sell me on the benefits of PCCs when 300 blk exists

sell me on the benefits of PCCs when 300 blk exists

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The ammo is cheap as shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you can also typically fit 2 or 3 pcc mags in the space that an AR mag takes up in a pouch. although that shit gets heavy fast.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But the gun is $1200, so what's the point?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moronic or so broke you got filtered by PCCs?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was very clear; are you ESL or something?
          You can't use "muh cheap ammo" as an excuse when the carbine is so much more expensive than the rifle that you'd have to shoot tens of thousands of rounds to make up the difference.
          You're shooting a PCC cause it's fricking cool. Simple as. Obviously an SBR AR is better for CQB, but you're not a SWAT cop or a tanker, so that's irrelevant.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also, I only have 1 9mm PCC; the rest are .45, which isn't that great price-wise, 7.62x25, which I think is about the same price as AK ammo, and a couple .44 Magnums, which are expensive as hell, but I don't know if they count as PCCs.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh, and my Mauser, but that doesn't really count

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't use "muh cheap ammo" as an excuse when the carbine is so much more expensive than the rifle that you'd have to shoot tens of thousands of rounds to make up the difference.
            homie what planet are you from? my EVO cost me $800, if I got the most dogshit AR imaginable ($400) I'd be able to recoup the extra I spent on my EVO in just a couple thousand rounds. frick outta here.

      • 4 weeks ago
        MilSurpDude

        Is this supposed to imply $1200 is a lot or that it's difficult to shoot the amount of 9mm vs, say, .223 to make up the difference? For a typical range trip of a few hundreds rounds, I'd be spending ~$140 of ammo for one of my ARs and ~$60 for my MP5 or KP-31 (or for shiggles, my Red 9). The saving would appear extremely fast. If I 1/1 replaced the 9mm I'd shot through my MP5 since 2019 with .223 shot through my ARs, I'd have straight up spent about $2000 more.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've never seen a 300b that I'd call affordable, the floor seems to be $1000 with ammo on top on it. In before some cherry picked garbage rod in 300b.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, the only reply the PCCucks can ever muster.
      >t-the ammo c-cheap... w-what i-is no f-fun allowed?
      Get a ruger 10/22 if you want something cheap to madump trash with.
      For literally anything else a rifle, or pistol will be a vastly better option to a PCC

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is about the long and short of it. PCCs are cool but absolutely btfo by sbrs in 300blk, except when it comes to ease of suppressibility.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I simply love my mp5. Nothing anyone can do about it but seethe. It is the best gun I own, shooting wise. I just can't explain but shooting it is more pleasurable than any gun I've shot before.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone ive let shoot my MP5 had never said anything less. Remarkable gun.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The cheapest subsonic new brass 300blk is >60cpr versus 45acp being >32cpr
    And the former is essentially guaranteed to overpenetrate and waste energy due to its large sectional density while the larger diameter of 45 has a higher chance of damaging nerves for an instant stop

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you're looking for short barrel or even subsonic performance a 7.62 mm bullet is moronic and cringe compared to 9 mm or 11.5 mm

      >diameter

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not about expansion but energy at subsonic and short barrel.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's about energy
          It's never been about energy and it never will, it's always about permanent wound cavity in which expansion is a key factor for this type of wounding mechanism.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kinetic energy is not a wounding factor, and does not wound, or aid in wounding
          This has been known and published since at least 1986, stop being a fricktard.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and how much does that cost per round?
        >bbbbutt you can't put a price on a magic buzzsaw!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm responding to misinformation about expansion dumbass

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >45

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      where are you finding .45 for 32 cpr

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, look on ammoseek.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >instant stop
      .45 gays back at it again

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >1911
        why does your gun have two external safeties, why does it have the inferior barrel link, why is it not drop safe, why does it only hold 7+1, why does it take 1000+ to make it reliable?????? WHY ANON!????

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I carry a .22 because they don't make a .23

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is cheaper, recoil is still less. There are some pretty fun guns that are PCCs, and they can get a lot lighter. There isn't a full range of 300bo sbrs yet though it's coming along quick.

    I mean, full disclosure I plan to get a 300bo to replace both a PCC and my ar10 once what I want comes out. But I know lots of guys who swear by theirs and they're definitely very fun guns. One guy has one of those meme vectors with a binary trigger, wild amount of money but boy if it isn't a hoot to shoot, and don't need to feel too bad about mag dumping fun when it's 21cpr. I'll never get one myself but I totally understand why he likes it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I plan to get a 300bo to replace both a PCC and my ar10 once what I want comes out.
      What's coming out?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    subsonic .300 blks usually have the same terminal performance as .45, supers are a different breed tho and I see them as a great purpose to get the best out of a short barrel

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >subsonic .300 blks usually have the same terminal performance as .45
      No, subsonic 300blk is notably superior, even rounds not designed to open offer much better penetration, and wounding (as they usually tumble, and being quite long this is deviststing) and will penetrate soft armor.
      And obviously supers, especially the 115 barnes and the 125 nosler BT are exceptionally devastating even compared to other common rifle rounds.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Form factor and weight. Specifically the PDW sized ones. Mp5K, MP9, Raider (among others) all way way smaller than almost anything that can handle 300 blacked. I can carry any of those platforms under a heavy coat, or they offer minimal space required when placed in a bag. Recoil, flash/concussion are also factors.

    300 is more capable ballistically but is a size tier over. Unless you have full auto then literally being able to write your name with a Mp5 conveys an obvious benefit.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shorter and quiter with a suppressor
    example mp5k

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    concussive force is going to be way more noticeable in your house than when you're shooting outdoors, especially in a hallway

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      doubt anyone would give any consideration to 'concussive force' during a home defense scenario

      auditory exclusion is a real thing during an adrenaline dump

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ideally you would like to avoid permanent hearing damage. But blowing your ear drums could stop you from hearing someone talking that you need to hear.
        >inb4 I'd rather be alive and deaf
        yeah no shit Einstein.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I deal in reality, Black person.

          You've let YT channels write your playbook for you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok then accept the reality that 140 decibels in a confined space is going to result in permanent hearing damage.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You saying an unsuppressed Glock 19 is under 140db?

              Bc idk wtf point you're trying to make about noise levels in a real-life scenario.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you're comparing .300 BLK with subguns then you probably plan to put a suppressor on them (otherwise both are pointless) and if you can afford suppressors then you can get both a .300 BLK and a subgun.

                >You saying an unsuppressed Glock 19 is under 140db?
                You really love pulling strawman arguments out of your ass. He didn't say that at all.

                https://i.imgur.com/KcBztZ0.jpeg

                >Not understanding that the most common pistol caliber in the world is cheaper than a meme round
                >Not understanding that lighter bullets=less overpenetration
                >Not understanding that lighter, smaller ammunition is easier to accumulate and store and carry
                >Not understanding that permanently blowing your eardrums out is a bad thing

                You are right on all these points, but lets be honest. If he can afford a suppressor then he doesn't care about cheap and this is either a range toy or a home defense gun not a carry gun where he needs to worry about the weight of each mag.

                >doubt anyone would give any consideration to 'concussive force' during a home defense scenario
                Well .. exactly. In a home defense scenario, I don't want to have to factor that consideration in at all. That's why my go to HD guns & loads won't implode my eardrums. Or any of my family members'. Same reason I don't have any fricks to give about .30 sooper.

                > t. my dayjob is audio engineer

                >I don't have any fricks to give about .30 sooper.
                That round would have possibly succeeded if they'd just marketed it as an improvement to .380 ACP rather than trying to get it to compete with 9MM.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you can afford to spend less than $1k on you 9mm can and stand, then you can afford to spend $3-4k on a .300 BLK suppressed SBR and $1k for a PCC
                That's called moving the goal posts, anon. Buying thing A is objectively less than buying thing A and thing B. Moron.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >3-4k 300blk SBR
                In current year? I'm sure you could find one, but you can build or buy a good enough 300blk AR for far less than that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The point that was trying to be made is that if he can afford a .300 BLK SBR, a suppressor, and ammo for his SBR, then he could also get a subgun since they are cheaper. You aren't very good at reading; maybe you're the moron?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You really love pulling strawman arguments out of your ass. He didn't say that at all.

                Dude is arguing ab noise levels between .300BO & 9mm in an indoor hallway.

                I'm well in-line with his gay ass argument

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Confined space doenst increase sound you fricking mong.
              X decibels indoors = X decibels outdoors.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >doubt anyone would give any consideration to 'concussive force' during a home defense scenario
        Well .. exactly. In a home defense scenario, I don't want to have to factor that consideration in at all. That's why my go to HD guns & loads won't implode my eardrums. Or any of my family members'. Same reason I don't have any fricks to give about .30 sooper.

        > t. my dayjob is audio engineer

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >.30 sooper

          If you're comparing .300 BLK with subguns then you probably plan to put a suppressor on them (otherwise both are pointless) and if you can afford suppressors then you can get both a .300 BLK and a subgun.

          >You saying an unsuppressed Glock 19 is under 140db?
          You really love pulling strawman arguments out of your ass. He didn't say that at all.

          [...]
          You are right on all these points, but lets be honest. If he can afford a suppressor then he doesn't care about cheap and this is either a range toy or a home defense gun not a carry gun where he needs to worry about the weight of each mag.

          [...]
          >I don't have any fricks to give about .30 sooper.
          That round would have possibly succeeded if they'd just marketed it as an improvement to .380 ACP rather than trying to get it to compete with 9MM.

          I want to love it so much. If only ...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A literal non issue in a defensive situation.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ammo half the price, sometimes even cheaper for subs. you can get 147's for 29 cpr, and regular FMJ for 22cpr

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      300blk subs are fricking 83cpr

      thats more expensive than 308

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pistol ammo costs less, recoils less, is lighter. If this isn't apparent to you at this point then you're just willfully moronic.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >my hecking hearing

    Cool, earpro

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you aren't wearing both in ears and over ear protection while shooting in doors then you are damaging your ears. This is especially the case for stuff like 5.56

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Not understanding that the most common pistol caliber in the world is cheaper than a meme round
    >Not understanding that lighter bullets=less overpenetration
    >Not understanding that lighter, smaller ammunition is easier to accumulate and store and carry
    >Not understanding that permanently blowing your eardrums out is a bad thing

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >post S&W M&P 2.0 in 300 BO
    Hard Mode: post ballistics chart for it

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Useless unless it’s full auto

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s fun
    Ammo is super cheap
    It’s fun
    HK slap
    Not all guns need to serve a purpose in your John Wick fantasy

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao you pathetic barrellets never fail to make me laugh with your "SBR" threads. Face it, most rifles will be infinitely more effective than your sad pistols will ever be. You are shooting mall ninja 7.62x39, get over it larpers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The irony is too much to bear

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sell me on the benefits of PCCs when 300 blk exists
    There are none. Any benefits given are cope from larp homosexuals.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me the biggest practical difference is cheap ammo. I can shoot a 9mm PCC (~23cpr) 2-3x as much as I could anything in 300 blk (~60cpr)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah but you're forgetting this is PrepHole where everybody is claiming to make 140,000 USD a year and never have to worry about costs. They're also all benching 2 pl8s and have an 8% body fat and their girls just blew them, shit was so cash.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're looking for short barrel or even subsonic performance a 7.62 mm bullet is moronic and cringe compared to 9 mm or 11.5 mm

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God he's such a gay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who is that, Hop? I think I know where that queer is shooting at if he's still living in occupied shitholistan, WA.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pistol rounds fit in pistol grips. Without being a vaporware meme.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much does a round of .300 memeout subsonic cost compared to 9mm sub or .45?
    Yeah, thought so.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        13% of the time, but responsible for 90% of the oder

  22. 4 weeks ago
    sage

    politically correct carbines have no benefit
    Keltec cmr-30 is the closest thing to a useful one and I would call .22wmr a rimfire rifle round

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Such short sighted snobbery. The confidence in ignorance would be borderline hilarious if it wasn’t so pitiable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not an argument

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really it's just cheaper to feed and ammo commonality with your CC gun. In terms of absolute performance .300 does marginally better with subsonic loads and the performance difference with supers is night and day. But I think those are two pretty big benefits for the PCC tbh. If you're rolling in dough and are a time constrained shooter, somebody to whom the cost of ammo is no real practical limit on range time, then .300 is objectively a superior option. If that isn't you, which is true of the vast majority of shooters, then it's a balancing act. If you shoot your 9mm PCC twice as much because the ammo is half the cost then that's a much bigger benefit than whatever theoretical pro there is to a little extra expansion.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you shoot your 9mm PCC twice as much because the ammo is half the cost then that's a much bigger benefit than whatever theoretical pro there is to a little extra expansion.
      The purpose of the weapon isn't to expend ammo. You don't need a lot of practice to become proficient shooting subsonic 300 blk or 9mm ammo out of a long gun, so the justification for doubling how much you can shoot is moot. Also

      https://i.imgur.com/kxYnmVA.jpeg

      [...]
      >diameter

      is subsonic, and isn't 'a little exta' expansion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But the point of the weapon is the hobby of shooting. If you have something you can take out twice as much, and do, then it's of more value to you.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >then it's of more value to you.
          No the one that costs more is more value dumbass.

          God you people are so fricking dumb.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But the point of the weapon is the hobby of shooting
          Why would you refer to terminal ballistics at all then? In what sense would 'performance' matter in a hobby, unless you meant hunting but you never mentioned that. I thought you mentioned performance here

          Really it's just cheaper to feed and ammo commonality with your CC gun. In terms of absolute performance .300 does marginally better with subsonic loads and the performance difference with supers is night and day. But I think those are two pretty big benefits for the PCC tbh. If you're rolling in dough and are a time constrained shooter, somebody to whom the cost of ammo is no real practical limit on range time, then .300 is objectively a superior option. If that isn't you, which is true of the vast majority of shooters, then it's a balancing act. If you shoot your 9mm PCC twice as much because the ammo is half the cost then that's a much bigger benefit than whatever theoretical pro there is to a little extra expansion.

          to imply that you were discussing them in the context of self defense, and if so, then my points still stand.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >More practice is not better
        This is simply not true, particularly when it comes to a firearms using subsonic ammunition where accuracy is paramount to quickly and reliably stopping a threat. You are moronic.
        >It isn't just a little extra expansion
        It is, because until you get to looney tunes levels of expansion there is no appreciable change in effect on target. There will be no difference in reaction between a bad guy shot with your memesawXL round and any decently expanding JHP in 9mm unless there is a difference in placement.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I never said more practice isn't better. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can tell that you obviously pulled this strawman out of your ass. My point was that to become and stay 'proficient', you don't need that much practice as compared to something like a handgun because it's subsonic ammo out of a fricking long gun. The average engagement distance is going to be close as well, so shooting someone center mass in self defense ranges with a red dot on an AR isn't difficult. Literally take Joe Schmoe off the street, give them an AR with a dot, and they'd be able do fairly well.
          >It is, because until you get to looney tunes levels of expansion...
          Where did I ever say effect on target was significantly different? I say picrel expansion doesn't equate to 'a little extra'. I talking about the DIAMETER, not what that means in terms of immediate incapacitation.

          My point is that if you control for less ammunition due to less practice being needed, you get better results overall since 300 blk is a superior round. It's really not a hard point to understand but you have to make shit up because you're a moron.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I never said more practice isn't better. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can tell that you obviously pulled this strawman out of your ass.
            >The purpose of the weapon isn't to expend ammo. You don't need a lot of practice to become proficient shooting subsonic 300 blk or 9mm ammo out of a long gun, so the justification for doubling how much you can shoot is moot
            You directly stated it.
            >shooting someone center mass in self defense ranges with a red dot on an AR isn't difficult
            These are subsonic rounds, not supersonic rifle rounds. The only way to reliably get good effect on target is hitting the CNS. This takes moderate to significant amounts of regular practice to do quickly and reliably under stress with time constraints against a moving target.
            >I say picrel expansion doesn't equate to 'a little extra'.
            It is an increase of meaningless value, hence my usage of the term "little". Perhaps I could have worded that better.

            You're a disingenuous pedant here to argue in circles, I doubt that you own firearms let alone practice regularly enough to getgud, people like you aren't worth speaking to.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You directly stated it.
              The text you quoted never says that, not directly or indirectly. Becoming proficient doesn't mean that more practice won't make you better. If you believe this, you're literally double digit IQ.
              >These are subsonic rounds...
              You have no idea what you're talking about because major blood vessels and the heart also cause rapid incapacitation, not just CNS, hence why we use 'center mass', not spine when referring to where you should aim. I can tell you're referring to competition shooting when you mention 'practice' because we all know there's time constraints in a home invasion, lol. I'm going to safely assume you know next to nothing about this topic and move on.
              >Perhaps I could have worded that better.
              Given that you were referring to the physical diameter, and not what effect it has, I'd agree.

              >getgud
              motherfricker, this was my whole point about proficiency. How tf can you not understand when I say it, but your meme word makes sense to you. actual moron.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PCCs are for people who shoot indoors. They are far easier to handle inside small areas, which is where these guns excel. The SBRs on the other hand are more about having a compact rifle you can still use at a distance but is handier in cramped conditions. PCCs are great for urban or police use while SBRs would be better as a backpacking gun or a trench clearing gun. Both serve niche purposes and for larping purposes both are inferior to a general purpose length rifle that can do CQB in a pinch but still has fantastic ballistic performance. People squabbling over who has the biggest peepee because they went rifle or pistol caliber in their range toy are frag bait.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pistols are for people who shoot indoors*
      PCCs are for people who are moronic, and then austicically freak out online with pointless claims to cope with their buyers remorse.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cheap to shoot
    >takes the mags I already have
    >can fold up smaller than a .300 in a few cases
    >is easy to swap between my CCW and a carbine
    >Can be quieter than a .300
    >I'm not SF and neither are you so having a dedicated 5.56 and a dedicated PPC makes a lot of sense to do
    >I can leave my cheap as frick Sub2K in my car while I'm out and about and if it gets stolen I can buy another one without too much of a financial burden

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it's delayed blowback then it is stupid fun to shoot.
    If it's an MP5 it looks cool as shit.
    If it's an MP5 you get to slap the charging handle.
    Ammo is cheaper.
    They're great if you want to shove it into a backpack.
    Other than all that, I'd rather go with .300 blackout, or even just a short Boi AR.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    sage

    300 is for niche missions, and longer ranges. They appeal to a more discerning user....

    most PCC users have no intention of shooting past 50 yards...

    economy and availability play a role in their huge popularity.

    also PCC's are the SUV's of these categories....every manufacturer makes them since they were derived off SMG's of the 80's.

    300. blk you only have a few making them in pistol form.... BCM, PSA, Sig, probably missed a few but you get the gist.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine this in 9x25, slinging a 100gr JHP at ~2k fps.
    This is something you can actually do, right now, with a brace, assuming you can load your own rounds.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >omg look how good this [STOCK IMAGE] is!!1!!1!1!
      why don't you post yours? that'd be more evidence of how good you think it is.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is a magnifier and eotech stupid for a mp5? Or jus stick with eotech solely?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I threw a 1-6 lvpo on mine for shits and giggles. Actually fun to shoot.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Niice, I know 9mm isn't something that has lots of trajectory, but I figure a 3x magnifier would be beneficial

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not sure how much energy is left, but I've hit targets at 300 yards with it. Even if energy is jack crap at that point, still just fun to shoot. Now I have a Sig Romeo 5 on it, put the Sig 1-6 on my Aero AR10.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not sure how much energy is left, but I've hit targets at 300 yards with it. Even if energy is jack crap at that point, still just fun to shoot. Now I have a Sig Romeo 5 on it, put the Sig 1-6 on my Aero AR10.

          Also to add, yes, it would be beneficial for 100yard sub. The Irons are great and stupid accurate, I like how more quick I am on target for follow up.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only people who ask stupid shit like this have not ever owned a gun chambered in .300
    >t. knower

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      seriously, subs are starting out at 65 cents and supers are still literally twice the cost of 9mm, like how is this hard for some people to grasp? my .300 AR SBR is fun as shit but I sure as shit don't shoot it that much because the ammo is a kick in the dick. worse still I don't even save that much by reloading these days.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only pure autists "don't understand" PCCs. Like 100% unbridled spectrum if you're somehow confused about basically a handgun with benefits...cheap ammo, minimal recoil, minimal penetration, cheap to buy, etc.

    Do they have military applications? Probably not. Truck gun alternative? Nah. Easier to conceal? No way.

    They are literally just "I already have a pistol next to my bed, but I want to maximize my advantage against someone breaking into my house." Full stop. No further explanation needed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Only pure autists "don't understand" PCCs
      Not even that I'm pretty sure it's just willful moronation and/or shitposting at this point. We've been in the era of $0.40+ .223/7.62x39 for years now, if you're actually not able to grasp why shooting for half that cost is appealing then you're just pretending to be like that because you're bored and want (you)s or you're just actually fricking dumb.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"Only pure autists "don't understand" PCCs."
      >"cheap to buy"
      A PCC will be cheaper than a SBR but it won't be cheaper than using the handgun you already own which has a negligible difference in ballistics. At that point, you might as well keep using the pistol.

      >""I already have a pistol next to my bed, but I want to...
      ... spend money on something with pretty much the same performance. Okay bud, you do you.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just as good

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want one

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to make an actually attempt to answer this. Yes, as seemingly all of /k/ has pointed, 9 mm is in fact cheaper than 300 blk. However, I assume you are asking this from a personal defense or military perspective, in which case ppc starts to matter less. And the answer is yes, a 300 blk AR pistol does everything a PPC does but better, except for ppc. Lethality, range, compactness (if you use a folding stock rifle), maintenance (maybe better because you can use your AR equipment), supressability if you use subsonic 300 blk, the list goes on. If ammo price is that much of a concern to you, you can get a cheap PSA upper and train with 300 blk:5.56 at a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio.

    > what if I am poor
    PSA sells an 8.5" 300 blk AR pistol for $500. The hi-point 995 carbine, the absolute most down bad you can be for a PPC, is $290 on Brownells. The Sub2000 is also $500. Something like the Ruger PC line is $780, which could get you a PSA 300 blk AR pistol, 2 mags of defensive ammo, an IFAK, and a Holosun reflex sight. If you can afford a $500 gun, then 300 blk is right for you if the purpose is to a PPC. If you can't even afford a $500 gun, a pistol may be a better option due to it's versatility as a CCW. So

    So in summary hi-point 995 ($280) < handgun ($500) < PCC ($500+) < 300 blk ($500+)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol what about a Hipoint carbine in .380 to pair with a PPK/S and one of those aftermarket stocks to dress it up like a Beretta Storm

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its fun to fantasize about stopping mass shootings

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not retreating immediately
      Frick them kids

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get a quality chassis so you can use your existing handgun to fill this role if you really need to, otherwise no reason to get a PCC when a compact 300 Blackout like a Rattler exists. If you can't afford to shoot/reload you probably don't need a frivolous purchase like a backpack guns.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is cope because YOU don't have an MP5. Spend the money upfront and enjoy years of mag dumping cheap 9mm for a joyful life. 300blackedout is irrelevant

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >shitty PCC with rollers that destroys its own receiver
        Lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want a PCC period because it has very little use case and if I'm carrying something of this size I want it to not be a pistol caliber. Even if I did I still wouldn't want an MP5. My suggestion of getting a chassis is because if they can't afford to feed a .300 blackout rifle they probably can't afford the upfront cost of a sub gun, let alone an HK.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I spent over 2k on my mp5 because its a great gun that shoots cheap ammo that I already shoot through many guns plus can fit into very small bags. I already stack 556 and 9mm by the thousands adding a 3rd type of ammo id need to stack high and carry makes no sense to me. If the threat level is high 556 if the threat is low 9mm will suffice. Chassis pistols are not as good as an MP5 but cover a similar itch for a lot less. It has nothing to do with being able to afford 300memeout

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >chassis
      lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The flux raider is actually 100% zased

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          which is why you have one, right?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was peer pressured into getting one and turns out theyre great

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is none, even without 300blk.
    It's the worst aspects of a pistol, mixed with the worst aspects of a rifle, purely moronic idea.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all these noguns complaining a out hearing damage from shooting 1-3 rounds in a hypothetical HD scenario when people shoot thousands of rounds with hunting rifles and shotguns with no earpro and receive 0 hearing damage

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PCCs are amazing, they are for people who are:
    afraid of 5.56 recoil (although 90% of 9mm PCCs have more recoil than 5.56)
    And
    Can't hit a 6" circle at 3 yards with a handgun.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can get ad money off of some no-name pcc maker

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cheaper ammo
    >lower recoil
    >quieter (when comparing supers vs supers and subs vs subs)
    >subsonic ammo is more widely available (assumes 9mm or .45)
    >same size or smaller footprint
    >can pair it with a handgun in same caliber if you like

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got one in 9mm for my wife, she's small so it seems reasonable

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Vz.61 sbr
    >Mp5 sbr
    They're fun as shit lol

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have companies given up on trying to get rifle-like performance out a compact light-ish SMG/PCC?
    seems like the 300blk is just doubling down on pistol-like performance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      8.6 blackout is the new hottness 300 blackout is kill

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No its not lol everyone remember the 'super fast twist buzzsaw effect' is fuddlore

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    smaller, generally lighter, cheaper, easier to suppress (well) generally

    they're also fun

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