Shotgun shells

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    keister it first

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    make it rimless and full brass, or at the very least out of a less squishy material than plastic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make it rimless
      its amazing that posters like you will still frequent the gun board and just have zero idea about guns

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you want reliable detachable box mags or not? No, Saiga mags are shit as is every current detachable mag fed shotgun on the market

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you want detachable box magazines for a shotgun you are delusional and/or an underaged poster who has never shot a gun before and conflating video games with real life

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or, and this may blow your mind, I like shotguns but want more dakka. If the thought of a reliable autoloading drum fed shotgun doesn't get you at least a little stiff then you may need to get screened for gay

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >posts 3 very cheap shotguns somehow to impress and prove wisdom/experience

              so I guess you're absolutely delusional then if you think box magazines for shotguns is necessary, desirable, or even remotely a good idea

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >benelli
                >very cheap
                I'll give you the baikal and the stevens but in lieu of you presenting a shotgun of equal or greater value to my M3 I must assume you know nothing and are projecting your ignorance unto me. Perhaps you're the delusional one for not seeing why a shotgun that can be quickly reloaded would be desirable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why a shotgun that can be quickly reloaded would be desirable
                if you truly don't see how wrong this is then there's no helping you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you truly don't see the benefit of rapid reloads altogether, I will have to demonstrate on your torso.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                MagX or whatever solved this years ago. If you ever find yourself asking "why not x" about shotguns just look at the skeet/trap community and you'll find a dozen answers to your questions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Magazines are bad in general
                >Magazines are morally wrong in general
                What the frick is your problem?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but select slug, top off loading, integrated ammunition, best use of space, easier to carry your ammo are just what immediately come to mind.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Rimless
      Sure, and make them incompatible with every shotgun in existence
      >Full brass
      Already done to try and cope with wartime conditions back in the days of paper, but they were expensive and tended to have feed issues.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nLe0vc4.jpeg

      How do we fix it?

      https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/19/gun-review-intrepid-tactical-solutions-ras-12-shotgun/

      Do you want reliable detachable box mags or not? No, Saiga mags are shit as is every current detachable mag fed shotgun on the market

      Here's a thought
      >50 Beowulf or similar fat thumper AR round
      >Replace projectile with payload of smaller lead balls
      >Make the barrel smoothbore with a detachable muzzle device that could act like a rifled choke
      and just like that you have a shotgun shell that can feed from magazines reliably and fit into pre-existing AR uppers and lowers. Yeah its not a modern 12ga replacement but at least it'll do 410's job but better

      literally what the frick is the point of making 12 gauge work with box mags? the only think 12 gauge does well is kill birds and clays, everything else can be done better with a rifle. killing birds and clays works fine with current shotgun tube mags

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because I want 12 gauge in a modern rifle format. I need to put as many holes into my targets as physically possible as quickly as possible. Is a man not allowed to satisfy his urge to punch 3/4 inch holes into people quickly and efficiently? Is a man not allowed to have something that won't just breach a door but a whole apartment block in the time it takes to reload a tube? Why should a man settle for only having a pithy 3 shells when bird hunting when we could have shotguns that could wipe out entire flocks with such speed and efficiency it'd put the old punt guns to shame?
        I love shotguns but I want them to maximize the amount of lead they can send downrange, currently they're not enough, I need more. I need the Abzats from Metro, anything less just will not suffice

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because that would only sell to you and not the market at large

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make it rimless
      That was tried years ago. It flopped hard.

      >and full brass
      Why do inexperienced shotgunners fixate on this? Is it because they think it will stop shells deforming in a box mag? News flash for brass shotshell virgins: brass shells have extremely thin case walls, they deform too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Came to post this. Shotgun users just didn’t care enough about it and it flopped. It’s a great idea for semi autos and feeding from mags, and would likely be more useful/viable nowadays with the probable resurgence of shotguns, only this time as anti-drone devices.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        couldnt you just make plastic or metal sleeves to put on existing shells to make them "rimless"? seems like you dont have to reinvent the wheel here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do people insist on trying to turn shotguns into rifles? If you want a rifle get one.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    make the shell pink 😀

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bold assumptions anon. I think its past your bedtime.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's wrong with it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not eco-friendly.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/19/gun-review-intrepid-tactical-solutions-ras-12-shotgun/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is perfect.
      now make high brass RAS-12 shells so I can shoot high pressure loads.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's perfect as-is.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a thought
    >50 Beowulf or similar fat thumper AR round
    >Replace projectile with payload of smaller lead balls
    >Make the barrel smoothbore with a detachable muzzle device that could act like a rifled choke
    and just like that you have a shotgun shell that can feed from magazines reliably and fit into pre-existing AR uppers and lowers. Yeah its not a modern 12ga replacement but at least it'll do 410's job but better

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Italian Vetterli had a cartridge that replaced the projectile with a series of segmented discs, you could probably do something similar. I don’t imagine the wedges has great ballistics, but it was intended for riot control, so maybe that was intentional.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >replaced the projectile with a series of segmented discs
        Picrel was actually designed around that concept, it fired a paper cartridge with 12 quarter-circle wedge shaped pieces of buckshot stacked in three layers. There was a modern version for 12ga that I recall seeing on Taufledermaus, the QB-8, which used steel for the segments instead of lead. Those "pie wedge" or quadrangle sort of shapes would have even worse ballistics than round shot though. They might be nasty at short range, but that's not saying a whole lot.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just bring back the all brass shell design from WW1.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >here's your 5lb shell, bro

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those things are flimsier than plastic hulls.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only people who argue that brass shells for shotguns are good are those who never tried to load them.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What needs fixing
    >too bulky
    Use a smaller gauge
    >too heavy and low capacity
    It's fine for most civilian uses.
    Shotgun cartridges weakness are also its greatest strengths, they will will anything that you can fit inside them and are pretty moron proof when it comes to reloading. You can even make your own wadding, the only things you have to buy are the primers and powder, unless you want to make your own black powder and use that.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is there a particular geometry of pellet that allows you to more densely pack in shot in a shell?

    What about having several different sizes of shot in a shell, like filling a jar with rocks, then pouring sand inbetween?

    lastly, how much space really is needed for wadding and the like? couldn't an "optimized" sized shell be almost entirely powder and shot, with other material as compact as feasible?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >is there a particular geometry of pellet that allows you to more densely pack in shot in a shell?
      Yes, but those have even worse aerodynamics than spheres.

      >What about having several different sizes of shot in a shell
      There are some products like that on the shelf, but they're really silly memes designed to separate idiots from their money. Mixing shot sizes is not helpful because the size should be chosen to achieve a specific goal, usually having a certain amount of energy at a given distance. Adding shot smaller than that to your shell increases recoil due to the extra mass while not having any extra benefit at range.

      >space needed for wadding
      Wads are important and have a huge effect on the density of the pattern at distance. There absolutely are shells with minimal wadding and they pattern like shit compared to shells with better wadding, for example compare mini shells with standard shells of the same shot size/weight, or the same with larger loads in 3" and 2.75".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        right, aerodynamics. couldn't you make diamond(not the gem) shapes or teardrop shapes? those are both more aerodynamic than spheres, which really aren't all that great of geometry for that.
        though they probably wouldn't have any stabilizing spin so i guess they would tumble a lot.

        and well, i am aware that wadding is important for patterning, but sometimes they seem to have a lot of dead space in them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao for being shot out of a wad the humble sphere is the best shape. I've seen plenty of those half circle gimmick rounds for duck hunter paypigs. Without proper stabilization there's no way in hell a diamond shot isn't going to pattern like Helen Keller on a dart board unless you individually wrap everyone and even then that's been done before and it's hot ass.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they've done cubes for turkey and it patterns fine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Though not perfectly stacked like you want Rhodesian jungle shells are a mix of heavy and light shot. Firequest sells some along with bunch of other fun shotgun loads.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump to 10ga for close to 20mm for anti-drone proxy fuse and HEAT for lite-anti-armor, and frag for sniper grenade.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make it have a spear like projectile, like how tanks do. Also make it really hot.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can get solid brass, they are expensive.

    The law is also a limitation. The main firearm market in the world is the usa and calibers over .50 inch bore diameter need to be 'sporting' without increased restrictions that reduce market potential beyond what manufacturers will cater to.
    Current 12 gauge is sporting exempt. A new .75" bore semi auto caliber designed for a high capacity automatic will not be.
    A sub .50 bore shotgun is pathetic for most things, just like .410 shotguns are. You need at least 20 gauge .615" bore before it can even be taken seriously.
    You cannot really bottleneck a shotgun multi projectile load because the payload needs straight walls.
    12 gauge is already almost 1/3 larger than the legal limit. And you can go 10 gauge too.
    So you are forced to work with existing caliber shotshells.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's pretty much always a 3-round capacity limit when bird hunting with a shotgun (your jurisdication mary vary) so why the frick would I need a box mag on my shotgun

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ounce of metal inside the shell is called a slug
    >not called a snail
    fix this right now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this

      Two different words.
      Slug as fired is simply that. A slug of metal that is propelled from a gun.
      Slug the animal is a short form of sluggard. A lazy or slow person .

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fix yourself, shotgun shells are fine.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HAHA FRICK YOU! DK DK DK DK DK DK DK DK DK
    No but seriously, the shells are fine. Keeps moisture out, feeds reliably. For hunting they make you plug your gun to a limit, and for combat most of the door kickers liked the small boi and said frick fighting with a shotgun, I'm just here to blow off hinges while gung-ho charges in.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've read several interviews of soldiers from vietnam that loved their shotguns. Nothing folds a person up like a 12gauge slug.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thick brass case from anti materiel cartridge parent
    >pressure bumped up to modern rifle loads
    >aero tipped shot capsules with fuzes set for different distances
    >ounce of shot launched at 4000fps towards birds or drones
    >shot capsule explodes and spreads near target
    >pellets impact at a higher velocity than a contact shot with a standard load
    It just might work

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Flak but for waterfowl
      Can't wait for a miniaturized VT fuze.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      of shot launched at 4000fps towards birds or drones
      yeah good luck with that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >180 ftlbs of free recoil
      >poster probably has never shot anything with more than 30 ftlbs of recoil
      yeah.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bold of you to assume they've ever shot anything at all.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get rid of the fricking plastic. All plastic should be considered a biohazard. Brass cased ammo and copper projectiles need to be the future

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick off with brass, just make it aluminum or steel if you're crying about box mags.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have to think bigger, use 20x102mm as base case then replace the bullet with a shot wad full of shot. Pic related, that's scale accurate 00 buck, you could squeeze a lot more in there. Quick googling shows that 500gr is a typical powder charge for 20mm, so there's a lot to play with, albeit some sucker might want to shorten the case.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So, like a punt gun cartridge but worse?

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick it, dimple the shot like a golf ball

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reinforce the plastic, keep the brass for the rim short, reform the plastic so the shot could be pre-choked, utilize enhanced wads for better flight control.

    Outside of that, shotgun shells are about as good as its gonna get without redefining the entire genre of weapons.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >develop 20mm grenade launcher that incidentally can fire shot
    >further develop 40mm shot rounds

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