2 coyotes sound like 10.
Cite one single real world case of a fucking pack of coyotes charging into gunfire.
It was revealed to me in a dream.
>harvesting game while on recon missions
moron you're not going to hunt while on a "recon mission'.
Autoloaders are generally superior to bolt action rifles. The main advantage of the bolty is suppression - since they don't cycle, the bolt seals off the chamber and ensure most of the noise goes through the suppressor.
But if you really wanted, if you have an adjustable gas block on a suppressed semi-auto you can just turn it closed and you'll have the same sound advantage the bolty has.
Single shots have a significant advantage of being 3-5" shorter with the same barrel length.
Yes that's true, bolty's are generally lighter and more compact. In the grand scheme of things though I'd argue a couple of inches and maybe 3-4 lbs doesn't make a big difference especially when compared to the other advantages of autoloaders
Even skilled shooters sometimes miss - not to mention it's not easy hitting an animal's critical spot under stress. Even if you get a shot off, by the time you chamber a new round in the bolty, your target could be on top of you like in this video:
Also let's be realistic, most of us don't have the combination of nerves and skill to accurately take out a charging animal with a bolty in 1 shot.
>not to mention it's not easy hitting an animal's critical spot under stress
If you aren't confident in being able to make the shot, then you shouldn't be taking the shot. That's the basics of ethical hunting, and if you aren't okay with that then you shouldn't be out hunting in the first place.
>posts video of defensive handgun use
How is this relevant?
>If you aren't confident in being able to make the shot, then you shouldn't be taking the shot.
I agree. I was more thinking of situations where predatory wildlife sneaks up to you. I was stalked by a mountain lion once when hiking and never saw it until it was 25ft away from me.
I highly doubt I would have hit it with a bolty since I was getting hit with adrenaline. It would have been on top of me by the time I racked a new round in.
>being this concerned with quickly taking down an attacking animal that's already extremely close
>not using a handgun, which will always be faster to get on target with than a rifle carried in any comfortable way
Vermicide requires no ethics. I poison rats for example. Ethics don't exist in nature, they're a human rationale to make people feel good.
I don't need to justify doing what I will to lesser creatures.
>lesser creatures
>lesser
Congrats, you have an ethics, moron.
>Autoloaders are generally superior to bolt action rifles.
What advantage do they have outside of faster followup shots in the event that you suck at shooting?
>suppression
There’s that but also for any given cartridge, and especially for calibers larger/more powerful than .308, bolt actions can and tend to be much lighter. Basically with a scout rifle it seems to me that you’re planning on having a pretty spare loadout for moving fast on foot. A lighter weapon that can inflict a casualty or two and/or provide some standoff range while you exit the area would be good. Most semi-auto .308s with a 16”-20” barrel are well over 8lbs. Most scout rifles in .308 seem to be 6-7. I know 2-3lbs doesn’t sound like a lot, but when your total cross-country equipment is maybe 30-40lbs, that’s a high % change in total weight. Just an aspect where bolt guns usually have an advantage.
>The primary purpose of a scout rifle is harvesting game while on recon missions
holy absolute fuck, who are you people?
literally who are you, and what country do you come from?
are you ALL polish?
there is no other explanation for how you could be that inexplicably stupid, unless you were polish
I'd pay a lot of money for one of these.
Eastern woodlands are my jam, to be frank I can honestly get by with a 16" 357 lever action.
Black bear is just about the biggest thing I can come across, other than that it's just whitetail for the most part.
Hornady makes lever evolution rounds in 357 I've been meaning to try but generally I use just 158 grain soft point for deer.
I don't even think a bigger bullet is totally necessary, I've been thinking about using a 10" 300blk and supersonics, I think it'd work just about as well with the right projectile, so from that standpoint I think you're right, an SBR would probably be adequate.
That said I don't think a scout rifle is out of place hunting either.
With a low powered optic on a short 308 at 75 yards you can be EXTRA sure you're going to be getting a "instant drop" shot.
I guess what my feeling is overall is that the "scout length carbine" concept is still perfectly valid, the biggest difference being that the optic isn't actually necessary.
>16" 357 lever action
Or this, suppressed and dooded out all space cowboy.
Eh, I don't know. If you ask me the thumper concept is overrated, yeah it's nice to be able to shoot through some brush and have bigger wound channels for larger blood trails, but if I had to choose only one rifle, I'd like something with reasonably high velocity. It all comes down to preference.
If you ask me, Ruger hit it out of the park with the SFAR and basically solved the basic scout rifle concept. Yeah, there's the thing with different laws all over the world, but if I'm going on safari, I'm choosing a gun better suited to the task anyways. I'm not shooting a buffalo with a .308 if I could take a .450 NE.
If I never took shots over 75 yards, I'd go with suppressed 300 memeout.
Why do you feel a rifle to fit your specific use case needs to be described by a term intended to describe rifles intended for a specific and entirely different use case?
Ssk needs to take five minutes off from tossing moron salad and release their new frame already
I'm seeing on the forums that it's finally™ here apparently
Is this another one of those guns that looks really awesome on a spreadsheet but after being built is used a handful of times before spending the rest of its life at the back of the gunsafe?
I live in the southwest corner of Ohio in an area that would have generally considered to be pretty open.
I drove around with a range finder and looked at what the actual distances of things are.
>full length of large mall parking lot
300yard
>full length of public park area with hiking and picnic
140 yards
>front of Starbucks to corporate office sitting back on it's own acreage
320 yards
>average distance across parking lots
20 to 60 yards
In fact I had to go to the top of a specific place to find a shot that would push must past 300 yards. There I found a place where shooting at 700 yards was possible. However, aside from the tops of buildings there was no location past 150 yards where complete avoidance would be easily possible and no location where my hardest LARP'ing could even imagine a scenario necessitating a shot past 200 yards.
just fucking buy one already. just FUCKING buy a scout rifle already. stop making thread after thread it is JUST A BOLTGUN WITH A SCOPE ON IT
THATS ALL IT IS. ITS NOT A CLASS YOU ARE NOT PICKING A CLASS YOU ARE NOT A SCOUT YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ A MAP
Scout rifle is a boomer larp. A rifle for a man who read about exotic animals hunts as a child, set in the wilderness that was far gone even in their day with 1/3 of today's population.
It's gone anons, let it go.
scout rifles are just boomer retardation, nothing more.
it serves zero purpose other than being a niche for no other reason than being a niche. its dumb for the sake of being different.