Serious question. Why does Ukraine need lots of jets? According to the leaks. Russians have a shitload of SAMs.

Serious question. Why does Ukraine need lots of jets?
According to the leaks. Russians have a shitload of SAMs. Ukraine has much less, but Russians are still scared to fly their planes.
What are Ukrainians going to do with the jets that they can't already do with HIMARS, drones, cruise missiles?
>they can't fly into Russian territory because of all the SAMs
>they aren't going to fight Russian jets because there aren't any flying
You don't hear any news stories about Ukrainian jets doing anything. Everything is about drones and long range missiles. They are scared to fly their jets. How will having more jets going to fix it?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does Ukraine need lots of jets?
    To fight Russia, duh

  2. 10 months ago
    Cohort

    F-16 SEAD missions followed by F-16 CAS.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shoot down incoming missiles and launch long range air-to-ground missiles.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    NATO armies are heavily focused on air force
    They have big stockpiles of air launched PGMs
    Giving Ukraine western jets will enable them to partake and fire natively integrated vast stockpiles of western weapons
    Clear?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No more Black person rigging jdams to Soviet aircraft.
      ARM
      A2A
      Glide bombs
      Cruise missiles
      All launched as they were designed to be

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No more Black person rigging jdams to Soviet aircraft
        It's kind of cool t.b.h. it's space ork tier.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need a large number of jets to launch ground missiles.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You need lots of jets to launch air launch missiles though. Those are the kind NATO produces hand over fist

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. F-16s can bait out SAM launches and then another F16 can smash it with a HARM. Slowly degrading Russian air defenses. Russia has a lot of SAMs, but they're also a huge country witha lot of ground to cover, have lost a lot of systems, and will have difficulty replacing them due to sanctions. Russian manpads are not great, so if they lost a bunch of radar units for their missile trucks, it will not be great for them.

    2. F-16 can use long range air to air missiles which can be used to take down the Russian planes launching glide bombs

    3. F-16s can assist with shooting down cruise missiles, drones, and other Russian ape out attacks.

    4. F16 can, in certain circumstances, launch their own glide bombs and missiles without endangering themselves from Russian SAMs

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ok

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3. F-16s can assist with shooting down cruise missiles

      >Russians have a shitload of SAMs. Ukraine has much less, but Russians are still scared to fly their planes.
      It's worth considering that as a large post Soviet State, "much less" SAMs means absurd numbers of them compared to NATO countries. Ukraine started the war with 100 batteries of S-300. And it turns out that uncontested bombing of hospitals in Syria did not teach the Russian Airforce how to fight in airspace protected by hundreds of long range SAM launchers.

      The issue is that Ukraine's long range Soviey SAMs are running low on ammo. NATO countries are trying to compensate by transferring some rather excellent SAM systems (see Patriot mogging Kinzhal), but the issue is nobody in NATO aside from the US really *has* hundreds of spare long range SAM batteries lying around. Our air defense strategy prioritized fighter aircraft more than the Soviets did. So long term if the West wants to sustain Ukrainian air defenses, it likely needs to be in the form of aircraft.

      >So long term if the West wants to sustain Ukrainian air defenses, it likely needs to be in the form of aircraft.

      How does that work? F-16s on patrol 24/7 ready to shoot down cruise missiles? Surely they can't be scrambled on the fly, they have to be up in the air.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cruise missiles are slow and they're launched by Russian long range bombers, there's a fair bit of warning usually.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If twitter OSINT bros can consistently call out Tu-95s taking off and strategic radio chatter picking up 4 hours before they launch their missiles over the Caspian, so can Ukraine. That said, I've seen a bunch of MiG 29 combat air patrol clips, so they do seem to just keep some in the air chilling near Lviv ready to fly east to intercept.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, they can fly them 24/7 if the situation calls for it, such as intel for a likely air strike of some kind being received.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russians can't into opsec so everyone knows when there's a barrage of cruise missiles on the way before they're even over Ukraine.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russians have a shitload of SAMs. Ukraine has much less, but Russians are still scared to fly their planes.
    It's worth considering that as a large post Soviet State, "much less" SAMs means absurd numbers of them compared to NATO countries. Ukraine started the war with 100 batteries of S-300. And it turns out that uncontested bombing of hospitals in Syria did not teach the Russian Airforce how to fight in airspace protected by hundreds of long range SAM launchers.

    The issue is that Ukraine's long range Soviey SAMs are running low on ammo. NATO countries are trying to compensate by transferring some rather excellent SAM systems (see Patriot mogging Kinzhal), but the issue is nobody in NATO aside from the US really *has* hundreds of spare long range SAM batteries lying around. Our air defense strategy prioritized fighter aircraft more than the Soviets did. So long term if the West wants to sustain Ukrainian air defenses, it likely needs to be in the form of aircraft.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It makes sense to not have a bunch of SAM systems though:

      1. Western doctrine pushes the west to build a shit ton of high quality planes, achieve air superiority and use it to beat the enemy senseless.
      2. Russia has lots of SAMs because they can't compete with the west technologically, or economically.
      3. The West can make better SAMs than Russia, but it would pull resources away from planes and the air superiority we want, building a ton of SAMs on top of a shit ton of planes is pointless and counterproductive. Most western SAMs exist to prevent missile attacks and protect high value targets

      This would be a non-issue if NATO had given Ukraine enough planes to "fight like NATO" , but, until now, they seemed unwilling to give Ukraine the Airforce capability to push for air supremacy. In the meantime, NATO was jerry-rigging together old NATO missile systems into Ukraine's Soviet-era launchers to give them access to NATO's cold war missile stockpiles. That, alongside the Patriots, Manpads, existing Ukrainian stocks, foreign purchases, shorter range NATO systems like NASAMS, and donated planes should give Ukraine the short, medium, and long-term capability to close the skies.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are gonna save them to invade Romania later. The classic Chiang Kai-sek ploy.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cuz jets are cool. They makemy pp hard.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does Ukraine need lots of jets?
    Because it's imperative to bomb donetsk children with JDAMs.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      if there's children left in donetsk then clearly they haven't been sufficiently mobilized. AK is simple enough for child to use, and they do. Maybe Timmyovich play flight simulator game, give him UAV, make productive*~~

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      luganda is forgotten?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those children will soon be reinforcing positions in Bakhmut. Ukranians won't be able to bomb them by the time they get F-16s

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is about to learn about NATO Standard means

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are needed to shoot down Russki glide bombs during ground advances.
    They also demoralize the enemy.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't because they're gonna lose anyway, the US is being sabotaged.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Low IQ question, but anti-air defence and gliding bombs.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably similar difficulty to cruise missiles

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >shoot down enemy fighters trying to drop glide bombs
    >drop glide bombs yourself
    Also SEAD and SNEED.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't russia lose yet another Pantsir this week?

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, maybe even two.
    But why is that relevant!

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>they can't fly into Russian/Soviet territory because of all the SAMs
    Russian SAMs have a history of not always working. It's a gamble but the Ukies previously managed to attack Russia by air.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Small arms doesnt allow for massive corruption, Send a few aircraft costing 100"s of millions of dollars and now were talking a little funny accounting! Get a meet with Hesh for next week!!

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    For morale, unironically. Also having new (or new-ish) F-16s could be a huge asset for SEAD.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >For morale
      SO if the Russians lost 200k sofar and its a 10:1
      Uki deaths to Russian, There isnt many left so frick their moral.

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