Shitty satellite imagery of Belbek is out, looks like 2 planes and a warehouse got ganked.

Shitty satellite imagery of Belbek is out, looks like 2 planes and a warehouse got ganked.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Before

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are those Mig-31s?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Claimed to be yes. The original post said MiG-31K but they probably aren't. Don't think any Ks are based outside of Russia proper.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Crimea is Russia proper.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Good to know the Ukrainians can fire Western weapons into Russia proper then without Putin retaliating. RIP Belgorod, I guess.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Well, Crimea is Ukraine, but soon you'll still be correct

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Besides

              https://i.imgur.com/tT8SYfF.png

              Well, Crimea is Ukraine, but soon you'll still be correct

              , please consider pic relevant, it's how things wer ebefore Blinken made that statement..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        looks like it
        why would they launch mig-31s out of crimea tho? i thought they were taking off from Belarus or bases in Tatarstan

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Saves fuel costs obviously

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I doubt they're that short on fuel, already
            It makes more sense that they want to save on Mig-31 maintenance, imagine the hours on those airframes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          MiG-31s have been used pretty heavily for long range A2A. Just another basing option for them, close to the front and at the time it was at a base that was mostly safe from missile attacks.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >wiping out long range A2A killers
            So it is prep for the F16s

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            MiG-31 needs time to climb and accelerate though, basing them close to the front is moronic, especially when the only thing going for them is the standoff they've got.

            https://i.imgur.com/CfhC70h.png

            Before

            Well I'll be, they actually fricking had MiG-31s on the base, what the frick.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I suspect they are basing them closer to the front due to fuel concerns.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt it though, they have drop tanks etc. even if they were running out of avgas they'd still prioritize these things over anything else.

                How many mig 31s do they have left?

                Military Balance 2024 puts it at:
                9 MiG-31B/BS Foxhound; 21 MiG-31BM Foxhound C for Naval Aviation and 88 MiG-31BM Foxhound C for the VKS. 118 in total. Taking out airframes compounds problems though in that it puts further strain on the remaining airframes, the MiG-31's engines are also not particularly durable ones, so you do the math about knock on effects. I'm not including 31Ks, which are most likely not the ones struck, they would be based from afar, they're also a dedicated launcher platform, they literally do not have AA capability.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                MIG-31s have a laughably low service life. Something like 3500 hours. Considering they're a 30 years old at this point. We'll you do the math.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >3500 hours
                Christ, no wonder why they keep falling out of the sky.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They are part of the IADs for Stevastapol. SU-24s with Storm Shadow etc can hit the navy ships there from beyond S-300 standoff so they have interceptors to try and prevent that from happening.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Mig-31
        Yeah.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know people usually call the Phantom a flying brick but damn.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Either those planes were non-operational or the Russians are morons for always using the same bays.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the Russians are morons
        800+ days into this shitfest and you still haven't realized this?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is a word ryssiä in finnish ( Allso a prural for more than one ruskie but in the context of doing something).
        Ryssä=Ruskie
        Ryssiä= To do the ruskie (in lack of a better translation)
        That means to frick up something really bad.
        After watching this war i have no doubts why that word has come to be

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >In Finland we have this thing call…
          Pls no.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I know i know

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Too late!

            Benis

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is precedent with Kherson airport

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You haven't forgotten Chornobaivka have you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh they would love for everyone to forget.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chornobaivka_attacks

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't pout Ramesh. You've read the briefing so you know the Ukies are saying that "warehouse" was the building where they were storing the missiles. Might be true. Might not.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Might be true. Might not.
      But you believe it anyway, because you don’t care about the truth. Just what fits your narrative

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the irony

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No I believe it because it's hilarious

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure the planes next to them suffered no damage at all and are safe to fly.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We didn't need it anyway, those planes were just there as a feint, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They returned to Russia under their own power.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The sides are intact xaxaxaxaxa*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~))

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Basing one of your most valuable aviation assets in range of enemy SRBMs
    Don't do this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This guy is clearly of LGBT HATO, ignore this advice

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oy vey my cover is blown

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you are Russian, do do this. the enemy will run out of missiles very shortly. maximize your sortie rate and minimize their time to respond

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mark my words. They are going to beat the Kherson airport record.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why? There's no war, only a special military operation against a unpopular CIA-backed fascist junta...
      [THIS IS WHAT RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT POLICY ACTUALLY IS]

      looks like it
      why would they launch mig-31s out of crimea tho? i thought they were taking off from Belarus or bases in Tatarstan

      Again, why not? There's no war going.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You missed the last zigger metodichka, this is officially a war now and Russia has totally taken their gloves off this time and the Kiev regime is FINISHED very soon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine saying this as Kharkov is literally being evacuated lmfao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Two more weeks?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            giga fortress chasov yar wasn't taken, so maybe kharkiv will fall, now
            two weeks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Moron, literal captured ziggers said they were given orders to take Vovchansk in two days. More than two days have already passed. What does this say about the Puccian army?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Actually due to dialectics as teached to us by grandfathers in the glorious USSR, when you say its a war I say its a special military operation when you say its a special military operation I say its a war. Understand, comrade? Understood.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I understand everything, comrade, my ass was in the ass all along, and my eggs have been measured and have been found wanting.
            I'll report to the penal battalion myself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't worry about it

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Possibly a 3rd but hard to tell

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah looks fricked

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >blowing up our fighter jets? pathetic
    >you must be getting desperate if you're resorting to attacks on valuable military targets

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Everyday is another L for vatnigs and poojets like yourself. But don't worry though we still have more than enough war to go through.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Daily reminder that at current rate of losses, Ukraine will exterminate the entire male population of Russia before running out of men themselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >current rate of losses
      According to who? Oryx?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Please frick off back to twitter

        get in the truck Vanya, grandpa needs a new Lada

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Oryx
        Yes. His credibility survived 2 years of constant attacks by our enemies. There is still no statistically significant reason to doubt his numbers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        According to anyone applying high school math to the data published online by different sources (including the russians themselves such as obituaries of soldiers) about casualties and controlled land and backed up by visual evidence, and yes, here you can see it:

        https://twitter.com/osint_69/status/1791218305501471130

        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Among other credible (IE, non-russian) sources.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          frick i hate pathetic russian shills

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Please frick off back to twitter

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Hit infantry
    >Muh waste of ammo, the bullet was worth more than the russian who caught it
    >Hit ships
    >The navy is useless in this war anyway!
    >Hit land vehicle
    >We have one billion more golf carts
    >Hit planes
    >Doesn't matter!!!
    It's so tiring

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh waste of ammo, the bullet was worth more than the russian who caught it
      True. The least valuable Russian asset is their personnel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd like to hear the excuses when the kremlin explodes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        doesnt matter it exploded once already*~~)

        ?si=JmjOnSrJ--4j4jig

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Is of needing renovations anyway!"

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wasn't that the warehouse with the lubricants? no wonder vatniks are seething knowing that everyday life for mobiks will get a lot more abrasive now

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    those missiles are more expensive than aircraft

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We didn't need the aircraft
      >We will bankrupt the US by making them expend munitions
      bold as usual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Aircraft
      A single su27 is estimated around 30mil
      Even if you went with a very generous estimation of Atacms cost of 4mil each (it's much less) you still come out behind.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's even funnier cause these batches of ATACMS were gonna be decommissioned and sold as scrap. Instead they're annihilating S-400 batteries and soviet aircraft like God intended.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Obama deciding to unilaterally act against cluster munitions was a mistake. Should reactivate production regardless of a future Biden/Trump presidency given how fricking effective they are.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What they should do is pour some money into developing a more reliable fuse for cluster submunitions. The whole argument against them is based on the amount of UXO they leave behind. If you built a submunition with a timed self-destruct feature or even just cut the failure rate down from ~2% to >1%, cluster munitions would be a lot more politically viable.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They were working on that but the knee jerk reaction along with all the Russian+Chinese shills pushing "cluster munitions bad when the West uses them."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It had one unplanned benefit. Phasing out our pre-existing stockpile of ATACMS and MLRS rockets meant we had to build a lot more GMLRS and unitary-warhead ATACMS to replace our war reserves. Otherwise, we wouldn't have been able to scale out GMLRS production as quickly as we did post-February 2022 and we wouldn't have a bunch of old ATACMS that we are unable to use ourselves. It was complete blind luck, but the policy change seems to have paid off for unrelated reasons.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Crossing my fingers on M1156ification for tubes for how much that's like JDAMification.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >M1156 PGK
                >$13,541
                RIP everything within 40km

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Can the US stop fricking naming everything M1

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Would you rather GENERAL DYNAMICS LAND SYSTEMS ABRAMS BATTLE TANK SPONSORED BY MCDONALD'S AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WALMART?

                no? then frick off

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Would you prefer it to be M2024A1923E598BUVM(T)?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, let's call it the Type 1 Fuse (155mm) of 2004 which is distinctly different from the Type 1 Fuse (120mm) for mortars of which the 1972, 1998 and 2023 versions exist.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No.
                Deal with it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the M stands more Missile and boMblets

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Time to start naming everything after memes and sexual innuendos (honest current state of the military industry)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry mate. They can't count past 1

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this war has made me do a complete 180 on cluster munitions
            I used to subscribe to the idea that the cost of not using them was worth the benefits in reduced UXO but now that I've seen them in action I realise just how unbelievably wrong I was
            Nothing is worth compromising on that level of killing power, abandoning cluster munitions was utter madness
            A very good kind of madness to be sure, the kind of madness that results in fewer small children getting their limbs blown off by unexploded ordnance, but utter madness just the same.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Cluster munitions should have their fuses improved to increase reliability and should stay in service. For all the wrist winging types, larger submunitions/better deployment mechanism with more reliable fuses (larger meaning more space to work with) might be an acceptable compromise.

              >children being exploded
              CMs not exploding invaders means children being exploded during a defensive war.

              FRANKLY, the fact that any ATACMS got through at all isn’t a good look. These are short-range basic-b***h ballistic missiles and S-400 is supposed to be specialized for ABM. Did 10 ATACMS really saturate an S-400 battery? Was that airbase targeted specifically because US ELINT knew that their AD was degraded somehow? Because otherwise it really does look like a relative handful of low-performance ballistic missiles saturated Russia’s premier ABM system. I wonder if it’s a sign of how low-tech Russian CPUs are ie struggling to engage more than a few targets when there’s only a few minutes of reaction time. In fact if what I read is true that it only began tracking 2 minutes out I wonder why they couldn’t pick them up right after launch?

              >ATACMS is a maneuvering, not a ballistic missile

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ATACMS is definitely ballistic, certainly at max range. There would be no meaningful maneuvers in the terminal phase which is just a mass of steel and explosives falling out of the war.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Nothing is worth compromising on that level of killing power
              guided weapons

              Cluster munitions should have their fuses improved to increase reliability and should stay in service. For all the wrist winging types, larger submunitions/better deployment mechanism with more reliable fuses (larger meaning more space to work with) might be an acceptable compromise.

              >children being exploded
              CMs not exploding invaders means children being exploded during a defensive war.

              [...]
              >ATACMS is a maneuvering, not a ballistic missile

              >/better deployment mechanism with more reliable fuses
              guided weapons

              the solution to dumb cluster bombs was and is cheaper guided weapons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Any guidance system that can be mounted to a unitary warhead can also be mounted to a cluster warhead of the same size

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yes, but there's little reason to use a cluster warhead on a point target, like say a tank.
                and the general idea is that in future, we should be able to acquire mostly point targets.

                Cluster munitions are for anti-horde shit which is extremely applicable in Ukraine presently and likely extremely applicable if China decides to start shit. Unitary warheads are still unitary warheads.

                A mixture of guided, cluster and guided+cluster (ex: SFW) weapons in augmentation just makes sense.

                [...]
                Sure at max range but anything but max range allows it to do some trajectory shaping at boost and (pre-)terminal.

                >Cluster munitions are for anti-horde shit
                originally, they were simply a way to compensate for inaccuracy, and to bomb more efficiently
                if you can't guarantee the bomb will hit within a few feet of what you're aiming at, the only solution is to throw more. anyone who's ever played a 2d6 or d20 game knows this intuitively.
                one of the reasons to make bombs bigger is to give them bigger radius of effect. however, this is inefficient because of pi. the solution was to throw small bombs over wide areas.

                >A mixture of guided, cluster and guided+cluster (ex: SFW) weapons in augmentation just makes sense
                I can't think of a reason for unguided weapons in the future

                at the very least, future bombs should be IIR, MMW and maybe laser guided, if not GPS-guided.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I had a fairly lengthy reply typed up then I realized you ignored the meat wave shit from Russia and likely China. Pearls before swine.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >meat wave shit from Russia
                guided weapons are doing most of the good work in Ukraine, idiot
                be it FPVs or ATACMS

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ATACMS is a cluster munition

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                come now, that is reductio ad absurdum
                at that rate, a grenade will also be a "cluster munition"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, ATACMS missiles deploy 900 DPICM submunitions as their primary method of attack, they are the very definition of a cluster munition

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the US uses unitary warhead variants because of the stupid Cluster Munitions treaty / ban / whatever

                however, the original comment was about Ukraine, and supposedly they are using the cluster variant of ATACMS, so yeah okay

                but in my defence, Ukraine is operating under restrictive conditions which favour cluster munitions. ordinarily NATO wouldn't be in such a state.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >900
                Depends on the variant

                the US uses unitary warhead variants because of the stupid Cluster Munitions treaty / ban / whatever

                however, the original comment was about Ukraine, and supposedly they are using the cluster variant of ATACMS, so yeah okay

                but in my defence, Ukraine is operating under restrictive conditions which favour cluster munitions. ordinarily NATO wouldn't be in such a state.

                No the US uses unitary because Obama is a moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cluster munitions are for anti-horde shit which is extremely applicable in Ukraine presently and likely extremely applicable if China decides to start shit. Unitary warheads are still unitary warheads.

                A mixture of guided, cluster and guided+cluster (ex: SFW) weapons in augmentation just makes sense.

                ATACMS is definitely ballistic, certainly at max range. There would be no meaningful maneuvers in the terminal phase which is just a mass of steel and explosives falling out of the war.

                Sure at max range but anything but max range allows it to do some trajectory shaping at boost and (pre-)terminal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              can we have atacms full of bonus-like submunitions? to have fewer hits on the tarmac but much more hits on the planes
              how many bonus submunitions would fit in an atacms?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There was a cancelled variant of the ATACMS with a range of 145km called the Block II that carried 13 BAT (Brilliant Anti-Tank) submunitions.

                https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2000-08-31-Lockheed-Martins-ATACMS-Block-II-Missile-Successfully-Completes-Developmental-Flight-Test
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Anti-Tank

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I want that, but carrying 13 independently-targeting smart-swarm-capable JAGMs

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's going to be modded Switchblade 600s in a swarm network if you check the powerpoints.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What they should do is pour some money into developing a more reliable fuse for cluster submunitions. The whole argument against them is based on the amount of UXO they leave behind. If you built a submunition with a timed self-destruct feature or even just cut the failure rate down from ~2% to >1%, cluster munitions would be a lot more politically viable.

            this war has made me do a complete 180 on cluster munitions
            I used to subscribe to the idea that the cost of not using them was worth the benefits in reduced UXO but now that I've seen them in action I realise just how unbelievably wrong I was
            Nothing is worth compromising on that level of killing power, abandoning cluster munitions was utter madness
            A very good kind of madness to be sure, the kind of madness that results in fewer small children getting their limbs blown off by unexploded ordnance, but utter madness just the same.

            real issue with clusters for us is that in pretty much all cases they'll be launched at targets in foreign soil. Way more diplomatic bullshit to wade through and each kid blown up by some UXO 50 years down the line becomes an international problem.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey, the SU27 is much cheaper than 30 million. It's only 30 million because of the Putin Tax...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The s400 battery that got ganked costs like 10x what the planes and ATACMS cost combined though

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    tell me, how much do they pay you to shill? is it as much as you'd get in the SMO? cause I hear it's a pretty sweet deal. after all, Russia is winning so you totally won't get blown to smithereens in 4k for our amusement

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate to say it but they look like decoys tbh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      russian runway decoys are made of painted lines on the tarmac

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    3 jets

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the one next to big smudge is probably damaged too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/VzTfwnW.jpeg

      High res Maxar imagery just dropped.
      2x destroyed Mig-31's, probably Mig-31K's

      https://i.imgur.com/xfahOxv.jpeg

      1x damaged Mig-31(K)

      https://i.imgur.com/44k7PWW.jpeg

      1x destroyed Su-27

      https://i.imgur.com/pffV1vq.jpeg

      Bonus destroyed fuel site

      ffs, they really should fricking permit Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia with whatever the frick they give them. VKS would then repeat the same fate as of the Russian Black Sea naval fleet.
      >inb4 they would just move things deeper inside Russia
      yes, but now they won't be able to spam gliding bombs on Ukrainians due to the fuel requirements alone for the extended trips; CAP would be minimal, response time would be a lot slower, and they would still lose a lot of air frames before adapting. thus, Ukrainian air force would also start to shine better under such conditions.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You could have at least gone
    >bragging about blowing up decoys
    It'd be a lot more authentic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russians do not believe in decoys, when videos appeared of czech decoys being supplied to Ukraine pro-Russians said it was proof Ukraine was out of tanks

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yesterday I made a thread about the Mig 31 fricking the frick out of Ukraine and they never replied on topic, desperately coping about that insignificant little strike instead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure you did, buddy.

      [...]

      >Russia isn't exactly advancing under waves of aircraft
      Except the MiG-31s are the core of their long range air defense and primary delivery vehicle for Kinzhals. The less of these around means less pressure on the Ukrainian air force.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but lobbing missiles at playgrounds doesn't make their forces advance like a NATO military would be using them for. If Russia was able to use their aircraft for their intended purposes we'd be seeing Russia advance 100's of KM a day. Instead it is how it is and they advance 1km every two weeks at a few thousand lives.

        [...]
        >what's the point of blowing up an enemy airfield
        You okay, moron?

        Re-read what I said. Slowly this time. There are key parts to my post which you seem to have either missed, ignored or did not understand. That's fine, I know how difficult it must be even to type a reply to me with your condition.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As I said before, the MiG-31s aren't just for Kinzhal lobbing, they also play a large role in suppressing UAF activity. If not for their presence, the UAF could certainly take on a more active role supporting the frontlines like performing tactical air support or intercepting Russian fighter-bombers, especially when Russia is showing an increasing reliance on glide bombs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All that text and you still can't understand why an airfield is a valid military target.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many mig 31s do they have left?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There isn't a hard, certain number, but there's estimates that were around 100 in service prewar.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >what's the point of blowing up an enemy airfield
    You okay, moron?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    only 10 can carry Kinzhals

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There plenty of jets besides those that can....
      >Checks
      >Hmmmm....
      They could, um..Uh.....Huh.

      Nork Kimzal is slightly larger so they could rent what they use? Surely Ukraine can't shoot down a Il-28....

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I love concern trolls like this cause they're easy to answer
    Let's assume Russia had no air force at all and didn't believe in using AA weapons. Would that give Ukraine a decisive advantage if their planes could operate without opposition?
    And if so, why wouldn't they work on getting closer to that situation?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what an absolutely abhorrent post. the guy you're replying to is moronic but to have to use the delusional fantasy world scenario to defend your point is fricking awful.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's a strange way to frame a hypothetical scenario. Do go on and keep embarrassing yourself.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          did you not read my post or something? you made a stupid moronic hypothetical which basically asked for an entire foundation of the russian army to be taken out of the equation for you to win an argument with a moron.

          if you don't understand how that makes you yes YOU the bigger moron i dunno what to say.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    MiG-31s are out of production and all Russia can do now is refurbish retired airframes, so the ones that get destroyed are pretty much irreplaceable.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    is going to break Russia into giving up because they can trick people from abroad or kidnap foreigners
    >Nothing is going to break Russia into giving up because desperate measures you don't usually see unless a country is in a really shitty situation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unless the West starts paying Central Asian countries, South Asian countries and South American countries money or setting up PR campaigns not to believe Russia's bullshit, then they will constantly get gullible idiots who either turn up for 'big money' from the army or turn up to do 'good work' and then oopsie you don't have a valid VISA that's a 5 year prison sentence OR a six month stint in the army 🙂

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Unless the West starts paying Central Asian countries
        But enough about 81 Kazakh jets

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >They will continue to send thousands of men and vehicles to their deaths.
    considering Russians also lob their gliders against Ukrainian defensive fortifications, those thousands of men will have an even harder time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you mean glide bombs, they're not being used by MiG-31's. They're being dropped by other aircraft. It is ultimately irrelevant because the means of funding the war are still intact in Russia. Yes, some have been hit, but they need to be hit regularly and consistently. Russia will just up the wage to get workers back or threaten them or their families and shit will continue. Can't continue if it's broken. All irrelevant, as air frames are not deciding the direction of the war. Russia's vehicle and infinite supply of foreign people to trick into fighting is and that can't work if you either destroy the places make the vehicles or the places where you make money to pay for the vehicles (and people).

      At this point, unless USA has specifically told Ukraine it cannot use munitions against Russia proper then I see no reason why you cannot use missiles against Russian infrastructure inside Russia. The loss of three MiG-31's is not going to dramatically change the situation. Even if the entire Russian air force was gone, they have enough AA systems to cause even Block 70/72 F-16's trouble (which weren't given) and even the drunkest AA operator needs to get lucky only once.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The loss of three MiG-31's is not going to dramatically change the situation
        No, but the loss of 3 Mig-31s every few days adds up, especially when the Russians only have 100 and they're practically irreplaceable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Even if the entire Russian air force was gone, they have enough AA systems to cause even Block 70/72 F-16's trouble (which weren't given) and even the drunkest AA operator needs to get lucky only once.
        So you've just been living under the rock as literally every type of Russian ground based AA from Pantsirs to S-400s have been getting destroyed in droves? MiG-31s are pretty much their only air defense asset they don't have to worry about getting S/DEADed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >All irrelevant, as air frames are not deciding the direction of the war.
        bruh

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >SEAD/DEAD
        >Unknown technology!

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    See, I considered ending my hypothetical by saying "and if you don't agree that taking out planes is helpful, you prove that you're concern trolling", but I figured I'd let you destroy your own argument
    By the way, you could make your same argument for all equipment. Oh they're attacking with mass golf carts, so why take out any of them, since every single loss on its own won't make a difference?
    No more (you)s, your shift must be just about over anyway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I accept your concession and grateful you admitted your point on 'dude just like dude.. imagine like, like imagine - get this dude - that Russia you know, like haha didn't BELIEVE haha in AA systems haha' was fricking moronic. Pop along to another thread to bring other fantasy scenarios to conversations. I too await a glorious thread of
      >Imagine if Ukraine had a Bolos tank xDD
      or
      >Imagine if none of the Russian soldiers had legs XDD
      It'll be riveting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Every single non-vatBlack person poster on /k/ is graciously accepting your concession that you're dishonest vatBlack person fricktard with no valid argument and that your attempts to pretend that the loss of russian equipment is "meaningless" and not simply another step towards the total military defeat of Russia is nothing but terminal levels of impotent coping and seething on your part.

        There is no way to get out of this, no way to relieve the shame you have put on yourself. Consider a rope.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >things are blowing up in kharkiv so the offensiev is winnig
    Things are also blowing up everywhere from Belgorod to the Urals

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The loss of aircraft does not negatively affect the situation.
    Yes, don't you know, losing very limited, irreplaceable and strategically important equipment is completely meaningless and doesn't do anything.

    LMAO, cope harder.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No sirs you don't understand
      I am once again imploring you to stop these foolish attacks
      They don't do anything because Russia is too strong so PLEASE STOP

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Poojeets are really out in full force recently. Surely Russia has completely captured vovchansk by now right? That city with a 17k population that is THREE miles from
    Russias border. There’s no way it’s not fully captured after a week right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When Ukraine's premier-doomer Butusov says ziggers are having trouble then you know it's bad for them kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao two days expected to capture a village 5km from the border and they can’t even do that. Grim.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its a two day special operation

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of jet it is?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Was* felon

      It came to me in a dream

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > Only way to meaningfully affect this war is to hit the shit that makes the money that keeps it going.
    You mean stuff like oil refineries? Would be useful for Ukraine if they targeted those yeah.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >da cumrag i am kate of kharkiv, this is why the west has fallen

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I remember satellite picture from Butcha, where toy can see bodies and elements of clothes, even boots and bloody pack of sigarets on the ground. Where is this now? Why quality of image so shitty, that you can see nothing but some black dots?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I remember satellite picture from Butcha, where toy can see bodies and elements of clothes
      You mean these ones? The whole point of them was that you could see black splotches against a lighter background in the same spots where drone and body cam footage could see bodies. They weren't nearly as high res as you seem to remember

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, you are right, imagination is powerful thing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/MMIWUyV.jpeg

      >I remember satellite picture from Butcha, where toy can see bodies and elements of clothes
      You mean these ones? The whole point of them was that you could see black splotches against a lighter background in the same spots where drone and body cam footage could see bodies. They weren't nearly as high res as you seem to remember

      Its insane that ziggers managed to semi-successfully memory-hole Bucha and the destruction of Mariupol.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    High res Maxar imagery just dropped.
    2x destroyed Mig-31's, probably Mig-31K's

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1x damaged Mig-31(K)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It will buff out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        1x destroyed Su-27

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like a Mig-29 not a Mig-31. Front looks scorched, probably took a direct hit from an M74 sub munition.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >damaged
        Yeah, uh... that bird's fricked. Like, proper fricked. You may be able to scavenge some good spare parts out of that, but it's never gonna fly again.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's a total loss. The front is gone and there's a hole in the back. That much damage there's no chance any parts are undamaged.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the front is gone

            Is it supposed to do that?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed with

        Looks like a Mig-29 not a Mig-31. Front looks scorched, probably took a direct hit from an M74 sub munition.

        , engine separation suggests it's a MiG-29/35, I'd measure the wingsweep to be sure but the engines look definitive enough for me to call it.

        https://i.imgur.com/VzTfwnW.jpeg

        High res Maxar imagery just dropped.
        2x destroyed Mig-31's, probably Mig-31K's

        Defo MiG-31s though, unlikely to be Ks, I doubt they'd sling Khinzhals from here and Ks don't have air-to-air capabilities, which would make such frontline basing risky. More likely BMs.

        https://i.imgur.com/pffV1vq.jpeg

        Bonus destroyed fuel site

        More significant of a target than one might think. Depends on what other fuel storage they've got, but if this was it then the airfield is knocked out for quite some time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >wings shaped like a swallow tail
        that's a mig -29

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Engine spacing and fuselage shape is far more telling, the planforms of the MiG-29 and 31 are broadly similar

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you know, that one Russian military blogger actually raises a very good point
        Why the actual frick are the Russians, some 700 days into their full scale invasion of Ukraine, STILL not building bunkers and hangers for their valuable air assets?
        Even if you thought you were completely out of range why would you not, given the fundamentally dynamic nature of warfare, build them anyway - just in case
        I think I might actually be approaching the limit for how much moronation I can stomach

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The one who shovels the dirt becomes the wing's b***h.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Ivan, my tovarich, you are air base commander and it's time for you to make choice:
          >do you either use allocated funds to build defenses for precious air assets
          >or do you buy golden toilet for dacha?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Again, there is no war. Why would they build anything if there's no war?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/xfahOxv.jpeg

      1x damaged Mig-31(K)

      How can you tell if they're MiG-31Ks as opposed to MiG-31BMs?

      Also, lol, you can see the painted on MiG-31 decoy in the top right of the first pic that isn't even scratched.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pulled it out my ass, though I don't think there have been any reported Khinzal launches from Crimea so yeah more likely another variant.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >MiG-31 decoy
        To be fair, it looks like there're some subminition impacts nearby, so if it was a real jet it would probably look like the other two.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the painted on MiG-31 decoy in the top right
        LMAO I WAS FRICKING JOKING

        russian runway decoys are made of painted lines on the tarmac

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It’s even funnier since people found out because they landed a chopper on one.
          https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-helicopters-land-fake-fighter-jets-undermining-decoy-tactic-ukraine-2024-4?amp

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bonus destroyed fuel site

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How significant was this strike, now that the dust has settled? I'm sorta clueless as to how much airpower Russia has left, especially in Crimea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Although it was a greatly effective strike it serves as a deterrence. Russia in its moronation will still continue to use Crimea but taking out the s400 radar opens up somewhere else that will have to divert to protect the airfield again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The loss* of the S-400 battery (some TELs survived, but the 92N6 makes them useless) is pretty significant as it opens up the area to more strikes. The MiGs and the Su are just additional attrition of the VKS, which will now also suffer more from attrition. Loss of local aircover might allow the Ukrainian air force to operate closer to the frontlines in this area but I doubt it'll make things that much easier as the Russians might just have their CAP flights operate out of Russia proper. They are losing an airfield near the frontlines though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ah yeah I forgot, the * is because it isn't a total loss of the battery and they may also be able to hook up the system to a S-300 radar set so IDK what the true loss of capability there is

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I imagine they will move more ships out of Stevastapol now that a number of interceptors were knocked out as well as the overwatching SAM battery, it's storm shadow bait now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They seem to be softening Russian AD and aircraft in preparation for the F-16s.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a super duper huge deal by itself, but the Russians' air defenses will be a little more stretched which means the Ukrainians will have an ever-so-slightly easier job next time. The great thing about SEAD/DEAD is that it's compounding. If you destroy or suppress an enemy system, it makes all their other systems more vulnerable.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this from the first strike or the second strike?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Second. First targeted the S-400 battery

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't want to make a thread about it but does anyone know about an alleged attack on Novorossiysk

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Novorossiysk
      There's three or four treads on it now.

      More interesting is a report in the last few hours of a major explosion in St. Pidorsburg, supposedly a military academy. Trying to find more info on that right now.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    silently exploding... eternal ground....

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those planes are damaged not destroyed. Doesn't count.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Two halves of a plane left, just weld them together.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >both were hit in the same way blasting off the wienerpit
      Wow

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FRANKLY, the fact that any ATACMS got through at all isn’t a good look. These are short-range basic-b***h ballistic missiles and S-400 is supposed to be specialized for ABM. Did 10 ATACMS really saturate an S-400 battery? Was that airbase targeted specifically because US ELINT knew that their AD was degraded somehow? Because otherwise it really does look like a relative handful of low-performance ballistic missiles saturated Russia’s premier ABM system. I wonder if it’s a sign of how low-tech Russian CPUs are ie struggling to engage more than a few targets when there’s only a few minutes of reaction time. In fact if what I read is true that it only began tracking 2 minutes out I wonder why they couldn’t pick them up right after launch?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Considering the state of Russian ballistic missilelaunch detection satellites, I say they are still stuck in the 1980's. The Russian journalist who exposed that they don't have enough functional detection satellites anymore got jailed.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Belbek
    Sound too much like baalbek in Lebanon.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want an ATACMS payload missile to deliver multiple guided glide bombs like mini-MIRVs, with each guided bomb capable of finding its own target with a multi-modal sensor package, and equipped with a choice of shaped charge, blast frag, bunker-buster or electronic decoy payloads

    is that too much to ask?

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what role do the planes from kazakhstan play in this? was it to deny russia from getting spare parts?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most likely. Kazakhstan is the only other Soviet successor state to use them besides Russia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its so strange that a self proclaimed super power cant even produce spare parts for vehicles that are still in active use.I get the impression that nobody knows anything in russia.

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