I'm assembling a 5.56 AR-15 for shooting out to 600-800 yards. I'm torn between the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 FFP and the Bushnell Illuminated Match Pro 6-24X50. Both are:
>High magnification
>first focal plane
>Mil dot/ christmas tree reticle
>clicky knobs
But the Bushnell is $100 less than the Vortex while also providing an illuminated reticle. Reviews say the Bushnell's glass is good and it's well made. Is there any reason to get the Vortex over the Bushnell? I can get the Vortex at 40% off but I want an illuminated reticle.
Links:
https://www.bushnell.com/scopes/view-all-riflescopes/match-pro-6-24x50-riflescope/P2178035.html
https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-diamondback-tactical-4-16x44-ffp-riflescope+reticle-EBR-2C~MOA
EPL-4 4-16x44 FFP
or the 6-24 if you need a stupid tree
>https://www.arkenopticsusa.com/epl-4-6-24x50-ffp-illuminated-reticle-with-zero-stop-30mm-tube
I really like the 4-16. I prefer a less cluttered reticle so I'd rather have the standard reticle. MIL or MOA?
Also, what makes the Arken better than the Bushnell or the Vortex?
>Also, what makes the Arken better than the Bushnell or the Vortex?
Its giving good value/good turrets, kind of what Vortex was before it got expensiv. Use the code REX to press down the price and you got something to use. Might watch the early (pre-bigabased) vids of Rex to learn a bit about LRP.
Imagine being enough of a retard to shill for both Arken, AND that dumbass Rex.
OP, make your poverty dollars go further by buying a used Athlon Ares ETR for about $500. It will absolutely shit on the Vortex and Bushnell, and not have the dog water QC of the Arken.
>AND that dumbass Rex
REX got to /k/ for /k/, i like him anyway since years
His Sniper 101 videos are overly verbose and not particularly helpful for people wanting to get into long range shooting. Then there's the shit show that is Rex Defense training classes, of which he has no credentials or experience to be teaching. I have no idea of his politics or ideas, nor do I care, I am just saying he's a woefully poor resource for long range shooters.
The difference being that Athlon will actually support the customer and resolve issues if they arise. An EP5 I was testing was tracking with 92% accuracy and when I reached out to Arken I heard crickets in response. Sold it to another Just As Good™ believer and moved on with my life. Hope the affiliate link works out in your favor, though.
>athlon
Shills another poverty scope. You're worse.
>poverty
It is >2x the price of OP's initial consideration s.
Depends what your used to but if your asking then go mil
If your shooting that far your going to be shooting expensive 75-77gr ammo. If you can shell out for that I wouldn’t skimp on the glass. Your requirements for a scope are what I’d be going for. I did not like the vortex diamondback i got to try. I have no experience with the bushnell. If you could shell out for a meopta or something a bit better I would
This. Op failed before he started. Need a spotter too becauae at 6 to 800 he aint seeing shit as far as where the wind is pushing his rounds to
why do people always insist spotters are necessary even to this day?
we've had off-the-shelf wireless remote camera setups for two decades and they are cheaper and better than ever
you even get playback. spotters miss shots, recordings don't
Yeah, shooting 77's is the plan. Thanks for the good, well-rounded advice.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'm going to look into them after work.
Thank you. I've been shooting open sights/unmagnified for long enough to forget about the finer things.
I'll look into Athlon.
Thank you for the reply, I hope this thread is still around by then, and I hope you like the scope. The numbers being on the inside of the tree is strange, it makes me wonder if the tree is secondary to another reticle and they kept the same tooling/patterns/however that part of the manufacturing process works. And it seems like Arken is pretty popular.
Why is that too much magnification? I could see it being retarded to pay more for higher magnification that one won't use, but if given the choice between a $400 scope that's 3-9x and a $400 scope that's 4-12 (to be used for bench shooting past 100 yards), I can't think of a reason not to get the one with higher magnification and just use less of it.
>And it seems like Arken is pretty popular.
they got a lot of flak for seemingly doing some shady marketing stuff, but in the low end of price range, from what i have been able to discern, they are fine. Has a lot of the features you'd want from a long range scope and, from what I have been able to tell from footage, personal recommendations, and reading people talking about them, the glass is good enough.
Neither.
I agree with on the cost of things and choosing quality.
Niteforce NX8 2-20 MRAD FFP and a Red Dot.will give you everything you need for 600-800 Yards with 77gr Match Ammo.
I went with a LPVO (Rzr Gen 3 1-10 MRAD) on my 16" and my 18" has a Niteforce 2.5-20 FFP NX8 on it. Great scope and they both shoot well.
>800 yards
Why not get a 7.62mm or .30-06 or something?
or 6.5
I'm getting a match pro ED tomorrow (the tier above the standard match pro), if this thread is still around I'll let you know how I like it. I tried out the diamondback in a cabela's but honestly its pretty hard to compare glass quality in that environment. I will say I liked how the reticle looked to my eye, very usable at both low and high magnification. for some reason though they both have the mil/moa numbers on the inside of the tree instead of on the outside like on their other scopes, pic related. maybe there is a good reason for this but if tthere is i am unaware
by the way the match pro is 320 on eurooptic instead of 400, and vortex overinflates prices on their website. the DB tac is like 400 and at cabela's you get a 15% off all vortex products.
overall I would say invest a little more in the glass than the bare minimum of viable, but at that price range I would probably get a diamondback, especially considering their warranty seems to be better than bushnell's. Or maybe an arken, especially considering they're all 25% off right now.
>-25%
>ARKEN EP-5 for <400$
Thats a word
>vortex overinflates prices on their website
It’s called MSRP and what it actually sells for in stores is called “street price.” Think of it like sticker price on a car. You’re pretty much always gonna walk away paying less than what the dealer lists it at.
i know, but from what I have seen, vortex's MSRP vs street price is usually a bigger difference than other brands.
update on Match Pro ED: First impressions are that I love it.I'm not gonna get a chance to shoot it for a few days, but just looking through it, the glass is way nicer than the athlon which i had (which is to be expected for a 700 dollar vs 300 dollar scope. I was worried the reticle would be too thin on 5x, but its actually really usable even when looking at stuff like dark foliage and in shadow, even without the magnification on. On low magnifications the subtensions blur together a little bit, but at around 10-20x they're fine, and I have shitty eyes so take that as you will. Maybe I'll change my mind once i actually get to shooting it but for my purposes I'm very happy with it so far
Waaaay too much scope. 10x or 12x at the most for an AR in 5.56. Stretching 5.56 out to 800 is kinda retarded, like other anons said step up to a big boy caliber that won't get bullied by wind.
Don't listen to this tard.
If you want to shoot precison, 4-16 minimum. Never have I ever been like FUCK, my 5-25 has too much zoom! But I have always been like Damn, I wish I could see a bit more with my 1-8
I think 3-18x might be optimal these days. Getting things in your fov and tracking can be tricky with the low end magnification being too high. Also, if you're doing ffp sometimes you want to choose a magnification that gives you the best looking reticle at your most commonly used magnification.
>this post
you're not building anything
if you want to role play with fantasy stories go to /soc/
Unless you're going with a 24"+ barrel, attempting to shoot that far accurately is just going to be a waste of time and money. People shooting that far with 5.56 are not usually doing it with ARs or standard loadings either. Go big or go home anon, or get ready to spend a shitton of money in an attempt to transform a general workhorse into a racing thoroughbred that can't do anything else well.
I wouldn't buy the diamondback tactical at a $250 price point. Turrets aren't good and the glass quality isn't great (particularly in low light). I hear it tracks well, but so do a dozen cheaper scopes. Match pro is good for chinesium. People like the arken, but it's a bit of a brick. Tbh, for the money I really liked the crimson trace Hardline scopes, though they don't get much fanfare. I thought the glass punched past its weight class. They have some ffp illuminated models. Anything element optics puts out is pretty good, they also have a yt page where they're pretty open about their optical engineering, which I respect. If you're wanting to go slightly more expensive, I feel like meopta is hard to beat in the mid range especially factoring in European manufacture. Illumination is only useful if you shoot low light imo, so prioritize glass over illumination if you're trying to hit a price point because that helps you in all conditions.
>People like the arken, but it's a bit of a brick
some of them are but the epl-4 is lighter weight. seems to be very similar otherwise aside from the smaller objective and tube
Do zoom zooms really feel like they NEED something absurd like 24x magnification to shoot out to 600-800 yards?
Conventional wisdom is 1x magnification per 100 yards of shooting, those old 3-9 scopes were designed to go out to 900 yards
depends on how small the target you are shooting is
Sure but I think for the most part on /k/ we're talking about human sized targets
yea it's dumb as fuck, you can shoot with a red dot out to 200 easily, I have shit eyesight with like 20 60 in each eye and it's easy. If you have 20 10 eagle eye vision shooting inside of 200 with a 1x dot should be cake. aim small miss small.
I got the stig pretty bad but have no problem shooting man sized targets out to 500 yards with irons. Idk what zoomies and boomers issues are with needing muh 24x
>i dont mind shooting at brown blobs
>target identification is stupid
>if i call people young, i can hid my ignorance as wisdom
you spend $400 bucks on a high power scope you ain't gonna make out shit from that dogshit glass lmao
>I'm assembling a 5.56 AR-15 for shooting out to 600-800 yards.
why?
Diamondback Tacticals are some one the worst mainstream scopes available, and the Bushnell's aren't suited for anything resembling hard use away from a bench, just get an SWFA 3-9/6x/10x/3-15 during their black friday sale.
>5.56 at 800 yards
>I'm assembling a 5.56 AR-15 for shooting out to 600-800 yards.
>600-800 yards
so you don't actually know what you're talking about
What's PSA's competitor?
>I'm assembling a 5.56 AR-15 for shooting out to 600-800 yards.
That's retarded.
my first question would be why are you using 5.56 to shoot out to 800? it's a 600 yards effective cartridge unless you're using mk262 with a mk12 or something. My next question would be why are you looking at cheap ass Chink optics if you're trying to see out to that far?
>5.56
>800 yards
Obvious troll thread.
>retards itt can't comprehend longrange chads doing something other than magdumping at 25yds
The old R700 for Iraq had a fixed 10x for 7.62. For a DMR build in 5.56 -6.5CM a 6-24 is kind of bulky and overkill. A lighter 4-14x44 might be a better option to prevent look7ng like Bubba
OP here. I'm torn between these two:
>Arken EPL-4 4-16x44 FFP
>Primary Arms SLX 4-14x44
Both have:
>Good reticle
>Magnification in the range I want
>FFP
>Illuminated reticle
>Zero stop
Slight differences in where the reticle is illuminated. Between the two, which should I choose? Also, what mount? I'd be open to a 3-9 but I'm not finding any that offer FFP and illumination.
Links:
https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44mm-riflescope-mil-dot-pa4-14xffp
https://www.arkenopticsusa.com/epl-4-4-16x44-ffp-illuminated-reticle-with-zero-stop-30mm-tube
EP5 with -25% off, even at full price
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