Shitty weapons thread

>barrel not free-floating
>barrel heat fitted
>that trigger guard
>toy gun tier scope
>receiver more plastic than steel
>magazine literally explodes

Was the Remington 770 the worst production rifle ever made? What the fuck was Remington thinking?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Also let's not forget:
    >.300 WM length action for .308

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >long-action for a .308
      Excuse me what the fuck

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They tried to keep costs down by manufacturing one action for multiple calibers.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They should have known better. That's completely butt-fuckin' stupid.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Lots of manufacters are doing it now to keep costs down. It can be done well, remington and savage just make shitty rifles

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >They tried to keep costs down by manufacturing one action for multiple calibers.
          Shit like this should never make it out of the meeting where the accountant suggests this.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The M24 is long action. The idea behind the concept that if you want to barrel swap the barrel for a 30 cal longer round you can do so. The M24 had a 308 and a 300 win mag barrel

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That has been standard for like 50 years.
        Given the common swapping to 300WIN or similar magnums because of extreme distance shooting, it does just make more sense economically to default to long action for everything. They're not tactical rifles.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck was Remington thinking?
    shekels xaxaxaxa

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck was Remington thinking
    'we can do whatever we want because were a name brand'

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is basically why american brands as a whole are in the shitter. They all think they can coast and charge premium prices because of their brand name and then they get btfo by foreign companies offering a superior product for cheaper. Happens with cars, motorcycles, guitars. guns, fucking everything.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        "superior" only in terms of price.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Seethe.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >he posted it again!
          ahhhhhh what a great point

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I would like to say that's a boomer characteristic (we know it is) but boomers haven't given up the reins to enough companies for us to know if later generations will actually fix it.
        Colt, Remington and Harley Davidson all shit the bed for the same reasons. Boomers thought having a good name meant they didn't have to actually produce a good product. I'm not trying to make a boomer hate post but it's very apt here

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        its because they get bought out by private equity asset strippers who run storied brands into the ground so they can add another e-boi sex dungeon to their house in the Hamptons

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          this

          Sounds like Japan, where they have exploding Sika deer populations but no natural predators and almost no hunters to speak of.

          The few Japanese hunter videos out there are extremely interesting. Wading through snow with a nice bolt action trying to find deer. No clue how the guy I watched got it back.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > Private Equity hater
          Patrician tastes my brother

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Eh I disagree, The new Ruger marlins are excellent rifles and have a pretty good msrp if you can navigate the sea of gunbroker scalpers

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          When the fuck are they bringing back the model 60?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Soon I hope. That reminds me, I want my Glenfield Model 60 with a squirrel stock and another with the groundhog stock, damn it. I haven't seen a used one since Ruger took over Marlin. I saw one for ~$250, maybe $200, but that's it. Cracked stock, too, though my hunting .22 has one too since I use a beater stock and it doesn't seem to get any bigger. Just ugly to look at.

            Maybe some emails should be sent to Ruger requesting that gun...

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Ruger is not a boomer company anymore though.
          They honestly have a lot of younger people working for it.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The M+M M10X is a cool idea but an utter failure in basically every capacity. Promises swiss engineering but they fall apart like garage guns.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      and if you're gonna get an AK that doesn't look like an AK, you may as well just get a galil ace

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Theoretically if they were made well at all they'd be superior to the ACE for having a proper monolithic upper.
        Unfortunately it generally just isn't so.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like soulless garbage.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Lots of guns are soulless, but at least they function as tools. The M10X is just plainly non-functional.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot
    >worst bolt to ever be fitted to a rifle
    Seriously mine would jam if you weren't careful, so much slop that if you got aggressive with it and were slightly off center the bolt would bind in the receiver and you would need to pull it back and try again.
    Though surprisingly an MOA or near MOA rifle with factory ammo depending on the brand. It stunned me when I shot that first group tbh.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The 770 was basically their option for the growing trend of budget bolt rifles like the Savage Axis, only they cut every single corner possible to get the price. The 783 fared much better but thats only because the entire thing was already made by Marlin before FG got them.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's WESCO time!
    >Thompson/Sten hybrid chambered in .45ACP
    >mags are Grease Gun mags with chunks cut out of it
    >bolt needs about 70 pounds of force to pull back
    >the recoil spring might be a shock from a motorcycle
    >held together with allen bolts, all different sizes
    >rear sight is a big ass ring off of a shotgun
    >only one sling mount
    >there's a big chunk of rubber at the back of the receiver that the bolt bounces off of
    >failure to feed 2/3 of the time
    >when it jams you have to hold the super-heavy bolt back with one hand and stick your fingers inside the receiver to try to dig the shell out
    >if it stovepipes, it will slice the casing in half
    >handguard looks like it will burn your hand, but I've never been able to shoot it long enough for the barrel to get hot

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Anon what the fuck. Why do you own such a thing?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's the most fun I've ever had with a gun

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well, as confusing as that is, I hope you're able to enjoy that monstrosity until the day you die.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You paid $899 for this piece of shit? I now understand why you post it so often, have to get your worth in chuckles at least

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Worth every penny.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Fucking kek and I salute you anon. This is the first PrepHole picture I've saved on my new computer

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What’s the history of the Wesco? I think I’ve seen you post this rifle before. I can’t find any real info on the rifle from a google search

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Some guy built a few and tried to sell them at LA gun shows in the 70s. One got confiscated by the cops once. That's all I can find.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No-name .22 I bought for $40
    Magazine is fake, it's a single shot
    Working the bolt action doesn't cock the rifle, the bolt has to be pulled back manually
    Wiggling the bolt will fire the gun
    Has adjustable rear sight with no numbers on it
    Bore is completely fucked, I've never seen a .22 keyhole before

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Fucking radical man. The only redeeming feature is how cheap it was and how awful it is…. Making it an odd novelty that I’d keep if I had it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >we have m1 carbine at home

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      josh is that you is that the lil pea shooter you got from david

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know who either of those people are, me and Charlie bought this and a shitty Rohm pistol from some boomer for $100 total

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >The president is in Dallas!
      >Climb into the book depository
      >An take aim!
      >Realistic bolt action
      >Wow, I'm just like Oswald!
      >Take that John Bowden Connally, Jr!
      >Be just like your hero with the new .22 Super Carcano-like Headshot Special
      >(scope and bullets sold separately)

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous
  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Glocks
    >nothing more needs to be said

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bait.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've killed about 18 deers with that gun in .243, and 4 of them beyond 250 yds, so it got some weakness, but it gets the job done. It's a quite lightweight gun, so you can carry it around all day without tiring, and the cheap finish makes it so you don't worry when carrying it through rain, brushes and what not. Maybe I'm just lucky with the one I have, but I can consistently shoot below 1 MOA with it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >all those positives
      You could’ve just got a Savage Axis, senpai. The one I have for hunting has been damn near indestructible and I’ve owned it for close to 7 years, only cleaned it after every hunt, and shoot trash handmade pissin’ hot pills from my dad’s friend

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        The Savage Axis 2 has a phenomenal trigger and if you do some work to stiffen the stock while keeping it free floating is easily a 0.5moa rifle.
        That one small caveat can't beat the $300 price you can sometimes find them for.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the thing about those cheap ass hunting rifles like the 770, the T/C Compass, and others. The people that buy them pick them up cheap at Walmart, shoot maybe 5 rounds from them to zero the rifle and bag a deer or two, then sell/pawn the rifle at their local pawn shop once the hunting season ends. The user doesn't expect it to be an heirloom gun, it's just a tool. Manufacturers take advantage of this mindset and make them as cheaply as possible.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      How does that make the rifle any less shit? Are you implying this subhuman garbage moron tier COMSOOOM mindset absolves Remington of producing this absolute reputation-crippling shitstick?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Except that's not how it works. Retards buy Compass rifles then swear that it's just as good as something made for twice the money - in this case, a rifle that costs $600. It's not even close. The fitment of every part of the rifle is clown tier and the thing rusts if you don't do your utmost to maintain it.
      I know this is a huge shock to people who buy the memes that all companies sell the same thing, and some just charge more for it, but "you get what you pay for" is a maxim to go by.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Except it is you chud touhou moron, I worked as an FFL for years, I literally watched a bunch of poor hillbillies come in a month before deer season, buy Remington 770s and 783s and other cheap polymer shit rifles with one box of ammo, come back after the season ended, and sell the rifle back. I once sold the same 783 to a guy 3 years in a row.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I literally watched a bunch of poor hillbillies come in a month before deer season, buy Remington 770s and 783s and other cheap polymer shit rifles with one box of ammo, come back after the season ended, and sell the rifle back. I once sold the same 783 to a guy 3 years in a row.
          Jesus christ. I get being poor enough to not buy from anywhere except the bottom shelf but why the fuck would you do something like that instead of just buying an H&R once? You get a better gun for less and you get to KEEP it..

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Because they could buy the gun, shoot the deer, and get half their money back on the gun at the end of season. It's silly, but when you're dirt poor every dollar counts.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I fully understand the idea, but assuming that they spend $400 or so on the rifle and then get $200 back they're already at how much it costs to buy a used H&R or CVA or whatever.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >when you're dirt poor every dollar counts.
              How does subhuman garbage like that even afford a deer tag?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Let me guess, they don't even have tags? Literal poaching vermin.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                A general hunting license for large and small game in my state is $170.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What fucking state do you live in? Vermont?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                u can get a hunting license for like $15 in my state and shoot up to 3-4 deer per season. most of my buddies that hunt dont sell their guns though they just get like a savage axis and use it every year and never clean or oil it. its fine if u only shoot it like 5 times a year

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit, 1 (one) roe buck costs $800 where I live. A hunting license for the whole year more like $3000. You can't suffer in muttmerica.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                damn at that point u might as well go to a store and buy a fuckton of meat

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Hunting in Europe is hilariously expensive. Guns are twice as expensive as they are in the US. Ammo probably thrice as expensive. Hunting on some pal's private property is basically impossible. All hunting grounds are either public or some game tenant owns them and all of those are all shekel-hungry succubi.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                which country are you from? i heard that deer were pests in england or something so you could shoot as many of them as you wanted

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >which country are you from?
                Austria
                >i heard that deer were pests in england or something so you could shoot as many of them as you wanted
                I know they have big muntjac populations over in Ingerlund, which are basically midget versions of the already very small deer species we have in Europe; essentially big rats. I don't think the "shooting as many as you want" part applies anywhere in Europe, thoughever. I also don't think there's much meat left on those things when you whack them with a .308 or something.
                Think of hunting in Europe like hunting in the US but severely less comfy and infinitely more expensive.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                dang that sucks. dont you have like massive red stags and stuff there to hunt though? my state only has white tail deer and they are pretty small

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >dont you have like massive red stags
                We do, but they're still dwarfed by elks and moose. They're also out of the average hunter's reach financially. If I wanted to shoot a strong, capital one like in your picrel, it'd probably run me upwards of $10,000.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                holy fuck. how much does it cost to shoot a moose there?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                We don't have moose in Austria, but I know they do in Sweden and Norway. Funnily enough, it'd probably be less expensive to shoot a nice moose on a hunting trip up there than a strong red stag here. Hunting here is garden gnomed as fuck.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                damn

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Say, is it true that whitetail deer are mostly cornfed in the US and they don't have a gamey taste at all? Because deer here exclusively feed on wild grass and alpine herbs. It's also illegal to feed them in the spring, summer, and autumn months. That includes shooting them at a feeder etc.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Many people put out grain feeders, or leave bags of corn out to attract deer, but their entire diet does not consist of corn.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Deer like corn a lot, which is why the corn states tend to have big deer. However they don't exclusively eat it. They also adore clovers, apples too. They got nuts for that stuff. It probably does make them taste less gamey, but even that you can kind of work around by wrapping the meat in some bacon before you start cooking. the pig will override the gaminess to a degree.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Depends on where you’re hunting. In my home state of Texas, the vast majority of deer are shot on private land and, at the very least, lured in with corn. Large ranches (or leases) running hunting operations corn the shit out of their deer with feeders galore. I wouldn’t say corn does much of anything regarding gaminess though.

                In the northeast, there’s much more woods hunting where deer aren’t typical fed and baited.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Typically*

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Depends. Can't really give a description of taste in my state as I've only had deer meat sticks and other cured meat but some state fish and game will have public land they plant small plots of corn on in between wooded areas. Real strange when you first see it but it makes sense since the surrounding area is all private land. I don't think the corn lasts very long; IIRC it's mostly gone by deer season, but it keeps the deer fed and in the area (and we actually need more deer hunters here). Chipmunks eat it too and I'm sure squirrels also do. Oddly enough, foxes also seem to eat it.

                Now, we also have massive cornfields all over the place, so if you're hunting on a farmer's property with permission, you're also probably getting cornfed deer. However, there's plenty of deer out there that simply eat whatever they find in the woods. Depends where you hunt.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I've had deer just stuffed full of corn that don't have any gamey taste at all.
                Just a bit of an irony flavor compared to beef.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Venison tastes like venison. I wouldn't expect it to taste like beef anymore than I'd expect lamb to taste like beef.
                If you don't like the taste, my advice is give it to someone that does, or make it all into jerky.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Roast it with whatever apple juice/preserves that's the new age grill hotness and then it tastes like a sweet beef roast.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Who doesn't like venison? I marinate mine in a red wine, garlic, onion, bay leaf, rosemary and thyme marinade over night and then slow roast it. Shit slaps.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                i cant tell the difference between it and beef, but my family like soaks it in water or milk or something overnight before they cook it

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I’d imagine the prices will fall rapidly in about 10-15 years when the majority of boomers are too decrepit to do any sort of walking hunt. At least that’s my hope for you, fren

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I wish, but I'm afraid the reality is that the game populations will decrease to a point where hunting becomes even more expensive. Also the need for housing increases constantly, which, of course, is problematic in a country that's 70% mountains and forest. Game populations are basically being bereft of their natural habitats and driven back ever more by civilisation.

                I have generally noticed a trend of Euro vs American weapons and I think it really speaks to who the intended audiences are

                >European gun laws are deliberately expensive to cater to a specific type of pseudo nobility, up to and including the hunting laws that specifically benefited the old nobility and have crudely been grafted onto the modern populace in tone, if not word
                >thus euro guns tend to be borderline bespoke and very expensive, because if you're spending nearly $1k on a single hunting permit or something you may as well fleece them for a $3,000 rifle. At this point committing a crime with a legally obtained gun is about as absurd as Bill Gates breaking into your home at 3am to steal your TV--the rich have better ways to commit crimes than hold a liquor store at gunpoint.

                >American gun laws are extremely frontier-esque in comparison due to the vast amount of land and protected areas relative to the population, and thus guns are meant to be available to the most common economic denominator consequences be damned. Thus you have cheap $500 hunting and even tactical guns, but then also have people who ultimately commit crimes have easy access to them.

                Different strokes i suppose. But man I do feel bad for you guys. At least you make some really high end stuff though.

                Very aptly put, though I must admit I'm quite lucky as my country's gun laws are fairly liberal. Certainly not as liberal as America's, but still. I can get a pistol without much fuzz, I can slap a can on my rifle, I could even get an evil military AR-10/15 type rifle. A Sako 85 in .308 works just fine for the 2 or 3 deer I bag every year, though.

                Many people put out grain feeders, or leave bags of corn out to attract deer, but their entire diet does not consist of corn.

                Deer like corn a lot, which is why the corn states tend to have big deer. However they don't exclusively eat it. They also adore clovers, apples too. They got nuts for that stuff. It probably does make them taste less gamey, but even that you can kind of work around by wrapping the meat in some bacon before you start cooking. the pig will override the gaminess to a degree.

                I see, thanks.

                Depends on where you’re hunting. In my home state of Texas, the vast majority of deer are shot on private land and, at the very least, lured in with corn. Large ranches (or leases) running hunting operations corn the shit out of their deer with feeders galore. I wouldn’t say corn does much of anything regarding gaminess though.

                In the northeast, there’s much more woods hunting where deer aren’t typical fed and baited.

                >In the northeast, there’s much more woods hunting where deer aren’t typical fed and baited.
                I'm assuming that's closer to the European hunting experience then, as baiting deer is strictly forbidden here.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >North east
                It just kind of depends. In the midwest you can't really get around deer that are extremely well fed. Food is everywhere for them even if you don't feed them on purpose. Every other hectare for them is an all-you-can-eat corn buffet, and they are happy to oblige. In the Northeast, the Appalachians, the mule deer out in Utah/the rockies etc., there's far less farmland so you get smaller deer with far more game taste, and people tend to feed them less because feeding them would generally require doing it in a state park or something... which is generally illegal.

                In my current state (OH) you can feed deer on your property and shoot them that way, no problem. However, you can't feed them within a certain amount of time on state/public hunting land specifically because it's unsporting.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >then, as baiting deer is strictly forbidden here.
                Also forbidden here, but feeding isn't as long as you remove the food source within 30 days of the first day of deer season IIRC. I think hunting cornfields is fine but I may be wrong, but any area even with "residues of food" (from feeding) or something like that is considered illegal baiting, too. Depends on the state and species.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Be euro hunter anon
                >shoot stag
                >get taken to court by a doe for the wrongful death of the stag
                >guilty!
                >court awards the doe $10000 in restitution.
                Goddam that’s brutal!

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Wtf, that's a fucking dog-deer hybrid

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I have generally noticed a trend of Euro vs American weapons and I think it really speaks to who the intended audiences are

                >European gun laws are deliberately expensive to cater to a specific type of pseudo nobility, up to and including the hunting laws that specifically benefited the old nobility and have crudely been grafted onto the modern populace in tone, if not word
                >thus euro guns tend to be borderline bespoke and very expensive, because if you're spending nearly $1k on a single hunting permit or something you may as well fleece them for a $3,000 rifle. At this point committing a crime with a legally obtained gun is about as absurd as Bill Gates breaking into your home at 3am to steal your TV--the rich have better ways to commit crimes than hold a liquor store at gunpoint.

                >American gun laws are extremely frontier-esque in comparison due to the vast amount of land and protected areas relative to the population, and thus guns are meant to be available to the most common economic denominator consequences be damned. Thus you have cheap $500 hunting and even tactical guns, but then also have people who ultimately commit crimes have easy access to them.

                Different strokes i suppose. But man I do feel bad for you guys. At least you make some really high end stuff though.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >>thus euro guns tend to be borderline bespoke and very expensive, because if you're spending nearly $1k on a single hunting permit or something you may as well fleece them for a $3,000 rifle. At this point committing a crime with a legally obtained gun is about as absurd as Bill Gates breaking into your home at 3am to steal your TV--the rich have better ways to commit crimes than hold a liquor store at gunpoint.
                Dunno about that. I would say that the availability and popularity of custom and semi-custom rifles is much greater in Europe than it is in the US but they're not your only options. Of course all the governments fuck you with piles of of taxes and fees and hoops to jump through but the actual rifle prices are pretty decent.

                I wish, but I'm afraid the reality is that the game populations will decrease to a point where hunting becomes even more expensive. Also the need for housing increases constantly, which, of course, is problematic in a country that's 70% mountains and forest. Game populations are basically being bereft of their natural habitats and driven back ever more by civilisation.
                [...]
                Very aptly put, though I must admit I'm quite lucky as my country's gun laws are fairly liberal. Certainly not as liberal as America's, but still. I can get a pistol without much fuzz, I can slap a can on my rifle, I could even get an evil military AR-10/15 type rifle. A Sako 85 in .308 works just fine for the 2 or 3 deer I bag every year, though.
                [...]
                [...]
                I see, thanks.
                [...]
                >In the northeast, there’s much more woods hunting where deer aren’t typical fed and baited.
                I'm assuming that's closer to the European hunting experience then, as baiting deer is strictly forbidden here.

                >I'm assuming that's closer to the European hunting experience then, as baiting deer is strictly forbidden here.
                It varies by region since many areas of the US are borderline overrun with whitetails because dude no wolves lmao. It also bears mentioning that although in the northeast you have deciduous forests similar to those in much of Europe, as far as alpine hunting is concerned you have to go to the Rockies and points west.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Hunting in Europe is far more close to the old feudal situation where only nobility and high status people could hunt.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/AL5teZd.png

                >which country are you from?
                Austria
                >i heard that deer were pests in england or something so you could shoot as many of them as you wanted
                I know they have big muntjac populations over in Ingerlund, which are basically midget versions of the already very small deer species we have in Europe; essentially big rats. I don't think the "shooting as many as you want" part applies anywhere in Europe, thoughever. I also don't think there's much meat left on those things when you whack them with a .308 or something.
                Think of hunting in Europe like hunting in the US but severely less comfy and infinitely more expensive.

                Hunting in Germoid countries is expensive. Not so Finland. You can start out hunting for less than €300 if you're content with some bubbafucked Mosin as your rifle. Like one third of that cost is the gun permit and €20 is the hunting loicense test.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Hunting on some pal's private property is basically impossible
                not in ingerland, but to access large estates usually you have to belong to a hunting syndicate for £3000+ per year

                https://i.imgur.com/AL5teZd.png

                >which country are you from?
                Austria
                >i heard that deer were pests in england or something so you could shoot as many of them as you wanted
                I know they have big muntjac populations over in Ingerlund, which are basically midget versions of the already very small deer species we have in Europe; essentially big rats. I don't think the "shooting as many as you want" part applies anywhere in Europe, thoughever. I also don't think there's much meat left on those things when you whack them with a .308 or something.
                Think of hunting in Europe like hunting in the US but severely less comfy and infinitely more expensive.

                > I don't think the "shooting as many as you want" part applies anywhere in Europe
                idk about the mainland but in the UK there are no bag limits for deer, just seasons in which you may cull certain species of deer. Other poster is wrong though, you need the general licence and to wait for season for all deer including muntjac. Only pests like pigeons, squirrels and rats can be killed however and whenever you want.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Very interesting, Bongbro. What caliber do you shoot? Have you ever shot a muntjac? IIRC they also have fangs. Weird animals.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Go back to /int/

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sucks to be limited like that. Over here we pay $60 AUD for 12 months and can hunt Sambar and Fallow deer 365 days a year in state forests which are located all over the place with no bag limit. Some National Parks have a nominated season but most of them you can hunt year round too. If you can see them you can shoot ‘em. In my state at least.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like Japan, where they have exploding Sika deer populations but no natural predators and almost no hunters to speak of.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                They haven’t gone as far to declare deer as a pest species here though. Which is good because it would increase the number of aerial culls, and Sambar are hard enough to spot as it is that it provides a good challenge with the way things are at the moment. Funny how we have sort of cucked gun laws here but probably the best hunting conditions in the world for large deer, you can hunt year round and it hardly costs you anything

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                $40 for two or more deer worth of meat is a good deal. Even counting the money spent on a rifle and ammo every year.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think they buy tags?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >tagging your deer
                Shoot it on private land and process it yourself

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Also means you don’t have to worry about your inbred cousin stealing it in the off-season…

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Buy $300 used rifle from pawn shop
              >Sell it back for $70
              >Buy it again next season for another $300
              >Sell it back for another $70
              >Buy and sell it a 3rd time
              >Have spent $900-$210=$690 on a $300 rifle
              >Don't even own the rifle
              >Will buy it a 4th

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Don't question crackhead motives. If they keep it someones going to steal it and shoot them with it or use it in a crime.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >pay a premium for an inferior product
                >never even own that product
                You've just described communism.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Because they could buy the gun, shoot the deer, and get half their money back on the gun at the end of season. It's silly, but when you're dirt poor every dollar counts.

            Keep in mind these are the same people renting their tv from rent a center because it’s “more affordable”

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > that image
          Holy shit.
          TN has a $0.10 tax on every box of ammo? What the hell is wrong with the Volunteer State?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They used to but IIRC the Botkins and some republican had it removed.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Not anymore. They removed it a few years back right after I left the FFL business. Really, it was no big deal, .10c on a $10 box of ammo back then was basically irrelevant, but it provided the funding for the TN Wildlife Resource Agency, and removing the ammo tax has really fucked things up with them, their funding had to be restructured and prices on hunting licenses have gone up dramatically. On one hand, you no longer have the ammo tax which is great, but now if you wanna hunt you've gotta pay hundreds of dollars to do so legally (inb4 some pedant starts moaning about muh private property)

            https://i.imgur.com/A6HV4eR.jpg

            >Buy $300 used rifle from pawn shop
            >Sell it back for $70
            >Buy it again next season for another $300
            >Sell it back for another $70
            >Buy and sell it a 3rd time
            >Have spent $900-$210=$690 on a $300 rifle
            >Don't even own the rifle
            >Will buy it a 4th

            You've never been dirt poor to understand why it makes sense to them. Is it incredibly stupid? Yes, but sometimes it's the only way. Some customers would actually pawn the fucking rifles and pay monthly payments on it for a year, thus spending even more money on it.

            I have that exact rifle, Rem 783. I remember with rebates and credit card BS it was less than $300. Chambered in 30-06.
            The no-brand Chinese stock scope self destructed after 100 rounds. I replaced it with a cheap Tasco and put the replacement Remington sent on an air rifle.
            Bolt action is rough compared to Ruger American 243 my son shoots with. But it's very accurate and kills stuff, so it does its job. I can't complain. If I had to replace I'd buy another Ruger in 30-06 or 308.
            [...]
            This is exactly it. If getting a hunt license is complex, expensive, time consuming, and you're going to only buy 1 gun... you've already eliminated the crowd that would be OK packing a $300 rifle on a trip that required $10,000 and a year of your time invested. Your other hunting buddies would literally turn their noses up at you.
            [...]
            >when you're dirt poor every dollar counts
            This guy gets it. If you don't understand this mindset it just means you're not poor or haven't spent time around the poor and understand their thinking patterns.
            Count your blessings.

            Finally, someone who's lived the poor life who understands.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >You've never been dirt poor to understand why it makes sense to them.
              They might also be poor because they think those kind of financial arrangement make sense...

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                You simply do not understand what it's like to be poor. There is a point at which you are so poor, that saving money is not something you can achieve. That is the reality of poverty. This is why welfare exists. It's okay if you're not familiar with it, and I'm glad you've never had to suffer through it, but please don't talk down upon those who have.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Cope and seethe, poorfag.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                boomer tier

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'd rather be a boomer than poor.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                There's being poor and there's being a poor. All you're describing is someone who can't do basic math and likely has a meth addiction. You aren't describing poverty, you're describing being a white moron. Surviving poverty means minimalism and budgeting. Being a moron means spending $900 over 3 years to avail yourself of cheap game tags in some NE white moron filled shithole state and not even having a rifle at the end of the day to show for it. Probably a poacher and spotlight hunter and baiter to boot. People who live like that aren't capable members of society. You make chrischan look like a capable person.

                People live poor with inelastic demands of rent and alcoholism all over, never earning a dollar to escape it. Those people think you're a moron for buying loosies, having a payday loan eat 50% of your paycheck because 2 years ago you wanted another $600 now, taking a bath on the moronsmart idea of selling your gun after the season to have 50 whole more dollars in your pocket.

                That type of poor exists in their stupidity to make money for the worst kind of businesses. If Usury was banned they'd literally starve to death and it'd be a more noble condition.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >"you get what you pay for" is a maxim to go by.
        Diminishing returns completely rape that maxim.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Think of it as applying over a curve, near the extreme top and bottom theirs not a lot of difference, but comparing either end to a middle shows a lot of change..

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            There is not that much of a difference from a mid-tier rifle to a top-tier one. Only between a mid-top to bottom. There is just so much you can do to improve a platform.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Only thing Remington makes somewhat decently anymore is shotguns. Their other products are chinese-tier dogshit.
    >t. Only Shittington products I own are an 870 Wingmaster and a Tac-14

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    FN FAL
    >4 MOA .308
    >not actually very reliable
    P320
    >worse than a glock in literally every way
    5.56 AR15s with 10 inch barrels
    >when owned by civilians

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >idiocy
      >idiocy
      >milfagging
      Anon, this is a shitty guns thread, not a shitty opinions thread.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck was Remington thinking?
    They weren‘t. Many such cases. Sad!

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck was Remington thinking?
    "the dumb goyim will still buy it."

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    you forgot the best part OP

    the 770 and 887 were both the same idea - take a base model shitty gun and add plastic overmoulding to it. the 887s had the magical ability to *rust under the fucking plastic moulding*, because their regular 870 expresses would rust, and this just put plastic on top of it.

    they also had other epic features such as:
    >front fiber optic bead being lightly dovetailed on and flying off at first use
    >plastic being overly brittle
    >didn't work with existing 700/870 accessories due to moudling thickness
    >weighed more than regular versions because its really just a regular express underneath

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My dad had a 770.
    He bought it used in 7mm, he could shoot a 1 hole through a steel plate at 100 yards. Amazing accuracy for something he paid under 300 bucks Canadian for.
    I don't know if the last owner did some redneck gun smithing, but it had a hair trigger, to the point where if you turned off the safety with a round in the chamber it would fire.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but it had a hair trigger, to the point where if you turned off the safety with a round in the chamber it would fire
      That's not a hair trigger, that's a safety hazard, leaf.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but it had a hair trigger, to the point where if you turned off the safety with a round in the chamber it would fire.
      Known safety issue with the 700 design. Probably had some dirt in there which didn't allow the sear to fully engage IIRC and the safety makes the trigger go off for some reason because of that. There's a video explaining it but here's at least something: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/12/09/breaking-cnbc-alleges-remington-have-knowledge-of-trigger-defect-as-early-as-1989/

      IMO don't even close the bolt until you're ready to shoot.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    And yet for $400 I have a rifle that gets me 2 MOA and at least half that is my own inaccuracy.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't you spend a few hundred more for a quality product that isn't going to rust up and fall apart one day?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        1. Christmas gift from my parents and my first rifle.
        2. It's a 2006 model and hasn't rusted yet, so why would it start now?
        3. I bought a Rem 700 a couple years later and the 770 still outshoots it.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Remington 783 I bought at Cabela's 4 or 5 years ago around deer season for $350. It came with the standard shitty 3-9x40 scope and that was it. 7.5 lbs out of the box. The stock buttpad began to tear mere days after I bought it but Cabela's replaced it with a Limbsaver pad for free. I added a Leupold Vari-x 3, a sling, a bolt knob, and the ammo sleeve. Killed a couple deer with it. Good gun with those few upgrades.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The 783 was the best series of rifles for the average guy that Remington sold in decades. Good enough trigger. Bolt lift that isn't trash like a Savage. Barrel nut system so you can rebarrel/caliber change at home with a pre-fit. Cheaper as a package with base, rings, and crap scope than a stripped 700 SPS sporter.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I bought a Remington 700 SPS Tactical a few years ago from a friend who had bought it new but never fired it. I think i gave him $725 for it. Spent $800 on a scope + rail, $260 on a stock + removable box magazine, and added a bipod, flash hider, and sling. It's a tack driver.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >$725 for an SPS
          that man is not your friend

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They msrp at $800ish.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              did you get a 300 win mag?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                .308

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            To be fair, Remington did ultra fleece for the SPS Tactical line. Figure a SPS Sporter ADL was ~$400 or ~$500 for the stainless they upcharged to ~$800 for the thicker barrel profile and a Hogue stock.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The Hogue stock was the only downside. That's why it had to go. Remington puts all their effort into the rifle and then slaps a piece of shit stock on it so they can put it on a shelf. The more they charge for it, the more effort they put into making it, but the stock will still be basic at best.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, I thought it was just the plain SPS that you could buy for 680ish new, not the tactical.

                The Savage Axis 2 has a phenomenal trigger and if you do some work to stiffen the stock while keeping it free floating is easily a 0.5moa rifle.
                That one small caveat can't beat the $300 price you can sometimes find them for.

                Imma keep it real with you chief, theres 0 chance that a savage axis is gonna be a consistent .5 moa gun, and the action and mags will always be shit unfortunately. The Ruger American's stock is still a wet noodle but it's the way to go in that price range.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      I have that exact rifle, Rem 783. I remember with rebates and credit card BS it was less than $300. Chambered in 30-06.
      The no-brand Chinese stock scope self destructed after 100 rounds. I replaced it with a cheap Tasco and put the replacement Remington sent on an air rifle.
      Bolt action is rough compared to Ruger American 243 my son shoots with. But it's very accurate and kills stuff, so it does its job. I can't complain. If I had to replace I'd buy another Ruger in 30-06 or 308.

      I have generally noticed a trend of Euro vs American weapons and I think it really speaks to who the intended audiences are

      >European gun laws are deliberately expensive to cater to a specific type of pseudo nobility, up to and including the hunting laws that specifically benefited the old nobility and have crudely been grafted onto the modern populace in tone, if not word
      >thus euro guns tend to be borderline bespoke and very expensive, because if you're spending nearly $1k on a single hunting permit or something you may as well fleece them for a $3,000 rifle. At this point committing a crime with a legally obtained gun is about as absurd as Bill Gates breaking into your home at 3am to steal your TV--the rich have better ways to commit crimes than hold a liquor store at gunpoint.

      >American gun laws are extremely frontier-esque in comparison due to the vast amount of land and protected areas relative to the population, and thus guns are meant to be available to the most common economic denominator consequences be damned. Thus you have cheap $500 hunting and even tactical guns, but then also have people who ultimately commit crimes have easy access to them.

      Different strokes i suppose. But man I do feel bad for you guys. At least you make some really high end stuff though.

      This is exactly it. If getting a hunt license is complex, expensive, time consuming, and you're going to only buy 1 gun... you've already eliminated the crowd that would be OK packing a $300 rifle on a trip that required $10,000 and a year of your time invested. Your other hunting buddies would literally turn their noses up at you.

      Because they could buy the gun, shoot the deer, and get half their money back on the gun at the end of season. It's silly, but when you're dirt poor every dollar counts.

      >when you're dirt poor every dollar counts
      This guy gets it. If you don't understand this mindset it just means you're not poor or haven't spent time around the poor and understand their thinking patterns.
      Count your blessings.

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