>10 rounds is plenty
reject standard capacity magazines
return to single shot breach loading
[...]
How much difference do you Black folk think the standard issue infantry rifle makes in a nuclear mechanized WW3 scenario?
>be Armée de terre >have half of squad capped at 100m effective range with their 1940s stamped 9mm smg >rest of guys are half dry after taking 5 potshots at ruskies >machine gunner can't resupply with NATO standard ammunition
are french people moronic?
>infantry spend 90% of their time in an NBC sealed APC >only get out to secure a position after it's been nuked or get nuked themselves
what's the problem?
I blame de Gaulle, who was a turbo homosexual and napoleon larper, withdrawing from NATO because it wasn't burger king and he couldn't have it his way.
>WW1 >refuse to embrace stripper clips or en blocs >use outdated tube mag bolt gun >outdated double tapered rimmed cartridge >finally accept superiority of en bloc clips >3rd en bloc clips
>WW2 >switching to modern rimless cartridge >frick nvm go back to the rimmed double taper real quick >slowly rearsenal with new rimless& handy bolt gun >postwar refuse to adopt nato caliber
>Mid 1970's >finally ditch battle rifle >finally adopt nato cartridges >adopt a handy new 5.56 assault rifle >bullpup, fun switch, bipod >pretty good >refuse to use nato standard mags
You could have just noted that they speak (and even think) in French.
Imagine trying to generate useful ideas with those ridiculous noises bouncing around in your head. And compound that with the misery of being an engineer, where simply saying numbers requires arithmetic and you've been taught to use decimal commas.
No idea conceived in French is good, there's a reason the Germans will only speak to them in English.
>No idea conceived in French is good, there's a reason the Germans will only speak to them in English
I have never been exposed to such a spectacularly biting insult toward the French. Thank you for that one anon, truly. I'm gonna use it
>refuse to use nato standard mags
There is no standard nato mag you moron, and the Famas 25 rounds straight mag is very close to the original AR15 mag, the one from before the M16 20 rounder. The STANAG 4179 was a draft and never got formally adopted. HK33, Steyr Aug, G36, all did not use AR15 magwells for a long time and still mostly don't. The Famas G2 got an AR15 style magwell and feeds from AR15 compatible FNH-made mags. Then the cold war ended so only 20k Famas G2 were made.
Anyway this thread is dumb. I answered OP and a few morons with some OG here
https://i.imgur.com/ajcl6zg.jpg
Here's a little collage I made for your culture anons.
There was also 18 rounder mag in the works at some point, which was simply two 10 rounders cut and wielded together with a longer spring, but I don't got any pic. of this.
The plan to reuse FM24/29 25 rounders never went farther than locally made tinkering.
Lastly the 49/56 is relatively easy to refit for use with FAL magazines but outside of civilians I don't know if the french army ever tried this.
, of course nobody replied because it proved them wrong with actual info.
What a waste of time you tards are.
>The mas 49 is a semi-auto full-size 30 cal rifle, which makes it a battle rifle
Battle rifles are select fire full rifle cartridges, they also sound a lot better on paper than they preform in reality when you get a guy with a couple of weeks shooting trying to full-auto a 30 cal.
Here's a little collage I made for your culture anons.
There was also 18 rounder mag in the works at some point, which was simply two 10 rounders cut and wielded together with a longer spring, but I don't got any pic. of this.
The plan to reuse FM24/29 25 rounders never went farther than locally made tinkering.
Lastly the 49/56 is relatively easy to refit for use with FAL magazines but outside of civilians I don't know if the french army ever tried this.
the akm was (supposed) to fulfill a different role though
its not like the french didnt have automatic guns at all, they just werent the standard issue
they still had plenty of machine guns and smgs
>the akm was (supposed) to fulfill a different role though
No it was not. No amount of semantic gamesmanship about "battle rifles" can avoid the fact that they're magazine-fed, self-loading, standard issue infantry rifles. They fulfil the exact same role but they perform in different leagues, the AK being vastly superior.
I think the FN-49 is fricking cool, but it was obsolete by the time it was produced, the same is even more true of the MAS49.
Here I translated this frog's cope >The French only fought thirdie Black folk for 35 years after WW2, so they were happy to sick back and suck each other's wieners instead of innovating. They also lost most of these wars, which surely had nothing to do with their trash small arms & infantry tactics.
Here I translated this frog's cope >The French only fought thirdie Black folk for 35 years after WW2, so they were happy to sick back and suck each other's wieners instead of innovating. They also lost most of these wars, which surely had nothing to do with their trash small arms & infantry tactics.
Its not even true. There's a reason they were buying SIG 542s in the 1970s for their military operations in Africa.
We won EVERY engagement. It's like Afghanistan, after we were done raping the frick out of them for 10 years, we got bored and left. Go choke on a wiener, tankie.
After we were done fricking every woman 18-27 for 10 years. We pulled out and tried to let the South Vietnamese handle their shit, but they fricked it up lol.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not to be crass but you can bump that age range in both directions by a large degree
>At 07:53 the last U.S. Marines were lifted from the roof of the U.S. Embassy. At 10:24 am. President Minh ordered all South Vietnamese forces to cease fighting. Later Minh would be escorted to a radio station, from which he declared the unconditional surrender of his government. Around noon, a PAVN tank, number 390, crashed through the gates of the Independence Palace.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Now look up how many American troops were in Vietnam in 1975
7 months ago
Anonymous
Those marines in your picture were the US embassy guard.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Now look up how many American troops were in Vietnam in 1975
After the 1973 Paris Peace Accords, the only remaining US troops in South Vietnam were the embassy guards and the 50 personnel assigned to the Defense Attache Office, Saigon.
i'm not a tankie, you're just moronic >sent out a bunch of young men to die for uncle sam and couldnt take responsibility for finishing the war in the end >a quarter million south vietnamese soldiers died and we abandoned them >$168 billion dollars down the drain >sparked a cultural change in america which made it completely cucked and pozzed >complete take over of vietnam by communists
>iraq is also under iranian influence
It is not possible to be more wrong.
moron. You think an invasion of North Vietnam would have been possible? The endless thousands of American dead alone would have been unimaginable in its effect, and that’s before we address the almost certain escalation to 3rd World War.
You’re a clown.
>You think an invasion of North Vietnam would have been possible?
Defeating the NVA would have been trivially easy. You just bomb population centers and the country collapses in weeks. All wars from the 20th century onwards in which America has been denied outright victory is because it denied itself victory.
Also no-one gave a frick about Vietnam, the only reason communist countries armed and advised the NVA was to keep America occupied, it's the same reason the US is arming Ukraine today.
There was absolutely no risk of a 3rd world war no matter what the US did.
that comparison makes no sense because north vietnam controlled half of the south when we left
it would be like quitting a basketball match because suddenly you dont think you're gonna win like a sore loser, and then later on going "wEll i pRactIcalLY WoulD'Ve wOn aNyWAys" and successfully convincing everyone around you that you're a moron
I have a question
why do non-americans not only care about american wars, but get angry for what they believe to be misinformation about american wars?
Imagine there's a playground bully, the biggest meanest kid on the whole playground. He's got the fattest wiener, makes out with the hottest girls, and is best friends with the israeli kid who takes 20% of all the lunch money the bully steals, in exchange for favorable gossip. The bully gets in a few fights, and then he hears you spreading false rumors about the fights he's been in. You're in some deep shit now huh? Probably want to make sure you get the story right from now on don't ya?
When was the US Army driven back to Saigon and defeated? Oh wait, that was after we left and the South Vietnamese were on their own with all of the stuff we gave them.
Listen up you ignorant trash frickface, you might learn something.
The Vietnam War destroyed the morale of the US armed forces AND the general public.
The draft proved to be an unmitigated disaster. The quality of US troops being sent overseas was was in an ever intensifying downward spiral and by 70/71 indiscipline and drug use were endemic in all branches of the military.
Vietnam was not a sustainable war. The USA HAD to get out. Do you not understand that? It was politically, militarily and socially unsustainable.
It gave in, packed up, abandoned its allies, and went home.
The Vietnamese won. Only a Trump tier liar would say otherwise.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>noooooo the morale!
Was only because dumb frick politicians kept the military on a leash and didn't crack hippie skulls. If the US mobilized it's reserves instead of using draftees and actually INVADED NORTH VEITNAM rather than setting around letting them attack it would have been over within a year.
6 months ago
Anonymous
moron. You think an invasion of North Vietnam would have been possible? The endless thousands of American dead alone would have been unimaginable in its effect, and that’s before we address the almost certain escalation to 3rd World War.
You’re a clown.
6 months ago
Anonymous
you are moronic.
america would murder north vietnam in no time, the only reason we get tangled into counter insurgency war is because leadership at that time had unreasonable fears it would drag china into second korea 2 type of conflict.
now have a nice day.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The thousands of dead from vietnam war happened exactly because vietnamese had a safe and secure zone to organize and stay in, which US troops weren't allowed to touch.
You forget the other thing that would affect though, this board >Fricking FALs god we should've adopted the T44 (M14) it would've been so much better REEEEEEEE >TFW YWN cheap T44s (M14s) on surplus market (thread made multiple times a month) >Maybe the FAL gets replaced by the AR10? >What the frick happens to the AR15? Does it even get adopted? >/BRG/ and /ARG/ swap posters; now /BRG/ shitposts about moronic accessories and muh latest risers and if you don't have $69,000 worth of night vision you'll get kilt in teh streets and /ARG/ becomes assault rifle general (or some shit) and people post their parts kit CETME Ls and AR15s gushing over "what could've been" while complimenting each other about their rare bipods, collapsing stocks, Colt 4x scopes, rare spanish CETME L optics, etc etc
i doubt it would change much
the only military service rifle people seem to be obsessed with enough to be common on the market is the m16 and m4
theres plenty of other good rifles in service that people just ignore and as a result are expensive
just look at semi auto m14s, they're all atleast a 1k investment
>takes bright blue and red uniforms into ww1 >used a 3 round capacity rifle in ww1 >put all their defensive resources into 1 area under threat of another German invasion >never form panzer units and instead spread out your albeit decent tanks for the time thinly across the front >trie to hold onto French Indochina (based) >establish a massive base out in the open in the middle of a canyon with limited visibility and air support
I’m sorry, but were you expecting French military competence post Napoleon?
The French tried to convert them to 7.62 themselves and couldn't even get it right, with the original engineers who designed the guns. Do you seriously think the moronic monkeys at Century could have pulled it off? No, they're garbage.
Are you going to shut up? There were MAS 49/56 chambered from the ground in 7.62x51 you moron. It's the monkeys at Century Arms who fricked all the MAS in 7.5x54.
The funds were all going to nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers, French don't really make very good small arms and France was a fricking horrible political mess during the 1950s to 1970s.
I guess they saw how effective full auto was on the M14 and decided it wasn't worth it.
They rushed their pre-war design into service and subsequent battle rifles weren't enough of an improvement and/or not French enough to replace it.
Did something stop them from giving it a 20-rounder?
The more ammo you give a grunt, the more shots are wasted
10 rounds is plenty
>10 rounds is plenty
reject standard capacity magazines
return to single shot breach loading
>be Armée de terre
>have half of squad capped at 100m effective range with their 1940s stamped 9mm smg
>rest of guys are half dry after taking 5 potshots at ruskies
>machine gunner can't resupply with NATO standard ammunition
are french people moronic?
>infantry spend 90% of their time in an NBC sealed APC
>only get out to secure a position after it's been nuked or get nuked themselves
what's the problem?
what's the problem?
france hasn't been nuked
Philosophies like this are why the Russian military is losing the biggest land war in Europe since the WWII today.
I blame de Gaulle, who was a turbo homosexual and napoleon larper, withdrawing from NATO because it wasn't burger king and he couldn't have it his way.
>pic
nice reference
>are french people moronic?
Well let's see
>WW1
>refuse to embrace stripper clips or en blocs
>use outdated tube mag bolt gun
>outdated double tapered rimmed cartridge
>finally accept superiority of en bloc clips
>3rd en bloc clips
>WW2
>switching to modern rimless cartridge
>frick nvm go back to the rimmed double taper real quick
>slowly rearsenal with new rimless& handy bolt gun
>postwar refuse to adopt nato caliber
>Mid 1970's
>finally ditch battle rifle
>finally adopt nato cartridges
>adopt a handy new 5.56 assault rifle
>bullpup, fun switch, bipod
>pretty good
>refuse to use nato standard mags
Yeah they're fricking braindead
You could have just noted that they speak (and even think) in French.
Imagine trying to generate useful ideas with those ridiculous noises bouncing around in your head. And compound that with the misery of being an engineer, where simply saying numbers requires arithmetic and you've been taught to use decimal commas.
No idea conceived in French is good, there's a reason the Germans will only speak to them in English.
>No idea conceived in French is good, there's a reason the Germans will only speak to them in English
I have never been exposed to such a spectacularly biting insult toward the French. Thank you for that one anon, truly. I'm gonna use it
>refuse to use nato standard mags
There is no standard nato mag you moron, and the Famas 25 rounds straight mag is very close to the original AR15 mag, the one from before the M16 20 rounder. The STANAG 4179 was a draft and never got formally adopted. HK33, Steyr Aug, G36, all did not use AR15 magwells for a long time and still mostly don't. The Famas G2 got an AR15 style magwell and feeds from AR15 compatible FNH-made mags. Then the cold war ended so only 20k Famas G2 were made.
Anyway this thread is dumb. I answered OP and a few morons with some OG here
, of course nobody replied because it proved them wrong with actual info.
What a waste of time you tards are.
>t. military quartermaster from before the 1950s
How much difference do you Black folk think the standard issue infantry rifle makes in a nuclear mechanized WW3 scenario?
Enough that it was worth switching to battle rifles.
The mas 49 is a semi-auto full-size 30 cal rifle, which makes it a battle rifle. They went to the FAMAS afterwards.
>The mas 49 is a semi-auto full-size 30 cal rifle, which makes it a battle rifle
Battle rifles are select fire full rifle cartridges, they also sound a lot better on paper than they preform in reality when you get a guy with a couple of weeks shooting trying to full-auto a 30 cal.
>Battle rifles are select fire
Made up distinction. The L1A1 didn't have a giggle switch and it's still a FAL.
It did, but was modified by unit armorers.
t.-my L1A1 is real and has the sear cut
>Battle rifles are select fire
No, lmao. Tons of battle rifles never had select fire or had it removed/disabled quickly in service.
t. francotard
Here's a little collage I made for your culture anons.
There was also 18 rounder mag in the works at some point, which was simply two 10 rounders cut and wielded together with a longer spring, but I don't got any pic. of this.
The plan to reuse FM24/29 25 rounders never went farther than locally made tinkering.
Lastly the 49/56 is relatively easy to refit for use with FAL magazines but outside of civilians I don't know if the french army ever tried this.
bonjour
Mag capacity doesn't really matter if you're not going to fire any shots.
are they at least drop-safe?
Of course. Wouldn't want to accidentally shoot one of the enemy soldiers.
semi auto is fine in a service rifle
thats really only just a little after vietnam, most of their enemies would've had SKSs and mosins
Over 20 million AKs have been produced before there was Famas
the akm was (supposed) to fulfill a different role though
its not like the french didnt have automatic guns at all, they just werent the standard issue
they still had plenty of machine guns and smgs
>the akm was (supposed) to fulfill a different role though
No it was not. No amount of semantic gamesmanship about "battle rifles" can avoid the fact that they're magazine-fed, self-loading, standard issue infantry rifles. They fulfil the exact same role but they perform in different leagues, the AK being vastly superior.
I think the FN-49 is fricking cool, but it was obsolete by the time it was produced, the same is even more true of the MAS49.
>French
>Not being poor
What explanation do you really need.
But anon how can the french bribe their clients into buying their weapons if they're poor?
FIFA/UEFA votes. No joke.
Worked well enough for France's needs, plenty of MAT49s to go around, was effective in all major events it participated in
Here I translated this frog's cope
>The French only fought thirdie Black folk for 35 years after WW2, so they were happy to sick back and suck each other's wieners instead of innovating. They also lost most of these wars, which surely had nothing to do with their trash small arms & infantry tactics.
Its not even true. There's a reason they were buying SIG 542s in the 1970s for their military operations in Africa.
If it weren't for Vietnam, the US would've kept the M14 well into the 1970s too. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Very weak excuse
>US technically didnt lose vietnam
wish mouth breathing morons like you would shut up
We won EVERY engagement. It's like Afghanistan, after we were done raping the frick out of them for 10 years, we got bored and left. Go choke on a wiener, tankie.
they took saigon
After we were done fricking every woman 18-27 for 10 years. We pulled out and tried to let the South Vietnamese handle their shit, but they fricked it up lol.
Not to be crass but you can bump that age range in both directions by a large degree
doesn't look like it
Two years after we left?
>Two years after we left?
More like two hours
>At 07:53 the last U.S. Marines were lifted from the roof of the U.S. Embassy. At 10:24 am. President Minh ordered all South Vietnamese forces to cease fighting. Later Minh would be escorted to a radio station, from which he declared the unconditional surrender of his government. Around noon, a PAVN tank, number 390, crashed through the gates of the Independence Palace.
Now look up how many American troops were in Vietnam in 1975
Those marines in your picture were the US embassy guard.
After the 1973 Paris Peace Accords, the only remaining US troops in South Vietnam were the embassy guards and the 50 personnel assigned to the Defense Attache Office, Saigon.
i'm not a tankie, you're just moronic
>sent out a bunch of young men to die for uncle sam and couldnt take responsibility for finishing the war in the end
>a quarter million south vietnamese soldiers died and we abandoned them
>$168 billion dollars down the drain
>sparked a cultural change in america which made it completely cucked and pozzed
>complete take over of vietnam by communists
>We won EVERY engagement.
yeah and? lost the war same with afganistan
iraq is also under iranian influence
>Iraq is under Iranian influence
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>iraq is also under iranian influence
It is not possible to be more wrong.
>You think an invasion of North Vietnam would have been possible?
Defeating the NVA would have been trivially easy. You just bomb population centers and the country collapses in weeks. All wars from the 20th century onwards in which America has been denied outright victory is because it denied itself victory.
Also no-one gave a frick about Vietnam, the only reason communist countries armed and advised the NVA was to keep America occupied, it's the same reason the US is arming Ukraine today.
There was absolutely no risk of a 3rd world war no matter what the US did.
If I 1v1 you in basketball score 112 points and you score 0 then I decide to leave did you win?
that comparison makes no sense because north vietnam controlled half of the south when we left
it would be like quitting a basketball match because suddenly you dont think you're gonna win like a sore loser, and then later on going "wEll i pRactIcalLY WoulD'Ve wOn aNyWAys" and successfully convincing everyone around you that you're a moron
This is literally what happened
Well...it's not literally what happened.
You're insane if you think these little 4'9 rice frickers are scoring even a single shot with Jamal the GI playing old-school defense
If you leave before the match is over you lose
It’s a meme you dip.
and the other guy is moronic enough to believe it
I have a question
why do non-americans not only care about american wars, but get angry for what they believe to be misinformation about american wars?
Imagine there's a playground bully, the biggest meanest kid on the whole playground. He's got the fattest wiener, makes out with the hottest girls, and is best friends with the israeli kid who takes 20% of all the lunch money the bully steals, in exchange for favorable gossip. The bully gets in a few fights, and then he hears you spreading false rumors about the fights he's been in. You're in some deep shit now huh? Probably want to make sure you get the story right from now on don't ya?
i am american dumbass
the US after the korean war has just been completely lame and cucked though
Nah shooting those liberal kids at Kent was pretty based
I’m so sick of this cleetus cope
>muh K:D!
You lost to 5’0 Asians, get over it
When was the US Army driven back to Saigon and defeated? Oh wait, that was after we left and the South Vietnamese were on their own with all of the stuff we gave them.
Listen up you ignorant trash frickface, you might learn something.
The Vietnam War destroyed the morale of the US armed forces AND the general public.
The draft proved to be an unmitigated disaster. The quality of US troops being sent overseas was was in an ever intensifying downward spiral and by 70/71 indiscipline and drug use were endemic in all branches of the military.
Vietnam was not a sustainable war. The USA HAD to get out. Do you not understand that? It was politically, militarily and socially unsustainable.
It gave in, packed up, abandoned its allies, and went home.
The Vietnamese won. Only a Trump tier liar would say otherwise.
>noooooo the morale!
Was only because dumb frick politicians kept the military on a leash and didn't crack hippie skulls. If the US mobilized it's reserves instead of using draftees and actually INVADED NORTH VEITNAM rather than setting around letting them attack it would have been over within a year.
moron. You think an invasion of North Vietnam would have been possible? The endless thousands of American dead alone would have been unimaginable in its effect, and that’s before we address the almost certain escalation to 3rd World War.
You’re a clown.
you are moronic.
america would murder north vietnam in no time, the only reason we get tangled into counter insurgency war is because leadership at that time had unreasonable fears it would drag china into second korea 2 type of conflict.
now have a nice day.
The thousands of dead from vietnam war happened exactly because vietnamese had a safe and secure zone to organize and stay in, which US troops weren't allowed to touch.
>if
Glorious victory in an alternative reality
At this point I just say it to get a rise out of pedantic losers like you, I can see it's pretty effective
France and the US both should have adopted the FAL. The FAL should have been the NATO AK.
Imagine how amazing the surplus market would be today if the US had adopted it. Every American home would have an FAL
You forget the other thing that would affect though, this board
>Fricking FALs god we should've adopted the T44 (M14) it would've been so much better REEEEEEEE
>TFW YWN cheap T44s (M14s) on surplus market (thread made multiple times a month)
>Maybe the FAL gets replaced by the AR10?
>What the frick happens to the AR15? Does it even get adopted?
>/BRG/ and /ARG/ swap posters; now /BRG/ shitposts about moronic accessories and muh latest risers and if you don't have $69,000 worth of night vision you'll get kilt in teh streets and /ARG/ becomes assault rifle general (or some shit) and people post their parts kit CETME Ls and AR15s gushing over "what could've been" while complimenting each other about their rare bipods, collapsing stocks, Colt 4x scopes, rare spanish CETME L optics, etc etc
i doubt it would change much
the only military service rifle people seem to be obsessed with enough to be common on the market is the m16 and m4
theres plenty of other good rifles in service that people just ignore and as a result are expensive
just look at semi auto m14s, they're all atleast a 1k investment
>takes bright blue and red uniforms into ww1
>used a 3 round capacity rifle in ww1
>put all their defensive resources into 1 area under threat of another German invasion
>never form panzer units and instead spread out your albeit decent tanks for the time thinly across the front
>trie to hold onto French Indochina (based)
>establish a massive base out in the open in the middle of a canyon with limited visibility and air support
I’m sorry, but were you expecting French military competence post Napoleon?
>takes bright blue and red uniforms into ww1
.
I saw that video and it convinced me to buy one. Never been happier.
>French learned long ago the more rounds you give a grunt the more he wastes
Simple.
They wanted it to be legal in California
So are all of the century 7.62 conversions irredeemable?
The French tried to convert them to 7.62 themselves and couldn't even get it right, with the original engineers who designed the guns. Do you seriously think the moronic monkeys at Century could have pulled it off? No, they're garbage.
Are you going to shut up? There were MAS 49/56 chambered from the ground in 7.62x51 you moron. It's the monkeys at Century Arms who fricked all the MAS in 7.5x54.
They wanted a french-made and designed rifle. You can blame long-held policies on nationalism on that.
But why didn’t they just make a better gun like everybody else? Or, shit, just a bigger magazine.
The funds were all going to nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers, French don't really make very good small arms and France was a fricking horrible political mess during the 1950s to 1970s.
Its called 'Class', you anglophones wouldn't understand.