Why are they taking it so long to put in service?
The J-20 already has 200+ units in service, why Shenyang still doing tests with the J-35 despite them having "misteriously acquired" F-35 data
Is it because it's a carrier born fighter? Is it more dificult to make it?
Isn't it J-31, not J-35?
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J-31 is the CTOL variant. J-35 is the CATOBAR variant. Yes they are basically the same plane otherwise.
FC-31 is by a private company and a prototype that is being made into a few J planes.
The J-31 is the regular base version and J-35 is the naval one.
It's not taking that long, look at the F-35, J-20, and F-22 development timelines. It's running about par for 5th gen. Yeah, they stole all the F-35 data, but they still need to engineer their own stuff, make it fit their new carriers, and figure out the materials.
Last I heard they were switching from baked in lower maintenance stealth like the F-35 to coatings like the F-22. However, it sounded like this might be for only the ground versions, with the carrier version not doing coatings due to maintainance issues.
This is likely to be their big export model. Part of the hold up is likely the data link and sensors. It and the J-20 have ETOS and all sorts of advanced targeting stuff but the software to make them work well is no small feat and making it work with export customers, Pakistan, etc. will be tough.
Honestly, still a big deal because all expectations are that the J-20, and J-31 will have a significant advantage over Taiwan's F-16s and F-CK-1s, which are only being slowly upgraded.
Because it's a private project with inferior engines and China doesn't has the budget for 2 stealth fighters right now. The J-20 (includes new WS-10, the WS-15, avionics, RAM, PL-15) is a huge jump for China and it's really expensive even for US standards.
>still using Klimov designs
Why not just take the WS-10, it's a proven concept already.
The WS-10 is fairly bigger than the WS-13/RD-93 (1500 kg vs 1000-1100 kg of weight).
Sorry for the spoonfeed, but what about the WS-15? Is it the same size/weight?
WS-15 isn't even finished (definitive engine for the J-20) and it's roughly the same engine weight class as the WS-10.
Seems counter-productive to build an aircraft which you can't even fit your own engines into it.
Unless they're somehow planning to make a brand new one for it's size.
The WS-13 is a chinese copy of the RD-93.
The WS-9 a copy of the Sprey is of the same class.
WS-9 was used on the JH-7, no?
Makes sense i guess, but still weird seeing them pretty much using older designs when they already have something more modern.
They don't have WS-15 yet. Yes they can build an example and take a plane up in the air with it. That doesn't mean they've figured out long term sustainment. You have to be able to make lots of turbofans at acceptable quality. Lots of Chinese engines have fewer flight hours between deep maintenance than their Russian equivalents historically. Having a good design is only one step.
>They don't have WS-15 yet
It's already in serial production this march
That's not proof. Just more words, words, words from the CCP. May I see the actual WS-15? Then, may I see it installed in a J-20? If it's in serial production, show me 10 units in the factor assembled and ready to install in the J-20. Until then, keep your bullshit long-winded, zero proof, CCP external propaganda on Weibo, Ling Wei.
You said the same exact cope with the ws-10 years ago, guess you had to move onto the ws-15 in wilfull denial of reality.
China isn't magically incapable of understanding the laws of physics and engineering tasks, that's your own denial not wanting to admit the sheer progress they have made.
Be honest and tell me if you thought just a decade ago, that they wouldn't have been able to field hundreds of stealth airframes, potentially thousands by the next decade? Boomers like you stuck in the past will never learn except through the hard way when it's too late
Just fucking post pics of what he's asking for then if you wanna BTFO his ass rather than blowing air up your own asshole so much your intestines start to distent
The information is already out there, I do not have to post anything just because you demanded. It's not my duty to spoonfed ignorant cretins operating on bad faith.
Source links were provided, it is not hard to follow the trail from there.
Holy shit is this the Chinese quantum jets we've been warned about this entire time?
Both simultaneously existing and not existing since there's no pictures?
Something something teapot in space
I'm an automotive engineer, so I know quite much about serial production and I searched the net for proofs of one regarding the ws 15.
My conclusion: maybe they think they are ready for it but ATM they build 3 engines a year currently.
Tldr: serial production my ass
China can't produce anything without western help. That's because of the system. Independent thoughts are frowned upon. How will you have innovation in such a system? Ccp is china's biggest weakness. Imagine how strong they would be with western checks and balance.
Spoken like a brainwashed retard. This "China can't innovate" is just propaganda for dumb pleb like you.
China can make their domestic engine just fine
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Post the pic, gay. Why would the Chinese refuse to post evidence about their supposed accomplishments?
why are you double spacing your posts?
Is it so that you marker has room to write comments and critique?
Words, words, words. Just like a good little chinsect WuMao licking the peanut sized nuts of the CCP. So, since you got all your talking out of the way, you should really post what I asked.
>They don't have WS-15 yet.
you're about 6 months late.
May we see it?
Reading this word made me have a fight or flight response.
No more counterproductive than building the F-14A with weaker engines with intention to upgrade later. In the end the F-14D engines can't be used in the F-14A. They are playing catchup and it's worth making something substandard if you're nonetheless going to produce the better plane later at scale. You don't get something good quickly but you do get something good faster if you're willing to give the whole system (design, industry, testing, operational units) a runthrough regardless.
It's for the carrier. For Air Force the J-20 and J-10 fit doctrine better.
Atm the blocker is emals, once the emals design and spec is well and truly locked in the J-31/35/XX whatever will be in mass production.
>inferior engines and China doesn't has the budget for 2 stealth fighters right now.
Define "inferior", it's engines aren't as powerful as the J-20's but it's smaller and therefore better suited to carrier ops.
J-31/35/XX budget is entirely private. Take a look at the MiG-29K to see how this kind of project is developed.
>Saudi already ordered a production line
As real as the Su-75 Checkmate.
J-31 is the land variant, CTOL.
J-35 is carrier variant.
They want to have a production line for the J-35 first via a government order when the new carrier is finished.
Then they'll be able to export the J-31 with the benefits of mass-production/economies of scale.
There's no real rush as there is no country ready to buy right now.
Countries right now would either go for established 4.5th gens (Rafale, Typhoon, F-16) or are close enough to America to buy the F-35/F-15.
Inferior compared to alternatives that China has today. The RD-93 are problematic engines, too unreliable and Russian (political problem). That's why I call them "inferior", the WS-10/WS-15 are clearly superior.
China is changing those for their own local equivalent/copy, the WS-13. AFAIK China reliability requirements are 3000-4000 hours, similar to the late RD-33 and best AL-41/31, fairly better than other russian engines. That's closer to the west (+5000-6000 hours) than the RD-93 (~2000) that is simply bad. They intend replace the RD-93 in the JF-17 for the WS-13 too.
Besides that it seems that China intend to upgrade the J-31/35 with the fairly more powerful WS-19. IDK if the WS-19 is of the same weight class tho.
Define the timeline.
Define your ideal timeline.
Explain why we should care about your opinion.
You wont, because you dont care and just get foodstamps for spamming the same seethe and cope thread about China politics on blue reddit over and over again.
It's been in development for the same time as the J-20, yet the J-20 is in service and there's already upgraded variants flying.
It was FC-31 no? Then they changed to J-35.
But even with all the data they got from the F-35, they should've been able to put in service from all this time developing it, no?
>Then they changed to J-35
J35 is the carrier variant.
Wasn't the J-35 to be carrier born from it's inception?
There will be export variants in the future.
Saudi already ordered a production line
>Saudi already ordered a production line
Didn't they already had a production line for other western jets?
>all the data they got from the F-35
If you think they look alike the you are a brainlet. A small difference means very difference aerodynamics for aircraft.
Yeah yeah yeah, because data is ONLY relevant in aerodynamic shaping and not things like data links, radars, IRSTs, stealth coating, engines, avionics, electronics and all that other shit, definitely. Come the fuck on Chang, the J-31/35 (and wow they ain't even trying to hide it anymore are they with that desig) was a copy with stolen designs that they then decided to modify to fit their needs better. Just as China has done since the 1950s. Get better denials.
>But even with all the data they got from the F-35
Having data is one thing, having the capability to act on that data is quite another
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when your military is mainly focuses on domestic population control your retarded pipedream nextgen fighters take a back seat
Pretty sure they have enough engineers to be put to work on extra projects tbh.
Despite their population decreasing, it's still nowhere near as bad as other asian cunts, actually i think it's overblown by propagandists from both sides.
J-35? More like J-extreme shit
Chang doesn't understand that even if you can steal McDonald's BigMac recipe you still need the tools (of which many are proprietary and are also trade secrets) to make said BigMac.
tl;dr Chang doesn't have the pots and pans to make an F35 copy.
In theory the entire industry around the F35 is a lot more advanced and more important than the F35 itself. Thus the entire Chinese fifth-gen lineup is vaporware.
Lol retard. The jet wouldn't fly if the Chinese haven't build all the supply chain behind it
Yeah, I can show you the list of the entire LHM F35 supply chain (more or less).
Can you point in the room where these Chinese supply chains are at?
Or do you actually think that if a bare-bone prototype exist that must mean an entire supply chain must also exist? Tell me you're stupid without telling me you're stupid.
Low IQ take. Even Russian can get a SU-57 prototype to fly, yet they are entirely incapable of mass producing even less advanced aircraft.
Why do you think that is?
you're a fucking moron
Are you going to actually refute him, or just continue using ad hominem?
Hapanda, we know it's you stop pretending
Still, takes a lot of balls to do a "hail mary" like this and actually manage to land a govt contract.
Usually it doesn't end well.
China's equipment is pure vapoware. Remind me on why the chinks haven't built a decent copy of the f-22/35? Maybe because they have no knowledge in how to make it and the tech needed for it? Thats what chinks get for basing their entire manufacturing process on assembly and western oversight. Without it, they are nothing.
Hey hey hey lets not get hasty,
Russia fucking died we need some sort of paper tiger to prop up to justfy defense spending and research and GWOT stopped cutting it in 2017.
We were trying to hype the russian up in the recent COD games but then they proved they were a joke so atleast give us the chinese.
J-20 was government funded.
FC-31 is Shenyang themselves doing it.
Which is interesting, because usually no manufacturer would dare make a 5th gen jet by themselves.
Lmao no. It was a corporate project. Has been government funded for several years now. The J-31 prototypes since then look very different from the private venture prototypes.
I fucking hate that the chinks turned FC-31 into J-35 just to copy F-35. Why not keep the nomenclature at J-31 when the state adopts it and fund it? Why straight up rename to J-35 before the fucking prototype has been finalised ? FC-31 looks much cooler than the fattened up J-35
AFAIK the "FC" name is often used for exports.
Its taken longer because it's 15 more advanced.
Subhuman chinksect planes are a joke.
>The J-20 already has 200+ units in service
May we see them?
Really depends on the source, America says they have around 100+, Aussies says they have at lest 200.
>Aussies says they have at lest 200.
They are talking it up nig because they want people to pay attention and give them equipment (can't say I blame them).
I'd trust the burger numbers here. They usually shoot pretty straight (with a little over exaggerate to get dem pentagon bucks)
And those are 2021-22 numbers, since they're shitting out those by the bulk is probably already past 200, specially since they started producing the J-20B after finally finalizing the WS-15.
>(with a little over exaggerate to get dem pentagon bucks)
That's everyone. Remember when the Pentagon was "shitting themselves" over the Su-57 and Armata? Or everytime some 5 start general says "we're losing against China".
Gotta get their Lockmart/Raytheon bonus.
>take 3 years to build 100
>next year do 100+
Isn't the J-20 bering produced since 2010's?
They said they started full production in 2019. If you want to go all the way back to prototype development that just makes my point all the stronger.
Why are you making this a competition? Just made you a simple question, relax faglord.
Take your own advice, it wasn't a "competition" or attack.
>based entirely off registry markings of a couple of planes
Oh yeah, entirely trustworthy, militaries have never ever fucked with this shit before to seem more powerful
>May we see them?
May I see the f35 you have in service?
Sure, take a look at lockmart's SEC filings or just go look at facebook